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ParticipantFirst, there is a lot of heavy scrutiny on Foles right now, but the accounts I most agree with see a lot of his issues as coachable. Not just that they are correctable things, but it also depends on how you set him up in the offense and how they use him.
Second, either way, next year’s qb draft class is far better than this one. If they want another guy, this is the way to do it, IMO.
Third, FA qbs? Here’s a list (as always, if a guy isn’t re-signed and is available, it’s because there’s a problem):
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Cam Newton
Sam Bradford
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Matt Cassel
Ryan Tannehill
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Nick Foles
Kirk CousinsOk, well then i vote for
Andrew Luck.w
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ParticipantDamn. I dont remember Orlando being
that…i dunno…’articulate’ or forthcoming
or somethin.Orlando talking about the Super Bowl loss:
“I think our game plan should have been different”Orlando was critical of Shottenheimer’s use of Tavon.
“this guy is running him offtackle, LoL, lets send him DEEP…”This was a fun, fun interview. Outstanding. Both guys were funny.
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ParticipantThot this was an interesting post.
Not sayin i agree or disagree with it.w
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“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it.”
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DeadpoolThe Rams were in a no win situation with Bradford.
If he were to actually stay healthy and play moderately well, would the Rams try to re-sign him before the start of FA? Would you (meaning anyone reading this) pay Sam 17 mil per year for 6 years? After 1 decent year and all those years of injuries? I just do not think I could.
What if he gets injured behind whatever kind of OL Fisher and Snead put together this year? Another year with Keenum and Davis manning the QB position which means another losing season and with Bradford’s contract up starting over at the QB position in 2016.
Or IMO the worst case scenario, what if he plays the whole year, but plays poorly? Does he still have upside? Do you extend him? At what cost and what length of contract? Does he take the blame for his poor play or does it fall on the OL? It would be a total mess.
Even if Bradford goes onto having a full, great season with the Eagles, it wouldn’t matter to me. Why? Because I really don’t care what the Eagles do frankly. I care what the Rams do. Plus the debate will be: Is it Kelly’s system or Bradford that was the reason for Sam’s success or was it Fisher’s fault for not putting the pieced in place or having the wrong OC, etc, etc…
From the outside looking in, Chip Kelly’s offense needs a specific QB, and apparently Bradford is that type of QB. I’m not debating if he is or he isn’t. I don’t care. The Rams do not need a specific QB to win, they just need a QB that can: a) stay on the field and, b) manage a game without throwing it away. Davis and Hill literally threw games away.
Fisher needs to win and win now. He feels Foles gives him the best chance to do that. Do I trust his offensive decisions? Nope. Do I like Foles? IDK yet. Do I like the fact that the Rams gained a #2 next year and saved 13m to sign a couple of good defenders with money left for maybe some old, washed up OL? Yep, I sure do.
So Foles fails, the Rams end up at 5-11 or 6-10. What’s the next move? Well, there is still the draft this year to groom someone. There is FA again next year (and I have no idea who any FA QBs that could hit the market, but Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, RG3 lol, and Cam Newton are right now FAs), and a draft next year that I bet the 2 heifers I bought today will have a better/ deeper QB class then this year.
Cook, Hackenberg, Cardale Jones, Prescott, Goff, Keil, Hogan (yep, still not giving up on Hitch Hogan) And there are others. Carson Wentz is another name to look for.
And there is more then one way to pick up extra picks. Personally, I am still in the camp to trade as far back as humanly possible this year in the 1st round and try to acquire a 1st next year…
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ParticipantHerzog was making a crack on JT.
Cuz he was out of the loop on the Bradford trade.I see no reason to defend Her-zog.
Its a well-known fact he’s been a trouble-maker
in this quadrant of the galaxy for eons.
He’s brought down worlds. And boards. Heck
i remember the board-war he and RamRock started
on the old Grits-board. No…he’s up to something.
Bears watching.w
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“I am Wrath. I had neither father nor mother: I leaped out of a lion’s mouth when I was scarce half an hour old, and ever since I have run up and down the world, with this case of rapiers, wounding myself when I had nobody to fight withal. I was born in hell – and look to it, for some of you shall be my father.”
Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustuswv
ParticipantLaram dont think Foles is the answer.
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My hope is that Foles does extremely well, but I have some serious concerns.… the answer in my mind is if you’re getting rid of Bradford, upgrade.
They got a player that’s healthy, now…but is he better?
I don’t think so.
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The Rams apparently had options, for their were other team(s) that had interest in Bradford.The Rams chose Nick Foles as the catalyst for the trade.
I think they chose the wrong catalyst.
The Rams need a franchise qb. They still don’t have one.
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LaramWell considering my views of Nick Foles and what he brings to the table, I would have to consider several other options.
Let’s say Cleveland was one of the other teams with interest. They have two 1st rd picks, 12 and 19th.
Could the Rams have traded Bradford to them for their 12th pick, 19th?
Could they have then traded their 10th and 12th or 19th to move up for Winston?
Or how about IF as you say the 2016 qb class is better than 2015, stockpile picks for next year and play the season with your boy Keenum?
Or how about Bradford to Cleveland for Hoyer and one of their 1st rd picks?
How about making some calls around the league being proactive, instead of waiting for somebody to call you.
That’s what most teams do when they actually want to move a player.
I’m spit balling here but with some reasonable options IMO.
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http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/14/8135931/eagles-nick-foles-sam-bradford-trade-move-on-tape-all-22-film-rams
See link….here’s an excerpt…So why did the Eagles decide to move on from Foles? (links are GIFs to not slow down the page)
Early in his season he scrambled from clean pockets, threw off his back foot, did not see open receivers and his deep passes were poor. And his short passes too.
In the middle of his season he was better about scrambling from a clean pocket, but still threw off his back foot, did not see open receivers and his deep and short passes were poor.
And at the end of his season he again scrambled from clean pockets, threw off his back foot, did not see open receivers and his deep and short passes were poor.
Every player has a bad game now and then. But throughout the season, Foles never corrected any of these mistakes. It would be one thing if he had a bad stretch. But this was a bad season. Yes, the offense wasn’t catching anyone by surprise this season, there were injuries and subtractions, and the running game wasn’t as good. If Nick Foles needs a strong offensive line, a strong running game, a particular style of position coach, a top tier deep threat and an offense that no one has seen before to succeed…. then the Eagles were absolutely right to move on from him.
But even when he had all those things, the mistakes were still there. In 2013 he had a healthy, strong offensive line. He had a dominant running game. He had DeSean Jackson on the field and Bill Lazor on the sideline. And the offense was new.
And yet, he still made the same mistakes he did this season.
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ParticipantIf I was going by need, it would be QB, OL, LB. In a lower class it is CB and WR and DT. Then I would look at the numbers in each position. I fill any left over “needs” with a whole pile of UDFAs and minimum salary vets etc. etc. I have enough starters in DT and WR so it isn’t a real fix now need.
So who are they likely to Lose/jettison ?
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Barron
Mcleod
Zuerlein
Janoris
Tru Johnson
Brockers
Hayes
Fairley
Harkey
Cody Davis
Givens
B. Quick
Austin Davis
Case Keenum
Foles
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ParticipantHold on though.
That’s just one year.
If they keep Foles, as a young starting qb up for his 2nd contract, he will get more than Bradford got. It’s either that or they let him walk. So starting next year, if they like Foles and keep him, we’re talking about a market that gives starting qbs in their second contract an avg. of around 19 M a year. Bradford averaged around 13 M a year.
Seattle is in the process of going through the same thing with Wilson.
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Agreed. Of course Seattle played it perfectly though
because they got, what?, about three years of ultra-cheap
ultra-good QB play.Fairley and Foles and Britt all have
short contracts. Interesting.
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ParticipantFairley basically finishes out Langford’s contract on a prove it basis. I can live with that.
I’m surprised he settled for a one-year deal. I would have
thought he could have gotten a multi-year deal somewhere.I’m excited about the DLine. They started So SLOW
last year. It was awful. But now, one would think
they know GW’s system and they oughta be able
to start fast.I know nothing about Fairley.
Is he a run-stopper only or an allround player?
What does he do best?w
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ParticipantI know. We talked about it before. I agree with you. There’s no reason for Bradford to do anything. He knows his own injury risk, and he’s got $13 million guaranteed, coming his way, no matter what. Sure Brady, Manning, etc., have renegotiated contracts to spread out the cap hit, but Bradford was in his final year, and he hasn’t been involved in a regular season game in a year and a half.
I think money, the cap space, the draft picks, and the fact that the Rams got a starting QB in return, all caused the stars to align just right, and the Rams made the trade.
Smart move, imo.
This is my own Wild-Speculation. No evidence for it whatsoever,
but i wonder if Bradford’s “leadership style” just
didnt quite jive with Fisher. I dunno.w
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ParticipantWell Jim did get duped. The Snishers have been saying, forever, how much they love Bradford. Then this happens, with not even a hint dropped beforehand. Jim probably feels like he got played a little. I don’t know. He’s a pro, though, and he knows the NFL is full of misinformation, and disinformation. Everybody gets fooled, once in a while.
Regarding the trade, people can say whatever they want, but I still think Bradford would be on this team if he had taken a drastic pay cut, but with an incentive laden contract. Bradford and his agent didn’t want to do that. The Rams played the only hand they had left, trade him. That’s the teams only leverage, so they used it.
IMO, the Rams made a good trade. We’ll see how it plays out.
I always thought the paycut talk was utter nonsense.
For the life of me, i saw no reason in the world
why he would take a pay cut. It just seemed like fan-talk
to me. Now i could see him getting an “extension” with
lots of incentive clauses — but a “pay cut” — no way.
Why would he do that?w
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jankybill76#Rams signed DT Nick Fairley on a 1-year deal worth $5M base, source said. He can make up to $7.5M in incentives. A prove-it deal.
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ParticipantJim Thomas @jthom1 ·
Jim Thomas @jthom1 · 21m 21 minutes ago
Wonder how that plays in locker room in terms of credibility issue? Heard some Rams players not happy with how whole Bradford thing handled.He REALLY just seems unhappy with this whole thing. I think he feels duped and doesn’t appreciate it.
Yeah, he seems to be taking something personally, there.
Bradford himself doesn’t seem to have a problem
with the way it was handled.w
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ParticipantSo the DLine will be:
Quinn, Fairley, Donald, Long.
(and Brockers, Hayes, Simms)Seems like that would be the best dline
since…?w
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ParticipantRams sign Fairley
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/transactions/nfl/all/today/wv
ParticipantX, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve never found you to be a jerk.
He’s just alluding to some old board-war stuff.
Things were said. Cows were dropped out of helicopters.
Nuns were decapitated.Water under the bridge.
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ParticipantHey, -X-
Great to see you (Holy shit, does that mean our board is going to be destroyed again?).
How’s tricks (please let me live…)?
Our board is your board (add it to the ones you already own).
All the best,
MattThere is peace in the valley.
I think its a sign of the apocalypse.
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ParticipantI wouldn’t have been surprised by the new Foles jersey … but I’m surprised by the new Bradford jersey. I really thought there was a chance the Rams could go after Foles with draft choices. Had no idea that Philly was that hot after Bradford, and that the Rams would really trade Bradford.
Not a Soul
saw it comin except
maybe Jack P Miller.w
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ParticipantGuys, I’m getting old. But I do watch pre-season games. And I don’t really remember this Keenum guy. If a die hard Ram fan doesn’t remember him at all … does that mean he’s pretty forgettable?
I think he’s an intriguing player, rfl.
Kindof a gunslinger.wv
ParticipantAnd it would not surprise me if that kid
ended up starting a few games.w
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ParticipantDoes the interest in Fairley mean
the Rams are not happy with Brockers?w
vMarch 12, 2015 at 1:37 pm in reply to: DeMarco Murray expects to be an Eagle? … now, Murray IS an Eagle #20223wv
ParticipantDo they not know Bradford is not allowed
to have weapons.w
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ParticipantI expect Fischer to sign him.
I expect it will be for too much money.
I expect that I won’t like his performance.I expect i dont like those last two
expecterations.w
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ParticipantWhen I watched those highlights, I saw a guy who was slow to throw it. It worked in what we watched because those are highlights. BUT if you look at his completion percentage when he holds the ball, it’s actually bad.
So is that a coachable thing?
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ParticipantThis will sound odd but you know who he reminds me of?
His stature, clunkiness, slowness, strength, mannerisms, etc === Roman Gabriel.w
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ParticipantInterior Defensive Linemen
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2015-nfl-free-agents-141400044–nfl.html
1. Ndamukong Suh (Signed 6-year, $114M deal with MIA)
<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: brown”><span class=”d4pbbc-font-size” style=”font-size: 20px”><strong class=”d4pbbc-bold”>2. Nick Fairley</span></span>
3. Terrance Knighton
4. Dan Williams (Signed undisclosed deal with OAK)
5. Jared Odrick (Signed 5-year, $42.5M deal with JAX)
6. Stephen Paea (Signed four-year, $21M deal with WAS)
7. C.J. Mosley
8. Henry Melton9. Vince Wilfork
10. Darnell Dockett (Signed 2-year, $7.5M deal with SF)
11. Cory Redding (Signed 2-year, $6M deal with ARZ)12. Randy Starks
12. Barry Cofield
13. Letroy Guion
14. Corey Peters (Signed 3-year, $10.5M deal with ARZ)
15. B.J. Raji
16. Kevin Williams
17. Kenrick Ellis
18. Ahtyba Rubin
19. Tom Johnson (Re-signed 3-year, $7M deal with MIN)
20. Jarvis Jenkins
21. Alan Branch
22. Alex Carrington
23. Dwan Edwards (Re-signed 2-year, $4M deal with CAR)
24. Pat Sims
25. Tommy Kelly
26. Mike Patterson27. Ricky Jean-Francois (Signed 3-year, $9M deal with WAS)
28. Kendall Langford (Signed 4-year, $17.2M deal with IND)
29. Chris Canty
30. Leger Douzable
31. Karl Klug
32. Colin Cole (Re-signed 1-year, $1.05M deal with CAR)
33. Kevin Vickerson
34. Tyson Alualu (Re-signed 2-year, $6M deal with JAX)
35. Demarcus Dobbs
36. Vance Walker
37. Andre Fluellen
38. Fili Moala
39. Nick Hayden
40. Stephen BowenCan he play Center?
Does he have big enough hands?w
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Participant@RapSheet:
Nick Fairley is on his way to visit the #Rams after spending yesterday with the #Bengals. Imagine that St. Louis D-Line…I know Fairley was highly regarded coming out of college
but how has he performed in the pros?w
vMarch 12, 2015 at 9:32 am in reply to: audio, 3-11-15 … Balzer, Greg Cosell, JT, Karraker, Miklasz, Martz #20171wv
ParticipantThe ironic thing iz the Bradford-haters have to
root for Sam now, cause if he stays
healthy and plays the games
the Rams dont lose a 3rd rd pick.S9 peepulz, which of the two QBs will
have the higher QB-rating ?I say…ummmmm….Bradford.
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ParticipantSaw this at the Herd. I think ramjam posted it but i forget:
Per Jim Thomas: Rams have reached out to Detroit DT Nick Fairly. No visit scheduled as of yet.
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