can i say winter is coming?

or maybe it’s been here for awhile already, but a storm is a brewing i tell ya.

ladies and gentlemen. your new president of the united states.

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

my report on the game isn’t so great i know. i’m not the greatest writer to begin with. couple that with a lack of knowledge about football, and reports would be basically useless.

Well on this one I will drop the informal poll bit and just flat tell you you are wrong.

I like your game reports, I think you have a good and distinctive writing style and I always enjoy your posts, and I appreciate your report and glad it contributed to our unique content here.

I just got into the “should Goff start” debate thing.

But that’s not a reflection on your report.

Heck I would trade up for your game reports. I like them. They have a very distinctive voice and flavor. So, thanks.

we’re just discussing the team we hold dear.

no problems. i like it. good conversations to be had here.

i will say that keenum got unwarranted jeers from the crowd yesterday. i don’t the know the exact reason they were booing him, but if they actually think starting goff this year will lead to more wins they’re in for a rude awakening.

yesterday. i don’t think keenum played all that bad. he had an int. and he missed a couple guys i think. quick in particular in the first half. but he did enough to win.

gurley not getting enough touches was criminal though, and i put that on the coaching staff. not just boras.

the weather was toasty. getting into and out of the game wasn’t too bad. my friend and i were even able to find free parking about a mile away from the stadium.

but part of that was because not a lot of people went to the game. i actually think the preseason game against kansas city was more packed than the carolina game. i get the sense that the fans are very much wanting to cheer this team on. but they’re frustrated. most of them don’t know the heartache that comes along with being a rams fan. ha!

What I DON’T buy though is the idea that if he DOESN’T start as a rookie he’s a failure as a pick. I don’t believe that.

i’m not arguing that. i’m not saying he’s necessarily a bust. i just question the move up mainly. you’re already gambling. but this is just a shot in the dark if he’s that raw.

and again. i don’t think he’s that raw. i think fisher was/is hoping he can turn this around.

no. they’re not turning this around. the season is lost.

Most struggle. Only a small percentage haven’t. A team that starts a high-picked rookie qb is doing it, far more often than not, because they are rebuilding, have no choice, and are resigned to living with the losses. They were picking a qb high in the first place not because they traded up, but because they were bad and had to rebuild.

yeah. we might argue on the definition of rebuild. but this season is lost. starting keenum does nothing because they are not going to win without a running game.

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

you’re missing the point, zn. if he wasn’t that ready. and you know. i accept that he may not have been. you don’t pick him number one overall.

Sure you do. If you think he is the better 10-15 year qb.

The only metric here that DOESN’T count is the “how did he do in year 1” metric.

How he does as a rookie, starting or not starting, has nothing to do with his longterm value and his value as a pick.

And of course remember, most high-picked qbs start as rookies because the team had no choice.

Most struggle. Only a small percentage haven’t. A team that starts a high-picked rookie qb is doing it, far more often than not, because they are rebuilding, have no choice, and are resigned to living with the losses. They were picking a qb high in the first place not because they traded up, but because they were bad and had to rebuild.

if he’s that much of a project then i submit you absolutely have no clue if he is the better qb.

you’re just wildly gambling.

wentz and prescott started because they had to.

i get that.

fisher thought he had the luxury of not having to start him. i get that too. i even agreed with it. i thought they’d have the running game to support case and win.

they didn’t. the season is lost. it’s gone. it’s time to move on. we will see if fisher has.

and i’m not actually saying if goff is one way or another. i am saying that IF goff is that much a project you don’t pick him number one.

i don’t think he is. i think either fisher is stubborn. or stupid. or both. he has to realize this season is done.

you’re missing the point, zn. if he wasn’t that ready. and you know. i accept that he may not have been. you don’t pick him number one overall.

you definitely don’t trade up for a guy who is that much of a project. that much of a gamble.

also. i’m not saying case is the problem. what i am saying is that case needed the running game to be able to work. everyone knew that. well the running game is shit. so why keep trotting out a qb who is useless without a running game?

it’s not going to get fixed. the running game that is. at this point it’s useless to keep putting out a qb who can’t operate under these conditions. you say you’re comfortable putting goff out if you need to. well at this point that’s what you do. the rams need to find out where he is at this point. even if you have to bench him later you do that. i think eli went through similar struggles and came out fine.

what you don’t do is keep putting out a qb who is ineffective due to the conditions round him.

and again. if goff was so much of a project that you couldn’t put him out there, you don’t select him number one overall. you don’t trade away your future on that big of a risk.

• This reply was modified 9 years, 9 months ago by InvaderRam.

Zooey wrote:

Looks like 75% of the offensive plays today were passes.

12 carries for Gurley.

Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, I am inclined to suspect Boras. I mean…everything else is the same or better on offense, but their performance is worse.

i think it’s more than just boras. i think the entire coaching staff needs to be overhauled.

this running game has been a problem since before boras was promoted to offensive coordinator. gurley had 4-5 tremendous games and then fell off a cliff. some of it is gurley. some of it is defenses adjusted to this running game, and the rams have not been able to counter. some of it is also the oline. the coaching staff misjudged the talent. the players are dumb. the players are undisciplined. but also. boudreau is not able to get through to these guys.

i think it’s at the point where fisher and the entire staff needs to go. they’ve lost this team. i believe this roster has talent, but fisher and company have failed to properly extract that talent from this team and convert it to production.

i know people will disagree with me, but he has absolutely lost this team. and i was not a big proponent of firing him. i thought the rams needed stability first and foremost. especially with the drafting of goff. but this team needs a complete change. better to do it now than to have to reprogram goff three years later. i also think they need to draft an offensive head coach. particularly one adept at developing quarterbacks.

he’s still voting for clinton though it should be noted.

this is a tough on for sure. who stinks more? clinton or trump? that’s tough.

on a small scale of 5 million or even 10 million i can see it working. but on a scale of 7 billion with all sorts of different belief systems and interests i think it breaks down.

so i understand and agree with the idea that systems can make people better or worse, but i also think that people affect the system as well. not just a one way street.

Zooey wrote:

But calling it Wealth Disparity violates their belief that “anybody can make it in America through hard work, etc.” It sounds like a “liberal” complaint, as if the solution is higher taxes, or something.

yeah. that’s a big part of it. the blame is put on the people who fail. no recognition of the fact that maybe they’re being shat on.

wv wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

honestly i don’t think people care. even if you were able to somehow shed more light on it or there was more media coverage on these issues.

i don’t think people care all that much about disparity in wealth, empire building, clandestine organizations. that’s the sense i get.

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Well what do you think Americans ‘do’ care about?

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i think people are interested in protecting what’s theirs.

i think they like the notion of equality but not at the expense of their own security.

or maybe i’m just feeling really pessimistic these days.

• This reply was modified 9 years, 9 months ago by InvaderRam.

Zooey wrote:

zn wrote:

Is Jeff Fisher’s extension with the Rams still on the table?

Alden Gonzalez

Now, I would like to see the Rams set up more screen passes for Gurley, who has caught only four of those. And it would be nice to see him have more runs where he is bouncing it to the outside as opposed to fighting between the tackles.

This is what I’ve been saying.

is this a case of the oc needing to do a better job of getting his best player in more favorable situations?

i’ve gotten really down on louis ck ever since i found out he quite possibly could have sexually assaulted multiple women and coerced them into watching him masturbate.

ya know. i wouldn’t have said this before, but this past week i’ve been thinking that it might be time for the rams to let fisher go. he’s done a good job turning this team around, but i’m not sure how much further he can take them.

josh mcdaniels is supposedly itching to get another hc job. he’s done a great job in new england. he’s many years wiser and more experienced than his first go around when he was only 33 years old. i think he’d be worth some vetting by the rams front office. this would have to be a very attractive position for someone.

talented defense, talented running back, and a blue chip qb prospect.

nittany ram wrote:

Well, in his last 15 starts Gurley has had only one 100 yard game and only three games where he’s averaged at least 4 yards per carry. So the issue with the running game didn’t start this season. It goes back to the middle of last season.

But I guess all we can do is wait and see how things develop over the rest of this season and hope they improve.

yeah. if it was just limited to this season i wouldn’t be nearly as concerned.

i don’t know what the cause is either, but it’s the responsibility of this coaching staff to figure it out. and it’d be nice if they could figure these things from the start of the season.

defense? i’m more forgiving they’ve dealt with injuries this year and last. and as zn pointed out they’re still ranked pretty high. they did well enough to win the last game.

it’s the running game that has really let this team down.