waterfield wrote:

“Generally speaking things breakdown
along the usual political lines. They just do.
Ya got tons and tons of rightwing writers saying
“its not political, and even if it is, its accurate”

Sorry WV I don’t buy it-not for minute. I personally know “tons and tons” of very liberal people-including my son, wife, friends, etc-that think this entire discussion is silly. Most everyone I know, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, agree that it’s a true story about a single soldier’s torment. It’s not about the morality of the war But since its based on a true story it was about Iraq. The immorality of that particular war-as shared by my son, wife and all my very liberal friends, including myself is for another movie. Now maybe to some we are all just very shallow.

Personally, I think there are people who will view art-in whatever form-and use it as a vehicle to promote a particular political viewpoint-be it race, war, religion, etc. notwithstanding the intent of the artist.

BTW: a Threshold question: have either you or ZN actually seen the movie? Or just read from commentaries that you happen to agree with?

After all these posts, I dont think you can accurately summarize zn’s position.
(which i share)

Which means, at this point, i dont see any point
in writing anything more than
“agree to strongly disagree”.

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• This reply was modified 10 years, 1 month ago by wv.

rfl wrote:

I agree that this is a silly column.

There are some parallels, but what Bernie doesn’t refer to here is the vast gulf between the SEA FO and the Shaw/Zygmunt insanity. Our SB loss revealed the rotten foundations on which the GSOT was built.

Martz was a great OC. He was a questionable HC and a lousy talent evaluator. All of that could have been fine on a team grounded by a quality GM running a sound ship. We were being run by the Keystone Kops. And, actually, the folly of our “leadership” is revealed in Bernie’s assertion that they never forgave their HC for losing a close game. Who does that? People who don’t know the game. I dunno if Bernie is right or wrong. But the assertion sounds plausible because those morons didn’t get the first thing about football.

By contrast, SEA is run by one of the sharpest GMs in the game. I see no indication that that foundation is rotten enough to be shattered by one game.

Of course, it IS possible that Pete may have some problems with his players. We’ll see how much credibility he has built up with them. I would think that they’d settle down and it would all be fine. But, lingering effects are possible.

But let’s imagine the worst. Pete loses the locker room. They fire him. OK, the stream of talent won’t stop as long as the GM is running a capable ship. They’ll be an attractive gig for a really good coach. The organization has a great chance to keep chugging along as the Whiners did under Siefert.

In general, I think Carroll is taking a lot of unfair heat. I figure the call was fine. A pick was really unlikely. An Inc, for example, would have been fine. Trust your top 10 QB to run the play without losing the game, and it’s a good call. That is, it’s perfectly defensible.

And yet …

I loathe Pete Carroll. His arrogance and faux-boyish emotionalism are irritating. I understand that he has some program called “Win Forever.” That sort of arrogance calls for a correction. Glad to see it happen.

Well, they have four guys in the secondary that are injured
and i think they all may need surgery. I dunno,
but that might mean they cant really work out and stay
sharp in the offseason. Might be a drop off in the
effectiveness of the Legion of Boom next year.
We’ll see.

I dont loathe Pete Carroll anymore. I dunno why
but he’s grown on me for some reason. Especially
now that every celebrity-pundit in the Universe seems to think
he blew the super bowl.

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Zooey wrote:

Oh, they already have fallen apart. It’s over for that team.

From what I’m hearing, they aren’t even really talking to each other anymore, or even holding practices.

Yeah, i heard M.Lynch isnt even
speaking to anyone anymore.

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zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Zooey wrote:</div>

Reminds me of an old college teacher of mine. Richard “Red” Watson. By the time these photos were taken he was Richard “Gray” Watson.

At the bottom of the Pierre-Saint Martin, once the deepest cave in the world. (Photo by F.-M. Callot)

Fisher has hired a cave explorer
as Offensive Coordinator?

See, this cant be good.

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Zooey wrote:

But…if the Davis family ends up owning the Rams, it will take me a long time to climb out of my depression.

Hole-Lee-Shit. Dont even say that.
Dont think it, and dont type it.

Geezus-h-christ.

Let a thousand flowers bloom,
except for that one.

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I don’t really understand how you can think there’s no contract penalty
when he’s been playing for less than a million and now he’ll be playing
for fifteen million. I mean, thats a fourteen million dollar
penalty they way i look at it. Thats fourteen million dollars
they would have been able to spend on other players and now they cant.
Maybe this is just semantics, i dunno.

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Mackeyser wrote:

I disagree with the basic premise of the analysis.

Pete Carroll/Darrell Bevell got too cute by half. Take the TO if you have to and go heavy and run it in, but do NOT throw it into traffic.

On the other play at the end of the half, Wilson threw it where either it would have been caught, tipped out of bounds or incomplete. There were 3 Pats around that ball and only 1 Seahawk.

Even going heavy, the Pats had struggled to stop the Seahawks in the 2nd half. Was dumb not to call the TO and reset.

I dunno. Folks seem to think bad things can happen with a pass
but nothing bad can happen with a run. But the Pats were stacked
for Run-defense. And the Beast could have lost two yards. Then
its third and two-and-a-half.

After watchin it twenty times in slo-mo,
I blame Martz.

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jim, i was ready Bernies article about Faulk comments about the team and owner. I laugh at Bernies little rant against faulk…. st louis signed the contract to the dome and have known about the contract and did nothing till the last minute only after the ruling came out that st louis was in the wrong… dang… what a surprise they have to honor there part of the deal… Ive been a ram fan for 45 years and haven’t missed a game on tv since 1997. Hate to see them move but business is business and st louis did business poorly…. thanks for the chats and keeping us up on things.. we all appreciate it
simdoc 4:38 PM*

One, you have to go through the arbitration process. Two, Peacock has been working on this behind the scenes for well over a year. Three, LA has done next to nothing for 20 years to get a stadium. Four, San Diego has been at it for 15 years. I could go on. So you’re telling me St. Louis gets a year, a year and a half to meet Stan Kroenke’s schedule? Not the league’s schedule. But Stan Kroenke’s? Sorry. No sale. Obviously, Faulk’s entitled to his opinion, but he should stick to his area of expertise: the game of football.
jthomas 4:42 PM*
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Its interesting how people have different ideas about
time-frames. JT sets the relevant time frame at “a year or a year and a half”.
But couldnt you argue that for years and years, the St.Louis folks have known this
issue was coming. And they did nothing?

I think both sides have points.

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Seahawks offense stayed true to form on last Super Bowl pass
http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2025607820_seahawksjenks03xml.html
…

…“Who was asking about the passing stats?” Carroll asked. “Who was that guy? Who was that?…This game of football has always been about the physical side of it, the aggressive, physical, take-care-of-the-ball mentality. We close the loop on toughness by being a running team. The circle of toughness wouldn’t be there if we were throwing the ball.”…

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I just find it interesting that the headline is
about his arrest for trying to buy sex
but oh, btw, buried in the article
there’s also two assault charges.

w
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i didnt interpret it
as a “bad call.”

Lynch coulda been stopped
for a two yard loss, etc.

…anyway, the good thing is this will haunt
seahawk fans, players and coaches for eternity.
Bad thing is, it makes the Pats organization
the best ever, i would think.

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• This reply was modified 10 years, 1 month ago by wv.
• This reply was modified 10 years, 1 month ago by zn.

Hawks 30
Pats 24

w
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Holy shit. You don’t read that kind
of article about pro football everyday.

I shall save it.

There’s a lot of truth in there
swimming around in that kaleidoscope
of big-thots.

Btw, a minor point:
“The Rice assault would probably have disappeared down the memory hole like its dozens of predecessors
had it not been accompanied by the galvanic and undeniable reality of video…”

Thats always true. Nixon would still be prezident
had it not been for an electronic-record.

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PA Ram wrote:

Do you think it will affect
the play on the field?

w
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It could. But remember, JF has been through this before, AND he has a knack for creating “us against them” environments. So, he could make it the one team in existence that thrives off of not having a complete home field advantage.

Well, if it becomes obvious the rams are lame-ducks in St.Louis
and the fans stop showin up….can we still give the fans a nickname?
Like Seattle’s “12th Man” thing — ? What could we call them?

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The Invisible Man?

Ha. I love it. The Invisible Man

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The Invisible Man: The drugs I took seemed to light up my brain. Suddenly I realized the power I held, the power to rule, to make the world grovel at my feet.
(The Invisible Man 1933)