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wvParticipantI think the Rams might be willing to give
a seventh round pick, in order to
get rid of him.w
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wvParticipantI don’t think i can vote for another Clinton.
Can’t do it. I hear what yer say’in, but I’m done
with the lesser-of-2-evils voting.It’ll be Jill Stein, for me. And I’ll sleep
just fine if a Rep gets elected.Bernie has done way better than i expected, btw.
I mean his policies are exactly the same as Naders.
So why did so many more support Bernie? I’ve been
wondering a lot about this.w
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April 25, 2016 at 8:13 am in reply to: interesting old article…Benoit, "Jared Goff Projects to Stardom" #42567
wvParticipantGoff checks all the boxes on this sheet. He steps and slides effortlessly behind his offensive line. His throwing mechanics do not waiver, regardless of how much movement precedes them. Because of this, Goff …is also proficient throwing outside the pocket, be it moving to his left or right.
That puts that well. You can see all that if you watch him.
True
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wvParticipantI have become a political-cultural-curmudgeon in my old-age,
which means that I regularly trash artists like Prince
and Bowie, etc. I compare them to people like Joan Baez, Phil Ochs, Woody Guthrie, Joe Hill, etc.I mean to me… the biosphere really is threatened. And if a singer or artist aint sendin out messages about ‘that’, then I
aint got nuthin good to say about’em.Thats just me, though.
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wvParticipantMy own view is lots of things have influenced ‘science’ over
the centuries. Politics, money, power, culture, religion, etc, etc,Well, but see, I think and say the exact same thing all the time.
But what that means is that someone makes this claim that is influenced by say culture and then sooner or later someone comes along and pokes a hole in it. For example, genetic scientists who study the concept of race demonstrate endlessly that 19th century scientific concepts of race have no viable foundation.
Yes many scienTISTS have blind spots, biases, cultural prejudices, religious convictions, and so on. But then (again) sooner or later some others also trained as scientists come along and expose the limitations in those biased ideas. And then THEIR claims undergo the same kind of scrutiny.
Heck it wasn’t until all of human history up to 1929 that anyone knew how the sun produced light and heat. Up till then no idea held up.
So it’s a process. A constantly ongoing one.
I mean if you call all of science taken together one thing, that would probably best be something like a long process of self-correcting, self-modifying debate.
Yeah, we agree on all this. Though, i think you trust the ‘peer review’ thing a little more than i do. I dont have any first-hand experience with it, btw, fwiw. I dont ‘distrust’ it, but you always point to it with an enthusiasm I dont have. I’m a little more wary of it.
Dunno why.w
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wvParticipantAt the moment, I am examining the layout
and shapes of the bananas on my peanut-butter
and banana sandwich, in order to divine
the mind of Snisher.Oracle Ram
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Divination
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/divination.aspx
“…In the East divination generally appears to have been effected by crystal gazing, dreams, and similar methods of self-hallucination or self-hypnotism. Divination flourished in Chaldea and Assyria among the Babylonians and Ethiopians, and appears to have been much the same as in Egypt. In the Jewish Talmud witches were said to divine by means of bread crumbs. Among the Arabs, the future was often foretold by means of the shapes seen in sand. The Burmese and Siamese pierced an egg at each end, and having blown the contents onto the ground, traced within them the outline of things to be. Divination by astrology too was common in oriental countries, as were the predictions of prophets.It is remarkable that among the native races of America the arts of divination known to the peoples of the Old World were, and still are, used. These arts, as a rule, were the preserve of the medicine man and priestly class. In ancient Mexico there was a college of augurs like the auspices of ancient Rome; the members occupied themselves with observing the flight of birds and listening to their songs, from which they drew their conclusions. In Mexico, the Calmecac, or college of priests, had a department where divination was taught in all its branches, but there were many ex officio prophets and augurs.
In Peru, still other classes of diviners predicted by means of the leaves of tobacco, or the grains or juice of coca, the shapes of grains of maize, taken at random, the forms assumed by the smoke rising from burning victims, the viscera of animals, the course taken by spiders, and the direction in which fruits might fall. The professors of these methods were distinguished by different ranks and titles, and their training was long and arduous.
The American tribes as a whole were keen observers of bird life. Strangely enough the bird and serpent are combined in their symbolism and in the names of several of their principal deities. The bird appeared to the American primitive as a spirit, in all probability under the spell of some potent enchanter—a spell that might be broken only by some great sorcerer or medicine man….
wvParticipantWell its an interesting subject, for sure: “big science”
What factors influence ‘science’ and what factors might
cause scientific-conclusions to be wrong ? Its a big subject.w
vScience is a method.
Scientists are almost invariably the first to discover whether or not this or that claim holds up.
That’s because science, unlike a creed or faith, isn’t unitary. It consists of endless trained people whose entire purpose is to disprove claims that do no work and replace them with ones that work better.
Usually, to me, the people talking about “science” as this “thing” that “acts a certain way” are not being very scientific. It’s more like they’re talking about something they made up in their heads than the actual operations and practices of actual scientists.
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Ok, that’s your view 🙂
My own view is lots of things have influenced ‘science’ over
the centuries. Politics, money, power, culture, religion, etc, etc, etc.Those things still influence it. So those things and their influences bear watching.
I mean, in a vacuum science is a ‘method’ but in the real world its
influenced by all the usual human crap. I doubt you would disagree with that.Having said that, of all the ‘methods’ humans have going
today, ‘science’ seems to be the best, in general.
Science gave us the internet, toasters,
and electric football.w
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wvParticipantWell its an interesting subject, for sure: “big science”
What factors influence ‘science’ and what factors might
cause scientific-conclusions to be wrong ? Its a big subject.w
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wvParticipantThe only way to beat the draft is to have more draft choices than the other guy. That is a simplest way to describe a complex situation. imo
I think the best drafting strategy is similar to optimal Yahtzee strategy.
Makes sense to me, as a general rule. Especially if you are like the Ravens and Patriots and you are usually drafting near the bottom of the first round.
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vApril 23, 2016 at 9:23 am in reply to: Later-round gems can be found at receiver, even in 'down' years #42456
wvParticipant“It’s just a bad group,” an NFC personnel director said. “There’s not one sure thing.”
—————————-Well i think that is the key statement right there.
The pundits/experts tend to say its a ‘bad group’
when what they really should say is ‘there’s no sure thing’.
The two statements are different.There will be QBs and WR’s found in the later rounds
that do well but there wont be many. The trick is picking them.Maybe the rams can sign Cordarelle ? 🙂
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wvParticipantRight now I’m circling every third word in the Rams preview section.
I already did that.
It says “The Higgs Boson is awesome but it’s NOT responsible for most of your mass.”
Not sure what that means, but it seems to lean toward the heavier of the 2 qbs.
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Ahh. Analytics.
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wvParticipantWell, ironically, i don’t see any ‘evidence’ to back
up any of those claims. Where is the actual evidence
to back up those claims?w
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wvParticipantOkay–maybe I’ve lost my mind but watch these two interviews with Dani Klupenger–one with Goff–one with Wentz when they visited the Rams.
She’s very happy and bright eyed and almost ecstatic with Wentz. Scenes are shown of Wentz walking around with Fisher–meeting people–shaking Tru’s hand.
Then on Goff’s interview she seems to be going through the motion. The smile is forced. No scenes with Fisher. Looks like Goff got the B tour.
So…judge for yourself. Maybe I’ve just had too much time to think about this but here ya go:
…Dani Klupenger knows. SHE KNOWS!!!!!!
But, if you play both interviews backwards,
at the same time, you can clearly hear
her say, “Its Paxton Lynch.”w
vApril 21, 2016 at 9:32 am in reply to: from around the net… on Goff/Wentz (a must read thread tho long) #42354
wvParticipantWhen i watch Goff, i just cringe a bit at
his repeated throwing off balance…i dunno.
My gut tells me his rookie year is gonna
be full of INTs. I dont get that feeling
with Wentz.I see that Goff is a pocket-master in college.
Great instincts for flowing in and around the pocket.
I’m just not sure its gonna translate in the pros.My gut also tells me he wont last the first year.
He’ll get kilt with that sleek body moving around
the pocket the way he does.Course, i know my ‘gut’ dont really know nuthin.
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wvParticipantUnless the Rams realize that Silver is precisely the right guy to feed disinformation to. Cause, he’s perceived of as an insider, which makes him a great conduit for disinformation.
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I was tempted to use that as my handle
many years ago — “conduit for disinformation ram”But wv was easier to type.
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wvParticipantI think we all read the snippet a few days ago about the Rams sending out intentional misinformation about whether it would be G or W.
I keep that in mind everytime i read one of these media-tweets.
One wonders if the Rams are indeed doing that, and
if it might annoy the reporters after the pick is made
and the realize they’ve been mislead.w
vApril 21, 2016 at 7:52 am in reply to: Teams believe Jared Goff to Rams is a 'done deal,' sources say #42347
wvParticipantWith this schedule, plus games in Helsinki and Instanbul, starting a rookie qb from week 1 would be deadly.
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Istanbul’s long-snapper melted down last year so I wouldn’t worry about them. Constantinople and Byzantium on the other hand are gonna be tough this year.
Anyone here been to Istanbul, btw? Ive always wanted to see it.
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vhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul
Istanbul (/ˌɪstænˈbuːl/ or /ˌiːstɑːnˈbuːl/;[8][9] Turkish: İstanbul [isˈtanbuɫ] ( listen)), historically also known as Constantinople and Byzantium, is the most populous city in Turkey…… The population of the city has increased tenfold since the 1950s, as migrants from across Anatolia have moved in and city limits have expanded to accommodate them.[14][15] Arts, music, film, and cultural festivals were established at the end of the 20th century and continue to be hosted by the city today. Infrastructure improvements have produced a complex transportation network.
Approximately 12.56 million foreign visitors arrived in Istanbul in 2015, five years after it was named a European Capital of Culture, making the city the world’s fifth most popular tourist destination….
April 21, 2016 at 6:56 am in reply to: Teams believe Jared Goff to Rams is a 'done deal,' sources say #42345
wvParticipantIf a rookie QB starts from day one, what do you
guys think the Rams record will be?Cause, 16 games with a rookie QB, looks like
about 8 and 8 to me. Which, lets face it,
would be downright funny.w
vApril 20, 2016 at 6:32 pm in reply to: Rating the NFL draft prospects: Quarterbacks (McGinn, Goselin) #42317
wvParticipantWell he doesn’t seem to think either QB
is a slam-dunk.I swear, there are so many different views
on these QBs this year. I dont remember
this much variance in the opinions on
a qb class.w
vApril 19, 2016 at 3:57 pm in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42264
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oldmanram – An opinion by Drew BoylehartIn my recent E-Mail to Drew i basically told him that I was in favor of Jared Goff being the RAMs pick and asked him for his opinion. This is his reply,
Goff should be the pick, why any one believes Wentz, a division 2 QB, is the second best QB in this draft , when there are other QB’s in division 1 with more production, better accuracy size strong arm and athletic is way beyond me. This to me is a joke and the team that picks him is in for a long haul of a QB with classic lack of decision making abilities and accuracy problems Don’t get me wrong , Wentz is and can be a good QB but he is a developmental QB and has to be in the right system and right coach to get it all out of him.
He is no better then Kaepernic when he came out and he was selected in the 2nd round.
Also ask your self the folowing , how many QB;s between the Titans and Rams has Jeff Fisher developed? None other then McNair, so asking him to develope Wentz is a bit to much I would say.
Goff has the production that Wentz does not even come close to having. Wentz never beat out the QB in front of him , who is not in the NFL. To me, picking Wentz this high up is a classic boom or bust with the highest potential in the bust category. Maybe Goff won’t make it either but , with the information you have in front of you at this time of the draft, Wentz does not come close to being rated in the same category as Goff
Wentz is a 2nd round player who could sneak into the1st round because some teams want a 5 yr. option , he is not a top 10 QB . You do not move up and give up your whole draft to pick a division 2 player and if you do, your a fool
Those are the facts and they can not be refuted.
wvParticipantWell, i for one am glad to have Chase back.
He’s a tough, hard-nosed kid.w
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wvParticipant“The skill-sets are different, the personalities are different, the backgrounds are different, the competition’s different,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. “And that’s what makes it such a challenge.”
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wvParticipantApril 16, 2016 at 3:18 pm in reply to: Clayton says the move by the Rams was out of desperation #42109
wvParticipantZn thinks that ‘teams’ have rated G/W higher than
the pundits have…but i have not read that, myself.
(do teams really tip the media off on that stuff?)They can and do, but it’s usually under these conditions—anonymously, and with other teams in the discussion too, so it’s harder to figure out who it is.
Here’s an example:
Rand Getlin @Rand_Getlin
Been told multiple times that Carson Wentz and Jared Goff graded out higher for a number of teams than Mariota and Winston did last year.—————————
Well, thats encouraging, aint it. At this point I’m just hopin for the best and I’m jumping on the G/W train.I expect G/W to have a Hall of Fame career,
despite Fisher’s relentless efforts to
run the Wing-T and destroy the offense.w
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April 16, 2016 at 2:57 pm in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42107
wvParticipantI don’t want Jared “Little Hands” Goff anywhere near this team.
Well the thing is, they have been measuring hands for a while now,
and apparently, from what little i’ve read, there just aint many
(if any) examples of great QBs, with hands the size of Goffs.Am i right about that?
So, its not exactly a nonissue. Weirdly, its a real issue.
Can he be relied on to hold on to the damn ball?w
vApril 16, 2016 at 2:50 pm in reply to: Clayton says the move by the Rams was out of desperation #42106
wvParticipantKeep in mind, he said this on a St. Louis radio station. I will bet anyone a box of doughnuts he doesn’t characterize this move as “desperate” when speaking with Los Angeles media. I could be wrong, but I think he was playing a bit to his audience.
Yeah, i was thinkin the same thing.
…Btw, so far, i have not found an LA sportswriter
who is a ‘must read.’ Ya know. I’m a tad
disappointed in the quality of the coverage so far.
Its mainly cliches and surface-fluff. So far.Zn thinks that ‘teams’ have rated G/W higher than
the pundits have…but i have not read that, myself.
(do teams really tip the media off on that stuff?)
I haven’t read a lot on W/G though. So, all my opinions
on this trade are based on a paragraph here and a utube there.
So, ya know, I aint really worth read’in on this trade subject.Ask me about Tasering Tapirs though. Go ahead. You want depth,
I’ll give depth.w
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wvParticipantWell, I dunno.
I guess I’m just not sold on Goff or Wentz.
But what do i know.Wentz looks kinda slow to me. Like a big Kerry Collins
kinda guy. And Goff…well Goff has teeny tiny hands
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vwentz ran the 40 in the 4.7’s. 3 cone was 6.87.
he’s pretty athletic for his size.
By slow I mean his release. His release looks
slow to me. Not like Luck or Peyton or even Cam.
wvParticipantWell, I dunno.
I guess I’m just not sold on Goff or Wentz.
But what do i know.Wentz looks kinda slow to me. Like a big Kerry Collins
kinda guy. And Goff…well Goff has teeny tiny hands 🙂w
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wvParticipantPrisco: “……“Run it harder,” Fisher said.
That’s his approach. It won’t change. But if he can run it, then drive the ball with play-action passes down the field, maybe it can work. To be honest, I think he needs an overhaul to his style of play. And if you make a deal like this to get a franchise passer, it has to become his team…”Overhaul his style of play? I see that a lot these days.
Maybe. But I watched Seattle run the ball with Marshawn,
play great Defense, and rely on Russell to manage the offense and make a few big plays a game. And then I watched Denver win a ring with great defense, and a crafty but old-injured qb managing the offense.I just dont see how Prisco and others can ignore the
Seattle and Denver examples. Seems to me they are ignoring
the fact that there are many roads to the mountaintop.I also dont buy into the meme Peter King and others are
putting forth about the Rams having to do this trade
because they have to have an elite QB to compete with
Carson Palmer and Russell Wilson. I dont think that computes.The Rams did/do need a good QB, but that doesnt mean
they had to trade for the number One pick. They could have
traded down, gotten more picks and picked a QB later in the draft.
Or kept all their picks and picked a QB at 15.One of the big question marks I have is — Is it True,
that Goff/Wentz is so much better than every other QB
that would have been available to the Rams later in the Draft?Do yall think no other QB in this class, picked after say,
the tenth pick will be excellent?w
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wvParticipantWhat would be not to like?
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Are you MAD.After having no Healthy-Franchise-QB
elevating the team for all these years,
they go and find themselves with TWO,
all at once.It would be a confusing distraction.
Plus, it might cause unconscionable frictions
and factions. Just like on Game of Thrones.Do you even understand Football?
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