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Eric Garner grand jury probe shows similarities to Michael Brown case

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2014/1203/Eric-Garner-grand-jury-probe-shows-similarities-to-Michael-Brown-case-video

New York — Just a week after a Missouri grand jury declined to bring charges against former Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, New York City is bracing for another long-awaited and controversial grand jury decision.

A Staten Island grand jury, which has been hearing evidence since Sept. 29, has heard from its final witnesses and could hand down a decision about whether to indict New York Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo in the chokehold death of Eric Garner as early as Wednesday, according to reports.

Like its Missouri counterpart, the Staten Island grand jury has been unusual, both in the duration of the proceedings and the amount of evidence presented. Meeting for months, the secret panel of 16 or as many as 23 jurors has been hearing a full array of evidence, including the testimony of the potential defendant, New York Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo.
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District Attorney Daniel Donovan has said little during the past two months about the secret grand jury proceedings, which must decide whether to bring charges against Officer Pantaleo, a white officer eight years on the force, who wrestled Mr. Garner to the ground with a headlock maneuver on the afternoon of July 17, even as the 6-foot, 3-inch, 350-pound father of six cried out, “I can’t breathe” numerous times.

The incident, dramatically captured on video by multiple bystanders with smartphones on the Staten Island sidewalk, provided the early backdrop to the often violent protests to the shooting of Mr. Brown in Ferguson, Mo., just a few weeks later. Both became symbols of the deep, decades-long divisions between police departments and black communities in a year marked by angry protests and civil unrest.

And just as St. Louis Prosecutor Robert McCulloch did with Officer Wilson, District Attorney Donovan brought in Officer Pantaleo to testify in his own defense, without being subject to adversarial cross examination.

In most cases, legal experts say, a prosecutor presents a grand jury only with select evidence to simply establish “probable cause” for an indictment, and the potential defendant is by definition the prosecutor’s legal adversary.

“But it’s very challenging for a local prosecutor, who oftentimes wins elections with the support of local police officers, and works very closely with local police officers each and every day, to bring a case against a cop,” says Jason Leventhal, a former Staten Island assistant district attorney who now represents clients bringing civil rights cases against the NYPD.

“The internal pressures that a local prosecutor receives from their brothers in law enforcement – these are their partners working together everyday, so it creates a very challenging environment for a prosecutor to seek and indictment, let alone a conviction, of a police officer.”

Pantaleo, an officer who lives in Staten Island, told his side of the incident to the grand jury for two hours on Nov. 21.

“He was gratified to tell his story, he was relieved,” said Stuart London, Pantaleo’s attorney, to CNN on Saturday. “He was anxious and anxiety-filled prior to that,” Mr. London said. “He is cautiously optimistic, and knows that his fate is in their hands now.”

In Missouri, Mr. McCulloch was criticized for taking the unusual step of presenting the entirety of his evidence to the grand jury, including the four-hour testimony of Wilson. None of the evidence was subjected to cross examination or hostile scrutiny, however, critics say.

And it is not difficult for a prosecutor to get an indictment. In 2010, federal prosecutors sought indictments in about 162,000 cases, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Grand jurors declined to return an indictment in 11 of these.

“[When] the prosecutor handled the Wilson case in a radically different manner, this signaled to the grand jurors that they were not expected to indict. And they did not,” wrote Marjorie Cohn, a criminal defense attorney and professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego, in an essay in The Huffington Post last week.

Many observers in New York see a similar strategy at play in the Garner grand jury.

“The length of the grand jury proceedings has given me pause, and there’s always the possibility that the district attorney is using the grand jury process to insulate him from the public scorn and criticism that would follow if he chose not to bring a case that the public believes should be brought,” says Mr. Leventhal of the law firm Leventhal & Klein.

“Presenting evidence this way insulates the DA from the decision,” he continues. “Even if he was seeking an indictment – an indictment that would be unpopular, and he might be concerned with the fallout from fellow law enforcement partners – it also serves that purpose to be able to say, ‘It wasn’t my decision, I put all the evidence in, and it was the grand jury’s decision.’ ”

On Monday, NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton met with local clergy, community leaders, and elected officials in Staten Island to discuss the possible fallout of the impending grand jury decision, including the possibility of Ferguson-like violence.

“Here on Staten Island, Eric Garner had a lot of friends, especially in that area, and he’s very, very well missed by a lot of people who’s anxiously waiting the decision,” said Cynthia Davis, a leader with the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, to NY1. “So I even think maybe some agitators may try to worm their way in and try to cause problems, but we’re just praying and hoping that that doesn’t happen.”

Yeah, the system is absurd. The prosecutor
and the cops work together everyday. They are
allies. The prosecutor is a “cop” and has a badge.
He’s the top-cop, essentially.

Anytime there’s evidence a cop has assaulted
anyone a “special prosecutor” ought to be
appointed by a neutral panel of some sort.
Thats how it would be handled in utopia-world
anyway.

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NERam wrote:

Right or wrong, what the Rams players did coming out of the tunnel has created more negative response against the team than the other 2 Pats incidents.

Thats all.

Well, it hasn’t played out yet.
Maybe some or most of those fans will come back.
And maybe the gesture made them new fans.
Time will tell.

For some reason i just thought of Jackie Robinson.
I bet a lot of fans quit on the Dodgers when
he took the field. In the end though,
things worked out 🙂

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rfl wrote:

I must say, I am impressed with Cook. I had no idea he had this much articulate depth.

He’s not just reading a PR statement. He is expressing a perspective reflecting not only intelligence, but balance and nuance. He keeps a lot of issues in mind here, and appeals to the angels of our nature.

I was taken with the moment when he apparently teared up over the statement by the African American police organization. That showed a person with heart and also an African American with a powerful sense of solidarity and identity.

I have stayed out of the discussion for the most part but those who know me can imagine where I stand. What I have resonated with most strongly is the recognition, I believe articulated by Zooey, that African Americans know in their bones and long past refutation that they remain, decade after decade, vulnerable to prejudicial police harassment and violence. They have lived their lives being harassed by cops and watching people who look like them die. That shared experience is surely what our African American WRs were testifying to.

And it’s what moved Cook when hearing from African American police whose voices are silenced in all of this. Yet Cook’s response remains fully human, engaged, aware of the positive role of police in his life and profession as well.

This incident testifies to Cook being a man and a human being. We’re all human, but most people live out of touch with their core humanity. Cook is in touch with his. He sounds like a guy one would like to know.

You know, the whole matter of intelligence and its relationship to athletic skill is interesting. Players of truly limited intelligence often struggle. The best athletes often play smart, a mental shrewdness in processing the demands of the game. But these players are often pretty unintelligent in the rest of life. One remembers Billy Kilmer’s obtuse recent comments about the Redskins–not just racist but simply dumb.

Sometimes, one finds intelligence in a player that goes well beyond game-smarts. And it can actually interfere with play. Kevin Carter was a highly intelligent, cultured man. He never seemed to love football enough to fulfill his potential.

I wonder if Cook is like that. Watching him play, I have had the impression of a dull person with great athletic gifts. Based on this incident, that impression seems false. He is clearly a thoughtful, reflective guy. He seems to be one of those rare players I would actually enjoy knowing.

Now if he can just quit dropping passes …

Yeah, well said, RFL.

And Kendricks and Tavon need to stop
dropping balls too 🙂

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rfl wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
I will be surprised if Austin Davis
ever learns to
1) trust the pocket
and
2) make good-quick decisions.

…

I’d bring Hill back with
no hesitation, though.
I hope they can afford him
cause he’s gonna have good
numbers and a lot of teams
are gonna offer him good back-up money.

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Agreed. I will be very surprised if Hill is not our #2 next year. They’ll pay him the market price for a good #2. (This would be a notable contrast with their response to Clemens’ year last season.)

Davis? I have trouble seeing his future for the reason you mention and others.

We need to draft a promising developmental guy this year. 1st round or, at the latest, the 2nd.

I guess the #1 will be Bradford. But damn, I do not trust that knee.

I would actually like to acquire a mid-career, mid-table FA QB. People say, “Sanchez (or the like) doesn’t do much for me.” OK. But there are unexciting but generally capable QBs who have had successful seasons who could provide us with better than what one expects from backups. That would be a good thing, even if it weren’t exciting.

Thing is, Hill is a bit of a ‘tweener. He is a shade better than the normal backup type. But I dunno if I see him as a true starter.

The whole issue is a real challenge. If we can’t trust Bradford’s health, then we really have very few good options. Gonna be tough to nget it right.

Yeah, Snisher is gonna have
to become a medical expert
over the offseason. The Rams
are gonna have to figure out
the science and algebra
on 2nd-ACL-injuries.
I imagine there will be
several doctors talkin
to the Rams this offseason.

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Jim emphasizes the affect of the Rams blue-and-whites
on a Black and White TV back in the late 60’s through 1972
when they changed back to blue and yellow.

The Rams uniforms looked awesome in black-and-white.
You have to be a certain age to appreciate this 🙂
They looked awesome on tv, compared to other teams,
back then. Maybe there’s a black and white youtube
of the LA Rams back then, I dunno.

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FILE – In this Sept. 4, 1971 file photo, Los Angeles Ram’s Deacon Jones, center, knocks the ball loose from San Diego Chargers’ Mike Garrett in Los Angeles. Jones, the original sackmaster, has died. The Hall of Fame defensive end credited with terming the word sack for how he knocked down quarterbacks, was 74. The Washington Redskins said that Jones died of natural causes at his home in Southern California on Monday night, June 3, 2013. (AP Photo)
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snowman wrote:

HighPlainsDrifter wrote:
Those players have a constitutional guaranteed right to express their thoughts regardless of who agree or disagree with them. They did it, and now they’ll have to face the consequences of their actions. That’s the deal. I think it would have been a good idea for them to have let the team know what their intentions were so that the entire franchise wouldn’t be blindsided by it. I don’t know what the teams reaction would have been, but I think they deserved the opportunity to make their opinion known before the event. If their intention was truly to demonstrate their support for the community of Ferguson, then I think it was an ill-conceived one. It would seem to assume that the entire community is squarely on the side of Michael Brown. That’s a big assumption. What it more than likely demonstrates is that they have chosen a side and did not have the right to represent the Rams in declaring that allegiance, or even giving that appearance.

Yes, they should have thought about how their gesture affects the Rams organization because they selfishly used the Rams as a platform to express their personal feelings, because they get more exposure than just tweeting it.

Sure they ‘used’ the organizations platform, but the employer
‘uses’ the players all the time, in a gazillion ways.
For me, both the employer and employee just have to
live with that. Employer has to live with the players
constitutional right (and ethical obligation?) to speak out
against injustice, and the
employee gets to live with the fact the employer ‘uses’
the player in all the obvious ways.

I just dont think the players should feel obligated
to tell the front office or coaches they are gonna
make a little gesture that they have a right to make.

At any rate, what is the ‘point’ of telling Demoff
or Fisher they are gonna give a salute to the troops,
or pray, or give the hands up gesture ? What is
the point of informing the boss about that?

I mean, i know they can if they want to, but
why should they feel ‘obligated’ to ?

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Dak wrote:

RIP, Jeff. So sad to hear.

I also wonder often about Billy T. Anybody hear anything lately about Billy and his battle with cancer.

Dont know about his struggle with cancer,
but he’s still posting on the Herd regularly.

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“Retired NFL players talk about struggling to find what comes next. After his last coaching gig, Martz got an immediate answer: television. He worked as an analyst for Fox for a year, but found the work impersonal and the workplace fractured by politics…”

Imagine that — Martz not wanting
to deal with a workplace “fractured by politics”

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zn wrote:

Redskins secondary puts hands up in pregame introductions, referencing protests in Ferguson, Mo.

By Isabelle Khurshudyan <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: red”><span class=”d4pbbc-font-size” style=”font-size: 30px”>August 19</span></span>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/08/19/redskins-secondary-puts-hands-up-in-pregame-introductions-referencing-protests-in-ferguson-mo/

The starting lineup bounded onto the field for Monday’s preseason game against the Browns, each starter individually announced. The secondary was last, and it came out as one unit, starters and backups alike. They walked with arms folded up, palms open.

The sign of surrender, a gesture not to shoot, has become synonymous with protests in Ferguson, Mo., in the wake of the fatal shooting of black teenager Michael Brown by a police officer. Though the secondary’s stance wasn’t televised on ESPN’s Monday Night Football broadcast, several fans at FedEx Field took notice and tweeted about it.

“Anytime you get an opportunity to do something like that, it’s something that needs to be discussed, something that you truly need to believe,” veteran safety Ryan Clark said. “That could have been any one of us. That could have been any one of our brothers, our cousins, just anyone.

“We have voices, even though sometimes we don’t like to see it that way, we do have voices. We got the opportunity to do something.”

Second-year safety Phillip Thomas said he was “just going with the program.” Clark said strong safety Brandon Meriweather and cornerback DeAngelo Hall both made the decision to do it, and then asked Clark if he would be interested in participating.

“I was like, ‘Absolutely,’” Clark said. “Everybody was in it. Everybody was together. It was a really good opportunity to make a statement and be more than football players.”

Well there is something postmodernly-surreal about a team
called “the Redskins” making symbolic political gestures
about the issues in Ferguson.

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sdram wrote:

The difficult part for me about all of this is to listen to people that I care about and are reasonably intelligent deny the science – almost by rote it seems – because I don’t know why. And any argument – reasonable or not is shouted down as the sinister force of liberalism at work. Their truth is the whole truth and there’s no room to be further enlightened even when reality slaps them in the face.

Which for some strange reason reminds me of an adhoc statistical study I saw after Nixon resigned the presidency. His approval rating hovered around 40%.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/tech/innovation/record-temperatures/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Well, ya know, the System
does not exactly promote
‘critical thinking’.

If it did, the System
would be working against
itself.

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