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January 11, 2024 at 7:03 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148621
wvParticipantSaw a graphic of Belichex accomplishments. Two of the things that stood out to me were:
1) 11 straight AFC East division titles.
2 ) Only 3 NFL coach of the year honors.
One would think he’d have been named coach of the year more than three times.
11 straight division titles may just be harder to achieve than 6 super bowl wins. I dunno.
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wvParticipantOne thing you have to respect about Goff is the way he handled the 3-13 year. 2021. Rams win Super Bowl with Stafford.
What a kick in the gut.
And he just keeps working.
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wvParticipantAnd how did Alliser Thorne’s coaching career end?
Imagine the sports-talkshows, if coaches could still be hanged.
“The Offensive Coordinator needs hanged!”
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wvParticipantNo, you don’t. And I think that’s kind of strange. That is the way I ran my theatre. I did it that way because it seemed practical. Like… when you see leaders or bosses who don’t acknowledge their mistakes and weaknesses, but try to hold their team accountable for mistakes and weaknesses… the only people they are fooling are themselves. The fact that you swagger around being the boss doesn’t conceal your errors from your team. May as well own up to it, and create a climate where people can own up to their own mistakes, and grow from it. That’s the difference between a leader and a boss. And it just seems so obvious to me that I don’t know why people let their egos make the wrong leadership decision in this regard. It’s self-defeating, ultimately. Viva Leadership. Down with Bosses!
Well, but according to coach alliser thorne, you cant ever question yourself. So, i dunno.
January 11, 2024 at 2:21 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148592wvParticipantWe will miss Pete Carroll. McVay is 10-5 against Pete, I believe.
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wvParticipantThis was in another thread but I wondered if it would make a topic thread in its own right. My personal take is that this is very nuanced. Vermeil’s accomplishment is that he rebuilt the team he inherited in 97. Rebuilt it from the ground up, including finding a franchise qb in Warner. And it was all him doing that. Later, when Armey and Martz were in charge of personnel, they began the long decline that led to years of a championship team unravelling. Vermeil also made collossal errors like sticking with Banks and Philips too long. Plus, as Zooey points out, he left. But then at the same time the team he built was solid in every aspect–offense, defense, and special teams. McVay inherited a ready to go team in 2017 that just needed a few pieces, most notably a left OT and some receivers. He brought a great culture (so did Vermeil) and he won a super bowl with bold moves like trading for Stafford. I don’t put 2023 all on McVay though–if anything, the more McV delegates personnel acquisition the better the Rams are at it. And it’s not just Snead as a “maestro GM” type. More than that, Snead is an organizer. He organized college scouting and pro-personnel departments that pretty much supplied all the newcomers they found for the 2023 season. For example, are the 2023 Rams a wild card team without Williams? I don’t think that McVay is the guy who found Williams. I think guys like Williams are the result of the personnel acquisition depts. Snead built. Now having said that, much of 2023 was McV changing his approach on offense and also making a long list of great coaching hires (including Ryan Wendell). McV also made collossal errors like coming up with the league’s worst special teams in 2023. I don’t count trading Goff for Stafford as an error, but I do count McV’s glaring impatience with Goff in 2019/2020 as a coaching flaw (though one he may have learned from). McVay/Snead were also responsible for a long series of problematical free agent extensions, from Gurley to Noteboom. I would say that between the Vermeil regime and the McV/Snead regimes, it’s a pick-em–I personally pretty much rate them a tie. Though having said that, I also expect the McV/Snead future teams to stay in it and be top competitive teams for as long as they are in charge. I can absolutely see why someone else would rate one over the other, though I think McV is probably the more popular choice. In terms of the others, I rate the 70s version of Knox over Robinson and Robinson over Martz. All 3 have their strengths but both McV and DV are above those 3.
Agree.
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wvParticipant“… How can you surround yourself with people that’ll tell you, ‘Hey, you’re messed up here, man.’ That’s a big thing, too. In a lot of instances, I still want to be coached. I still need to be coached. And so (I) want to always be open-minded, continuously learning. …”
You dont hear that a lot.
Oh, and hey McVay, you ‘messed up’ on the kicker thing.
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wvParticipantAnybody remember their pre-season prediction for this season ? I cant remember what i predicted. Pretty sure i didnt predict 10 wins, though. w v
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We were more pessimistic than i remembered.
So many things emerged or came-together. But mainly the OLine, i guess. Always seems to start there.
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January 10, 2024 at 2:48 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148524wvParticipantwvParticipantAnybody remember their pre-season prediction for this season ? I cant remember what i predicted. Pretty sure i didnt predict 10 wins, though.
We were more pessimistic than i remembered. So many things emerged or came-together. The Oline, mainly, i guess. Always seems to start there.
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wvParticipantIf Peyton could play for one coach now, who would it be? Kyle Shanahan.
wvParticipantUpdate: On the way home this evening, the SF flagship station agreed that the one thing you don’t want to face in the playoffs is a wizard QB, and the wizard QB in the NFC is Matthew Stafford. The other thing they talked about was the accusation that Purdy is a “game manager” which is supposed to be a slight, but that’s literally the qb’s job, and all 9er fans have been watching him every week for over a year and a half, and…whatever…he does everything he’s supposed to do {sound familiar?}. …
I sometimes think any QB without a Gun of an arm, gets called a ‘game manager’ until, he reaches, something close to the Montana stage.
I dont ever recall a QB with a big-arm being called a game manager.
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wvParticipantRaheem would probly take half of McVay’s staff with him. Sigh.
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wvParticipantAnybody remember their pre-season prediction for this season ? I cant remember what i predicted. Pretty sure i didnt predict 10 wins, though.
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wvParticipantNoteboom will be an interesting decision. How much is he really worth to the Rams?
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wvParticipantThis is not the first time the Lions and Rams played in the Playoffs.
1952. Lions beat the Los Angeles Rams 31-21. Lions then won title vs the Browns. The Lions also won the title (all against the Browns) in 53, 54, 57.
The Lions last playoff win was 1991. 38-6 against Dallas. They then lost to Washington 41-10.
They have lost 9 straight playoff games. Seattle, Dallas, Saints, Wash, Tampa, Philly, Green Bay, Green Bay, Wash.
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January 9, 2024 at 7:11 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148476wvParticipantVrabel’s record at Tenn:
9-7
9-7
11-5
12-5
7-10
6-11
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That is not a bad record.
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wvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipant…That tweet of course comes from twitter, where “the trade” debate was heavy. …
…the Rams are tanking why didn’t they trade off Stafford when they had a chance now he’s just going to struggle on a stripped down team
…But. As for this week? Nuance shmu-ance. Go Rams.
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Does that mean the Rams are… Tankies?
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wvParticipantMan, Wentz wanted it. I’m glad.
10-7.
Rams go to Detroit well-rested. Interesting.
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wvParticipantNice to see Bobby Wagner make the pro bowl, btw. I liked him.
Stafford over Goff? Sigh. Tough one. Goff definitely had the edge in stats, and the Lions won more games. But Stafford makes those throws nobody else can make.
I dunno.
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wvParticipantSo, i know AD made the pro-bowl again, but he didn’t seem to be quite the wrecking ball he has been in past years — yes? No? I dunno. Has Aaron Donald ‘lost a step’ ? As good as ever? Is this question anathema? Heretical? w v
Donald is a shadow of his former self. Which means he has been reduced to nothing more than a standard issue pro bowl DL who is top 5 in pressures. Father time always wins.
Indeed. Happened to Chuck Norris, Billy Jack, Chris Massey.
Sigh.
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wvParticipantRadio broadcast would be just fine with me, then. w v
And what if the only way to listen to it is to subscribe to Sirius?
Well, i would join the Weather Underground, and proudly use my rams mug, among them.
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wvParticipantSeems like he’s still getting high ratings from PFF, in spite of getting double-teamed and held all the time.
Absolutely. Still a great player. But is he what he was? I dunno.
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wvParticipantLooking at this stat–excluding quarterbacks, where does KW rank on “rushing yards before contact per attempt” ? He’s tied for 1st (with McAffrey) at 3.2. And no other Ram is even close. The next on the list is Rivers and Freeman at 2.5, which is tied for 18th. So with KW it’s both the OL blocking well and KW reading/using his blocks really well. KW actually isn’t that impressive after contact. He doesn’t rank very high there (he ranks just about the middle of the league on that stat, 20th of 47). His major damage is done before contact–reading and using the blocking while reading the defenders who are attacking the LOS. 726 of his total 1144 yards rushing come before contact.
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Yeah, this matches up with the eyeball conclusion. He’s a genius at quickly deciding on/creating the best hole. What Cooper Kupp has been to Stafford, K. Williams has been with his Offensive Linemen. There’s a ‘synergy’ or a sharing-of-one-brain, or ‘somethin.’ And it ‘has’ to involve coaching, as well. Some OLine coach is ‘in on this’.
I cant remember ‘enjoying’ watching ‘the way’ a RB runs this much since Faulk. And since Faulk had more talent, its almost ‘more’ fun to watch KW because he’s doing it with less raw-measurable-talent.
Its often a subtle nuanced talent. And it took me a while to ‘see it.’ But once you see it, you just have to smile on almost every run. Whether its a one yard gain or a fifteen yard gain he’s ‘do’in shit’ out there.
AND, despite him not being Earl Campbell after-contact, he does have a fun ‘pop’ when he’s pass blocking. And he blocks cleanly, efficiently. Some backs just look like they are gonna hurt themselves pass-blocking. He knows how to hurt the other guy with one shot.
Fun team. Really fun team. Stafford’s out-of-this-world accuracy and boldness. Kupp’s brilliant-shifty-ness. Pakua’s competitive professionalism and enthusiasm. KW. Aaron Donald. The Conductor. Swiss-army knife Higby. The big bad Guards.
Just a few players and a kicker shy of being Ring worthy.
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wvParticipantRadio broadcast would be just fine with me, then.
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wvParticipantGoff’s numbers. Fwiw. Good QB. Good enough?
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/jared-goff-career-stats-outdoors
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wvParticipantNone of those scenarios has the Packers losing to the Bears. Which is going to happen.
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