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wvParticipantI’m Patriotic… I believe in
Free Market Capitalism,
Border Security,
Faith…
Lower Taxes,
Limited Government…
and an Elite Military Force….Let’s just talk about Football…
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That makes me smile, because i dont believe in any of those things 🙂
You know, many of us ‘tried’ to talk politics on the old political board years ago. Far Righties from the Herd, and this little group of far-lefties. And one by one we mostly walked away from it because it almost always deteriorated into a cess-pool of anger, defensiveness and ugliness. It was just toxic for me. I felt healthier as soon as i stopped reading that board.
It was a useful exercise though, for me. It was good experience. I kinda learned when to NOT try to communicate. Ya know. Sometimes ya just have to NOT communicate. Strange as that sounds.
In general, i just dont think righties and lefties can talk to each other, about politics.
So, I’m totally with ya — let’s talk Rams. 🙂
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vwvParticipantI’m not quite sure what i think of all this. I dont really understand who paid who and for what, exactly.
But my first impression is — I’m not sure why it should bother me that some poor kid’s family got some money funneled to them by rich sleazy basketball people.
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vwvParticipantI feel like they can win. They have already showed me enough in the first three games to show that they aren’t just getting lucky.
A note about the defense: I hear the players talking about “maintaining gap integrity” and “trusting the system instead of just falling on old habits”.
I remember some of the same things being said when Spags first implemented his system and GW implemented his. I feel like it’s just a system change thing. It isn’t muscle memory yet. The defense should get better, especially in the last half of the season.
I am very optimistic about this team. My biggest concern is giving games away. They make too many mistakes, and you can’t do that against a Dallas team or a Washington team.
If they continue to give possessions away, than it’s going to be another long season.
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Hmmmm. I dunno. I suspect the D wont get fixed this year, and i am skeptical they are even gonna get much better at all this year.
Somethin just looks ‘seriously’ wrong to me.
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vwvParticipantYeah, Waters is quite political. He actually takes on the Israeli Occupation, which is unusual among privileged celebrity millionaire rock stars.
wvParticipantWell teams have now seen the ram-McV offense for three games now….I’m thinking the Rams will look bad in this one. I dont see any way they stop that Dallas Oline with their Giunta-Defense. I figure Dallas will run and pass for a million yards.
Dallas 35
Rams 23The team will continue to grow and gel, but its too soon, and Goff is too green, for them to beat teams like Dallas on the road.
They’ll be a handful next year if Snead can make a few more good personnel decisions and they can hang on to Watkns.
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vwvParticipant“The only thing he needs to learn more now is to step up into the pocket rather than trying to get out of it.”
============A lot of folks think this. But in college he certainly made a ton of plays after he rolled OUT of the pocket.
Maybe he needs to learn to step deeper in to the pocket but maybe sometimes he can still do his college thing. Maybe he needs to learn when to do one and when to do the other. Maybe his linemen need to learn when he’s gonna do one and when he’s gonna do the other — experience.
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vwvParticipant“Throughout the game, you just have a sense of, ‘They don’t know what we’re doing,’ ” he said, adding, “When you’re running a route and you see guys running the opposite way, it’s a good feeling.”
And that is how it seems when you watch them on TV too.
This is just awesome.
I would love to see how a great DC attacks this offense, though. I’d like to see what Belichick would do against McV.
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vwvParticipantAre the 10 people on island 2 all pulling their weight equally? What if they’re all lazy and contribute nothing to the island except for one hard working guy? Say only one of the 10 gets out there and works. He goes out and harvests the coconuts, digs the wells, does all the fishing, manufactures clothing (grass skirts & palm frond vests, I would imagine), and stockpiles it to ensure his longevity.
The other 9 do nothing but steal his shit because they’re too lazy to do it themselves.
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Well, i kinda thot you would write somethin like that. I live and breathe in West, by God, Virginia, as you know. And so I am immersed in rightwing ideas, rightwing talk-radio, etc. And so I’m familiar with the notion that there are a bunch of ‘lazy,’ enabled, poor-people out there acting like ‘victims’ and wanting ‘hand-outs’ etc.
Thing is i have spent a quarter of a century now, working with poverty-sticken people and i rarely if ever actually meet any ‘lazy’ poor people. I meet single moms working at McDonalds who make barely enough to live on, and they work a lot harder than the rich folks — they just dont win the capitalist-games. But the work a lot HARDER. But they stay poor. The system looks rigged to me. I dont think the problem is a ‘good system’ full of ‘lazy’ poor-people.
The poor work harder. Thats been my experience anyway. They just dont make money.
I would choose the socialist-island because it seems more ‘fair’ to me. You would choose the capitalist island because it seems more ‘fair’ to you.
There’s no persuading either of us on some of these core, buried, deep ideas.
I think. I dunno.Go Rams.
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vwvParticipantHonestly, I’m just done with the inferiority complex of too many Americans.
The President is a ridiculously complex and difficult job if done well.
Honestly, there are few who could do it well and thanks to our retarded two party/same donors system, we get zero options that are actually competent to fulfill the position and take the duty of the job more seriously than the political concerns.
And the current knucklehead knows nothing other than his baseless opinions and has exactly zero interest in learning a damn thing.
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Ok, so yer taking a knee then, during the anthem?
I’m just tryin to figure out who is gonna lock arms with who
and whether we are standing or sitting or kneeling.w
vwvParticipant4. Income inequality. What about it? Is this my fault too?
Yes. It is your fault. So stop it 🙂
I’m less interested in the actual ‘substance’ of an argument For or Against a system that allows or disallows great income disparities — because i know from experience its pointless 🙂 I am not gonna persuade you of anything and you are not gonna persuade me of anything, blah blah blah.
But I ‘am’ interested in the subject of communication between people who are FAR apart politically. How should it be done? Is it possible? Is there a point to trying? Etc. So far i have no answers to any of those questions. Just questions and more questions.
Sometimes i just want to talk to rightwingers about…Islands. Like…if there were two Islands. Each having ten people on them. And one Island had a system where 99 percent of the Island was owned by One Islander. And the other one percent was divided unevenly by the other Nine Islanders. One of the Nine was actually starving and had no land at all.
Ok so thats Island one. Lets call it Capitalist-Isle 🙂
And a second Island also had ten people on it. And they each had roughly, more-or-less the same amount of land. About ten percent each, give or take a percentage point or two. Lets call it Socialist-Isle.
Now which Island would you rather live on and why?
…and dont say it….I KNOW you wanna say “Gilligans Island”.
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vSeptember 26, 2017 at 5:41 pm in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #75069wvParticipantSomeone sent me this. Havent read it, but the angle made me smile for some reason:
Colin Kaepernick vs. Tim Tebow: A tale of two Christians on their knees
By Michael Frost
September 26, 2017
They’re both Christian football players, and they’re both known for kneeling on the field, although for very different reasons.
One grew up the son of Baptist missionaries to the Philippines. The other was baptized Methodist, confirmed Lutheran, and attended a Baptist church during college.
Both have made a public display of their faith. Both are prayerful and devout.
This is the tale of two Christian sports personalities, one of whom is the darling of the American church while the other is reviled. And their differences reveal much about the brand of Christianity preferred by many in the church today…see link….
September 26, 2017 at 7:47 am in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #75051wvParticipantSo the Cardinals locked arms with the military reps on the field,
and the Cowboys all locked arms and took a knee?Weird and interesting stuff going on, as the NFL-Corporate-PR-experts try to devise an approach that will basically make all the hard issues just ‘go away’.
“look were all holding hands, everything is fine now…”
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vSeptember 25, 2017 at 7:56 pm in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #75017wvParticipantPersonally, I think players should leave their political protests off the field. And again, millions of people feel the same way.
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Standing for the “National Anthem” IS a ‘political’ act.
Not standing is a political act.Kneeling for that political-song is a political act.
Not Kneeling for the song is a political act.Etc.
Its a political Song. The song is not like ’99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall’ or the Barney Song. Its totally political. Hand over your heart, gettn all misty eyed — politics. Kneel down, raise your fist in the air — politics.
So if you dont want Politics in football, the NFL should stop bringing politics into it, by doing the whole “National anthem” ritual.
I for one, would rather see a William Blake poem read at each NFL game. But thats just me 🙂
wvParticipantIn West Virginia he’d be Questioned, because he only had
one gun in the car.w
vwvParticipantI had forgotten what it was like to just ‘expect’ WRs to make routine plays.
The fisher years gave me Offensive-PTSD or somethin. I had forgotten what its like to see WRs who can:
Run Routes,
Get Open,
HOLD on to passes.Britt made over a thousand yards, but we all knew damn well he couldnt run routes,
and was not reliable.Its night and day.
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vwvParticipantThe “meaning” of the Vietnam War is no different from the meaning of the genocidal campaign against the Native Americans, the colonial massacres in the Philippines, the atomic bombings of Japan, the leveling of every city in North Korea. .
That’s all a big blur and means nothing to me.
I always prefer cold hard detailed history.
If the only intention of Vietnam was genocide, that was an awfully inconvenient place to go do it.
Vietnam was a product of many things, including policies and mindsets and ideological assumptions, and I would rather know that stuff.
Other people can get into undifferentiated outrage. Personally I can’t hear it. It’s like screaming, to me.
None of which defends or justifies or excuses or exonerates Vietnam. I guess we just have to assume an alliance between the screamers and the analysts. Some people are both.
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I interpret Pilger’s writing differently. He just seems the same as Howard Zinn to me, and i never thought of Zinn as a ‘screamer.’ To me, Pilger IS doing “cold hard detailed history”…blah blah blah, we see it differently. No big thing.
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vwvParticipantI cant understand what Buffalo’s braintrust was thinking.
I really dont. It would be like jettisoning Ike and Torry.
I dont get it.
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vNew GM.
Just starting over.
Wanted the picks (and in Woods’ case, the cap space) and not the players.
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Well, i know, but it seems to me, the new GM made two idiotic decisions.
Tossing away a real solid, competitive, route-runner, possession receiver with great hands, and a fucking NO.1 WR…..
He gets RID of THOSE for cap space?
I hope he makes more deals with the Rams.
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vwvParticipantI cant understand what Buffalo’s braintrust was thinking.
I really dont. It would be like jettisoning Ike and Torry.
I dont get it.
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vwvParticipantPilger:https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/21/the-killing-of-history/
PBS’ “The Vietnam War” may show some of the conflict’s horrors but still soft-pedals the horrific war crimes that America inflicted on Vietnam, fitting with a corporate-dependent documentary project, writes John Pilger.
By John Pilger
One of the most hyped “events” of American television, “The Vietnam War,” has started on the PBS network. The directors are Ken Burns and Lynn Novick. Acclaimed for his documentaries on the Civil War, the Great Depression and the history of jazz, Burns says of his Vietnam films, “They will inspire our country to begin to talk and think about the Vietnam War in an entirely new way.”
An American soldier walks by a Vietnamese home that was set on fire. (From the PBS’ series, “The Vietnam War.”)
In a society often bereft of historical memory and in thrall to the propaganda of its “exceptionalism,” Burns’s “entirely new” Vietnam War is presented as an “epic, historic work.” Its lavish advertising campaign promotes its biggest backer, Bank of America, which in 1971 was burned down by students in Santa Barbara, California, as a symbol of the hated war in Vietnam.
Burns says he is grateful to “the entire Bank of America family” which “has long supported our country’s veterans.” Bank of America was a corporate prop to an invasion that killed perhaps as many as four million Vietnamese and ravaged and poisoned a once bountiful land. More than 58,000 American soldiers were killed, and around the same number are estimated to have taken their own lives.
I watched the first episode in New York. It leaves you in no doubt of its intentions right from the start. The narrator says the war “was begun in good faith by decent people out of fateful misunderstandings, American overconfidence and Cold War misunderstandings.”
The dishonesty of this statement is not surprising. The cynical fabrication of “false flags” that led to the invasion of Vietnam is a matter of record – the Gulf of Tonkin “incident” in 1964, which Burns promotes as true, was just one. The lies litter a multitude of official documents, notably the Pentagon Papers, which the great whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg released in 1971.
There was no good faith. The faith was rotten and cancerous. For me – as it must be for many Americans – it is difficult to watch the film’s jumble of “red peril” maps, unexplained interviewees, ineptly cut archive and maudlin American battlefield sequences. In the series’ press release in Britain — the BBC will show it — there is no mention of Vietnamese dead, only Americans.
“We are all searching for some meaning in this terrible tragedy,” Novick is quoted as saying. How very post-modern.
All this will be familiar to those who have observed how the American media and popular culture behemoth has revised and served up the great crime of the second half of the Twentieth Century: from “The Green Berets” and “The Deer Hunter” to “Rambo” and, in so doing, has legitimized subsequent wars of aggression. The revisionism never stops and the blood never dries. The invader is pitied and purged of guilt, while “searching for some meaning in this terrible tragedy.” Cue Bob Dylan: “Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son?”
What ‘Decency’ and ‘Good Faith’?….see link….
wvParticipant“…Sean McVay is fast gaining a reputation as a quarterbacks savant. His offense is a deliberate amalgamation of the Patriots, Saints and Falcons. The Patriots for their pre-snap motion and receivers’ off-the-line release concepts, the Saints for their downfield route combinations, and the Falcons for the way they marry their passing and outside zone running games.”
—————I could sit and read that paragraph over and over and over. And over.
Finally.
This is what i have wanted since the Martz days.
Now lets hope McV is not a paranoid wacko who cant draft.
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vwvParticipantYeah, we were taking the other day about the longevities of QBs nowadays. Goff is only 22. With QBs playing at a high level into their late 30’s, the Rams could be set at QB for the next 16 years or so.
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O good Lord
Why don’t you just BEG the football Gods to send an ACL injury Goff’s way.
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vwvParticipantGood stuff. I could watch that kind of stuff all day.
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vwvParticipantI think Tavon has some big pluses but he has some big minuses too. He’s not just an explosive multi-purpose weapon — he’s also a weapon who FUMBLES.
I dont like fumblers. I never liked the great E.D. cause of that, and i sure dont like it from a guy at Tavon’s level.
So for ‘me’ the fumbles are HUGE.
I dont want him returning kicks. If I’m the opposing team I DO want him returning kicks.
As for his value as a decoy — i think thats big, and its important. I say that because both Fisher AND McV have used him that way, so they must know something.
It must really help the blocker get an edge and Gurley get an edge, etc. If it freezes the defenders even for a second, GREAT.And as a Decoy….tavon doesnt FUMBLE. So let him do that until they cant afford his contract. Then jettison him and get some cheaper version to be the decoy.
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vwvParticipantlast page of 49er message board thread:
link:http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189248-official-referees-screwed-thread-2017-edition/page13/w
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PopeyeJonesing
“Anyone arguing that there definitively was no OPI or OPI from that camera angle is just using motivated reasoning.There’s simply no way to tell. Show me the camera angle from the refs vantage point on the sideline and we’ll have something to talk about.
As for the purported NFL conspiracy, there’s a segment of every fanbase that insists there’s a shadowy conspiracy that’s holding their team back. Fans of the good teams (e.g. Pats, Seahawks, Packers, etc.) are even more vociferous about it.”
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wvParticipantI love the way McV does his “sit on the little gatorade bench” thing
while the defense is being shredded.I think it shows great confidence in the Offense.
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vwvParticipantThat was quite simply the most entertaining RAM performance (not even talking about the ‘game’) I’ve seen since…oh, probly the GSOT days.
I never found the Fisher years ‘entertaining’.
McV’s offense is just flat-out entertaining to me. The design of the offense is just fucking awesome. It reminds me of Bill Walsh’s offenses. Somebody is always open, and often they are not only open they have a shitload of ROOM to roam. Fisher’s receivers usually just seemed to be coming ‘back’ to the ball. McV’s receivers seem to be usually moving forward. At least thats how it seems to me.
This wasnt like playing the Colts — we know SF has a solid NFL Defense. Lots of talent on their D. And it was Goff’s first away game this year.
The loss of a wily veteran starting center is a killer though.
I was pleased to see Woods and Watson targeted.
Am i the only one that doesnt even want Tavon on the field for punts anymore?
I do think he’s actually quite valuable as the jet sweep decoy guy. But I dont want him anywhere near the punt return team anymore.Hyde was so impressive on that goal line play where he fell down and got back up and slammed forward and almost scored.
If SF ever gets a franchise QB they will be good, it looks like to me.
When did the rams decide to run the Giunta defense?
And where did the pass rush go in the third and most of the fourth quarter?
Were they only rushing three a lot of the time?I could talk about all kinds of ‘individual’ plays both good and bad, but to me, the story of the game is the McV offense. The design of the plays. The execution of it. The fluidity of it. The QB as point guard. I love it.
Guess they’ll be drafting a lot of defensive players in the draft.
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vwvParticipant“Oh, there you go, bringing class into it again–“
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Ketchup sandwiches is fake newz. Mustard sandwiches is where its at.
Btw, i was pondering about those little plastic rectangular ketchup packages that you get at Wendy’s or McDonalds. I was pondering why its so hard to tear off the top of them. Part of the top always stays attached no matter how hard you pull at it. It vexed me for decades and decades.
And then i figured it out — the corporations WANT the top to stay attached to the package, so as to keep the top from falling onto the ground and causing littering issues.
And when i realized that, i heard a chorus of angels, and
sweet music played in my head, and i saw rainbows, and unicorns,
and thus, i realized for the first time — the corporations are…good.
And i was forever changed.w
vwvParticipantSo this is a frog thread? Or a Toad thread? Which is it?
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wvParticipantUnfortunately a lot of poor people who vote–if they vote at all–vote against their own interests….
Because the ‘system’ makes em ‘ignorant’. Drenches em in Lies. Propaganda, Distractions, Deceptions, Bread-and-circuses, etc. And of course it keeps em so busy just trying to survive they dont have time to be critically-thinking-citizens. Thats a luxury. Critical-thinking is a luxury, these days.
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vSeptember 21, 2017 at 7:04 am in reply to: First road game for G–informal poll on the SF game #74644wvParticipantBradford was injured twice. His OLs were shredded by injuries. He didn’t build that. My hope is that we don;t see that kind of thing anymore. The results will be the same if we do.
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Fisher was also the guy who preferred players like Britt and J.Cook, instead of other options. The WR corps always seemed sub-par to me. It was never good in Five years. It seemed like such a struggle for guys to simply ‘get open’.
McV comes along and it seems like everyone is open all the time.
There were indeed a lot of key injuries Fisher had to deal with. But I still think McV is an upgrade.
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