Cal wrote:

Anyways, from what I’ve seen, Stafford is a guy who will take chances trying to make plays & he will make mistakes. I don’t see how a 33 year old qb changes at this point of his career, especially playing behind the Rams o-line.

yeah. i’m skeptical. i’m not necessarily convinced either way. but i’m skeptical. either way it should be interesting.

Zooey wrote:

zn wrote:

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QB Matthew Stafford has been one of the most efficient passers on play action over the last two seasons.

Since 2019, Stafford has generated the 2nd-most EPA on play action (+84.7) despite using play action at a below-average rate (23.5% of dropbacks).

Imagine how effective he could be if he had a running game.

this should be real interesting.

we always talk about how much a system makes a player. and how much the player makes the system.

nature vs nurture even.

the story is this is a super talented qb. not just physically. but mentally he’s got what you want in a pro qb as well. he’s just been stuck in a crappy situation.

how does he do when he’s got all that support around him? not just players but a system that should maximize his talents.

i’m interested to see how it goes.

by the way. steve young is of the opinion that stafford is a generational type player who’s been wasted by detroit. that’s a pretty strong statement.

detroit has had some great individual players who were never really able to transcend their circumstances and achieve team success. and they were never able to test waters with a different team.

should be fun to watch.

Zooey wrote:

If they succeed, they are going to be rewarded and if they fail, they will be replaced.

“fail in the most most beautiful way.”

hey. part of me is just like yeah. i appreciate it. i appreciate that they’re just going for it. and if it fails. then yeah. at least they went for it.

would it have been better if they could have done it with goff? yeah. i like him. i don’t know him personally. but i just like the guy. but i liked gurley too. i would have preferred that gurley was still here. it wasn’t going to happen if he was still here.

but if they fail, they’re gonna go out having shot their shot.

"If we can do it, wonderful. If not, then fail in the most beautiful way.”

Klopp's message to his team is clear 🔴 @LFCUSA pic.twitter.com/SQjQFXVOqY

— Bleacher Report Live (@brlive) May 7, 2019

well. i hope sean has that conversation with goff. i think it’ll happen. it should happen if mcvay is who i think he is.

and i still am not sure about the trade. i probably won’t be sure until about 11 months from now. and even then. i was looking forward to watching goff develop over the next 10+ years. i’ll probably observe from afar. but it’s not the same as watching him game in and game out. year in and year out.

Zooey wrote:

Carolina offered the #8 pick.

According to the Jimmy Johnson trade value chart, #8 is worth 1,400 points. Pick #26 is worth 700. So those two picks together are worth what Carolina offered.

See more in the SI article I just posted in the anchored Goff thread above. It’s an interesting read.

that was a good read. thanks.

yeah. assuming it goes the way the rams think it will, it’ll be more like goff and a high first rounder for stafford.

i really do worry about stafford though. to be frank i haven’t seen him play much. i do remember wanting him when he came out of college. out of this world cannon of an arm. but since he’s been in the league i haven’t really heard much about him. hasn’t won much of anything. that worries me. not the best analysis. he has been steady though for 12 years. hardly missed a game even though he gets little injuries here and there. been through multiple coaches and multiple systems, and he’s quietly put some huge numbers over the years.

huge mitts. 10″ hands…

and like that article says everyone who’s come into contact with stafford has nothing but positive things to say about him.

for me. he has to be substantially better than goff. like at least a full tier above goff. a full tier. and i’m not prepared to say that he is.

i also would like to see him play for the rams for at least 5 years. he’ll be 33 in 5 days, so that would put him at 37 years old in what would be his fifth year with the team. that’s definitely doable. and he could still be in his prime years. especially if they could do it at a cut rate salary.

but yeah. the trade is not as bad as it first seemed.

Maddy wrote:

So, are the Rams better or worse off cap-wise? Would most of this be true if they kept Goff?

also what does it look like in 22? do they continue taking cap hits?

also read that stafford doesn’t care about the money at this point and is willing to extend. does he take less and maybe restructure the contract or whatever it takes to make some cap room? am i even saying this correctly?

wv wrote:

On the ‘falling out of love with his stars’ thing.

Todd Gurley had a 3.5 yard rushing average for the Falcons.
Gained less than 700 yards.

I dont think McVay ‘fell out of love’ with Todd.
I think Todd hurt his knee.

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yeah. i love gurley. but it was the right decision. if i had to criticize mcvay, it’s that he used gurley too much.

but falling out of love? i’m not buying it.

now that’s not to say that i agree with him on goff. we’ll see. but it’s possible that mcvay and snead were right to trade him. it’s gonna be a long 7 months.

right now i’m thinking hey let’s see how stafford does with an actual running game.

maybe he has a carson palmer like resurgence toward the end of his career. he could potentially have another five years left in him.

also i feel sorry for goff. i wouldn’t wish the detroit lions on any player. he’s not gonna get much in the way of support with that organization.

Zooey wrote:

I thought Goff was okay, and not the reason the Rams offense wasn’t better.

well. for me there were a multitude of ways the rams could have made the offense better. upgrading at qb was only one of them. and i don’t think it was the wisest choice. not for what they gave up.

unless mcvay really is right about goff. unless he really had to go to lengths to cover up goff’s deficiencies. i mean. i don’t think that’s the case.

i think we really won’t know the answer until a couple of years from now when the dust has settled.

zn wrote:

I think McVay lost patience with Goff because it’s McVay’s nature to lose patience, not because of anything inherent to Goff.

i’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you. but what about mcvay leads you to believe that? outside of this goff situation that is.

wv wrote:

I am gonna enjoy FINALLY
seeing a Ram QB with a GUN, LoL.

tony banks had a gun…

no stafford’s not that bad. but i question the trade. we’ll see.

Zooey wrote:

zn wrote:

JosinaAnderson@JosinaAnderson
Text from league source on the #Lions trade talks for QB Matthew Stafford: “I’m sure they’ll get a trade, but right now they’re looking for a sucker to overpay.”

Of course they are.

And the other teams are looking for the Lions to take a fire sale offer.

oh dear.

sigh.

Herzog wrote:

zn wrote:

Zooey wrote:

it seems to me that if McVay is a dick, we would have heard about it before

We have.

There’s been all sorts of signs of that.

Like what?

well honestly that doesn’t concern me at all.

i mean a head coach and reports of him being an asshole? well duh. i mean even dick vermeil. one of the most beloved head coaches of all time. i mean all time. there were plenty of signs of him being an asshole. him and bruce? him and faulk?

yeah. head coaches have big egos. this is not a newsflash.

if this is a motivational technique. and who knows… i mean i hope it is. mcvay and snead probably know better than we do. what makes goff tick. so maybe they think this will be productive?

….

i hope anyway.

Zooey wrote:

I agree completely.

Which leads back to… what are they playing with this non-committal crap?

yeah. i have no idea what’s going on there. no idea.

either mcvay and snead are about to screw it up royally. or mcvay just sees something fundamentally flawed about goff’s game. or this is some oddball way of motivating goff.

but this non-committal vagueness is weird. i don’t think this is mcvay though. i think this is something drummed up by snead. snead is the one who is all into reading about cognitive psychology. there’s definitely a reason the both of them are choosing to go this route. i just have no idea what that reason is. but it’s definitely calculated.

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