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wvParticipantWell I’d still like to know what round
those seven Free Agents were drafted in.But hey if you wanna be
all lazy about it thats fine with me.
Have a White Russian and sit in your
bathrobe and post on.Btw, to state the obvious just “getting a center”
doesnt mean the team got a “good one.”
I mean, maybe only the ones drafted in the
first and second rounds were “good”w
vWell the trick with that is, first just list the top 12 centers in the league, and see where they came from. Another way, which takes some waiting, would be to find who is replacing their centers. We already know the Giants are looking to do that.
I defend the “when you look for how a team acquired a player, FA is FA” approach, because otherwise, what you do is erase free agency as a category. The point is how teams acquire a player. So when the Rams signed Timmerman, they got a player through free agency, not by spending a draft pick. That;s a significant distinction.
The way I see the 1st round thing btw, is that all of the 1st round centers are good (Frederick, Pouncey, Mack, Mangold). But not all the good centers are first rounders. Either way I don’t think there’s a real 1st round center this year.
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Well i dont want to eliminate the ‘free agent’ category,
i just like to have more context about where
the players were drafted. That way, i can get a better
sense about how a free agent center is likely to do.
If the free agent centers who had been drafted below
the second round, all sucked — it tells me something.How do we know who the top ten or twelve centers are?
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vwvParticipantI guess this was the Injury Hierarchy:
1 Bradford
2 Wells
3 J.Long
4 B.Quick
5 C.LongFour of the five on offense
obviously.Imagine, the Seahawks or Patriots or Ravens
or Packers losing the equivalent starters
at those positions. What would their
records have been then?Think about it:
Starting QB
Starting Center
Starting LT
Starting top-WR
Starting DEI dunno. Cant see many
teams overcoming that, really.Granted, theres an argument
Snisher should have passed on
Jake, and should have drafted
Bridgewater, and should
have found some ‘quality’ depth
at center, etc.
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wvParticipantHow/where did teams get their centers?
Well I’d still like to know what round
those seven Free Agents were drafted in.But hey if you wanna be
all lazy about it thats fine with me.
Have a White Russian and sit in your
bathrobe and post on.Btw, to state the obvious just “getting a center”
doesnt mean the team got a “good one.”
I mean, maybe only the ones drafted in the
first and second rounds were “good”w
vFebruary 17, 2015 at 5:35 pm in reply to: Grayson, Hundley, Petty, Carden etc. … the qbs this year #18574wvParticipantYa know. If I’m a young talented high-school QB,
I’m gonna go play somewhere where the college coach
runs a pro-offense, if at all possible.It just seems like a huge advantage
when it comes time to take on the Pros.I think i read Russell Wilson went to
Wisconsin or wherever in part cause
it would help prep him for the Pros.w
vwvParticipantI think a good QB, staying healthy all year, solves nearly all of the Rams problems, including Tavon.
Exactly why they need to sign Geno Smith
and draft Kevin White.w
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February 17, 2015 at 1:38 pm in reply to: around the net this part of Fisher/Cigs interview is especially controversial #18564wvParticipantwv wrote:
Yeah. I dunno why those quotes would
bother anybody.w
vPeople took it as Bradford having a say in coaching hires, in general.
I took it as Fisher saying you ask the qb when you promote the qb coach, AND it’s good if the qb buys in (cause it wouldn’t be if the didn’t).
That doesn;t mean Bradford even met Hackett when Hackett came in.
Enh. Its a non-issue for me. I’ve read some of the
poster-commentary on it, and its not real persuasive
to say the least. Just another example of
us hardcore-crazy-ram-fanatix over-analyzing stuff 🙂Let a thousand ayahuasca vines bloom.
Thats what i say.w
vwvParticipantSure, LB is in play, i think. Not at 10, i wouldnt think
but if they can trade down and pick up an extra pick or somethin.This is definitely a different kind of draft
than we’ve seen since Fisher came in.
For the first time in years, the Rams dont
have more needs than they can fill. This
draft has a more narrow focus, it seems.If they can sign Britt and if Quick is
able to come-back, then they dont really
need to consider one of the top WRs who
may very well be the BPAs. They can
trade down, pick up a couple of OLinemen
, a QB and a LB. Sign a vet Guard or Center…After that it all depends on Bradford. 🙂
I’m excited. Hope Springs Eternal.
16-0, baby.w
vwvParticipantI’m reading “Hyperion” by Dan Simmons. I dont read much sci fi, but
when the local used-book-store was closing down, i asked the owner
and manager what some of their favorite books were. They all liked
Hyperion in the sci-fi field. So, i thot I’d read it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkTfOkw9NLc
—-“Seven people are chosen by the Church of Shrike and confirmed by the All Thing for the final pilgrimage to the Time Tombs on the outback world of Hyperion. Typically, those who make this trip do not return. And this time it is believed that the Time Tombs are about to open freeing the Shrike. To complicate matters, the Ousters are on their way to stage a war to take over the planet and the interstellar Hegemony is making plans to both evacuate and protect Hyperion.
Structured much like the Canterbury Tales,we learn the stories of each of the travelers…”
http://mostlyfiction.com/scifi/simmons.htm
————-The book makes a lot of “Best Sci Fi books Lists”
Number 51 on NPR’s list:
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-booksw
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“It occurs to me that our survival may depend upon our talking to one another.”
― Dan Simmons, Hyperion“The world as we know it is ending, my friends, no matter what happens to us”
― Dan Simmons, HyperionFebruary 16, 2015 at 6:27 pm in reply to: What American Sniper did is much, much worse than rewrite history #18530wvParticipantNot much here really, but I thot I’d post it for the heck of it:
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wvParticipantOne other vital piece of inside information
on Kevin White.I was scouting him in the foodcourt
on the downtown campus at WVU.
I was behind him in line at Taziki’s
Mediterranean restaurant
http://nutrition.tazikiscafe.com/
and he ordered
the Talapia Fish Feast.That has to
mean something.w
vwvParticipantHe just seems like a classic, physical, strong
pro WR.I just don’t think they will stay at 10 and pick a WR.
It would be fun to have three WVU receivers though.
w
vwvParticipantYes, yes he is, in part because of his own actions. In part because of a Browns organization that remains dysfunctional despite suckers like me thinking the team finally knew what it was doing.
The Browns are left with this frightening scenario. It’s not Manziel’s off-field disasters that are hurting him. It’s worse.
It’s that he might not be a good player. At all.
Well thats kinda what Greg Cossell thought
as i recall — the guy just wasn’t very good.w
vFebruary 16, 2015 at 10:32 am in reply to: NFc West teams's sack percentage against the Rams, 2012-14 #18516wvParticipantWell, so far,
if there’s any kind of “identity”
for this team — its the pass rush.Thats what all the national celebrity-tv-pundits
always talk about when they talk about the Rams:
The pass rush.Mix that with
Bonehead Mistakes,Injured OLines
and Second-string-QBs,
and you have the Rams
Identity.w
vwvParticipantCoachO
I think many are over-simplifying things when it comes to being able to “incorporate” Austin into the passing game. I know I am in the minority, but it just doesn’t make sense to me to focus so much on making him the “go to guy” in this offense, when he is so easily taken out of the offense by simply playing zone defense against him. Austin is a dynamic and elusive player when he is moving. He has the ability to cut and change direction unlike many, but when he is forced to “settle” in to a pocket of a zone, and STOP, he tends to be limited in his ability to get back up field.
I think Austin is okay with finding the soft spots in the zones. But he is no where close to having the “quicks” that an Amendola has in terms of changing direction. I have watched them try to run the same type routes in training camp, (arrow, option etc.) that Amendola was so effective running, with nowhere near the same results. In this past training camp, even TJ Moe ran those routes better than Austin.
If you look back at the games he excelled in his rookie year, you may have noticed that it came exclusively against MAN TO MAN coverage (Indy, Carolina, for example). Teams just don’t play man against the Rams very often.
Schottenheimer was able to exploit man coverage when they ran up against it. Be it Austin, or even Givens, they are the most successful on crossing routes, when they can be matched up in single (man) coverage.
Teams force Austin to “settle in” to the windows of the zone, catching the ball while STOPPED. The only effective alternative to that is underneath crossing routes, or bubble screens. But Austin is just too small to run the deep dig, and sending him on “9” routes just isn’t effective against 2-deep safeties. Again, he is just too small to win contested balls.
Forcing the ball to him, even with the Jet Sweeps, became very predictable, and less effective the more they tried.
IMO, for him to be effective, he has to rely on the others guys being more of a factor, (Quick, Britt, Cook) all becoming the focus in the intermediate passing game, which will open up the middle of the field for Austin. IF opposing LBs are forced to get deeper in their drop, it will give Austin more room on the underneath stuff.
Combine that with a successful running game, which makes the play action passing game go, it will now allow for Austin to run his routed BEHIND the LBs and in front of the Safeties.
But running “pick plays” against zone defenses just don’t work.
Will he improve? I would like to think he could. But his explosiveness is more in his straight line speed, not necessarily his change of direction and “stop and start”. When at top speed, his cutting and juking ability is incredible. But IMO, he just doesn’t have the same explosiveness as Amendola, Edelman and Welker in close quarters. Not to mention, he doesn’t have anywhere close to same consistent hands that the others possess.
I think that’s about the best single-post I’ve seen
on Tavon.I’m not sure i agree with all of it, but
its thought-provoking and i tend to agree
with most of it.Thing is though, I do think he can
run DEEPER routes. I think they have
to at least ‘try’ some of those routes
for him to be more effective.I think we ALL agree Tavon will be
more effective if the ‘rest’ of the
WR corp can effectively stretch
and threaten Defenses — so some of
the Tavon stuff will depend on
the QB, and Quick, and Stedman
and Britt.w
vwvParticipantThot this was inter esting. The Catholic Church is apparently
being nudged into noticing…um…the situation:http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/12/us-pope-environment-idUSKBN0LG28920150212
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vwvParticipantOuch.
Boy. You think about what the Rams got for the RGIII trade as opposed to one player from this draft. There are quite a few names on this list that there was strong sentiment for taking. And just imagine if the Rams had taken Blackmon or Richardson instead of making that trade. What a disaster.
Well, i had thought maybe they should draft RF3 and
trade Bradford for more picks.
I dunno how that woulda turned out
but at least we wouldnt be stuck with
an injury-prone QB.Yeah, i should be a GM.
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vwvParticipantBettis
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vwvParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
Relocation might be an issue
for some free agents, i suppose.IMO this is its own thread. Might spark interest. You okay with that? Up to you.
I really never care about the moving
of wv-posts.As long as they are not moved
to New Jersey.w
vwvParticipantwv wrote:
Relocation might be an issue
for some free agents, i suppose.
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LaramWe were doing some promos for the combine and I had an opportunity to speak with this player.
It’s an issue, at least for him.
Makes complete sense.
Less likely to matter to someone without kids.
Yeah, its totally dependent on each individual situation.
I mean, it might work the other way — a player might
not ordinarily sign with St.Louis but if he thinks
they are moving to LA, he might like that…etc, and so forth.w
vFebruary 14, 2015 at 4:59 pm in reply to: Fisher & Cignetti: transcript… 2/12…. + articles about the press conference #18464wvParticipant===================================
LaramFirst thing that I heard from Cig that I liked was his willingness to go off script and stay with something the defense cannot defend.
That’s something that use to frustrate me in the past. Stay with it until they stop it.
Secondly he told something about Shotty. He said the biggest difference between he and Shotty is that he wanted to be the OC (to coordinate everything) and would essentially let the OC take care of the qb.
Translation for ME: Shotty wanted to work very closely with the qb, and didn’t allow me to do my job.
I’m not sure how I feel about that. IMO the OC should work closely with the qb.
Cigs, sounds like he’s more of an operational guy.
That’s interesting to me.
February 14, 2015 at 4:55 pm in reply to: around the net this part of Fisher/Cigs interview is especially controversial #18463wvParticipantYeah. I dunno why those quotes would
bother anybody.w
vwvParticipantJ… Sounds like JT is letting some of his personal feelings about Kroenke mingle with his professional life.
Oh yeah. Thats been going on with a lot of the local St.Louis reporters
ever since the LA thing exploded.w
vFebruary 13, 2015 at 7:02 pm in reply to: Cignetti/Fisher press conference vid and tweets and stuff #18443wvParticipantDidn’t Harbaugh simiplify the 49ers Offense
when he came in? Yes? No?There’s pros and cons to it,
i guess.w
vFebruary 13, 2015 at 5:45 pm in reply to: What American Sniper did is much, much worse than rewrite history #18431wvParticipantA pretty good discussion.
Enh. I didn’t see anyone asking hard questions. It was a bit too fluffy for my taste.
And that tends to happen when Veterans are on the panel. Folks tend to tiptoe around the vets feelings, etc.I know you are a Vet, Pa, so we probably disagree on that. Just my opinion.
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vFebruary 13, 2015 at 5:29 pm in reply to: Cignetti/Fisher press conference vid and tweets and stuff #18430wvParticipantJT: “Another interesting thing: Rams plan to simplify offense reduce volume of playbook from Schottenheimer tenure.”
Interesting. I wonder if this is a “way of getting Tavon more involved”
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vFebruary 13, 2015 at 5:26 pm in reply to: Ask Dolphins, Titans why splurging on free agents is a losing strategy #18428wvParticipantDolphins record the last three years:
2012 7-9
2013 8-8
2014 8-8See, just ‘trying’ to hire
Fisher causes TFE:
“the fisher effect”w
vFebruary 13, 2015 at 5:17 pm in reply to: Ask Dolphins, Titans why splurging on free agents is a losing strategy #18425wvParticipantI get so tired of people–for example JT–looking at the FA class at QB and saying no one looks to move the needle. OK. But then Carson Palmer was not seen as a needle mover when AZ got him. But Ariens did pretty well moving the needle making good use of a solid, experienced QB even though his body is aging and vulnerable. To me, Carson Palmer disproves the over negative thrust of the article. You can do a lot with a solid, non-star vet filling a hole.
Well to me, Carson Palmer was a very good QB. Not a Manning, but he was known to be
a very good QB. The way i saw it, The only issue was health. I just dont
see a Carson Palmer in this year’s batch of free agent QBs. It really does
look like a terrible pool of veteran free agent QBs this year.The Draft though, is different. There are bound to be some good ones
in the college ranks. Gotta be. Is the personnel dept good enough to identify them?w
vwvParticipantzn wrote:
Lance Kendricks 27 1 38 71.1% 2.6%I will be really disappointed if we cut this guy.
I really don’t understand why he isn’t a fan favorite. Or trusted more by the coaches.
Well, i dunno. He’s kinda like Laurinaitis
in that he doesnt really make big splashy
plays that make you go “Wow.”w
vFebruary 13, 2015 at 9:19 am in reply to: Grayson, Hundley, Petty, Carden etc. … the qbs this year #18414wvParticipantRambill
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Jim Thomas @jthom1Food for thought? Jeff Garcia has worked w/East Carolina QB Shane Carden, whom Rams talked to at Senior Bowl.
More food for thought? Garcia has also worked w/free agent QB Mark Sanchez in the past.
======================Rams checking out East Carolina QB
January 23, 2015 10:15 am • By Jim Thomas[www.stltoday.com]
“….Carden, who has spoken with the Rams at the Senior Bowl, grew up in Newport Beach, Calif., but moved to Houston when he was 12. A little undersized at a shade under 6 feet 2, Carden has had some good moments on the practice field in Mobile, particularly when throwing on the run on rollouts and bootlegs.
In that sense his style is reminiscent to Jeff Garcia, a feisty four-time Pro Bowler who had a long and productive NFL career. Not only has Carden heard of Garcia and heard the comparison, he has trained with Garcia in California.
“I actually worked out with him this past spring,” Carden said. “He looked at me and he was like ‘Man, you could be my brother.’
“When we were working out, he was doing the drills. He was leading them, and he was getting after it. He can still spin it, man.”
wvParticipantWe still got Oliver ; i think he’s
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