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wvParticipantJust some insight into the RFK Jr. campaign, from an insider.
wvParticipantI’m calling this a Revenge Game. I dont care.
Some of us still remember.
And don’t let them film the pregame walk thru, or
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vwvParticipantSome funny race talk in the last segment
wvParticipantJust some Thomas Frank
wvParticipantwvParticipantI dont like it when teams have their best game of the year against the Rams. I maintain that is a bad thing.
Cards, Bears, Dolphins.w
vwvParticipantHe had some solid teams. Too bad he had to go up against the 85 Bears, with a Canadian quarterback.
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vwvParticipantFwiw, I heard a blurb on a vid: “those making 50,000 dollars or less supported Trump. Those making 100,000 or more supported Kamala”
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vwvParticipantMiami’s weird dominance of LA continues. I think they have won 11 of 13 now.
Rams clinky-clunky season continues. It would not surprise me if they end up being the best team that does not make the playoffs. That was a HUGE loss.
I was worried about the OLine. You never know if players coming back that first game are gonna have the juice.
Rams defense is so encouraging though. They still need two or three players but that is doable for next year.
4-5 with 8 to play. Patriots, Eagles, Saints, Bills, 49ers, Jets, Cards, Seahawks.
Umm, i would say the Pat game is a must win.
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vwvParticipant3 Prices were high. I mean food costs are bad.
To be honest, for me, that’s the main one. Biden didn’t have charisma either and the millions of racists and sexists among Magas were the same in 2020, but Trump had a bad economy in 2020 so there was turnout for Biden.
As for the world ending, I have actual, real, and authoritative divine assurances that that won’t happen till after the Rams next super bowl win. So, things are fine.
I think high prices were the main one, too. Not the only one, but the main one.
Every Kamala ad on my internet leading up to the election was about that issue. But I suspect she was not believable. Biden seemed more believable. (I’m not saying “I” believed him)Maybe Covid helped Biden, too, and hurt Trump. All the chaos.
If the Dems can win the House back in two years, maybe the world wont end quite as quickly.
I mean how much damage can the Reps do in two years 🙂w
vwvParticipantThis is a long subject. Way too much for me to type.
Yeah I hear ya. But this time it was kind of frustrating. Harris wasn’t even offering Bernie’s watered down social democracy stuff, she was offering solid, ordinary demand-side proposals (for example she knows that you create jobs by encouraging small businesses not big business). Not leftist stuff, just solid, ordinary centrist stuff. It’s not that people turned that down, per se, they never even heard about it. All they know is that with Harris, criminal Mongol invasion level woke immigrants hordes would be taking their guns so they could force “regular” people’s kids to turn trans.
Its hard for me to talk about this election because two (among others) things get conflated.
One — is Why did Kamala lose to Trump.
Two — why is the world ending.They both interest me, but they both have their…nuances.
Generally, I’d guess Kamala lost because
1 there’s a slice of Racists on the Right.
2 there’s a slice of Misogynists on the Right.
3 Prices were high. I mean food costs are bad.
4 Personal Charisma. Trump has a ton. Kamala has negative 100.Now. As to why and how the capitalist duopoly is ending the world…..
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vwvParticipantThe David Brooks piece in the NY Times is getting a lot of attention.
The problem with that entire argument is that it acts like the racism and sexism and transphobia etc of the Trump voter is just this superficial thing and they’re voting for their economic interests.
It’s bs. They’re voting AGAINST their economic interests.
They’re voting FOR their race, gender, cis, straight, anti-immigrant prejudices. That’s how they’re conned into voting against their economic interests.
It’s just another weak version of the “class is everything” argument claiming there is a working-class wisdom to the Trump vote. Well, no, and puke. If there;s any group of people who vote most blindly against their own economic interests it’s Trump voters.
The whole “class is everything” approach is invariably done wrong. Plus it has the added drawback of dividing the left. To me an actual, real class analysis of this election would focus on the ways in which Trump voters routinely vote directly against their own class interests.
Well, I am a doomer in part because i think a large amount of the working class will not and can not relate to a leftist economic argument.
For example, i have never forgotten the fact that Bernie was winning the Dem Primary — because the opposing forces were divided. But as soon as it got down to one — Biden — the voters picked Biden. For lots of reasons but the choice was stark. A lot of people like to talk about that election like the DNC cheated Bernie, but the voters knew what the diff was between Bernie and Biden. No-one twisted dem arms to get them to pick Biden.
I could go on about why, i agree a class analysis just bounces off DEMS, let alone Reps.
This is a long subject. Way too much for me to type.
I think the Left is fucked. And thus, so is the planet.
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vwvParticipant“…The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively…” Forbes
wvParticipantBernie’s got a vid where he solemnly, calmly states he ‘disagrees’ with Kamala’s Israel policy, etc. I watched it and thought, what if a Nazi politician had done a vid where he ‘disagreed’ with killing all the commies and jews. ‘Disagreed’. Jeezus.
I see a lot of voices (tweeter) on the left trying to make out that Harris lost bc of Gaza, and…you know…that’s not it. One thing I’ve noticed in my life is that few people get upset at the suffering and deaths of people they do not know personally. Is that a Leftist thing? I’ll have to ponder that.
Yeah, Leftists took the genocide seriously, but the rest of the country couldn’t care less or were misinformed, or loved jesus-and-israel etc.
I dont think the US-Israel genocide had much of an impact, except maybe in Michigan.
Which sez a lot about the complete moral-decay and capitalist-pathology of US primates.
At any rate, I’m pretty disconnected from Dem-Rep politics, though, these days. So, I dont have a good sense of the exact algebra of why the soul-less Duplicat lost and the Buffoon Replicant won.
But I am curious. (In a quirky, doomer, apocalyptic, wry way. ) I like to keep up on mainstream capitalist-pathology and ecocide-culture. 🙂 So, i will read around, the next few weeks, as i did in 2016. Probly the same exact forces are at play. Same factions.
My gut tells me, that Kamala is John Kerry. She’s Bob Dole. She’s just got a dull personality that did not excite enough people. Shallow amerikunz. Ya know.
Leftists often like to say Dems lose because the party moved too far right, and abandoned the working class. I mean, leftists always say that. Could be truth to that. I dunno. Thats why LEFTISTS didnt like her. But Clinton won twice by moving right. Obama won twice by moving right. I mean, the Dem ecocide-coalition sometimes works. Sometimes it doesnt. I dunno.
RD Kelly saying the usual leftist stuff about the Dems abandoning the working class…
wvParticipantroberto clemente@rclemente2121nfl oddity: no super bowl era team has come close to owning the rams as much the miami dolphins, the rams are a crazy 2-12 against the fins. that said, of the 14 dolphin teams the rams have faced, only 3 finished the year with a losing record. time for some payback!Yeah, Miami has dominated the Rams. The GSOT was the last ram team to beat em in 2001. Rams have lost five in a row.
I actually still remember the non-GSOT win over the Dolphins. 1976. 31-28.
Ron Jesse had a big game. Harold Jackson. James Harris.
wvParticipantThe David Brooks piece in the NY Times is getting a lot of attention.
wvParticipantSaw this on a Sabby Sabs vid. Had a hard time finding it in a stand alone vid.
wvParticipantWhite women.
“…Trump’s success with white women highlighted a longstanding truth: this group votes for Republicans. Over the last 72 years, a plurality of white women have voted for the Democratic candidate in only two presidential elections – in 1964, when Lyndon Johnson won 44 states, and in 1996, when Bill Clinton ran in a three-way race.” Guardian
wvParticipantMelt-downs. Cenk Uygur at the 1:14 mark.
wvParticipantWisconsin.
2016, Trump got 6 percent of the black vote.
2024, Trump got 22 percent of the black vote.
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wvParticipantLatino voters
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-economy-latino-vote-2024-election-rcna178951
“…From the beginning of the election to its final days, Latino voters in interviews and polls consistently named economy, inflation or higher costs as their No. 1 issue and gave Trump the advantage on them. Pennsylvania voter Regino Cruz, 25, said Tuesday that he voted for Trump, believing the former president could improve the economy…
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Carlos Odio, co-founder of Equis Research, a Democrat-leaning polling and research company, said Latino voters who backed Trump liked his prioritization of the economy.“That was the message they got about Trump coming out of the pandemic, that this guy is going to prioritize the economy better than everyone else,” Odio said. “They even told us in focus groups they didn’t believe Trump was going to do any of the other stuff, whether it was banning abortion, repealing Obamacare or deporting Dreamers. They viewed that as political propaganda and ultimately viewed him as a businessman who was going to put the money first,” Odio said.
Odio warned against pinning the election outcome on the Democratic drop in Latino support. Trump had “eye-popping gains” among Latinos in “places like New York and New Jersey and Texas and Florida,” he said. But Trump’s victory came down to a broader erosion of support from voters.
“There’s a temptation to look at campaign tactics, but when you have a broad erosion, you have to zoom out and look at the crises of migration and inflation,” Odio said. “The twin crises of economy and migration have doomed incumbents across the world.”
A rightward shift on immigration — and a gender divide
Latino voters, like other voter groups, shifted right on immigration, backing tougher enforcement against large groups of people arriving at the border that have strained resources in communities that have attempted to shelter them. In the September NBC News poll, 35% of Latinos polled said that immigration hurts more than it helps, the highest share of Latino voters to say so in about 20 years of surveys.
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Hispanic men were among the voter groups propelling Trump to victory and his record Latino vote share.Nationally, NBC News exit polls estimate that 54% of Latino men voted for Trump, while 44% supported Harris.
..…But among Latinas, 61% voted for Harris, and a much lower share (37%) supported Trump. …”
wvParticipant“…The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively…” Forbes
wvParticipantwvParticipantFrom the Ben Norton vid up there. In the 2024 election for the first time, self-declared ‘Independent’ voters outnumbered Democrat voters.
Turnout:
34 percent were Independent.
34 percent Republican.
32 percent Democrat.
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wvParticipantwvParticipantI keep coming across the Schumer quote from July of 2016:
“At least publicly, Schumer has no worries about his party’s dwindling fortunes among working-class white voters. “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” Natl. Review article
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wvParticipantI’m sure being a woman of color didn’t help, but yeah…
Right. Which speaks to the fact there are some factions in the Blue or Red pies that are just givens. There is a white supremacist faction that will always go Republican. And Patriarchal ‘family values’ fundamentalist christian faction that will always go Republican. Also a white-wealthy-country-club crowd that will always go Rep.
So, yeah, the woman of color thing hurt the pr0-genocide, pro-ecocide, soul-less, mind-numbingly-dull Dem.
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wvParticipantOh, thank goodness. I was beginning to think I was the only Rams fan on this board. I feel like I stepped into some kind of weird Dolphin orgy here.
That happened to me at Sea World once. I accidentally slipped and fell into their tank.
I dont think captive-dolphin-orgies have anything to do with the rams red zone problems.
I want that on the record.
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wvParticipantwvParticipantI see a lot of voices (tweeter) on the left trying to make out that Harris lost bc of Gaza, and…you know…that’s not it. One thing I’ve noticed in my life is that few people get upset at the suffering and deaths of people they do not know personally. Is that a Leftist thing? I’ll have to ponder that.
Yeah, Leftists took the genocide seriously, but the rest of the country couldn’t care less or were misinformed, or loved jesus-and-israel etc.
I dont think the US-Israel genocide had much of an impact, except maybe in Michigan.
Which sez a lot about the complete moral-decay and capitalist-pathology of US primates.
At any rate, I’m pretty disconnected from Dem-Rep politics, though, these days. So, I dont have a good sense of the exact algebra of why the soul-less Duplicat lost and the Buffoon Replicant won.
But I am curious. (In a quirky, doomer, apocalyptic, wry way. ) I like to keep up on mainstream capitalist-pathology and ecocide-culture. 🙂 So, i will read around, the next few weeks, as i did in 2016. Probly the same exact forces are at play. Same factions.
My gut tells me, that Kamala is John Kerry. She’s Bob Dole. She’s just got a dull personality that did not excite enough people. Shallow amerikunz. Ya know.
Leftists often like to say Dems lose because the party moved too far right, and abandoned the working class. (see vid with RD Kelly below) I mean, leftists always say that. Could be truth to that. I dunno. Thats why LEFTISTS didnt like her. But Clinton won twice by moving right. Obama won twice by moving right. I mean, the Dem ecocide-coalition sometimes works. Sometimes it doesnt. I dunno.
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