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nittany ramModeratorI didn’t have it on my list but I may check it out. I really don’t know anything about the character. I never read the comic. I was turned off a bit by the city turning upside down. I thought it felt like an “Inception” rip-off.
But I do like Cumberbatch. I may check it out.
I saw “Inferno” last week. Better than the reviews but all Dan Brown novels are pretty much the same. But I enjoy the little historical notes and locations.
Visually Dr Strange is better than Inception. The visuals are much more complex. But it’s not overdone. It’s just cool to watch.
I saw Inferno and liked it as well. I like the ‘historical puzzle’ aspect of it.
Also saw The Accountant recently and enjoyed it. The premise was interesting for an action film – Much better than Jack Reacher. But the best film I’ve seen recently is Girl on a Train. Very dark and suspenseful with a twist.
nittany ramModeratorMy wife and I saw it last night. It’s got an Academy Award for special effects in its future – see it in 3D. It has the clever/witty dialogue that is a hallmark of all Marvel films and Cumberbatch was the perfect choice for Dr Strange. We really liked it.
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nittany ramModeratorOne other thing I’d add:
Junk Science
Whether it’s creation science, bought and paid for oil company science, a war on science and intellectualism–you name it.
The country is misled, dumbed down, and wondering in circles with bad information.
Not good.
I think what you are describing here is an ignorance that is pervasive in our society amongst people who didn’t actually absorb a sufficient amount of education.
There is a wide belief that “everyone is entitled to an opinion,” and that therefore all opinions are just more or less equal. You know, “you’ve got some facts; I’ve got some facts. We have each made up an opinion.”
I think this is what underlies the climate change denial in this country. People who deny climate change just don’t understand how scientific knowledge grows. They don’t understand academia. To some of them, academia is a bunch of “la-di-da” fancy pants who don’t live in the “real” world. Who are somehow detached from reality, and live with their heads in a cloud of big words and a sense of superiority. They don’t understand that people study the hell out of something, and take a huge risk in publishing it, opening it up to the scrutiny of really smart people all over the planet who have studied the hell out of the same thing, and are going to critique that study, and publish their opinions on it. There is a global conversation going on amongst the experts on any given subject, all the time. Theories get posited and get reviewed and re-tested and probed and prodded by experts. And consensus develops that way. That is how it works.
And along comes somebody who says, “Yeah, that’s not true! My opinion is as good as yours anyway.”
So I don’t know what you do about that. It would be nice if the media would stop pretending like all opinions need to be presented with equal weight.
Yes, there’s a false equivalency.
It’s what elevates the biblical account of creation to the same level as the scientific account.
Many people will tell you that the creation interpretation is equally as valid as the scientific one but of course it’s not.
One is a story from the Bronze Age that has been passed down unchanged through the generations without being questioned by its proponents.
The other is the result of rigorous investigative work that is backed by evidence and is continually evolving as new evidence comes to light. It doesn’t claim to be right. It just claims to be the best interpretation based on the evidence.
And I agree about education levels being at the root of this. I’m sure you would find that on overage creationists have a lot less education than non-creationists.
But it’s not just a lack of education. It can also just be about perception. For example, many anti-GMO and anti-vaccination people are highly educated. But even the highly educated can be duped by their own belief systems and by the prevailing propaganda that’s often based on junk science.
You mentioned climate change and you correctly described the years of hard work and research among many different climate scientists that led it to become a scientific consensus. Well, the same applies to GMO technology and there’s actually a bigger consensus among scientists that GMOs are safe than there is that man-made climate change is happening, yet many people, many of them highly educated, continue to believe they are unsafe or the ‘jury’s still out’.
I think it’s easier for people to believe in climate change. Climate is easy to understand. It’s less abstract. Most people, even educated ones, don’t know a lot about genetics and a lot of what they do know has been corrupted by bad science fiction stories. Because of that, people are unduly afraid of genetics research and the products of that research.
nittany ramModeratormy question is why can’t we have open source gmos?
We can…
nittany ramModeratorTo you sir I say balderdash and poppycock…
Strawmen and selective statistics: Did The New York Times botch its critique of GMO crops?
Andrew Kniss | October 31, 2016 | Genetic Literacy ProjectAndrew Kniss is an internationally respected independent plant scientist and weed specialist at the University of Wyoming. He is best known for his focus on sustainable agriculture. This critique originally appeared on the blog that he contributes to, Control Freaks, under the title “The tiresome discussion of initial GMO expectations”–read it here–and reproduced with the permission of the author.
A new article in the New York Times [“Doubts About the Promised Bounty of Genetically Modified Crops” by Dany Hakim”] has questioned the benefits associated with genetically engineered crops (which I’ll call GMOs for brevity). The response to the article has been pretty predictable; folks who don’t like GMOs are circulating it to say “I told you so.” And ag-twitter has exploded with claims that the New York Times is biased against the technology.
The article makes some reasonable points that GMO crops are not a ‘silver bullet’ cure all technology. But almost any reasonable person has already acknowledged that. In a nutshell, the article has 2 main conclusions: GMO crops don’t yield more, and GMO crops haven’t reduced pesticide use. These two items were initially claimed as reasons to invest in and adopt GMO crops, and for many years, we’ve been hearing about how these crops either have or have not met the initial expectations. Danny Hakim looked at some data and has come down pretty solidly on the side of “have not” met expectations. From the Times article:
An analysis by The Times using United Nations data showed that the United States and Canada have gained no discernible advantage in yields — food per acre — when measured against Western Europe, a region with comparably modernized agricultural producers like France and Germany. Also, a recent National Academy of Sciences report found that “there was little evidence” that the introduction of genetically modified crops in the United States had led to yield gains beyond those seen in conventional crops.
Of all the arguments against GMO crops, the “failure to yield” talking point is among the oldest, and most exasperating to many of us who work in pest management. I addressed this issue a couple years ago:
If you take a broad look at national level data in the US, it is difficult to make a case that GMOs, as a monolithic entity, have had a dramatic impact on crop yields. But I can think of very few traditional plant breeding efforts that have led to a “quantum leap” in crop yields across the board. If the inability to generate a “quantum leap” in crop yield is a failure of crop biotechnology, it is also a failure of traditional plant breeding methods. Does this mean we should stop investing money in traditional breeding efforts? Certainly not. Why should we expect GMO crops to have this kind of impact?
[T]he only reason we’d see an increase in crop yields due to [current GMO] traits is if we didn’t have adequate tools to manage those pests prior to the introduction of the GMO traits. For corn and soybean in particular, it is not at all surprising we’ve not observed major yield increases due to these traits. Corn and soybean represent huge market opportunities for pesticide development, and therefore, many tools were already available to manage weeds and insect pests in those crops.
But there are situations where GMO traits have contributed to major yield increases.
In that post, I used regional USDA data (not national level data, which often ‘washes out’ any regional benefits of various technologies) to show that increases in yield trajectory are likely attributable to the adoption of GMOs. Please read it if you’re interested in the question of GMOs increasing crop yields. Here, I’m going to instead highlight some of the issues with the pesticide use comparison Mr. Hakim relied upon to draw conclusions about how GMOs affected pesticide use. Mr. Hakim states in his article:
At the same time, herbicide use has increased in the United States, even as major crops like corn, soybeans and cotton have been converted to modified varieties. And the United States has fallen behind Europe’s biggest producer, France, in reducing the overall use of pesticides, which includes both herbicides and insecticides.
…in France, use of insecticides and fungicides has fallen by a far greater percentage — 65 percent — and herbicide use has decreased as well, by 36 percent. – Danny Hakim, NYT
I have to say this comparison seems borderline disingenuous; certainly not what I’d expect from an “extensive examination” published in the New York Times. The NYT provides a few charts in the article, one of which supports the statement about France’s reduced pesticide use. But the figures used to compare pesticide use in France vs the USA are convoluted and misleading. First, the data is presented in different units (thousand metric tons for France, compared to million pounds in the US), making a direct comparison nearly impossible. Second, the pesticide amounts are not standardized per unit area, which is critically important since the USA has over 9 times the amount of farmland that France does; it would be shocking if the U.S. didn’t use far more pesticide when expressed this way. So took the data presented by Mr. Hakim and converted it into the same units, and standardized by arable land, and this is what that same data looks like:hakimsamescale-1024×802
It is true that France has been reducing pesticide use, but France still uses more pesticides per arable hectare than we do in the USA. In the case of fungicide & insecticides, a LOT more. But a relatively tiny proportion of these differences are likely due to GMOs; pesticide use depends on climate, pest species, crop species, economics, availability, tillage practices, crop rotations, and countless other factors. And almost all of these factors differ between France and the U.S. So this comparison between France and the U.S., especially at such a coarse scale, is mostly meaningless, especially with respect to the GMO question. If one of France’s neighboring EU countries with similar climate and cropping practices had adopted GMOs, that may have been a more enlightening (but still imperfect) comparison.
Given all of these confounding factors, I wonder why France was singled out by Mr. Hakim as the only comparison to compare pesticide use trends. Pesticide use across Europe varies quite a bit, and trends in most EU countries are increasing, France is the exception in this respect, not the rule. In the early 1990’s, France was using more herbicides compared to almost every other country, so it shouldn’t be too surprising that pesticide use decreased as formation of the EU began to standardize pesticide regulations after 1993. If the increase in herbicide use in the U.S. is due to GMOs, what can explain the increase in herbicide use throughout most of Europe, where GMO varieties are not available?europeherbicideuse-1024×512
But all of the discussion about weight of pesticides applied doesn’t really provide much insight into pesticide use anyway, especially when it comes to the impacts of GMO crops. An increase in the weight applied could be due to replacing 5 or 6 different pesticides for one pesticide that is used at a higher rate. Or we could decrease pesticide weight applied by substituting one relatively safe pesticide for one that is highly toxic, but used at a lower rate. This problem was noted by the recent National Academies report on GMO crops (emphasis mine):
The use of HR crops sometimes initially correlated with decreases in total amount of herbicide applied per hectare of crop per year, but the decreases have not generally been sustained. However, such simple determination of whether total kilograms of herbicide used per hectare per year has gone up or down is not useful for assessing changes in human or environmental risks.
RECOMMENDATION: Researchers should be discouraged from publishing data that simply compares total kilograms of herbicide used per hectare per year because such data can mislead readers. – National Academies, GE Crop Report
Mr. Hakim cited the NAS report to support his conclusions on yield gains, but apparently missed this important recommendation from the report. Instead of looking at weight of pesticides applied, it is more instructive to look at the number of active ingredients being applied to each field. I recently did this for the U.S. and found that herbicide treatments were increasing in the three glyphosate resistant crops (corn, soybean, and cotton). But herbicide use was also increasing in rice and wheat, where no GMO varieties are commercially available. In fact, the pace of herbicide increase was slower in the GMO crops than non-GMO crops. From these data, one could make a plausible argument that GMO crops have decreased herbicide use, since the increase in herbicide use has been slower compared to non-GMO crops. But this is the problem with trying construct a narrative from imperfect, national-level data. I don’t actually know whether GMO crops have increased or decreased herbicide use (and neither does Mr. Hakim). We can each use different versions of the best data available to fit a particular narrative if we want to. But the answer is far more complex than anything we can derive from data that weren’t explicitly generated with this question in mind.areatreatment6plot-1024×585
Mr. Hakim decided not to delve too deeply into the toxicity differences in the pesticides being used, except for the following (rather remarkable) comment:
Pesticides are toxic by design — weaponized versions, like sarin, were developed in Nazi Germany — and have been linked to developmental delays and cancer. – Danny Hakim, NYT
I’m a little taken aback that Mr Hakim went full Godwin in the New York Times in an article about GMOs and pesticides. Setting that aside, it is indisputable that pesticides are, indeed, toxic. But so are antibiotics, and pet flea collars, and nutritional supplements, and salt, and caffeine, and almost every other thing we come into contact with in our daily lives. With respect to the impacts of pesticide use, the question should be how toxic, and to which organisms? The toxicity of different pesticides differs dramatically, by several orders of magnitude. And many pesticides are practically non-toxic to humans. To say that pesticides are all toxic, while certainly true, misses the point. The questions we should be asking is whether we are using pesticides that are more or less toxic than we would be using if we didn’t have GMOs. Mr. Hakim decided not to address this issue. But I have.
The herbicide that we’re using more of because of GMO crops has probably contributed to a major reduction in chronic toxicity (I say probably, because again, we can’t know for sure what would happen in an alternate universe without GMOs). Glyphosate has a lower chronic toxicity than 90% of all herbicides used in the US in the last 25 years. In 2014 to 2015, glyphosate made up 26% of corn, 43% of soybean, and 45% of cotton herbicide treatments, yet only contributed 0.1%, 0.3%, and 3.5% of the total chronic toxicity of herbicide use in those crops, respectively.
There are trade-offs involved with every decision farmers make, including the choice to use (or not use) glyphosate and GMO crops. If GMO crops were not available in the U.S., or if glyphosate use were discontinued (as was recently proposed in the EU), the resulting displacement of glyphosate by other herbicides would almost certainly have a negative impact on chronic health risks faced pesticide applicators and farm workers.
I really hope the conversation can eventually move beyond whether GMO crops have met some arbitrary initial expectations, regardless of the origin of those expectations. If that means we all need to simply acknowledge that GMO’s have failed to meet those goals, then fine. I concede. Not because I think the data overwhelmingly support that conclusion, but because this is a tiresome conversation that distracts from much more important issues in agriculture. GMO’s have not (and will not) result in an agricultural panacea. But that doesn’t mean they don’t have value.
Andrew Kniss is an internationally respected independent plant scientist and weed specialist at the University of Wyoming. He is best known for his focus on sustainable agriculture. This critique originally appeared on the blog that he contributes to, Control Freaks, under the title “The tiresome discussion of initial GMO expectations”–read it here–and reproduced with the permission of the author. Follow Andrew on Twitter @WyoWeeds
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nittany ramModeratorA promising start to the season is quickly going south for the Vikings. I can barely contain my tears….
nittany ramModeratorThe reigning NFL MVP said after Sunday’s 30-20 win against the Arizona Cardinals that he planned to talk to Goodell about an issue that has made him feel unsafe in the pocket.
I wonder what Jack Lambert would say to that.
nittany ramModeratorNMR, what is your avatar? Is that the big, red button that should be never pushed (but the one the Donald wondered out loud why we don’t push it)?
Almost looks like the eye of a Dalek to me…
It looks like HAL the computer from 2001, A Space Oddity.
“What are you doing, Dave?”
November 1, 2016 at 1:30 pm in reply to: Nothin would be fina than beatin Carolina … can they do it? #56508
nittany ramModeratorWe got people saying the Rams will win by only 10 points, 7 points, ***3*** points. A few people even question whether the Rams CAN win. One loyal “fan” even predicts a LOSS. That’s right, a LOSS!
Apparently I’m the only Rams fan here.
Sad that a once great Rams board has been reduced to a forum in which Panthers fans are free to flame the board without repercussion.
nittany ramModeratorThe late Paul Neumann’s company supposedly donates all their profits to charity. So in that way they are a good company. Of course I don’t know what ‘charities’ they are donating to. It could be ‘Aryans for a Whiter America’ for all I know.
I think the quality of their food is decent too. I really like their ‘Sockarooni’ spaghetti sauce.
October 31, 2016 at 5:06 pm in reply to: Nothin would be fina than beatin Carolina … can they do it? #56448
nittany ramModeratorThe Rams come out of the bye like a runaway freight train and Carolina is tied to the tracks. All the problems that have been plaguing them this season are fixed.
Rams 49
Panthers 6October 31, 2016 at 4:42 pm in reply to: Birds evolve shorter wings in response to car traffic #56445
nittany ramModeratorI know barn swallows well. They do like nesting under bridges but only where there is water and a large open area. They fly throughout the 100 feet above the ground and also fly extremely low within a few inches of the ground and fly into each other which I doubt the study takes into account. They also sometimes sit in the road. Amazing aerial maneuvers they perform throughout their ceiling.
When I was but a wee lad we had barn swallows nesting under our rain gutters (or spouting as we used to say in central PA) for a few years. The nesting pair would mercilessly dive bomb our cat. She was a beautiful calico named Mitty who was under constant attack from the moment she stepped outside until she got about 50 – 75 feet from the house. They didn’t attack people so much but our cat was always a target.
nittany ramModeratorSee that Donna Brazile fed Clinton a debate question prior to a March debate with Bernie?
Later she becomes DNC chair to replace Wasserman Schultz. What a shock. So the DNC chair is nakedly favoring Clinton, so she gets replaced…with a nakedly pro-Clinton person. That’s how that problem was corrected.
I dunno. On Facepalm right now, I see lots of former Bernie supporters brainwashing themselves into Clinton supporters, and it makes me sad. Let’s not forget who and what she is, people.
Voting for Clinton doesn’t make you a supporter. It could mean you’re just more afraid of the alternative. I plan to vote for Clinton and I know exactly who she is. I think a lot of other people voting for her do too. I know a lot of people who are voting for Clinton but only a few of them like her. It’s just that the alternative is worse. Heck, protecting reproductive rights for women alone makes her a better choice.
nittany ramModeratorYeah, when I first saw the article I thought it looked like a lesson plan for Rams 101.
But then I considered that maybe the writer thought some of the people of SoCal might need an introductory course in the Rams so I cut him some slack.
Plus I was bored and nothing else about the Rams was in my twitter feed.
nittany ramModeratorFix the things that need fixing (running game, inconsistency on defense) and this is actually a very good lookin team.
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The problem is I don’t think either of those things will get fixed this season.
The defense has been inconsistent since Fisher’s been here regardless of who the DC was. The running game could improve a little I suppose but to really fix it they may need better players on the o-line.
I don’t look at it that way. The defense under Williams has always been good when it wasn’t suffering from key injuries. Though sometimes it has been good in spite of key injuries. I don’t think Fisher is the operative person, it’s Williams. That’s his defense. And in fact right now, in spite of being up and down, it is ranked 10th in the league. It just can’t have collapses like the Detroit game, though I took that as being more about having both Tru and Quinn out than anything else.
The same OL last year had Gurley doing better, so I don;t know if it’s personnel per se.
Well, in his last 15 starts Gurley has had only one 100 yard game and only three games where he’s averaged at least 4 yards per carry. So the issue with the running game didn’t start this season. It goes back to the middle of last season.
But I guess all we can do is wait and see how things develop over the rest of this season and hope they improve.
nittany ramModeratorFix the things that need fixing (running game, inconsistency on defense) and this is actually a very good lookin team.
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The problem is I don’t think either of those things will get fixed this season.
The defense has been inconsistent since Fisher’s been here regardless of who the DC was. The running game could improve a little I suppose but to really fix it they may need better players on the o-line.
nittany ramModeratorIt has been a very good bye week for the Rams.
Give Fisher credit.
I knew he’d bounce back.
nittany ramModeratorSo nice to see both Seattle and AZ lose today.
True.
October 30, 2016 at 3:47 pm in reply to: Rams face questions about their quarterback and run game at the bye week #56379
nittany ramModeratorWell, true the Rams had a great o-line back then and Dickerson was Dickerson but I don’t think you need an o-line full of all-pros to run effectively against those fronts when you have a great back. Gurley is a generational talent. He has HOF level skills. He just needs a crease and he’s gone. But the Rams o-line has been so overmatched that Gurley can’t get anything going. He’s constantly being hit in the backfield or at the LOS. And the way defenses are playing the Rams certainly can’t be a surprise to Fisher. He knew coming into the season that the Rams o-line was going to face a lot of 8 and 9 man fronts. He must have thought the o-line would be able to hold up against them. Fisher still figured they would be able to run effectively. I think the o-line isn’t as good as Fisher thought it was going to be. PFF ranks them among the worst in the league. Fisher just overestimated how good his o-line is.
oline is a question mark. i also gotta question scheme and coaching. i wonder how effective boudreau is at coaching this line. i know he’s got a good reputation, but he also has a reputation for sometimes wearing out his welcome. i also have to question if boras is scheming to gurley’s strengths.
and there’s probably things gurley needs to work on himself. i also wonder if maybe losing that weight wasn’t a good thing for him.
Scheme could be an issue. Rich Gannon mentioned that when he watched film of the Rams the blocking schemes sometimes inexplicably left a defender unblocked even when the defense wasn’t stacking the box. Maybe some of that is due to missed assignments but who knows.
Yeah, Boudreau, Gurley – they all could play a role in this.
October 30, 2016 at 3:08 pm in reply to: Rams face questions about their quarterback and run game at the bye week #56376
nittany ramModeratorWhat is the definition of insanity? Not changing anything but expecting different results?
I get that the reason why the Rams can’t run is complex. It’s not all about the o-line. Some of it has to do with the defense not respecting the passing game and overloading the LOS. But as I’ve pointed out before Eric Dickerson set the NFL rushing record of 2,105 yards running against 8 and 9 man fronts that didn’t respect the Rams’ passing game. If you have competent run blocking you can still run effectively if you stick with it.
Not that moving GRob inside is magically going to fix the running game but it could help. Certainly can’t hurt.
BTW, I think Snisher drastically overestimated this o-line’s ability after last season.
I don’t think Dickerson is a fair comparison. That was a multi-pro bowl OL with a HOF running back.
I don;t think there;s a world where you can say “if Eric Dickerson with a multi-pro bowl veteran OL can do it, why can’t anyone else.”
It’s like saying, if Tom Cruise and Keith Urban can appeal to Nicole Kidman, why can’t we.
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Well, true the Rams had a great o-line back then and Dickerson was Dickerson but I don’t think you need an o-line full of all-pros to run effectively against those fronts when you have a great back. Gurley is a generational talent. He has HOF level skills. He just needs a crease and he’s gone. But the Rams o-line has been so overmatched that Gurley can’t get anything going. He’s constantly being hit in the backfield or at the LOS. And the way defenses are playing the Rams certainly can’t be a surprise to Fisher. He knew coming into the season that the Rams o-line was going to face a lot of 8 and 9 man fronts. He must have thought the o-line would be able to hold up against them. Fisher still figured they would be able to run effectively. I think the o-line isn’t as good as Fisher thought it was going to be. PFF ranks them among the worst in the league. Fisher just overestimated how good his o-line is.
nittany ramModeratorOur offense got better and we lost all three games.
I want the offense to suck, again.
They’ve been better for 5 games.
I just produced stats for 3 because it was easier. Someone already did the stats for 3.
And they were worse in the first 2 games and still won one.
And against the Giants the offense (345 yds gained) and defense (232 yds against) both played pretty well. Turnovers killed them.
October 30, 2016 at 12:19 pm in reply to: Rams face questions about their quarterback and run game at the bye week #56363
nittany ramModeratorFisher said he had given no consideration to offensive line changes other than working guard Jamon Brown back into the rotation when he returns from a hand injury.
This isn’t the first time I’ve said this but I think I’d like to see GRob move to left guard and Saffold take over at LT. Saffold was a decent LT a few years ago and the move inside to guard would take advantage of GRob’s strength…mauling defenders in the run game.
they have to change something.
What is the definition of insanity? Not changing anything but expecting different results?
I get that the reason why the Rams can’t run is complex. It’s not all about the o-line. Some of it has to do with the defense not respecting the passing game and overloading the LOS. But as I’ve pointed out before Eric Dickerson set the NFL rushing record of 2,105 yards running against 8 and 9 man fronts that didn’t respect the Rams’ passing game. If you have competent run blocking you can still run effectively if you stick with it.
Not that moving GRob inside is magically going to fix the running game but it could help. Certainly can’t hurt.
BTW, I think Snisher drastically overestimated this o-line’s ability after last season.
October 30, 2016 at 10:26 am in reply to: Trump boots black man from rally calls him ‘thug’ Turns out he's a supporter #56347
nittany ramModeratorI dunno. Could be all true, but somethin smells funny about it.
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vLooking at your avatar it occurred to me that there is an occupation that would be perfect for you.
How would you like to be a Raven Master?
Sounds cool, right?
Of course you’d have to be willing to relocate to the Tower of London.
Update your CV and send it to Prince Charles.
link: http://www.hrp.org.uk/tower-of-london/visit-us/top-things-to-see-and-do/the-ravens/#gs.OyNjHic
October 30, 2016 at 9:32 am in reply to: Rams face questions about their quarterback and run game at the bye week #56346
nittany ramModeratorFisher said he had given no consideration to offensive line changes other than working guard Jamon Brown back into the rotation when he returns from a hand injury.
This isn’t the first time I’ve said this but I think I’d like to see GRob move to left guard and Saffold take over at LT. Saffold was a decent LT a few years ago and the move inside to guard would take advantage of GRob’s strength…mauling defenders in the run game.
October 28, 2016 at 3:34 pm in reply to: Major Travesty: Bundy Brothers Acquitted in Takeover of Oregon Wildlife Refuge #56248
nittany ramModeratorI haven’t followed any of what went on, or the trial, but i heard a snippet about it on NPR. The reporter hinted at some things that made me think the prosecutor just mischarged them. It could be when the jury looked at what happened and tried to match it to the actual charge (conspiracy i think) the facts didnt quite add up to the charge. In other words they probly shoulda been charged with something ELSE, and not what they were on trial for.
NPR said they arrested Bundy’s lawyer as well, for being obstreperous in the courtroom or somethin.
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vDon’t come around here with your high falootin’ lawyer words that most folks never heard of like ‘obstreperous’ and ‘conspiracy’.
Seriously, conspiracy? Why didn’t the prosecutor charge them with stuff like breaking and entering, destruction of government property, making terroristic threats, trespassing etc?
Them Bundy’s should be dancin’ at the end of a rope. Now due to some incompetent lawyerin’ they get to walk.
October 28, 2016 at 11:56 am in reply to: Major Travesty: Bundy Brothers Acquitted in Takeover of Oregon Wildlife Refuge #56230
nittany ramModeratorAgreed Billy. Bundy, the High Plains Moocher and his posse got off because of their privileged status as white christians. Yet in their minds they are somehow victims despite getting all kinds of subsidies from the govt that’s supposedly oppressing them.
October 27, 2016 at 6:35 am in reply to: Politicians aside: Democrats and Republicans are far apart in worldviews. #56178
nittany ramModeratorWell, Billy I also agree with Jill on every issue on that list sans one. It’s funny but obviously the list was written from the Green Party’s perspective of what the correct stance on the issues are since Jill scores all green whereas the others do not. 😉
Also interesting that the “leftist” Jill Stein agrees with the right leaning Libertarian Gary Johnson on more issues than she does with the “liberal” democrat in the race.
nittany ramModeratorYeah, we’ve watched the first season and part of the second and really like it although as PA says there are a few duds. The first three or so episodes were simply brilliant.
nittany ramModeratorAustralia?
No thanks.
I don’t want to live in a country where I could find Shelob clinging to the side of my refrigerator.
nittany ramModeratorDidn’t Carter have a bigly lead over Reagan in the polls with only a few weeks to go in 1980?
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