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wvParticipantWe know whats hurting Bernie. Bernie didnt work for an African-American President.
I didn’t vote for Biden because he worked for Obama. If I was black I would find your comment highly offensive. Not just because it is clearly racist but it also smacks of the very elitism that so many of us find discomforting with the far left. You discount black men and women who might just believe Trump can only be beaten by Biden; that Biden might be able to usher in a democratic controlled Senate; that Biden might be better for the country on issues that we all face. It doesn’t matter whether or not blacks are correct in their views. What matters is that whether you know it or not African Americans actually have VIEWS and OPINIONS. Whites do not have a monopoly on the ability to think. If you want to know what bothers most people about so called “progressives” just re-read the above quote. Its repugnant.
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I’m sure you do, indeed think that. Thats fine, i dont care.
But for a guy that thinks he’s a ‘realist’ and pragmatic and all, you dont appear to have actually listened to actual black people much. There are a gazillion vids and podcasts involving african-americans who flat-out aver that they voted for Obama BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK. They practically brag about it. Its not a big secret. Its totally ‘understandable’ given the long horrific history of white-racism in this country. Biden was Obama’s guy. Plenty of mainly mid-age, and older Black people feel loyal to the Obama legacy. This is just politics 101.
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vwvParticipantThe usual corporate suspects dont want to see Biden debate Bernie anymore…
wvParticipant“the left doesn’t owe Biden their vote”
“shoot me vs. stab me candidates..”wvParticipantHow cool is that.
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Yeah, you have no idea how much shit i give my fantasy-loving friends. I seem to know numerous people who love the fantasy book and movie genres. And they play D and D a lot. And they are leftists.
And I’m always giving them shit because the fantasy genre is almost totally full of rightwing assumptions. The ‘rebels’ fight to regain the throne for the ‘good’ King. etc, and so forth.
So, I’m always asking them WHEN someone is finally going to start using leftist themes in the Fantasy world. Its like a mantra for me. I drone on about it all the time.
And then this D and D thing came along. So yes, very cool. Where the fuck has it been all these years…
The left has SOOOOO far to go in this country. And so little time, probly.
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ResourceswvParticipantwvParticipanti will only say this. i didn’t know where else to put it. i decided to put it here.
if biden is the democratic nominee. he will get eaten alive by trump. i don’t know who the republicans would prefer to face, but they better hope it’s biden.
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Well, the Amerikan voting-public elected, George Bush2 TWICE. And they’ve elected Donald Trump. And Reagan was an Idiot too. Elected him twice.
So, if you are saying Biden is too brain-dead for the Amerikan voting-public to elect him? — Not necessarily.
It would be quite a contest though. Biden vs Trump. What a perfect reflection of Amerika. Just perfect. Much like last time.
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vMarch 8, 2020 at 11:41 am in reply to: just some “no thread for em” various political tweets … 2/25 thru ? #112051wvParticipantIts interesting to me that Tulsi got so few votes. Add it to the list of things that ‘say a lot about Amerika.’
I mean, she’s an anti-imperialist, conservative, Veteran who favors Medicare for All, the Green New Deal and staying out of foreign wars.
Yeah, who would want to vote for her.w
vwvParticipantAllll the Fox memes in one Vid. And Howard Stern trashing Bernie.
Skip to the 4 min mark if u wanna watch Trump on Biden. Trump is quite smooth and folksy and relaxed here:wvParticipantSo this is just a heads up, nothing to see here.
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Ok, cool. I try not to get to emotionally attached to internet posts. So, whatever you decide is gonna be fine with me.Though…I know where you live.
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vMarch 7, 2020 at 7:07 pm in reply to: just some “no thread for em” various political tweets … 2/25 thru ? #112030wvParticipantCentrist after Hillary Lost to the Idiot: “It was BERNIES fault. He didnt support Hillary enough. Dam Progressives.
————-Centrist after Biden Loses to the Idiot: “It was BERNIES fault. He didnt support Biden enough. Dam Progressives. Whats wrong with THEM…
Oh, and “The Russians, it was the Russians, again…”
Etc,
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vwvParticipantPeople do know about the study that showed there’s a certain percentage of all candidates’s followes who are negative/vicious online. Sanders’s people are not any more vicious than anyone else’s.
I posted that data in another thread, here: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/the-bernies-people-dominate-negative-tweets-myth/
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What about Hitler’s followers?
What about Daenerys Targaryen’s followers?
Lassie?I’m thinking Bernie-Bros and Bernie-Sisters fall somewhere between Hitler and Lassie.
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vwvParticipantGood Lord. It is quite a statement about America when Joe Biden and Donald Trump — two blithering idiots — could be the two Corporate-Party-Candidates.
Think about what that says about this Nation.
Imagine a “Debate” between these idiots. I’m not a hundred percent sure, but this could be the equivalent of that year when the Seahawks won the NFC West with a 7-9 Record. Though actually, I think Biden and Trump are more like 4-12 Teams.
wvParticipantwvParticipantDemocrat from Michigan, who is for Medicare For All, playing it down the middle between Biden and Bernie…
…oh and note how it takes a Fox News guy, to take note of how the “rules were changed to exclude Tulsi, but the rules were changed to allow Bloomberg IN…”
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wvParticipantwvParticipantUSA Today’s take on Warren’s Voting Bloc and the viciousness of Bernie’s supporters.
I know, I’m vicious. I dunno about Nittany. Sometimes I dont think he’s really as vicious as he could be.
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Elizabeth Warren’s exit doesn’t mean Bernie Sanders gets her progressive supporters, experts say,
Ledyard King,Rebecca Morin, Maureen Groppe
USA TODAYWASHINGTON – Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s departure from the Democratic presidential race has removed any competition Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders faced for progressive voters.
But that doesn’t mean he’ll automatically get her supporters.
Though Sanders shares the Massachusetts senator’s liberal ideology and her efforts to rein in the reach of corporations, her supporters tended to be college-educated women who backed structural changes rather than the political “revolution” Sanders consistently champions.
The areas she did well in during an otherwise disappointing Super Tuesday included upscale suburbs of Northern Virginia, the Raleigh Durham, N.C., area and Nashville, Tennessee.
And some Warren supporters remain angry at Sanders for not getting out of the race in 2016 and endorsing Hillary Clinton sooner than he did, and for allegedly telling Warren in December that a woman could never win the presidency – a claim he characterized as “ludicrous.”
Youth absence:Many young voters sat out Super Tuesday, contributing to Bernie Sanders’ losses
“I don’t know that Sanders is the second choice of Warren’s voters,” said Matt Dallek, a professor of political management at George Washington University. “I don’t necessarily see her withdrawal helping Sanders very much, if at all.”
Warren told Rachel Maddow in an interview on MSNBC Thursday night that she had a “short” conversation with Sanders about the viciousness of some of his supporters. Many have attacked the Massachusetts Senator for not dropping out earlier to endorse Sanders before Super Tuesday, where he fell short in several states.
wvParticipantwvParticipantWhoaa Boy! Krystal Ball is one lucky lady. A throuple with wv and zooey!.
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Yup. Prettymuch every young-beautiful woman’s dream.
I used to have crushes on Farrah, Cheryl Tiegs, Audrey Hepburn.
Now, its Krystal Ball, Jill Stein, Richard Wolff.I dunno what happened.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantWell, I saw an argument that actually Super Tuesday was bad for Biden because – while he won some states he shouldn’t have – he underperformed overall compared to Clinton vs Sanders. Maybe I will stick it in the ST thread.
I’ve decided to marry Krystal Ball, btw.
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Well, i hope Krystal is polyamorous, because I would marry her too.
Warren is stuck as far as supporting either Biden or Bernie. If she supports Biden it reveals to everyone she was a ‘fake’ progressive all along. If she supports Bernie…well…she’d actually have to be progressive to do that…
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vwvParticipantTaibbi:
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Progressives all over the internet think Bernie should attack Biden.
I dunno if that would help or not. (I dont think it would help with Black Voters) But it just aint Bernie. He attacks policies. Thats just how he rolls.
I think Bernies chances are slim now. I dont think his numbers add up without a huge dose of Black Voters.
Whatever chance he has ‘may’ come down to a couple of debates. Maybe Biden just implodes er somethin. Doubt it, but stranger things have happened.
Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump.
Joe Biden vs Donald Trump.Think about the big picture here. This is Amerika. What does it say?
perhaps, It says take the next boat to Thailand 🙂
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vwvParticipantMaybe you can say it’s older black voters in northern states because in places like Minnesota, Massachusetts, California Bernie exit polls indicate that Biden beat Bernie by a much, much smaller margin than in the South.
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Well, whether its ‘older Southern,’ or just ‘older,’ or ‘older and middle-aged’ or whatever — Its bad.
Ironically, the Black voters that vote for Biden, thinking they are being loyal to Obama or whatever — may just actually end up getting Biden elected and then LOSING to Trump. So being loyal to Obama’s legacy just may end up giving black families four more years of Trump.
Lots of weird ironies, here.
Then again who knows.
But i guess Michigan will tell us a lot about the Dem Primary, at least.
Biden is ahead in the polls, i believe.w
vwvParticipantNafta. Wall Street Bail Outs VS. I worked with Obama.
——————————wvParticipantAnd…btw…this whole “Bernie Bros were mean” thing just tells you everything about Warren, don’t it? Like…she could be making the rounds talking about Medicare for All and banking problems and climate change, but she’s going around whining to Maddow and whomever about Bernie Bros. Where are those progressive causes you care about, Liz?
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I’ve thot a lot about this “bernie bros” thing. I hear about it a lot, here in WV, from all kinds of people, but especially Hillary and Warren supporters.
I cant explain all of it, but I know ‘part’ of it, has to do with the Kinds of things progressives just naturally say about Centrists/Corporate-Liberals. The basic progressive/leftist critique is…oh…its a bit ugly to hear if you are on the receiving end of it. Think of all the ugliness you’ve seen between Libs and Leftists. I think part of it is just that progressive/leftists are attacking some sensitive/core issues. If you are a lib its pretty hard to NOT take it as a withering personal attack.
At any rate, i dont think the Bernie-Bro thing is hurting Bernie. We know whats hurting Bernie. Bernie didnt work for an African-American President.
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vwvParticipantNewt Gingrich – advice for Bernie — bring up Hunter 🙂
wvParticipantwvParticipant“if Bernie cant beat Biden he doesn’t deserve to win…”
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I don’t claim to know a great deal about American politics. I understand that Sanders is further left than Biden, though. Furthermore, I read threads here periodically, so I have a cursory understanding of how people on this board feel about the candidates. I clearly don’t know enough about Biden’s history beyond being Obama’s VP, however. .========================
Biden is the Establishment’s Choice. The CIA choice.Here’s what the Establishment is:
wvParticipantMarch 10th
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Michigan 125
Misouri 68
Mississ 36
North Dakota 14
Washington 89
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Florida 219
Ohio 136
Illinois 155
Ariz 67
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