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ParticipantAh well. SF pulls it out.
They dont look unbeatable anymore though, do they.
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ParticipantIMO the best “story” SB would be Detroit v. Houston. Though, Detroit physically beating up Stafford while he was on the ground soured me on them.
Yeah, motor-city is like that. I didnt like it when Laimbeer and Rodman went after Stafford and Faulk.
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ParticipantWell, i say they should just keep drafting record-breaking rookies-of-the-year.
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ParticipantSigh. Well, I get the frustration old-schoolers have with toning down the violence. I get it. And DB’s are in a difficult situation with the big Tight Ends running over and through the small DBs these days.
But…ya just cant allow that kind of hit on a football player anymore. You cant allow launching at the knee. Even if its not intentional.
The DB should have to go lower or higher. And yeah, its asking a lot. But the NFL wants offense and they want healthy players. So, figure out a rule.
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ParticipantOn the CJ hit of KW. I dont know what the rule is. I know a tackler cant use his helmet, but can a tackler hit an RB’s head with the shoulder? I would think on a bang-bang play like that, CJ’s hit would be legal. Dangerous as F, but legal.
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ParticipantBy far the best of wildcard round Puka Nacua setting single game receiving postseason rookie record was awesome. Watching Stafford take elbows to the head on the end of a 3 step run that started after the ball was thrown that shot knocked him down and the other asshole knees him in the head and rib stomps him for good measure the camera stops and the ref’s shoes are center frame, he saw every single bit of it and did nothing. Can’t wait till next year!
Little bit reminiscent of the Belichex plan against Faulk and company way back when. Beat up the opposition and take it as far as it will go unless the refs start throwin flags.
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ParticipantI remember when the Rams 1999 top-6 defense, disintegrated into the 2000 bottom-6 defense. Seemed like people got old overnight.
Is that what happened to the Eagles?
They were awesome last year. It wasnt a mirage.
Strange. One of the strangest collapses i can remember.
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Participant…ok, look at the blue bumper sticker on the wall behind Chris Long.
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ParticipantIts hard not to be very-optimistic about next year. I mean, they really dont need much more. IF they hit on some draft picks, sign a couple solid vets, and stay healthy — they can have quite a year.
I dont remember another year quite like this one. Maybe the 79 Super Bowl year is closest? They were 9-7 i think. We didnt expect an NFC title and a close game with the Steelers.
Sometimes a team’s losses say more than the wins. Ya know. The Baltimore loss and Detroit loss said so much about this team. More than any of the wins, i would say.
They showed heart as well as talent. Not a bad start to a third chapter for McVay. The Goff years. The Super Bowl run with Stafford. Now, the…what? We’ll see, i guess.
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ParticipantGreat win for Detroit. If they had to lose, well….ya know.
Not sure the best team won, though. I think the Rams are right-there with the Lions.
Hope the Lions can upset the 49ers down the road.
Stafford is awesome. Cant say enough about the Rams this year.
Just need a player here, a player there, and some luck, and they would be right there with the elite teams. A pass rusher. A good corner.
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Participant41-16 in the third quarter. Are you kidding me?
wtf happened to dallas defense?
And Dallas has more first downs than GB.
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ParticipantI am picking the lions because I’m too frightened of getting my hopes up
by picking the Rams.
Lions 30
Rams 24
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Participantzn: “….My answer? One. Bradford. Who played 15 games for him. From 2013 through 2016 the other qbs were Clemens, Hill, Austin, Keenum, Foles, and Goff as a rookie. That’s 65 games. How many of those were starting caliber? Some argue Foles is/was starting caliber. I disagree…”
Well, without going too far down the how-many-QBs-can-fit-on-the-head-of-a-football-tee, hole, its seems like some historical situations are just too F’ing weird to categorize. Human brains love to label and organize and categorize, though. We just do. Evolution, i guess. But to me, Foles is one of them mysteries of the universe. He did some things that were just f’ing weird-as-hell. That first year in Philly was it? Somethin like a million TDs and 2 INTs or somethin like that. Then the idiot years with the Rams. Then the f’ing Super Bowl playoff run with the Eagles. Then back to the back-up world.
I mean WTF does one do with that ? What is he? He’s like….a platypus.
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Participant, but then neither DV nor McV excelled when in the same bad circumstances–ie. not having both a good veteran starter at qb and a relatively healthy OL at the same time (that covers 98 and 2022). The bottom of the barrel guys are–in alphabetical and so actually no particular order–Brooks, Knox 2, Linehan, and Spa..
Well, DV had Kurt. Do you consider him a veteran in 99?
But to the larger point about Fisher, yeah, he was kilt by injuries. Fisher could have been Robinson-level I think, without the bad-luck.
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January 11, 2024 at 8:05 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148625wv
ParticipantSaw on a vid, that Belichex had “15 top-five defenses” over the years. 9 with the Pats, 4 with the Giants and 1 with the Browns. Its notable because he is linked with Brady so often. But Brady had nuthin to do with the great defenses. w v
I’m a “it was Brady” kinda guy. Lot’s of teams with perennially good defenses didn’t win the prize. Like for example the 70s Rams. What if we could manipulate time, and send in-his-prime Brady back to the Knox Rams in 1973. Their defenses from 73 through 77 were ranked 1, 3, 2, 4, 4, 1.
Well, sure, its might have been mostly Brady. But, I dunno. I’m pretty comfortable saying Belichex was one of, if not the, greatest ‘defensive minds’ of the modern NFL. I think there’s a consensus on that.
As for the Brady thing — yeah, I saw a graphic that said Belichex coached 11 seasons without Brady. In those years he made the playoffs only twice, and was 83-101.
In the 18 seasons with Brady, he was 219-64, yadda yadda.
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January 11, 2024 at 7:35 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148622wv
ParticipantSaw on a vid, that Belichex had “15 top-five defenses” over the years. 9 with the Pats, 4 with the Giants and 1 with the Browns.
Its notable because he is linked with Brady so often. But Brady had nuthin to do with the great defenses.
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January 11, 2024 at 7:03 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148621wv
ParticipantSaw a graphic of Belichex accomplishments. Two of the things that stood out to me were:
1) 11 straight AFC East division titles.
2 ) Only 3 NFL coach of the year honors.
One would think he’d have been named coach of the year more than three times.
11 straight division titles may just be harder to achieve than 6 super bowl wins. I dunno.
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ParticipantOne thing you have to respect about Goff is the way he handled the 3-13 year. 2021. Rams win Super Bowl with Stafford.
What a kick in the gut.
And he just keeps working.
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ParticipantAnd how did Alliser Thorne’s coaching career end?
Imagine the sports-talkshows, if coaches could still be hanged.
“The Offensive Coordinator needs hanged!”
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ParticipantNo, you don’t. And I think that’s kind of strange. That is the way I ran my theatre. I did it that way because it seemed practical. Like… when you see leaders or bosses who don’t acknowledge their mistakes and weaknesses, but try to hold their team accountable for mistakes and weaknesses… the only people they are fooling are themselves. The fact that you swagger around being the boss doesn’t conceal your errors from your team. May as well own up to it, and create a climate where people can own up to their own mistakes, and grow from it. That’s the difference between a leader and a boss. And it just seems so obvious to me that I don’t know why people let their egos make the wrong leadership decision in this regard. It’s self-defeating, ultimately. Viva Leadership. Down with Bosses!
Well, but according to coach alliser thorne, you cant ever question yourself. So, i dunno.
January 11, 2024 at 2:21 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148592wv
ParticipantWe will miss Pete Carroll. McVay is 10-5 against Pete, I believe.
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ParticipantThis was in another thread but I wondered if it would make a topic thread in its own right. My personal take is that this is very nuanced. Vermeil’s accomplishment is that he rebuilt the team he inherited in 97. Rebuilt it from the ground up, including finding a franchise qb in Warner. And it was all him doing that. Later, when Armey and Martz were in charge of personnel, they began the long decline that led to years of a championship team unravelling. Vermeil also made collossal errors like sticking with Banks and Philips too long. Plus, as Zooey points out, he left. But then at the same time the team he built was solid in every aspect–offense, defense, and special teams. McVay inherited a ready to go team in 2017 that just needed a few pieces, most notably a left OT and some receivers. He brought a great culture (so did Vermeil) and he won a super bowl with bold moves like trading for Stafford. I don’t put 2023 all on McVay though–if anything, the more McV delegates personnel acquisition the better the Rams are at it. And it’s not just Snead as a “maestro GM” type. More than that, Snead is an organizer. He organized college scouting and pro-personnel departments that pretty much supplied all the newcomers they found for the 2023 season. For example, are the 2023 Rams a wild card team without Williams? I don’t think that McVay is the guy who found Williams. I think guys like Williams are the result of the personnel acquisition depts. Snead built. Now having said that, much of 2023 was McV changing his approach on offense and also making a long list of great coaching hires (including Ryan Wendell). McV also made collossal errors like coming up with the league’s worst special teams in 2023. I don’t count trading Goff for Stafford as an error, but I do count McV’s glaring impatience with Goff in 2019/2020 as a coaching flaw (though one he may have learned from). McVay/Snead were also responsible for a long series of problematical free agent extensions, from Gurley to Noteboom. I would say that between the Vermeil regime and the McV/Snead regimes, it’s a pick-em–I personally pretty much rate them a tie. Though having said that, I also expect the McV/Snead future teams to stay in it and be top competitive teams for as long as they are in charge. I can absolutely see why someone else would rate one over the other, though I think McV is probably the more popular choice. In terms of the others, I rate the 70s version of Knox over Robinson and Robinson over Martz. All 3 have their strengths but both McV and DV are above those 3.
Agree.
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Participant“… How can you surround yourself with people that’ll tell you, ‘Hey, you’re messed up here, man.’ That’s a big thing, too. In a lot of instances, I still want to be coached. I still need to be coached. And so (I) want to always be open-minded, continuously learning. …”
You dont hear that a lot.
Oh, and hey McVay, you ‘messed up’ on the kicker thing.
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ParticipantAnybody remember their pre-season prediction for this season ? I cant remember what i predicted. Pretty sure i didnt predict 10 wins, though. w v
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We were more pessimistic than i remembered.
So many things emerged or came-together. But mainly the OLine, i guess. Always seems to start there.
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January 10, 2024 at 2:48 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148524wv
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ParticipantAnybody remember their pre-season prediction for this season ? I cant remember what i predicted. Pretty sure i didnt predict 10 wins, though.
We were more pessimistic than i remembered. So many things emerged or came-together. The Oline, mainly, i guess. Always seems to start there.
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ParticipantIf Peyton could play for one coach now, who would it be? Kyle Shanahan.
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ParticipantUpdate: On the way home this evening, the SF flagship station agreed that the one thing you don’t want to face in the playoffs is a wizard QB, and the wizard QB in the NFC is Matthew Stafford. The other thing they talked about was the accusation that Purdy is a “game manager” which is supposed to be a slight, but that’s literally the qb’s job, and all 9er fans have been watching him every week for over a year and a half, and…whatever…he does everything he’s supposed to do {sound familiar?}. …
I sometimes think any QB without a Gun of an arm, gets called a ‘game manager’ until, he reaches, something close to the Montana stage.
I dont ever recall a QB with a big-arm being called a game manager.
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