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  • September 15, 2014 at 12:57 pm in reply to: Our defense is a fraud. #7407
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    Well, I’ve only watched one half of Rams football so far.
    I’ll watch the tampa game tonight or 2morrow. So,
    I dont have much to go on, yet. In the one half
    i watched, I thought the D looked fine.

    I will say this though — Seattle gave up
    over 30 to the Chargers and lost.
    It could be that the new rule-enforcement about prohibiting
    DBs from touching WR’s is going to change the notion
    of what “good defense” looks like. I dunno.
    Would that affect run defense too? Maybe.

    Dallas will be a great test of the new “Third-year-Defense.”
    I am really looking forward to seeing how they play.
    Last year’s Dallas game was an unmitigated disaster for Jake Long
    and the Oline and the Defense.

    I’m just gonna be quiet until i see game three,
    for Fisher’s year-three-team, using its
    third-string-QB.

    Btw, didnt Laurinaitis have a TD
    called back in the Tampa game?
    Did i read that somewhere?
    Cuz that kinda play is a game-changer
    on D.
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    September 15, 2014 at 7:51 am in reply to: Constitutional Amendment news #7361
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    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/09/12/senate-kills-citizens-united-reform

    September 13, 2014 at 10:10 am in reply to: SF Niners play-by-play guy suspended for 2 games for Rice comments….. #7083
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    InvaderRam wrote:

    well i think the issue is too complex to boil it down to the experience of one person.

    but i do get the point that it can happen even to a well educated and financially independent person.

    But why does that matter? Why does it matter that
    “it can even happen to well educated and financially independent persons” ?
    I mean, are they more valuable than just
    regular-ole-persons ?

    Think about how it sounds when a Ted-talking-Ivy-Leaguer
    says that. …i guess i’m just picturing the reaction to that
    comment, if she had said it to a room full of poor-people…

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    September 13, 2014 at 10:06 am in reply to: Keith Olbermann: Goodell's Non-Independent Independent Investigation #7081
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    Well, despite all the
    totally-usual-and-predictable corporate-conduct,
    I think some good things will come out
    of all this.

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    September 13, 2014 at 9:55 am in reply to: Rams Docked A Sack #7079
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    As long as teams can complete
    short passes the Rams aint gonna
    get many sacks.
    I dunno what the answer is to that.

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    September 12, 2014 at 3:52 pm in reply to: SF Niners play-by-play guy suspended for 2 games for Rice comments….. #7019
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    GRITS… I would implore you and everyone to watch this. The comments by that announcer calling Janay Palmer still marrying Ray Rice as pathetic…twice… were outrageous. This is that TEDtalk and it’s about the most accessible way I can think to get guys to understand about domestic violence, especially *why victims of domestic violence stay*. When invoking any amendment, especially the 1st amendment, we must remember that no right is absolute and that context matters. I believe the apology of the announcer who understands that words matter and how his role is one that represents an organization, thus on air, he’s representing an organization.

    Free speech is important. It also doesn’t happen in a vacuum. And the reactions and over-reactions in the public sphere to some incidents can be tiresome. I get that.

    However, for issues which have been grossly, grossly underrepresented in the national conversation for…ever, it’s important to allow all reactions including what some consider to be over-reactions to be part of the conversation because these issues like race and domestic violence are like the desert and each voice is like a droplet of water. In such an arid climate, we need every drop. Each is important. As well, once the conversation begins, it’s important to understand that if we do learn, the very nature of the conversation will change us and inform us that certain parts of the conversation are no longer appropriate. Language matters. Thus while we’ve seen *some* progress in the conversation on race since the 50s, there’s been very little progress since then about domestic violence. We barely have the language constructs to describe it. We still blame victims in so many instances. I’ll just leave it at this: once we learn what we don’t know (like what’s talked about on the video), it both opens up new language and makes other language inappropriate.

    Also… funny (meaning strange in a dubious manner). The play-by-play guy got 2 games for comments about Ray Rice, but Ray McDonald is STILL PLAYING.

    Well, personally, I had to stop watching,
    once she mentioned her Ivy League degree
    for the fourth time.
    The message seemed to be:
    “Hey, this should matter because
    it even happens to rich wasps…”

    I must be a curmudgeon
    today.

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    September 12, 2014 at 2:56 pm in reply to: do you think they can win in Tampa? #7018
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    If Hill is playing Hurt, no,
    I dont think they can win.

    If Davis is playing, no,
    I think they get blown out.

    The good thing is, I’m always
    wrong.

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    September 12, 2014 at 2:51 pm in reply to: One take on the DEs including Long #7017
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    I dunno. I guess we are gonna find out
    what the Dline is like without Long.

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    September 12, 2014 at 9:43 am in reply to: SF Niners play-by-play guy suspended for 2 games for Rice comments….. #7003
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    WV, the same reason as any broadcasting company would suspend him currently because they do not want to deal with the backlash of those who would demand his job and those who would protest the company and they do not want to seem insensitive to the victims rights.
    My point WV, is it seems we’ve become a society where if somebody utters something insensitive or stupid as human beings do every once in a while that we immediately call for them to be punished. Can we not simply disagree with him rather to extract a pound of flesh? People say stupid things. Even broadcasters as we have seen over the years.

    Well…theze are strange times, Grits.

    Who’s your alltime favorite Ram, btw?

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    September 12, 2014 at 8:23 am in reply to: Phillip Rivers plans to attack Richard Sherman's side of the field on Sunday #6997
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    “Well, I certainly understand why,” Rivers said of Rodgers’ plan. “[Sherman] is a great corner. But at the same time, I think you have to be smart. It’s not one of the deals that you want to go after him by any means. But our approach is not going to be to completely eliminate [Sherman] and not throw over there any.”

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    September 12, 2014 at 8:21 am in reply to: SF Niners play-by-play guy suspended for 2 games for Rice comments….. #6996
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    Nobody has a right to an opinion any longer. Sad. So you don’t like what Robinson said and that is fine. I do not know what to think about the Ray Rice situation other than it was wrong of him to hit his girl friend. Violence against women should not be condoned. Violence against men should not be condoned either.

    But, are we not violating our own constitutional rights of freedom of thought and speech when we demand someone be punished for expressing an opinion? I don’t know. I’m beginning to think free speech is a lie.

    Grits

    Well, why do you think the Corporation
    he worked for suspended him ?

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    September 11, 2014 at 5:20 pm in reply to: Could the Rams Have the Top Pick in 2015? #6965
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    Well, wv-ram is not ready
    to ‘go there’ just yet.

    IF Hill comes back, I think they
    can still be competitive in
    almost all their games.

    Losing Long hurts, but
    they ‘are’ deep on the Dline.

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    September 11, 2014 at 5:16 pm in reply to: SF Niners play-by-play guy suspended for 2 games for Rice comments….. #6963
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    Well, its all complicated aint it — the media, the sports league,
    the money, the advertising dollars, the various views on Violence
    and men, and women, and blame, etc. Lots of contested ideological-terrain.
    It oughta lead to some good and bad conversation over the air-waves.

    All them there clashing ideas
    might lead to some learnin,
    and change, and growth.

    Btw, to state the obvious,
    sometimes Victims stay with Abusers
    because of all kinds of complex psychological
    reasons. And sometimes they stay for…
    the Money. Either way, they are still
    victims of domestic (and perhaps economic) abuse.

    Alrighty then,
    I’m done here.
    Go Rams.

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    September 11, 2014 at 5:05 pm in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6962
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    Well, IR, I’m not going to stand outside of his house and pelt him with rotten tomatoes.

    But, I’m also absolutely NOT going to soften nor allow discussions to soften the language about him. He’s not anything other than currently a batterer UNTIL something changes.

    Do we know he’s stopped hitting Janay Rice? Has anyone in the media given a shit about her? Do we even know in all of this now that they’re married, does she even have her own cell phone?

    The first step in domestic violence is isolation. Does she still have access to family?

    I am not trying to swing the pendulum from “Good Guy” to “Demon”, BUT… I’m sure as hell not letting the pendulum go, either and neither is Ray, apparently.

    My point is this. If Ray Rice is going to continue to push the pendulum toward the bad side, then we should F’N PAY ATTENTION before his wife ends up dead. You know… like Jovan Belcher, formerly of the KC Chiefs…. killed his girlfriend, then went to the stadium and killed himself in front of team personnel.

    People want to act as if this story is over.

    Anyone who pays attention to domestic violence stories knows that this is just Chapter ONE. If you haven’t watched that video I posted, really watch it. It’s just unbelievably enlightening.

    Bottom line is that because Ray Rice has not shown any contrition… Janay Rice IS NOT SAFE. And THAT is more than enough reason to keep talking about this.

    Well, usually, if there is a ‘pretrial diversion’ (think of it, essentially as ‘probation’)
    there are conditions attached, such as counseling and psych evals, etc.
    (though, in WV you cant get do a ‘pretrial diversion’ in a
    case involving domestic violence).

    So, fwiw, Rice probably has to undergo some counseling. Fwiw.

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    September 11, 2014 at 2:42 pm in reply to: PFF Performances of Note Vikes Game #6949
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    Dak wrote:

    Wells is a big disappointment. He’s got to get better, or someone has to replace him and do better.

    Donald looks exactly like the guy the Rams expected him to be.

    I think we all thought the Rams OLine would
    be strong in the middle with
    Greg R, Wells, Saffold.

    One game doesnt tell the story,
    but they certainly didnt look strong
    in game one.

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    September 11, 2014 at 2:36 pm in reply to: Rice video was sent to NFL #6947
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    Dak wrote:

    Good points on the unauthorized law enforcement angle.

    But, it doesn’t explain away whispers from NFL officials to reporters that they did indeed see the video and then made it seem like the video would show people that Janae also deserved blame and why it was only a 2-game suspension.

    Something more happened behind the scenes, methinks.

    No matter what happens, there is a lynch mob mentality toward the NFL office. They better come out and actually address reporters’ questions. A quote here and there doesn’t suffice at this point.

    The ‘unauthorized sending’ issue aside,
    I just dont think Goodell had the
    experience to deal with domestic-violence issues
    and apparently he didnt have the inclination to learn
    about the issues.

    NOW, of course (due to the backlash) he has the
    inclination to learn about the issue. Which,
    in the end, is a good thing.

    Goodell knows about money and PR — and this was/is a
    PR nightmare. So he will educate himself
    on these issues.

    I hope the colleges are paying attention
    to all this.

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    September 11, 2014 at 7:43 am in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6919
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    As for Ray Rice…IF he actually gets to the point of contrition, I’ll be open to hearing it. If you listen to that press conference where he tells Janay Palmer Rice to apologize for “her role in the incident” by saying, “don’t you have something to say?” as if, “look, you. This is part YOUR fault.”

    That to me SCREAMS that Ray Rice is still a full on abuser and is having ZERO part of any rehabilitation.

    Now that he’s suspended, I’m QUITE sure he blames her…whether it’s because she couldn’t take a punch or “fell wrong” so she “got herself knocked out on the railing” or… well, you name it.

    Let’s be clear. I’m all for second chances…for the contrite.

    So, until and unless Ray Rice truly comes to grips with what he did, takes responsibility for it IN AT LEAST AS PUBLIC A WAY AS HE ASKED JANAY TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER BEATING, then I hope he’s NOT let off the hook, that people do NOT let him move on and that he’s constantly reminded that he IS a batterer.

    Why? Because…he’s not going to change until he’s going to change. And at this time, he’s shown exactly zero signs that he cares to change.

    I mean, really. Putting his wife out front to apologize to the world for putting her face too quickly in front of his fist and not being able to retain consciousness when her head slammed into the rail?

    Nope. Too often in this fast food nation we want everything quick, even if it isn’t done which lets people off the hook if they’ll only just stand still long enough to let everyone’s attention drift to something else (which only takes a few minutes usually these days). Well, Ray Rice can turn to stone and I’ll still see him as a batterer until HE changes. I don’t need his victims to apologize. I don’t need other shit to happen in the universe to distract me.

    Where’s his pain? Where’s his angst? Where’s his difficult journey? Anyone see Ray Rice walking that road? I sure as hell don’t.

    The day he’s contrite and actually gives a shit about change, then and only then, will *I* give a shit about Ray Rice getting a chance to move on.

    Oh, and since domestic violence is epidemic in this country and desperately needs TONS more discussion… I’m perfectly content to let Ray Rice continue to be the poster boy for it as long as he…well, I was going to say faking his contrition, but he’s not even trying to do that. So, as long as he’s a proud batterer, he can be plenty out front afaic.

    Why is ANYONE concerned about Ray Rice getting the chance to move on so quickly, anyway?

    Yeah, i agree with all that.

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    September 10, 2014 at 6:32 pm in reply to: Bradford has the surgery #6874
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    Maybe we need a separate
    Surgery-Board this year.

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    September 10, 2014 at 6:29 pm in reply to: C.Long will miss "8-10 weeks" #6872
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    Well Bradford was the Offensive leader
    and Chris Long was the Defensive Leader.

    Who’s the Special Teams leader?
    He would be next, i would think
    if i am reading these entrails
    correctly.

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    September 10, 2014 at 6:24 pm in reply to: Rice video was sent to NFL #6869
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    “…The law enforcement official, speaking to the AP on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation, says he had no further communication with any NFL employee and can’t confirm anyone watched the video. He said he was unauthorized to release the video but shared it unsolicited because he wanted the NFL to have it before deciding on Rice’s punishment…”
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    A “law enforcement official” went into an evidence room and made
    a copy of evidence in a criminal case (thats still essentially pending) and
    simply decided to send a copy to the NFL ?

    Yup, thats ‘unauthorized’ behavior, alright. I would think Somebody may
    lose their job over that.

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    September 10, 2014 at 3:24 pm in reply to: informal poll, opinions – qbs in the 2014 draft #6832
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    I think Greg Robinson and Aaron Donald were
    the best picks given the info Snisher had at the time.

    Bradford seemed fine. Hill seemed like a solid back-up.

    I ‘do’ think maybe they shoulda drafted a developmental
    guy earlier than the 6th round.

    A rookie would not save them this year, though. I mean
    if they had drafted one early, he’d still be a rookie
    and they’d still be screwed this year.

    …course if this were my team, M.Vick would have
    been signed a coupla years ago. For better or worse.

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    September 10, 2014 at 3:20 pm in reply to: Anyone going to the TB Game? #6831
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    I was just STOKED that she actually asked to go with me. Should be exciting.

    I’m riding up with Les since he lives about an hour south of me. We went together two seasons ago when the Rams last played in TB. That’s when I posted those Legatron vids on Youtube.

    Tell, Les,
    Peace.

    The board wars were no fun, but
    hopefully we all learned…um…somethin.

    I’m thinkin if they can keep Doug Williams in the pocket
    he cant beat them through the air. Dewey and Leroy Selmon
    could cause problems, though.

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    September 10, 2014 at 1:34 pm in reply to: How about trading out top pick in 2015 for Eli Manning? #6825
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    Oh well, it was just a thought. LOL

    Grits

    Surely there will be a Good QB available
    in the 15-25 range in the first round.
    Surely.

    And then an OLineman or two
    in the 2nd and 3rd round.

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    September 10, 2014 at 1:33 pm in reply to: game reactions from around the net (ongoing thread) #6824
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    Zooey wrote:

    Well, Tavon did not have a good day, did he.

    If you hate West Virginians so much
    maybe you should go live
    in North Korea.

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    September 9, 2014 at 5:32 pm in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6779
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    joemad wrote:

    i don’t know if he’ll ever play in the NFL either but you never know….. afterall some dumb ass organization traded HOF Jerome Bettis to Pittsburgh to get the rights to draft some dickhead from Nebraska who beat his girlfriend in college

    Was that the same organization
    that traded up for the Pope’s Hooker?

    Rice will play again. And i dont mind that, frankly.
    As long as he grows and evolves and learns what he needs to learn.
    What often happens though, is the person just
    learns how to jump-through-all-the-hoops and say-the-right-things.

    This ‘could’ be a chance for Rice to grow
    in all kinds of poignant ways.

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    September 9, 2014 at 10:27 am in reply to: Was anyone surprised? #6757
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    LadyRamFan wrote:

    I was surprised. I wasn’t able to see much of pre-season but I wasn’t expecting such a poor showing. The penalties continue to bother me. I don’t see any improvement and that is one area I hoped Fisher and staff would clean up. I think the defense will be fine but I dunno about Schottenheimer and the offense. I know he’s in a really tough spot but nothing seems to be working. We’ll see.

    Well the Chris Long penalty should have been on Minny.
    And the Quinn penalty seemed ticky-tacky.
    And the Givens and Quick penalties were about
    WR’s playing with aggression which is somethin
    weve ‘wanted’ to see out of those two.

    So, I dunno. I guess Fisher teams are known
    for penalties and Fisher teams often have
    trouble early in the year, but i really thought
    MOST of the team played fine except for having
    an injured-second-string-QB starting
    and an OLine that just got beat.

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    September 9, 2014 at 9:03 am in reply to: What Bucs Fans Are Saying About Their Game #6743
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    PA Ram wrote:

    You always were a bit conservative on your thinking—I like the Rams 73-3 score—but “maryjanewatson” IS a little overboard with the Bucs getting that FG.

    Well, usually i am in accord with maryJane
    but in this case i’m gonna just say no.

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    September 9, 2014 at 8:59 am in reply to: RamView, 9/7/2014: Vikings 34, Rams 6 (Long) #6740
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    The Universe ‘wants’ Jeff Fisher
    to finish 8-8.
    Thus, things are bound
    to get better.

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    September 9, 2014 at 8:46 am in reply to: What Bucs Fans Are Saying About Their Game #6737
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    UbuntuBuc, on 08 Sept 2014 – 8:14 PM, said:
    6-3 Rams. Everyone remembers the 1999 Bears but is upset to see the Buccaneers on the losing end of a god awful game.

    6-3 Rams is still my call.
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    Hmmm. I suppose they could score six on the road,
    with their third string QB,
    but I dunno know.
    I think I’m going with:

    Rams 5
    Bux 3

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    September 9, 2014 at 8:37 am in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6735
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    PA Ram wrote:

    I don’t know what’s more disturbing—the punch itself, or the way he just casually drags her body around afterward–like it’s a bag of potatoes or something.

    That is a very disturbed dude and the NFL is better off without him—actually society is better off without him.

    Domestic violence is full of strange, human, currents.
    Think about the fact that the lady
    is going to marry him…and think about
    why that would be…etc.

    Anyway, Goodell is a corporate-suit. He
    was out of his league on this one.

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