zn wrote:

Should a no. 2 pick need that? Well many have. GR won’t be the first. If he is redeemable, then, he will be one of the few no. 2 picks over the years who struggled, who then WAS redeemed. Most no. 2 picks that struggle, then just fail.

Yea…I agree with all of that

As I said though, I haven’t lost all faith in the guy yet. I still think if he washes out at LT he can plug in at guard.

I have a case of the Monday Redface after that 2nd half yesterday.

Needed a break?

January is comin, he can have a break then.

The only break he needs is to break his habit of holding on to defenders.

I have to say, I’m very impressed with the quick decisions he’s making out there. I’m sure he’s missing an open guy here and there…but I really like the way he’s going about his business.

Agamemnon wrote:

wv wrote:

4-7 And the Patriots waiting. Sigh.

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Does it get any better? Ever? Anyway, Goff had a good game.

I’m not really concerned with the Pats anymore, for more reasons than one, but I don’t think we’re gonna see an offensive show like that again this year.

The Saints had a plan…they killed the Rams with the TE’s…really had no answer for them at all. Then it became ridiculous late in the game.

Gurley showed more quickness than in games past but not as much power as last year.

Saffold lasted 1 game at LT…I at least predicted 2 before he was injured. Don’t call for him at LT because he’ll be in an emergency ward quicker than a marine rushing Hill 32.

Ej Gaines is another sick bay commando. Plays 2 games needs 2 games on the couch. He needs to get an apartment with Spruce and they can alternate injuries.

Donnal did a respectable job as a fill in…although he did get a flag thrown on him.

Joyner with a decent game but was burned when EJ went to the sideline for the 1st time. I’m gettin over EJ and his boo-boo’s.

Looked like they wanted to go to TA early and often, had some success, then just went away from him..again, it appears this O does not have an identity.

Edit…uh oh, I forgot to use the quote function…sorry mods.

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WOW….Just a flat benching. I must say I’m a little surprised.

Maybe Battle get’s a crack? Doubt it though, he seems pretty far down the line.

Saffold has started to play effectively at Guard the last couple of games, I would hate to see them move him back to Tackle.

zn wrote:

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

Actually the story started a lot earlier locally, this wasn’t nearly as sudden or unexpected as the national press has reported. Norv is a classy guy , Zimmer has been a whiny finger pointer in the past. Shurmur pushed to bring in Bradford and because of his familiarity with Bradford called the plays the first two games which was before the OL lost some players, they were thin but now they’re playing people off the street. Here’s an article from January.

Pat Shurmur hire reflects Vikings’ changing dynamics on offense
Jan 24, 2016
Ben Goessling
ESPN Staff Writer

MINNEAPOLIS — After the Minnesota Vikings hired Pat Shurmur — a former head coach who has five years of experience as an offensive coordinator — on Saturday night, locking him up before he could talk to the Los Angeles Rams about a possible job as a passing coordinator, coach Mike Zimmer had compiled an offensive staff with three former NFL head coaches and coordinators on it.

And while a league source said Shurmur’s job title has yet to be finalized, it’s probably safe to assume this: Shurmur wasn’t going to end his job search after one stop had Zimmer not pitched him on a plan big enough to get him to put down roots in Minnesota.
http://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/17882/pat-shurmur-hire-reflects-vikings-changing-dynamics-on-offense

Okay. Though that particular piece sounds like a lot of speculation. What’s clear to me is that they had to react to both losing Peterson and much of the starting OL. That’s really the context of this discussion. Saying that, to me, was a clearer thing than just “Bradford dinked and dunked.” The situation is, their OL is a wreck. Any differences between Turner (to whom I have no loyalty) and Zimmer (to whom I have no loyalty) stems from that, it seems to me.

That does sound like a lot of speculation. However, the move for Bradford and what they gave up for him then the sudden walkaway by Turner starts to add a little credence to the story.

If I’m a well respected OC and been doing this for a long time and then the HC goes and brings in another OC and says publicly he doesn’t know what title he has but he’ll figure it out…sends a shot over my bow I would think.

zn wrote:

Turner didn’t agree with how Zimmer on how to do that. So, he just walked. That;s the story.

I’m not conspiracy theory believer…but this just sounds strange to me. I’m sure the HC and OC have disagreements about strategy all the time..Hell, we on this board have it all figured out and still we find time to not agree on some things.

I’m not saying what you reported is inaccurate, I just find it a little confusing.

What I am pretty sure about is Boras has underwhelmed as an OC and if Fisher is gonna get another shot at redemption a change is in order there.

zn wrote:

Personally I am not going to put this albatross around his neck and say “you have to be worth x amount of picks.”

I am just going to go, good they have a franchise qb.

I would agree with that, unfortunately it happens all the time. I think that’s part of why Austin is so scrutinized and you can add Quick to that…they are held to where they were drafted and what was given up to draft them.

I don’t think it’s fair to say because what they gave up to get him he has to be Brady2. I also don’t think he has to be the best QB in the draft just because he was No.1…I just want him to be a good solid QB that the good guys can lean on, it’s been a while and that’s a key spot.

I still think Fisher is back next year.

Why would ownership agree to extend Austin then bring in another coach? It’s not like TA is a no brainer signing and I believe Fisher was behind the extension…then, if Stan brings in another coach who doesn’t see the value in TA it’s kind of a wasted player.

I would be fine with Fisher staying on and keeping Weinke and Groh and adding a real OC like Turner…Norv with Fisher and GW would turn this team in to a winner IMO. I wanted them to sign Turner when Cleveland let him go but they really showed no interest, that I know of, and he went to Minny. Not really sure what happened up there in Minny but I know that offense has imploded. I think some of that is because Norv left.

Happy Turkey days guys hopr ya’ll had a great time. Sorry I’m late to this party but Thanksgiving is big at my house…It’s the wife’s day to shine around my family.

The menu was

Pit roasted Turkey, Prime Rib, and Ham
Mashed Potatoes and giblet gravy
Corn
Baked sweet potatoes
Yams

As for pies

Apple
Pumpkin
Banana cream
Chocolate pudding pie

I’m not so sure that isn’t his offense. I know Fish would like to have balance and right now the team isn’t balanced, because they can’t run the ball. I think this is kinda chicken and egg thing.

They can’t run the ball because the whole D is within 10 yds of the LOS and they can’t throw the ball deep because everybody is within 10 yds of the LOS and the QB doesn’t have time.

IMO they have running 3 step drops and 5-8 yd routes since Fisher arrived, with the exception of when they were gonna run the spread and that lasted what 4 games and then Fish dumped it.

Look…I like a balanced attack. I think that’s the offense to have because it gives the O flexibility to take what the D is giving…but to do this the QB has to go downfield, and I don’t mean 1 or 2 bombs a game…I mean attack those 11-20 yd throws and Fisher has not shown the willingness to do that.

Thanks Ag..good watch

He did try a couple of those mid range outs…little more time and those are gonna start dropping in the right hands.

I was watching throw after throw around 5 yards deep…then I started to notice all the receivers were the same depth….kinda why Miami was all over them. The receivers aren’t at different depths so clogging up the whole field with defenders.

Ozoneranger wrote:

I’d be shocked if he were extended at this point. Why wait? Why let him twist in the wind?

He’s had his chance to build a winner. He’s thrown an immense amount of resources at the offense, then hires coaches with little or no imagination for offense. Okay, so he lost a QB to injury. So what? Look at this team at this moment in time. We cannot score points. The scheme is tantamount to drawing plays in the sand. It’s a 1970s offense. And to quote that scene in Cool Hand Luke…”that’s the way he wants it.” The last four games bears this out. Hell, the last five years bears this out

I used the blue out funtion Zn..pretty sweet

Zone…good points and I actually agree with most of what you posted here…I just think he’s gonna be back next year.

As to why he’s twisting in the wind, I don’t think he is I think he’s well aware of where he stands contract wise and it allowed him to be overly cautious with Goff.

I think he gives Fisher another year minimum for Goff. He saw first hand the revolving door of coaches and OC’s Sam had to deal with and it sure didn’t help and may have hindered his development some.

I think the O is beyond basic…Miami was sitting on the slant route and Goff still completed several. In the pre-season I saw them sitting on the slant and CK went over the top to a streaking Kendricks down the middle…where is that play?

I’m hoping, maybe not believing so much, they have more plays in that book just aren’t running them yet.

Weinke – Jared I want you to work on the short throws to the right side

Goff – Forget that…I’m goin deep left

nittany ram wrote:

sanbagger wrote:

zn wrote:

sanbagger wrote:

Are you kidding me? Still under the influence on the way to practice?

What a dumbass.

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He is that.

Wonder if he gets cut? Fisher really has to stick to “no more 7-9 bullshit” comment and in my mind this fits that bill.

The guy was comin on…then decides to drive to work drunk…I just don’t get it.

Fisher cut a guy for having a girl in his dorm room. Hard to see how he can let this slide as this is much more egregious.
On the other hand the guy he cut wasn’t going to make the team anyway. Troy Hill has struggled but he plays a lot and they drafted him with the expectation of becoming a quality starter eventually. It will be interesting to see what Fisher does.

That’s why I made that point…if he doesn’t take a hard stance with Hill it makes his whole speech empty IMO.

Hill wasn’t drafted by the Rams…He was an UFA signed off waivers by the Patriots.

I thought he was really showing up with the more PT he was getting.