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    I guess the one thing that I would follow up with is that I have read many people who are advocating signing RGIII as a possible QB solution. While I was impressed with his athleticism in his first year, he does not look like the same guy at all after his injury. More importantly, I cannot get out of my mind this article in the Washington Post.
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    just for some context that game cooley was grading was griffin’s second game back after a 6 game absence. got knocked with an ankle injury 2 games into his first season under gruden.

    griffin finished that season with an 86.9 rating compared to cousins’ 86.4 rating.

    it’s a pretty brutal assessment for sure and i don’t doubt that a lot of it is true, but it’s just one game. i still think he’s got promise.

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    Greg Robinson – Left Tackle, St. Louis Rams

    Greg Robinson could very well be the most physically gifted offensive linemen in the NFL. It’s obvious he possesses a true love for the game by the style in which he plays. In an era where many offensive linemen aren’t being heralded for their toughness or mean streaks, Greg Robinson approaches the game like a true throwback trench warrior.

    Unfortunately, his physical prowess hasn’t yielded the performance threshold the St. Louis Rams were anticipating when they drafted him second overall in the 2014 NFL Draft. This reality has come as a surprise to many, but to those that appreciate offensive line as a craft, his struggles aren’t a shock.

    Greg Robinson is merely a byproduct of the current football climate we live in. The proliferation of spread offenses throughout the collegiate ranks has stunted the development of the most coveted position in all of football. Spread offenses demand more from every single player on the field, except offensive line. The quarterbacks, defensive backs, defensive linemen and wide receivers are asked to know more and do more than ever before. On the other hand, offensive linemen are asked to know less and do less, thus are not developing the transferable skill sets required to play in the NFL. In reference to Greg’s collegiate offensive scheme, Paul Boudreau, the Rams offensive line coach, told Greg. A Bedard of Sports Illustrated, “They had four run plays and one protection – slide left, slide right. He didn’t have a snap count.”

    We aren’t in a position to tell collegiate coaches what style of offense they should be running. The only possible solution to the perfect storm of inept offensive line play that has been created is to do what all great offensive linemen do very well, adapt. If a player like Greg Robinson who has off the chart measurable’s and a true desire to become the best player he can be can’t be “fixed” within this broken system of development, the game of football is in a ditch that may need to double as a grave.

    The Block

    Stance

    All of Greg’s issues stem from his inconsistencies found in the stance. He’s playing in stance’s that are too narrow or too wide at times, his hips aren’t consistently square to the line of scrimmage and his left heel is off the ground (See Photo’s 1 & 2)

    Hip open:heel off ground – 1Left heel off ground

    Inconsistent / Run Game

    Greg’s narrow or too wide of a base (Feet Alignment) causes significant issues for him on run and passing plays. In the run game, his inconsistent base forces him to “lead with his knee” and “swoop” his left foot upon initial movement (see illustrations). These two mechanical flaws cause him to play with too much weight outside his frame and not distributed properly. This will explain why he is so easily thrown off front side base blocks. He plays too far outside of his landmark’s on the defender. Greg is either going to hit big or miss big because of this mechanical flaw. In regards to backside cutoff’s, his base doesn’t allow him to get his frontside hip as open as it should be. He does a very poor job on backside cutoffs, not because he can’t but because he isn’t in a position to effectively do so.

    Knee LeadKnee Lead 2

    Heel SwoopHeel Swoop 2

    Inconsistent Base / Pass Protection

    Greg has a problem that is called “under-stepping” (see illustration). During his pass set at about the second kick, you will notice how the left foot travels upfield. This happens because his narrow stance causes him to take too big of an initial kick. He’s trying to make up the difference by attempting to cover more ground than he needs to. This is where momentum takes over, that’s not a good thing. That subtle upfield movement by the left foot is his body trying to autocorrect itself at a high rate of speed. The idea of pass protection is for him to keep the left foot in a “catch” position, meaning at any given point he is ready to take on pressure. When the left foot travels upfield he develops a “soft hip” which shortens the edge for the pass rusher. Greg is ungodly strong but he isn’t able to utilize his full strength because of this issue. I akin this to building an oak stool that only has three legs. The wood is strong, it’s well built, but it has no base.

    Upfield Step:Under step – 1Upfield Step : under step 2

    Hips not square to line of scrimmage

    Greg isn’t consistent with keeping his hips square to the line of scrimmage (See photos above). If you pay close attention to his waistline or jersey numbers, you’ll see they slightly are turned towards the defender. This may seem to be a minor infraction but it’s a felony in the offensive line performance world. Greg loses the holy grail of offensive line play before the ball is even snapped, leverage. He has created a “soft edge” for the defender. When you couple this with his narrow base and the outlined problems created with it, his hips not being square compounds all of the issues.

    Heel off the ground / Run & Pass

    Here you’ll find the performance leak many offensive linemen suffer from. When the heel being off the ground is paired with the other noted problems, there’s gas thrown on the fire. Greg is constantly in a position where his outside knee leads all of his movement (See knee lead illustration). In the pass game this swinging action sets the stage for him turning way too soon during a pass set. In the run game, he loses control of his body because he’s playing under the influence of momentum and that’s illegal in this country. The body of an offensive lineman must always be in a position to fight pressure with pressure. The knee being inside the toe for as long as possible allows this to happen. There’s more musculature activated in this position and joints are more correctly aligned to be more stable.

    Poor Hand Usage

    Greg Robinson has issues with his upper body as well. His hand placement in the run game is poor and in pass protection he punches himself “open” far too often. These issues are symptoms, they aren’t the ailment. The ailment is all that has been outlined. Offensive line play begins from the ground up! His hands will be fixed when his lower body is addressed. Investing time into working on his hands while ignoring the obvious issues below the waist is like putting a new paint job on a car with no wheels. It’s a poor investment.

    Punching Hip Open 1Punching Hip Open – 2

    Bottom Block

    There’s nothing going on with Greg Robinson that can’t be fixed. I believe Greg can be one of the greatest offensive linemen to ever play in the NFL. I hear the notion that he’s not cut out to be a left tackle because he’s not “athletic” enough. If Andrew Whitworth is “athletic” enough to play left tackle in the NFL, Greg Robinson can. If he’s moved to guard without addressing the root issues, his career will be shortened. He will play guard as if he’s in a street fight, that’s a good and bad thing. The bad, it’s only a matter of time before something breaks. You can’t run away from bad mechanics. There needs to be more attention to detail in his understanding of how his body is supposed to work as an elite offensive lineman and to how it is prepared to perform at an elite level.

    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i hope he is cuz that dude has got it all.

    if he can put it together he’s got a chance to be as good as he wants to be.

    in reply to: can Ogletree replace JL at MLB? #39458
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    i don’t worry about the physical part with ogletree. he’s as big as laurinaitis and laurinaitis wasn’t the most physical to begin with.

    i worry mostly about the mental part. and who among the linebackers is going to take over the leadership void.

    in reply to: free agents you'd like to see on the rams #39430
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    i like travathan. young. still has his best football ahead of him.

    green appeals to me because not only is he a deep threat he’s a capable blocker as well. he’d be what cook was supposed to be.

    matthews sounds good too. they need veteran targets for whoever ends up playing qb.

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    in reply to: can Ogletree replace JL at MLB? #39423
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    one thing about alec. he came to georgia as a safety. then switched positions to inside linebacker for two years. then moved to wil linebacker for 3 seasons in st. louis. he’s been moved around a lot and that’s had to hinder his development yet he’s still produced. some thought his best position was middle linebacker in the pros coming out of college. i’ll be interested to see how does next year.

    in some ways he’s probably still somewhat of a project with all this potential. but maybe he also is able to take another step forward with all the different positions he’s played and having been in the system for several years already. should be interesting.

    in reply to: QBs in the draft thread 2 #39421
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    dan marino had a completion percentage of 57%.

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    Just one example, but, the stats leaders in 1982 had completion percentages in the 60s.

    http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/1982-leaders.html

    marino did rank in the top 15 at the time.

    and the years where favre was playing in college there were passers in the top 20 with percentages below 60%. nowadays it seems guys regularly throw for over 60%.

    if the rams feel that hack or cook are worth drafting then i guess i’ll trust their judgment.

    in reply to: can Ogletree replace JL at MLB? #39419
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    Yes AO can replace JL at tackling at MLB. I hope he can call the defense as well or better.

    yeah there’s a huge leadership void in the linebacking corps. that worries me. ogletree better take this as an opportunity to step up.

    in reply to: QBs in the draft thread 2 #39418
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    in more recent times ryan fitzpatrick was 58%.

    matt ryan 59.9%.

    trent green 55%.

    in reply to: QBs in the draft thread 2 #39416
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    i looked it up right after i posted the question.

    brett favre had a completion percentage of 52%.

    dan marino had a completion percentage of 57%.

    joe montana had a completion percentage of 52%.

    but it’s also hard to compare across different eras. i wonder how those qbs compared to their peers at the time.

    i read great things about hackenberg’s character but the numbers seem so mediocre.

    in reply to: QBs in the draft thread 2 #39413
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    ok. scratch that question. ha!

    in reply to: QBs in the draft thread 2 #39412
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    alyoshamucci

    Cook needs to hit two areas. Interview and accuracy.

    He needs to show clean footwork and consistent strike throwing. That way his 58% comp pct could be overlooked.

    As far as the interviews the answer to that will come out. If he’s got porcupine quills, you can’t hide that.

    I will say this. Hoyer and Cousins we’re both quieter. If he’s more outspoken than them he might be having issues with how the school likes their QB to be. It’s not like he’s out pulling manziel garbage.

    i just wanted to put this question out there cuz i truly have no idea. has there ever been a successful qb in the history of the league who had a less than 60% accuracy in college? maybe that’s an arbitrary number but it’s why i would be hesitant to draft cook. and it’s why i would leave hackenberg completely off my list. i mean 58% i could maybe look past but i think hack has a career 55% completion percentage.

    in reply to: Wagoner mailbag, 2/20…Parts 1 & 2 #39390
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    i want to see mannion at least compete for the number 2 spot.

    and the one thing i don’t want to see them do is take a qb in the first round unless for some miraculous reason qbs start dropping.

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    in reply to: can Ogletree replace JL at MLB? #39385
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    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2012/futures-georgia-lb-alec-ogletree

    here’s an article on alec by matt waldman. i believe georgia was playing in a 3-4 defense during that time.

    in reply to: can Ogletree replace JL at MLB? #39384
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    physically ogletree can at least do the job that laurinaitis did although it’d be nice he could be more than that.

    my main worry is the mental part. he was essentially an extension of the coach making sure everyone was lined up right. who handles that now that james is gone?

    in reply to: Demoff on the Beast 2-19 (including official transcript) #39367
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    …we didn’t want people to move their families, come out here and maybe go into camp on uncertain footing. We wanted to provide them clarity. Especially guys like John and Chris, who have been the longest tenured players on our team. They deserved the clarity, they deserved the chance to go into free agency and be free agents and not have it dangled. We felt it was best to give them that news and clarity now and that was the best way to handle it.

    i don’t know. wouldn’t it have been nice if they could have done that for the fans?

    in reply to: defensive draft thread…CBs, DEs, LBs etc. #39365
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    if the rams can’t re-sign barron, one guy who sounds like he could replace him is su’a cravens. hybrid s/lb type. playmaker.

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    in reply to: Demoff on the Beast 2-19 (including official transcript) #39319
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    trying harder to win?

    i’d hope that’s just pr speak.

    in reply to: can Ogletree replace JL at MLB? #39293
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    i wonder if mcdonald maybe takes over some of that responsibility of getting the defense organized?

    in reply to: can Ogletree replace JL at MLB? #39292
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    The Rams cut Laurinaitis so the question about his future with the Rams has been answered.

    I wonder if Ogletree could slide into Laurinaitis’ vacated MLB spot as Wagoner suggests. Seems to me there’s a different skillset involved with playing MLB than OLB. I think they need to be more disciplined and need to be good at getting off blocks, whereas Ogletree freelances and usually runs around blocks. Ogletree’s a dangerous player because of his athleticism and ability to play in space. I’m not sure he’s suited for playing inside.

    i wondered that myself. especially if they re-sign barron they’d then have barron, ogletree, and ayers.

    for what it’s worth he DID play inside at georgia. i don’t know what that means for his prospects of playing mlb in the pros.

    but laurinaitis was like a coach on this defense. not sure ogletree could fit that role.

    in reply to: Rams release Cook, Lauranitis and Long. #39290
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    surprised by laurinaitis. man. feel like i’m watching the godfather or something.

    Ian Rapaport hints they may be using some of that money for a QB.

    interesting.

    Only if they make a run for Bradford.

    as long as it’s not for manning.

    ya know i wouldn’t be entirely disappointed if bradford somehow came back. my only concern with him is injuries.

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    in reply to: Rams release Cook, Lauranitis and Long. #39284
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    surprised by laurinaitis. man. feel like i’m watching the godfather or something.

    Ian Rapaport hints they may be using some of that money for a QB.

    interesting.

    in reply to: Rams hire Groh as passing game coordinator #39248
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    i wonder what things he’s got planned for tavon.

    in reply to: 2016 draft, receivers & TEs #39245
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    i like what i read about laquon’s physicality and blocking. very good fit for this offense.

    in reply to: Rams & qbs in free agency (from RG3 to possibly Fitzpatrick) #39242
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    i don’t mean to go on and on about this.

    but just one more time.

    just watched this buffalo bills documentary. they talked about jim kelly and how at the beginning of his career he didn’t even want to play for buffalo so he joined the usfl. that league folded and he was basically forced to sign with the bills since they retained his rights.

    his first four years were marred by fighting and bickering. he was constantly deflecting blame. wouldn’t take responsibility as the qb and would essentially put the blame on his teammates. their nickname was actually the bickering bills.

    it got so bad that thurman thomas felt compelled to say that maybe the losing would stop if they changed quarterbacks. the owner, gm, and coach made the two issue a public apology at a press conference.

    well we all know how that fiasco ended. i wonderhow that infighting would have played out in this era of the internet and social media.

    kelly said there were a lot of egos on that team. not just him and thomas but smith, bennett, reed…

    and after that feud between kelly and thomas it was thomas who was at his bedside when he was fighting cancer. sometimes it’s just a matter of maturing. or winning.

    don’t get me wrong. i’d be doing tons of homework before making a decision and the rams have access to info we don’t. so if they decide the risk is too great so be it.

    in reply to: 2016 draft, receivers & TEs #39239
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    in this particular draft i’m thinking i’d rather go wr.

    or if henry is that good i’d even go tight end.

    in reply to: Rams Uniform examples from the past #39238
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    It’s the horns. It’s the helmet.

    yeah. nothing can top the horns on the helmet.

    the most iconic symbol in sports.

    The single most identifiable insignia in the history of the earth.

    hahaha!

    in reply to: Rams Uniform examples from the past #39236
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    It’s the horns. It’s the helmet.

    yeah. nothing can top the horns on the helmet.

    the most iconic symbol in sports.

    in reply to: 2016 draft, receivers & TEs #39234
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    all things being equal i’d go for the qb. i just don’t think one worthy of a first round pick is going to be available at #15. i personally would rather wait until the second day to get a qb.

    in reply to: the combine (draft thread) #39233
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    Coleman is one of my favorite players to watch on tape. He is a dynamic athlete and he generates a lot of big plays. His blend of speed, toughness and instincts reminds me a lot of Steve Smith. However, having not seen him play live, I’m very curious to see his official height/weight. He’s listed at 5-foot-11 and 190 pounds, but I’ve been told he’s actually closer to 5-9 than 5-11. I’m hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

    yeah. i keep thinking steve smith when i read about him. scored 20 tds last year. 20!!!

    don’t really care about size. if he measures in at 5’9″ that’s tall enough for me if he’s got the other measurables. i mean the previous post was saying crazy things like 11′ broad jump 45″ vert 6.6 three cone!?!?

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