Mackeyser wrote:

If he has his head on right and is ready to be that #1 guy, he’s got everything physical to BE that #1 from day one.

For me, its purely about the injury thing, with Britt. If he can stay healthy,
I think he’ll be a ‘solid’ veteran WR (Glory Hallelujah).

But I’m skeptical he can stay healthy.

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zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
Well, i’m not even sure i would agree that there is one
category we could call ‘running QB.’

Ya know. There’s Staubach. And Kaepernik. And Tarkenton.
And Russell Wilson. And Steve Young. And Montana. And Rothlisberger.
And Cam Newton. And Randall Cunningham. Troy Aikman. And RG3. And even Andrew Luck.

I’m not sure, but i think there are different categories QBs in that group.

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Well, when you get down into the details…that’s true. But I’m fine for now with the simple difference in 2 categories.

I think it’s roughly true that there’s a style of qb who uses his legs as a part of his game–to run or to scramble or to both–and then pocket passers who have varying degrees of lesser mobility.

So for example Bradford is more mobile than Warner but as long as I’m relying on rough categories, I put them both on the “pure pocket passer” side.

So Bradford v. Newton in its own different way amounts to the same as Warner v. McNair.

Then i think its only fair if i bring in other positions. For example
i would argue that “Running RBs” get tackled less
than stationary pocket RBs.

Think about that algebra, right there.

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Mackeyser wrote:

Just wanted to let everyone know that I’m still here. Been having a pretty bad string of migraines lately which are unlikely to abate since my Botox appt was rescheduled from July 15th to August 27th because my neuro doc is in India tending to sick parents. Trying to get back online, but… Well, I’ll be back very soon. Just didn’t want anyone to think I’d fallen in the deep end. Be well, stay positive and Go Rams!!!

IF you are not back soon,
I ‘will’ blow up this board
and reroute it to
The Emily Dickenson Forum.
Just so you know.

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Well for me, the statement “running qbs get sacked more” is perplexing.
I’m not sure what that ‘means’ to you.

I mean, would Roger Staubach have been a better QB
if he had stayed in the pocket all the time?
Would Elway or Steve Young have been better
without running ability? Would Russell Wilson be
better if he had no running ability?
Would Rothlisberger be more or less
dangerous if he had no running ability?

Obviously the ability to run is a ‘good thing’.

So, I’m not sure what your meta-point is here.

Steve Young, John Elway, Joe Montana,
Ben Rothlisberger, Roger Staubach…Ya know.
There’s running-quarterbacks, and there’s
running quarterbacks.

Some of the Running-QBs are just bad QBs.

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zn wrote:

I would disgree, but maybe not in the way you expect. First, yeah Softli was emphatic about Wilson very early on and called it perfectly.

BUT IMO you could put up to a dozen and a half qbs on that team, have them run the same offense, and they would do as well or better.

So I think you over-value him…but just by a bit. I am not in the “Wilson suxx” camp.

It’s like I said though. Put Luck on the Seahawks and they are a freaking dynasty, NOW. Put Wilson on the Colts and both he and they struggle a lot more than they did. Obviously that’s just an opinion, but I like putting it that way.

Who are the many other qbs, who in my mind could qb the 2013 Seahawks with the same results or better? (“Better” probably just meaning they pass more and so the passing attack is a bigger part of their game.)

Alphabetical order –>

Bradford
Brady
Brees
Cutler
Flacco
Foles
Griffen3
Kaepernick
Luck
Manning, E
Manning, P
McNown
Newton
Palmer
Rivers
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Romo
Ryan
Smith, Alex
Stafford

..

Yeah, i value him more highly than you.

I remember how he played in that playoff game against Washington
when they were behind. He really impressed me, leading that team from behind in a playoff game.

I think you just dont like little hobbit quarterbacks.

This video supports your argument, not mine btw. But i still thot it was interesting,
how in those huge blowouts RW completed only 7 passes, etc:

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What was Wilson’s QB rating the last
two years? Just curious.

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rfl wrote:

Guys, the Rams Addiction lads raised an interesting question. What players do we hope/expect to emerge as special this year–O and D?

How about defense?

My pick is ‘Tree.

I think Robert Quinn will finally
break out of his slump and have
a big year.

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zn wrote:

RFIP

Quick was in the photo I posted yesterday along with Kendrick’s, tavon, sted and harkey. No Britt or Pettis, at least in the photo.

Harkey. I forgot all about Harkey. That guy is one of my favorite players
and i forgot all about him.

Last season it seemed like everytime i watched NFL Rewind Harkey was
blowing someone up, or making a solid block or catching the ball.
The guy reminded me of all those great role players the 99 team had.

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• This reply was modified 10 years, 6 months ago by wv.

rfl wrote:

Good points, guys. I think there is a good overview here of team assets.

I don’t see too much discussion of the opposition, though. I do expect us to be better this year. But better might nevertheless lose ground.

I guess I’d boil it down to this. I expect us to improve by, say, 2, maybe 3 degrees this year. To post a winning record and/or make the the playoffs, however, we may need to improve by 4 or 5 degrees. It’s a steep up-slope.

Well, we’ll see.

Well as tough as the division is, its still just six games. And three of the six in St.Louis.
Ten non-division games.

I just think the Rams are gonna be a handful at home.

I also expect either SF or Seattle to have some rough-sailing this year.
I mean how often have we seen Super Bowl teams come down to earth
the next year.

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I am not on the Bennie Cunningham bandwagon myself.
On a good team, i think a guy like BC should be the third RB.
And thats what i expect this year. Stacy, Tre, BC.

If the coaching staff agreed that BC was ‘special’ then
they wouldn’t have drafted Tre. Right?
RBs arent that hard to evaluate, so
i would think they know what they are doing.

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InvaderRam wrote:

i agree with wv. the offensive and defensive lines will be the bread and butter for this team. much like the secondary is for seattle. i think that alone is enough to get them to 8 wins.

how much of an impact can gregg williams make? especially on the secondary.

how much of an improvement can the wide receivers make?

can bradford stay healthy the whole season?

answers to those three questions will determine how much better than 0.500 the rams can get.

I think your new fierce-crazed-avatar
looks like its been around Greg Williams all summer.
I’m guessing that avatar is worth at least one more win.

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