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    There’s a lot of tip-toe-ing and ‘balancing of interests’
    talk going on now.
    (and there’s lots to balance — San Diego,
    Oakland, St.Louis, LA, the NFL, season ticket sales, etc etc)

    Exactly WHEN are we gonna know something concrete?
    Is there a time-table here? Some dates
    where something has to be decided?
    Or is everyone going to be in limbo
    all during the offseason and season?

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    There is no set in advance target date in 2015 that would change anything.

    Doesn’t mean things won’t change or clarify or whatever…but there is no set in advance time it must happen by.

    well damn

    weird team, weird year

    Do you think it will affect
    the play on the field?

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    There’s a lot of tip-toe-ing and ‘balancing of interests’
    talk going on now.
    (and there’s lots to balance — San Diego,
    Oakland, St.Louis, LA, the NFL, season ticket sales, etc etc)

    Exactly WHEN are we gonna know something concrete?
    Is there a time-table here? Some dates
    where something has to be decided?
    Or is everyone going to be in limbo
    all during the offseason and season?

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    yeah. the rams should be publicly owned. screw these billionaire owners.

    So, u are calling for revolution,
    then?
    “Free the Rams!” ?

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    It would be nice if every team was owned publicly like Green Bay.

    How the hell did that ever happen, btw?

    Community ownership
    Main article: Green Bay Packers, Inc.
    The Don Hutson Center

    The Packers are the only community-owned franchise in American major league professional sports.[25] Rather than being the property of an individual, partnership, or corporate entity, they are held in 2014 by 360,584 stockholders. None is allowed to hold more than 200,000,[2] approximately 4% of the 5,011,557 shares[26] currently outstanding. It is this broad-based community support and non-profit structure[27] which has kept the team in Green Bay for nearly a century in spite of being the smallest market in all of North American professional sports.

    The city of Green Bay had a population of only 104,057 as of the 2010 census,[28] and only 600,000 in its television market, a fraction of the average NFL figures. The team, however, has long had an extended fan base throughout Wisconsin and parts of the Midwest, thanks in part to playing one pre-season and three regular-season home games each year in Milwaukee through 1995. It was only when baseball-only Miller Park preempted football there that the Packers’ home slate became played entirely in Green Bay.

    There have been five stock sales to fund Packer operations over the team’s history, beginning with $5,000 being raised through 1,000 shares offered at $5 apiece in 1923. Most recently, $64 million was raised in 2011-2012[29] towards a $143-million Lambeau Field expansion. Demand exceeded expectations, and the original 250,000 share limit had to be increased before some 250,000 new buyers from all 50 U.S. states and Canada purchased 269,000 shares at $250 apiece, approximately 99% online.[26]

    Based on the original “Articles of Incorporation for the Green Bay Football Corporation” enacted in 1923, should the franchise to have been sold any post-expenses money would have gone to the Sullivan-Wallen Post of the American Legion to build “a proper soldier’s memorial.” This stipulation was included to ensure there could never be any financial inducement for shareholders to move the club from Green Bay. At the November 1997 annual meeting, shareholders voted to change the beneficiary from the Sullivan-Wallen Post to the Green Bay Packers Foundation, which makes donations to many charities and institutions throughout Wisconsin.[26]

    Even though it is referred to as “common stock” in corporate offering documents, a share of Packers stock does not share the same rights traditionally associated with common or preferred stock. It does not include an equity interest, does not pay dividends, can not be traded, has no securities-law protection, and brings no season ticket purchase privileges. All shareholders receive are voting rights, an invitation to the corporation’s annual meeting, and an opportunity to purchase exclusive shareholder-only merchandise.[27] Shares of stock cannot be resold, except back to the team for a fraction of the original price. While new shares can be given as gifts, transfers are technically allowed only between immediate family members once ownership has been established.[26]

    Green Bay is the only team with this form of ownership structure in the NFL, which is in direct violation of current league rules stipulating a maximum of 32 owners per team, with one holding a minimum 30% stake. The Packers’ corporation was grandfathered when the NFL’s current ownership policy was established in the 1980s.[30] As a publicly held nonprofit, the Packers are also the only American major-league sports franchise to release its financial balance sheet every year.
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    Former Rams Players, Coach Sound Off on Relocation Talk
    Brendan Marks posted on January 30, 2015 17:25

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    CBS Sports 920’s Joe Roderick and Jay Randolph Jr. were in Arizona this week for Super Bowl XLIX and spoke to several former Rams players and coach Dick Vermeil.

    The subject of the possibility of the Rams leaving St. Louis came up repeatedly, and we wanted to share each of their thoughts on the topic. Feel free to click on each person’s name to listen to their complete interview.

    Marshall Faulk: “I haven’t spoke on this in this manner yet, but I’m going to say it. I’m disappointed that the powers to be in the city of St. Louis waited until now to make a proposal,” Faulk told Joe Roderick and Jay Randolph Jr. “If I was (Rams owner Stan Kroenke), I’d be just as upset. Why do you wait so long? And now we’re looking at this man like ‘oh please don’t take your team.’ It’s a business. That’s how the Rams got there.”

    Kurt Warner: “I’m a St. Louis guy and being that the St. Louis Rams are synonymous with a huge part of my history, I want the Rams to stay in St. Louis. I’m also realistic and understand the connection to LA. I understand how it’s a natural fit to take the Rams back there because when we were going good in St. Louis and we’d go out to LA, we’d have a million fans there that followed us. If you’re a player that played in the history of St. Louis, it’d be a shame if a team’s not in St. Louis. If you’re one of those fans that have been a part of that whole thing and, great sports town, to not have a team, I think that’s a travesty too. I just believe and hope that they stay in St. Louis. It’s unfortunate the way it looks like it’s going.”

    Torry Holt: “Selfishly I would love to see the team stay in St. Louis. We got some good history there. The city loves the Rams. They show us so much love when we go back. But I understand it’s a business. For Kroenke and a lot of these owners it’s the bottom line. I think moving to Los Angeles for obvious reasons makes sense to him. It’ll be interesting to see how that whole process shakes out. It won’t be an easy process. I know on my Twitter timeline the fans are going crazy.”

    Orlando Pace: “Anytime you get to where you win a Super Bowl in the community, all of your football memories are in St. Louis, it means something. You don’t want to be the St. Louis (football) Cardinals, who are really without a home. When we get together we want to be able to come back to St. Louis, celebrate as a team and do it in the community we won. I think everyone who played in St. Louis probably feels the same way.”

    Dick Vermeil: I would like to see them stay. I think Stan Kroenke will do what’s best for the team as a business and a team. To me that’s what they are now. If he sees it’s not going to be the best thing for the organization as a company, then they’ll go back there. I hope he doesn’t.

    Jack Youngblood: “I didn’t like (former Rams owner Georgia Frontierre) when she moved it to St. Louis. I understood why. I totally bought into that. The thing of the stadium is the big issue. To have a house that can fascilitate a franchise and a Super Bowl. I see where Kroenke is going…I think the govenor of Missouri should be given at least a chance to listen to what he wants to do.” (Youngblood talks more about St. Louis stadium situation)

    Adam Archuleta: “I grew up here in the desert…so when I went to St. louis it was a bit of a culture shock. And I got to be honest I didn’t like it, I didn’t enjoy it. But then as the years went on and especially when I left I started to say, ‘OK, that’s what was special about St. Louis, that is a really cool, really unique town.’ I wish I would’ve taken more advantage of playing there quite honestly. I think St. Louis is a great town. I think if the Rams do move to Los Angeles it would be unfortunate. I think the fans in St. Louis are great fans. I think they deserve a football team. But I also undertand the economic part of it as well. When you’re a business owner…if the city can’t compete…I do understand where they’re coming from. St. Louis certainly deserves a football team and they’re some of the best fans I’ve been a part of.”

    in reply to: On competitiveness #17707
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    You and I fundamentally differ in perspective here…

    “Being close” is a matter of improvement. It’s talent level, and somewhat more than that.
    But it’s a matter of taking incremental steps along a continuum leading, hopefully, to a breakthrough.

    And, see, I am asking different questions. As I keep saying, I saw this team learning to compete in Fisher’s 1st year. It happened ALMOST immediately. Remember how they “almost” beat DET in Game 1? …..

    That teamed learned to compete virtually immediately. Fisher SAID he could teach them, and then he did. They played like winners though their capability was still limited.

    That’s what I haven’t seen since. The team has “gotten better,” but its competitive discipline has regressed. It’s a much better team than the ’12 bunch, but has a worse record.

    So, most guys on this board raise the question of improvement. You say they are close to breaking through. Well, maybe they are. Maybe they aren’t.

    What I am saying is that breaking through won’t come from incremental improvement. It won’t come from raising the talent level. It COULD come from adding a genuine leader in competitiveness, though they’re hard to find. But I would say …

    1) We haven’t seen what I am talking about AT ALL in the last 2 years.
    2) We won’t see a breakthrough on the basis of improved talent.
    3) We’ll have no idea when the breakthrough is coming … until we see it in games that count and that matter.

    Well, hopefully at the very least I have been able to clarify HOW my view differs from the board consensus.

    Well, i am reading those words slowly
    trying to ‘get’ what you are saying.
    I’m not quite sure that your way of thinking
    ‘computes’ in my wv-brain. It almost
    sounds like you are talking about some sort of
    “intangible” thing. A ‘mental toughness” maybe.
    The kind of mental toughness we always associate
    with Belichick teams, maybe. I dunno.

    Anyway, all i can say is — Food for thought.

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    I’m expecting an outstanding game.
    Two best coaches, two best organizations.

    I’m real curious to see what Brady
    can do against that Seahawk secondary.

    I cant imagine this game being a blow out.
    Should be a great game.

    Seattle wins it with a long kick,
    of an over-inflated-ball
    in overtime.

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    wv wrote:
    I dont think the problem with the Rams
    is a lack of competitive spirit though.
    I dont see that.

    Interesting.

    I guess, by the way, that I failed to say what I intended. The post is not about competitive spirit.

    It’s about performance that competes effectively in the clutch, the zone where games and seasons are won and lost. It’s not measured with emotion or with individual plays, any more than a golf tournament can be won with a single shot or good round. It’s about measuring up to the test of winning and losing.

    Do you really see the Rams doing that? Honestly? Hmmmmmmmmm …

    Well, it’s clear that there isn’t much interest in this issue. Time to put this dead horse to rest.

    Well, i dunno. For one thing, i dont think
    we can compare golf to a team sport. Ya know.
    A team sport is so much more complicated.

    Do the Rams “compete effectively in the clutch?”

    Well, hell no. Not nearly often enough, LoL.

    But the reasons, imho, are the ones i listed
    in my other post.

    And i do think they are close. I expect
    a break out season next year. Because
    I think a lot of pressure on the offense
    will be relieved with some solid upgrades
    on the OLine. And yes, i think thats do-able
    and i think Snead can accomplish that. It
    cant be that hard to find a Center and a Guard.

    Let me ask you something RFL, would you fire
    Fisher at this point or give him another season?

    Also, what do YOU expect to see next season?
    I expect a ten win season or thereabouts. What
    do YOU expect?
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    in reply to: How many assistant coaches can you name? #17664
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    Mike Waufle

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    A young Rob Boras

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    in reply to: On competitiveness #17659
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    Excellent writing, RFL.
    I enjoyed reading that.

    I dont think the problem with the Rams
    is a lack of competitive spirit though.
    I dont see that.

    I see key injuries, youth, lack of depth,
    and bonehead-mistakes, mainly.

    We are all tired of the mediocrity
    though, thats for sure.

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    I don’t know, man. Maybe you should be more pissed at your politicians than at Kroenke. That’s a multi-billionaire businessman there, and St. Louis took him for granted, seems like. That stadium pitch was a year late. The Ed upgrade pitch was a complete bullshit waste of time.

    Food for thought.

    Yeah. I think that’s a fair assessment.

    I cant think of an
    Owner, i like.
    They remind me of the Gamesters
    of Triskalion

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjRLtYZB-2Q

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    Let’s look at it this way. You have a girlfriend. You’ve been in a committed relationship all along, but you just haven’t tied the knot. She says she wants to stay with you. But, she wants security, and you’re pretty happy the way things are. You realize that you have to do something more in your life to keep her, maybe get a better job, or sock away more money so you can buy a dream house for the two of you … somewhere really nice to raise a family. But, she’s stopped talking to you about the future, and maybe you think, well, she just needs to think more about what she wants, exactly.

    But, unknown to you, she’s met another suitor who has some really nice assets to offer her. She’s been socking away her own money, and plenty of it, and now she’s thinking about greener pastures. She doesn’t even come to you and tell you about her plans with this new suitor. You learn about it from some other people. You approach her, and she’s aloof and even avoiding your phone calls. What’s going on? Is the relationship over? She tells you that she wants to take day by day and see what happens.

    Not a perfect analogy, but pretty close to the STL-SK-LA triangle. The bottom line is that SK stopped working on the relationship with St. Louis, and while the St. Louis leaders could have done more to entice him to stay, they also were working on the assumption that SK can’t just up and move without trying to work out the stadium situation in St. Louis. He didn’t inform St. Louis at any time that he had no intention of working on a St. Louis stadium, but rather he was working on an L.A. plan. The St. Louis contingent was naive for thinking that SK would work with them, I guess, but it’s true also that NFL bylaws say that SK was SUPPOSED to give it the old college try before declaring that it couldn’t be done. After a disagreement on the dome upgrade, SK hasn’t worked with St. Louis leaders at all. They couldn’t even get him on the phone. The state’s governor couldn’t get him to return calls.

    So … it’s a double cross. And, here’s the thing: Every time I hear a St. Louis fan talk about the situation, their eyes are open now to what SK is doing. He’s moving forward and onward to LA, St. Louis fans be damned.

    It will make for an interesting year of lame duck football. I expect attendance to be pretty low. And, that will also play into SK’s favor, as well.

    I’m really down about the NFL because of this. I don’t know how much I’ll be invested in the league when the Rams move. I didn’t feel this way until now, really. My feelings continue to change, evolve, shift … and add the New England cheating stuff, and it’s just so obvious the NFL is full of crap. There is no integrity in this league.

    Good stuff, Dak.

    But…you started the relationship story without
    an analogy about how the girlfriend got to St.Louis
    in the first place….. take the story back to 1994, 1993, etc. 🙂

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    in reply to: Plays that shaped Rams' season: No. 4 #17637
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    To earn beneficial officiating a team has to … start winning. And it has to do that BEFORE it starts getting good calls. This is a universal principle of sports. To be winners, a team must overcome bad officiating. Hell, even winners get bad calls.</P>
    <P>This is the thing about our lack of competitiveness. When we get a bad break, we fold. We just collapse. You know, these big plays against us on D–they didn’t decide the game. They just faced us with adversity which we have consistently proved unable to overcome. You know that feeling we all get–one play and we feel it slide away? We feel that because it keeps happening. Indeed, the fact that one could say that a bad break in the 2nd Q could cause us to lose … that whole idea rests on the assumption that we would be unable to overcome it in a whole half of football. A correct assumption, BTW.</P>
    <P>See, winners don’t think that way. They absorb blows, limit the damage, and figure how to win. That’s what it means to be a winner. You don’t let bad calls in the 2nd Q crush you. </P>

    yes, I understand about the need of overcoming adversity and bad officiating…. But it’s tough to do with a 3rd string QB or a QB that has been a journeyman back up most of his career…(not to mention with the youngest roster in the league) There is a reason why those guys are 3rd string or journeyman back ups,,…..You can’t necessarily blame that on coaching, because based on the data the RAMS had in preseason, they chose the most optimal route.

    1) You had a ROY QB coming off his best season before he got hurt in Carolina in 2013…. A QB that also played well in 2012….
    what did you want the Rams to do to prep for a 2nd ACL injury on their starting QB in 2014 that would have prevented this?…sign Mark Sanchez instead of Hill? Draft Manziel? what would you have done different?

    If you think they couldn’t overcome adversity this season, they did a few weeks later in Santa Clara against this same SF team…..

    You can’t say that a team playing with 2nd stringer and 3rd QBs while missing Chris Long that defeated Denver, Seattle, and SF, lacks competitiveness…..they certainly didn’t win those games based on talent, but maybe it was coaching.

    Well, as i’ve said before,
    the 2014 Rams were the “weirdest”
    Ram team, I’ve seen in my 40+ years
    of watching’em.

    I mean, pick an adjective.
    Any adjective, and it’ll be true
    in some sense, of the team last season.
    They were all kinds of stuff.
    A mixed bag of weird stuff.

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    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12244290/ex-quarterback-jeff-blake-deflating-footballs-common

    PHOENIX — Former NFL quarterback Jeff Blake says he oversaw the deflation of footballs on the sideline right before games during his career. Speaking on “The Midday 180” out of Nashville, Blake said the practice was common.

    “…”I’m just going to let the cat of the bag, every team does it, every game, it has been since I played,” Blake said. “‘Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can’t feel the ball as well. It’s too hard. Everybody puts the pin in and lets just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it’s not the point to where it’s flat.

    “So I don’t know what the big deal is. It’s not something that’s not been done for 20 years.”

    Many other NFL quarterbacks have said the opposite, that the…

    “As soon as they give them the balls,” Blake said. “On the sideline before the game. The quarterbacks would come out to warm up in pregame … I would just say, ‘Take a little bit out, it’s a little bit hard.’ And then they’d take a little bit out and I’d squeeze them and say ‘That’s perfect.’ That’s it.”…see link..”

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    I think we talked about this during the season.

    The key to beating the Rams defense is sticking with the run.

    True, but I think the simple list of Points Against the Defense
    shows a nice trajectory. Nice improvement by the D. I mean
    the D played well enuff to win eight of the last nine. Certainly
    at least seven of the last nine.

    10
    17
    7
    20
    0
    0
    12
    37
    13

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    wv wrote:
    True, rfl, but its also true that there was a trajectory on defense.
    It got better. There were still some awful mistakes in the second half
    of the season, but i dont see you acknowledging that there WAS
    a trajectory of improvement. Which might lead to optimism. Yes?

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    LOL. My friend, I agree. We need to see all sides of the situation. I guess I feel that’s what I am trying to do.

    Let’s just look briefly at the question of a trajectory of improvement. Was it there?

    Well, yes. It would be foolish to deny that the defense wasn’t playing better in that shutout streak than it was weeks 1-5.

    But then recall that the trajectory slipped and eroded again in the last few games. AZ came in with a beat up offense and we let them run steadily enough to outscore us. I thought that we slipped in that game. Then, the NYG game was a reversion to our worst habits. And the SEA game again featured, if I recall, a late collapse.

    As I say, ALL of it counts.

    And by the way, there are trajectories and there are trajectories. They were still playing lousy defense IN WEEK 5! There was little indication of anything more than a month into the season.

    Then, a few weeks later they are playing at historical levels.

    In my view, that is not a normal trajectory of improvement. That’s weird.

    And, it has to be in context. It was the 2nd year in a row in which essentially the same guys started out horrible, got better, and then faded out again down the stretch. If we are going to assess the organization, we need to look at why a defense expected to be very good in ’13 started poorly, recovered, looked to be great in ’14, AGAIN started poorly, improved, then AGAIN fell off late.

    Is that “trajectory” one to build optimism on? Well, optimism is a subjective state, and each guy chooses for himself.

    For me, I try to look at it all. And what I see gives me hope and lingering concern.

    Of course, it is great to see flashes of greatness in the unit. As a fan I HOPE that this becomes the norm for our defense.

    But right now, it isn’t for me an EXPECTATION. Because, as the talent has risen, the two constants have been inconsistency and competitive slackness. Apart from a few games, I have not seen a MONEY defense over 2 seasons. As the article says, this has been true in wins as well as in losses.

    So, here are my keys looking forward. You can decide whether they add up to optimism or not.

    * The talent is fine. Exciting. Good enough for an elite defense.
    * We need to stop or at least contain the run 90% of the time, as good defenses do. Teams cannot game plan to run on us because we are so vulnerable to cutbacks and big plays.
    * The schemes have to stop blitzing recklessly and playing soft coverage. Conceding the chains does far more damage than a few long passes.
    * The unit needs to get more stops and get off the field.
    * We need to concede fewer than 20 points in all but a very, very few games. (I know–scores of turnovers count there!)
    * The defense needs to prove that it can consistently get stops with the game on the line.
    * None of the above is a matter of getting a couple guys at positions X, Y, and Z.
    * We need to start playing consistently tough football, whatever our talent level.
    * And we need to do so on the freaking field in league games that count.

    When I see us doing the above–all of which, by the way, is frequently accomplished by limited but tough defenses not as talented as ours–THEN I will become genuinely optimistic.

    To this point, the improvement I’ve seen adds up to a competitive minus. Sadly.

    Well, I’m not sure I agree that the Rams defense faded significantly
    At the end of the year. The Giant game was a defensive disaster for sure.
    But the Arizona and Seattle games? I thought the Defense played
    “well enough to win” if the offensive line and QB had played solid.

    All in all, I think the trajectory on DEFENSE
    was much different than in the first coupla months.

    The last game was in Seattle – the hardest place to play in
    the NFL – and the Rams D game up 13 points.
    (Irvin returned an INT for a TD in the 4th quarter you will recall)
    It was the Rams offense – Oline+QB – that got outplayed.
    The Rams rushed for 42 yards, passed for 203.
    Again, the problem was the Oline and QB.

    Against the NYG, the defense gave up 30+ points,
    128 yards rushing and 386 passing to Eli. Total defensive meltdown.
    Odell Beckham 8 for 142, R.Randle 6 for 132
    Williams had 26 rushes 110 yards.

    Arizona – Cards got 12 points.
    Stanton had 131 yards passing. 143 yards rushing.
    Yes, the D didn’t stop the run, but its also true it bent and bent
    And didn’t break. The offense bent and bent and broke.

    QB – Oline – themz iz the problem. The defense was indeed ‘weird’
    and had some bad games, but overall it was certainly “playoff caliber”
    by midseason or so. Not 85 Bear caliber, but certainly in this age
    of passing and offense – it was “playoff caliber.”

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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>rfl wrote:</div>
    The issue for our defense is NOT about talent upgrades.

    Unless of course what needs to be upgraded is Jenkins. Precisely because of the mistakes.

    For example, Ogletree was a bit of a mess early on and then settled down. Jenkins never did.

    And in fact if you go through the season, the game-killing mistakes on defense aren’t coming from everybody. They are coming from a specific set of guys (mostly Jenkins and McCleod).

    So maybe it is personnel. And maybe those 2 will either improve or it turns out they can’t play in this defense.

    Well, see, I am not just talking about a couple of deep balls.

    I am also talking about the schizophrenic fluctuations of our run defense, which looks like a HS d-front one minute and like BALT in its heyday the next. Something which is not a problem for Jenkins who, I think, supports the run well for a corner.

    I’m talking about soft coverages that give up effortless 3rd down conversions.

    I’m talking about wildly gyrating levels of competitiveness across the board.

    And, by the way, Ogletree was himself wildly up and down this year. He had horrible games and then games where he played like an All Pro.

    The UNIT as a whole is profoundly inconsistent. That has to change.

    What

    True, rfl, but its also true that there was a trajectory on defense.
    It got better. There were still some awful mistakes in the second half
    of the season, but i dont see you acknowledging that there WAS
    a trajectory of improvement. Which might lead to optimism. Yes?

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    Yeah JJ is an odd player. So much physical quickness and talent
    but is he a liability in the long run? Can they ever
    count on him to be reliable? Can you win playoff game
    after playoff game with a corner like JJ ?

    Sure would be nice if they could find
    another EJ Gaines late in the draft.

    To catch the Seahawks they are gonna
    have to find a diamond or two
    in the later rounds or in the UDFA poool,
    i would think.

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    Jim Thomas ‏@jthom1
    Just FYI, was told that second interview with Rams and Nathaniel Hackett did not take place today. But Rams are planning 2nd interview. . . .with Hackett for OC job and it may take place later this week.

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    The drought is actually going to be a big deal this summer. We’ve gone a few years with subnormal snow. The bottom picture is a more accurate level of where we are right about now because we had some rain in November and December (I drove past the lake a month ago, and it’s more like the last picture). But we is in for some trouble in Cali.

    Ok, is this the thread where we talk about the
    big earthquake that is supposed to dump California
    into the Ocean?

    Because I hope Kroenke has accounted for that.

    Ya know. Maybe an inflatable stadium or somethin.

    We only had an inch of snow in appalachia, btw.
    But it was odd because it was shaped like
    little pasta shells and wheels and rigatoni’s.
    Is this the thread for discussing snow
    shaped like pasta?

    Ok, Go Rams.

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    Another snippet on spying, fwiw:

    “…Jimmy Johnson also confessed to having interns rifle through the press box trash in search of notes that might have been discarded by opposing coaches. Also, ESPN’s Mike Ditka spoke of George Halas bugging locker rooms and George Allen videotaping practices…”

    “….Also, there was that “winning a Super Bowl while cheating on the salary cap” thing…”

    http://www.examiner.com/article/memo-to-new-england-patriots-haters-it-s-time-to-drop-the-whole-spygate-thing

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    I’d like to see a journalist do a real good piece
    on cheating in football. I looked around and there is very
    little written on it. There’s little hints here and there
    that its been going on for a long time in various ways,
    but apparently nobody has done a big in-depth article on it.
    I’m sure the NFL doesnt want to see one, either.

    I’d just like to see the deflate thing and the spying thing
    put in context

    DV mentions a ‘spy’ who dressed up as a painter
    http://www.rams-news.com/could-the-greatest-show-on-turf-beat-the-current-seahawks-defense-vermeil-audio/
    and reported to a Dallas coach. And ive posted
    about George Allen hiring a spy to spy on Dallas.

    I just wish i had a better idea of the big-picture.
    The context.

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    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?177825-NFL-investigating-Broncos
    McD = Belichick ??? (Merged)

    I was afraid of this………..

    TAPING PRACTICES IS NOTHING NEW

    Regardless of whether the Patriots did or didn’t videotape the Rams’ walk-through practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI, it’s not the first time that such allegations have been raised.

    As Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports wrote in the days following the discovery that the Pats were taping defensive coaching signals during a Week One game against the Jets, the Broncos were suspected at one time of secretly videotaping Chargers practices.

    Wrote Cole: “The San Diego Chargers increased their security several years ago at a hill overlooking the practice field at the team facility during weeks when they played the Denver Broncos. Why? It turns out Broncos coach Mike Shanahan had been hiring spies to videotape the Chargers practices. The NFL had been aware of it for several years (at least one NFL official had seen one of the tapes), but didn’t step in because it was considered a team issue.”

    Such stories tend to support the rumor that Patriots coach Bill Belichick included with the materials surrendered to the league extensive evidence of cheating by other teams.

    Further bolstering the belief that the Pats weren’t the only team doing what they were caught doing are the comments of former Cowboys and Dolphins coach Jimmy Johnson. The Boston Herald has posted the transcript of a WFAN interview that we first mentioned on September 29, during which Johnson said that the videotaping of defensive coaching signals was a widespread practice.

    “I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league,” Johnson said on September 28. “Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you’re going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.”

    And this kind stuff is nothing new. Way back in 1967, Lee Grosscup wrote an item for Sport magazine that delved into the issue of spying in football.

    The bigger issue with what the Patriots did against the Jets is that the Pats continued to do something that the league had specifically told teams not to do, and that the Jets decided to make a sufficiently big deal about it that it set off a media firestorm.

    The staggering penalty applied to the Patriots ($250,000 fine and loss of a first-round pick) and coach Bill Belichick ($500,000 fine) created the impression that this really was a big deal, regardless of the fact that it had been going on for an extended period of time.

    And by hitting the Pats so hard, the league backed itself into a corner. If the videotaping of defensive coaching signals compels such a harsh sanction, evidence that such things have been occurring on a widespread basis would potentially shake public confidence in the sport.

    But at a time when folks are chasing (as we think they should) the question of whether the Patriots cheated in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI or any other postseason game since 2001, we think that resources and effort also should be devoted to exploring whether and to what extent there has been cheating by other teams.

    Maybe that’s why teams like the Steelers and Eagles aren’t willing to blame spying on losses to the Pats in the 2004 AFC title game and Super Bowl XXXIX, respectively. Maybe the problem in both cases isn’t that either of the teams within Senator Arlen Specter’s territory were the victims of skullduggery. Maybe the problem is that they didn’t take enough steps to prevent themselves from being victimized by practices that were an open secret prior to Week One of the 2007 regular season.

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    In that vid he talks about the fearsome foursome
    at the nine min mark.

    When he was traded to the Raiders
    from the Rams he played on an Oline
    with — FOUR hall of famers: Art Schell,
    Jim Otto, Gene Upshaw.

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    I think Bob Brown was the best of
    all of those allpros. And the rams traded
    him for next to nothing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Brown_%28offensive_lineman%29

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    Give that guy a Jimmy Kennedy and a Johnny Manziel and see how long that philosophy goes unammended.

    Pete Carroll might not miss Harbaugh

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    Just a quote from Tomsula,
    i thot was interesting:

    http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/1/17/7525283/jim-tomsula-coaching-philosophy-49ers/in/7313196
    “How do I know where you’re at and where you’re going unless I talk to you, and you let me know where you’re at, what you feel, and your thoughts. So now, if we can open that up, now you’ll tell me, you’re the player, I’m the coach. You’ll tell me where I need to go in coaching you. You’ll tell me how I can help you. And a big thing for me, I firmly believe a coach works for the player. Demand your coaching. Now, there’s structure, there’s a chain of command, we’ve all gotta stay with that, or you have chaos. OK, so, it’s built in a structure environment, but coaches essentially, what do I do? My job is to help my players perform better on Sunday. That’s game day. So, everything we do is to maximize a player’s ability, and his value on Sunday, within a team concept.”

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