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October 3, 2015 at 11:23 am in reply to: Wagoner: Run-first Rams' struggle go beyond the basics #31604
wvParticipantSo in addition to relying on rookie OL, Fisher’s brain trust shifted to a new zone blocking scheme which, in the OC’s words, takes precise synchronization between the players. And no one has run it before.
All after insisting that this year we needed to start fast.
A couple weeks back, I pointed out that relying on a rookie OL and seeking a fast start with a really tough early schedule were contradictory. I was told that I was being silly. Now we find out that it’s even worse.
It was not reasonable to expect a fast start with this offense constructed as it was.
I think the record bears out the simple observation that this regime runs miles to avoid taking responsibility for actually winning games.
But, you you know, they’re … close. Oh, so close. One of these days …
I have never read anyone on this little board
call you ‘silly,’ RFL. People just disagreed,
iz all i saw.To me, you are acting like three games is the same
as 16 games. They may be playing a lot better on offense
by mid-season.w
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wvParticipantOne would think, the OC would give Quick
some early, easy, routes/catches.He seems like the kind of guy
that needs to have his confidence
built up.w
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wvParticipantWell, the weapons are all active now: Gurley and Quick.
Maybe it’ll make a difference.
Should be a good game.
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wvParticipantAnd the old sort of truism, Good players make coaches smarter.
Thought experiment. How many different coaches could be the Rams DC and the Rams defense still be expected to be a top 10 defense?
Obviously, coaching, talent, and health
are the three big things, and they are all related,
but…i never thought Mike Ditka was a genius — and he won it all
with the talent the Bears had. And there was the coach
in Dallas who won a Ring (i forget his name. The one after JJ) — But he
never struck me as a good coach.And then there’s the DV example — We all wanted DV’s head to roll,
until he got himself a RB named Faulk and a QB named Warner.The real question is Do the Rams have enough talent
on OFFENSE and is Fisher a good enough coach to
develop all his talent and put it all together.I ‘think’ there is enough talent on offense.
I just think its going through growing pains.
But I expect them to get better and better
every week or so.And i certainly think Fisher is good enough
to win Ten games. I dunno about a ring,
but a wildcard berth? Sure.w
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wvParticipantI expect a
typical knockdown-drag-out
cardinal-ram bloodfest.Could go either way.
Fitzgerald worries me.
Donald
and Quinn should worry them.w
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wvParticipant<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I am a talent guy. I think we have playoff talent. I think that counts more than any other element.</span>
<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>Top 10 Defense, top 10 Special Teams, middle of the pack Offense(in the second half of the season).</span>
<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I can’t decide yet if I think Fisher and Co. is a B- or a C+. Either way I don’t see coaching as better or worse than the rest of the league, so I just figure they cancel out in the area of helping us win or lose more games.</span>
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Ditto. Thats how I assess it too.
Could be wrong of course. I mean, I am
not ‘sure’ I am seeing things correctly.
Maybe I’m over estimating the talent — but, ya know,
I see it the way i see it.I get RFL’s view, btw. He may
be right. Lets hope not 🙂w
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wvParticipantIn general, I tend to agree with everything in that first article.
Oftentimes, those “go for it, or dont” decisions
dont really decide the game though. Its usually
the three obvious things:
Execution
Talent
Turnoversw
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wvParticipantWell, Boehner was not a moderate in any sense other than the fact that he did reside in reality based politics. He did want to get deals done. I think he believed the shutdown was a bad idea.
And his replacement, although more conservative than Boehner (gag me), is also a resident of practical politics. The people he is aligned with ideologically aren’t, though. There are about 50 Republicans who are just nuts, who think shutting down the government is actually a good idea. They are the “drown it in the bathtub” crowd. Stunning to think nearly 10% of congress actually hates government that much.
In any event, that party may just end up eating its own over the next decade, but there’s just so many of them, and they are just so rich, I’m afraid they can continue causing damage indefinitely.
Who is gonna be the Republican nominee for Prez ?
Is it possible it will actually be
Bernie vs Trump ? That would mean there
really was a difference in the two main choices this time.w
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wvParticipantTrailer 2.
<iframe src=”https://www.youtube.com/embed/LoebZZ8K5N0?feature=oembed” allowfullscreen=”” frameborder=”0″ height=”388″ width=”690″></iframe>
Man. I gotta say, that looks like it has the potential
to be one of the best Westerns ever made.w
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wvParticipanthttp://www.rams-news.com/frank-cignetti-were-close-were-encouraged-by-things-that-we-see-video/
Well, i dunno if Cignetti is just blowing smoke,
but he ‘says’ he’s seeing progress.w
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wvParticipant“Why rams are guaranteed to lose game four”
http://bleacherreport.com/arizona-cardinalsw
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wvParticipantCardinal podcast:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2015/09/09/arizona-cardinals-podcast-birds-eye-view-kent-somers-and-mike-jurecki/71954330/
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in episode 4 this week:Playoff-caliber teams take care of business, just what the Cardinals have done through the first three weeks of the season against teams that are now a combined 1-8.
The Cardinals defensive line played its best game last week against San Francisco and showed its depth as well.
Why is Carson Palmer playing at the end of blowouts? Are the Cardinals taking an unnecessary risk leaving him out on the field? The Patriots, for comparison sake, are doing it as well with Tom Brady.
Sunday’s game against the Rams will be a great test for the Cardinals offense. What should fans expect this week?-
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wvParticipantthey have to continue to play excellent run defense. against seattle and pittsburgh they were able to do this. it didn’t happen against washington. if they can’t stop the run, i don’t think it matters if they play on or off.
Amen.
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wvParticipantBernie is right if his point is the Cardinal organization
has done a great job. They have. Seattle and Arizona
have made a lot of good decisions.w
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wvParticipantWell, i dont really get into the “to press or not to press”
argument — I’m sticking to the
“stop the damn RUN” argument.If they stop the run, everything
will be good enuff on defense.w
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wvParticipantWell as usual, RFL raises questions about the Team
and,
the relationship between the team and the ‘fan.’Personally, yes, i am still ‘invested’ in the team,
even if it loses all the rest of its games. I dont
think thats good or bad, and i dont think its the
only way to be a fan, but, its how i experience/create
my relationship with the Rams.Now, do I get ‘more’ pumped, ‘more’ excited,
‘more’ invested when they are winning and contending ?
Yeah, i do. Sure. (course it also hurts more when they
lose in the playoffs, etc — I ‘still’ cant watch that
Vinateri kick or the Stallworth Catch)…and as I’ve said a gazillion times — I dont expect
this season to play out like the last two Fisher years.
Too much talent, imho. I expect them to be right there
in the hunt for that last wildcard berth. I think they
will win a bunch of games after the bye. Thats what
I’m expecting. Is there an “evidence” to support that
view? Enh, I dunno. My ‘evidence’ would simply be
my assessment of the collection of “talent” — they have
a lot, imho. We’ll see, though.w
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wvParticipantFoles is rated 15th among 32 starting QBs.
Britt 14th out of 74 ranked WRs (Austin 70th).
Cook and Kendricks 18th and 28th, respectively, among 40 ranked TEs.
The Rams OL is rated 29th in run blocking, 16th in pass protection.
The Rams DL 11th vs. the run, 1st in pass rush.It really is interesting that the young, strong,
Rams Olinemen, have not been able to create
running lanes.Why is that, exactly?
They are healthy, they are big,
they are strong… ?I expected trouble, early
in the pass-pro.w
vSeptember 30, 2015 at 10:19 am in reply to: Rams sign Toon to PS, move McGee to reg roster, and cut Pead. #31452
wvParticipantA 2nd round bust at RB is annoying.
Pead was one of the most annoying draft choices
i can remember in the last ten years.w
vSeptember 30, 2015 at 10:14 am in reply to: Rams sign Toon to PS, move McGee to reg roster, and cut Pead. #31451
wvParticipantWho returnes kickoffs? Cunningham? Really, I don’t care, as long as it’s someone who won’t fumble.
Amen
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wvParticipantTodd Gurley: I didn’t get to show my explosiveness yet
[www.nfl.com]
By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Published: Sept. 28, 2015 at 09:50 a.m. Updated: Sept. 28, 2015 at 05:02 p.m.
After much anticipation, No. 10 overall pick Todd Gurley played his first football game since blowing out an ACL on Nov. 15, 2014.The St. Louis Rams’ running back entered the 12-6 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers early in the second quarter and took his first carry for two yards.
Every game, all season
“I knew I was going to be fine after that,” Gurley said of getting hit, via ESPN. “It definitely felt good to just be back out there on the field again.”
The Rams predictably kept the rookie’s carries to a minimum. Gurley toted the ball just nine times for six yards as St. Louis’ offense could get nothing going on the ground or otherwise.
Despite the lackluster start to his career, Gurley said he didn’t feel rusty. However, the back admitted it’ll take time before he’s back to full speed.
“It’s just the first game,” Gurley said. “I’ve got to get in the groove of things.
“I feel like I’ve still got the explosiveness. I definitely didn’t get to show it today but like I said, we’ll pick back up on things and try to get things rolling next week.”
As we witnessed Sunday, the Rams need a playmaker with the ability Gurley displayed in college to carry the offensive load for a team that lacked an identity in Week 3. Expect the rookie’s work to increase steadily each week.
wvParticipantWe saw last week how much this offense is going to struggle.
We saw this week how good the defense can be.
So this week shows a lot more promise than last week.
Heck most people had written off the Pitt. game in advance as a blow-out.
Cigz and Boras are new at this, the OL is far more inexperienced than most anyone can name and I mean in NFL history, and I said before the season that Foles would need at least decent OL play and a running game to play well. That means a struggling offense.
(Actually what I said was that Foles would need a relatively healthy OL and a running threat. But the point is that a line with multiple simultaneous injuries cannot play effectively, and since a young OL with 2 rookies and a green LOT can’t play effectively … at first … either, it’s 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.)
So the defensive play was encouraging. The offense in the redzone when they could have taken the game? Annoying. (Especially since redzone offense was previously a strength with this team, except when Hill was qb.)
When I see a mix of encouraging and disappointing things, I just ask which one looks structural and longterm. Are the disappointing things incurable? My answer is no. Are the encouraging things ephemeral or real? I say real.
Unless some key injuries de-rail them I still see a winning season.
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This is prettymuch my view as well.
Even if they go 1-4 and lots of fans are
lighting torches and marching on the castle — i ‘still’
think they might just have time to turn it around this
season. I just see too much talent for this to
play out like SOSAR. I just dont see it playing
out that way — barring injuries.I think the caterpillar will rise
to the top. Or somethin.
I think. I dunno.w
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wvParticipantRams must take care of the football against Arizona and they’ll have a chance. Kaepernick threw 4 ints against their defense–two went for touchdowns. If they play typical sloppy offense–they’ll get blown out. Cards also had a pick 6 against Chicago so this team can return those ints. Make the Cardinals EARN it against our defense. The Cards have not been tested by a great defense yet. The Rams will give them their biggest challenge there–but if the offense stumbles, gives up ints and turnovers, it’ll be a long day.
The Rams CAN beat this team.
But it depends on whether the good defense shows up and if the offense doesn’t go into meltdown.
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Well if I’m not mistaken, Arians/Palmer are just gonna
say screw the pass-rush, ATTACK with passes all over
the field – short, medium, deep, middle.It might be strength against stength. Ya know.
Rams Pass Rush vs Cards Pass-attackw
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wvParticipantAgreed.
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wvParticipantMyth: a cocoon and a chrysalis are the same thing. In fact, the chrysalis is a butterfly pupa, which is a hard skin which appears after the caterpillar’s final shedding of its skin when it’s attached to a leaf via a silk pad spun by the caterpillar. A cocoon is just a constructed silk casing used by moths and certain other types of insects.
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/04/a-cocoon-and-a-chrysalis-are-not-the-same-thing/
Ok, well that confused me, more than i already was.
A cocoon and a Chrysler are different? Like
we needed a scientist to explain that? Geez.Anyway, back to my meta4 — do you think the Rams
are more like an emerging Chrysler or Dodge Dart?Oh, and as to NERam’s post, all i can say is
the Past is the Past. This is a new team
with a new QB and new talent, and perhaps,
a different future. Perhaps.w
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wvParticipantIf I was a betting man, I’d put all my available funds on the Cardinals covering at home. I see pain in the desert.
I dunno. The Rams were one play away from beating Pitt.
And Arizona is not going to intimidate them; I mean, its a division foe
so they know them well.I could see the Rams hanging in there and knocking Carson
out, and maybe stealing an ugly win. I aint predicting
it, but I could see it happening.I know what the rams have ‘been’ but I am not quite
sure what they can ‘become’ this season. I know posters
are mad and disgusted and all — but my gut/mind still
sees a caterpillar struggling to emerge from the cocoon.
Ya know. A spiny, slimy, striped caterpillar. Emerging.
Slowly. Just my opinion. I know others see it
differently.…wait….do caterpillars emerge from cocoons or
is that moths. What do caterpillars emerge out of?
I forget. I’m confused. Nevermind.w
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wvParticipant…oh, and the Cards are favored, at home, by 6.5 over
the Rams.We have them right where we want them.
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wvParticipantOn if the false starts in the fourth quarter by the offensive line were possibly caused by the noise of the Steeler fans)
Foles:“Yeah, I mean when we were in a red zone situation, it was getting pretty loud. They travel well. It’s a historic franchise. Everybody knows about their fans. You could probably go all around the world and there’s Steeler fans. They traveled well, but our fans were loud too throughout the day, so it was evenly matched. (I’m) thankful for our fans coming out as well.”
(On if he felt like he was playing in a bowl game with the noise from both sets of fans)
“Yeah, it is. It’s definitely a weird dynamic. It’s just something you deal with through the course of the game and just part of it.”
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wvParticipant(On if the Rams had to go to a silent count due to opposing team crowd noise)
“We did a little bit, down at the goal line. They travel great, they really travel great. So we welcome them. Hey, when the game started to swing in our favor, our fans got loud. So it’s good.”
———————–Are you kiddng me? They had to go to a silent count
in their own building?Sigh
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wvParticipantAnybody have anything to say about Gurley?
Didn’t look very explosive from
what little i saw.w
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wvParticipantIt was good to see the defense turn things around. They gave up one longer run in the 2nd half, but were mostly solid vs the run.
The Rams running game is shockingly bad. Whether they try to spread things out while running sideways before cutting up field, or just going straight up field it seems like defenses have guys waiting in the backfield as soon as the RB has the ball.
Foles made a terrible decision to throw the ball on the INT, or he really didn’t see Allen, or both, or whatever.
Well, why do you think they can’t run the ball? Any ideas?
Why cant they execute long drives using a balanced offensive attack?w
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