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October 30, 2016 at 3:34 pm in reply to: Rams face questions about their quarterback and run game at the bye week #56377
InvaderRamModeratorWell, true the Rams had a great o-line back then and Dickerson was Dickerson but I don’t think you need an o-line full of all-pros to run effectively against those fronts when you have a great back. Gurley is a generational talent. He has HOF level skills. He just needs a crease and he’s gone. But the Rams o-line has been so overmatched that Gurley can’t get anything going. He’s constantly being hit in the backfield or at the LOS. And the way defenses are playing the Rams certainly can’t be a surprise to Fisher. He knew coming into the season that the Rams o-line was going to face a lot of 8 and 9 man fronts. He must have thought the o-line would be able to hold up against them. Fisher still figured they would be able to run effectively. I think the o-line isn’t as good as Fisher thought it was going to be. PFF ranks them among the worst in the league. Fisher just overestimated how good his o-line is.
oline is a question mark. i also gotta question scheme and coaching. i wonder how effective boudreau is at coaching this line. i know he’s got a good reputation, but he also has a reputation for sometimes wearing out his welcome. i also have to question if boras is scheming to gurley’s strengths.
and there’s probably things gurley needs to work on himself. i also wonder if maybe losing that weight wasn’t a good thing for him.
also. if robinson is indeed a better fit athe guard then the staff needs a better job of identifying that and making the appropriate change.
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October 30, 2016 at 2:33 pm in reply to: Rams face questions about their quarterback and run game at the bye week #56374
InvaderRamModeratorWhat is the definition of insanity? Not changing anything but expecting different results?
I get that the reason why the Rams can’t run is complex. It’s not all about the o-line. Some of it has to do with the defense not respecting the passing game and overloading the LOS. But as I’ve pointed out before Eric Dickerson set the NFL rushing record of 2,105 yards running against 8 and 9 man fronts that didn’t respect the Rams’ passing game. If you have competent run blocking you can still run effectively if you stick with it.
Not that moving GRob inside is magically going to fix the running game but it could help. Certainly can’t hurt.
BTW, I think Snisher drastically overestimated this o-line’s ability after last season.
yeah. i pretty much agree with all that.
October 30, 2016 at 10:55 am in reply to: Rams face questions about their quarterback and run game at the bye week #56352
InvaderRamModeratorFisher said he had given no consideration to offensive line changes other than working guard Jamon Brown back into the rotation when he returns from a hand injury.
This isn’t the first time I’ve said this but I think I’d like to see GRob move to left guard and Saffold take over at LT. Saffold was a decent LT a few years ago and the move inside to guard would take advantage of GRob’s strength…mauling defenders in the run game.
they have to change something.
October 30, 2016 at 10:49 am in reply to: Rams face questions about their quarterback and run game at the bye week #56350
InvaderRamModeratorHe leads a Rams offense that ranks 30th among 32 teams in the NFL, averaging 307.6 yards per game. The Rams are 25th in passing, 29th in rushing.
These numbers, IMO, are based on a mistake. The mistake is, the numbers are season averages which count the 1st 2 games. I argue that they improved so much in so many areas on offense after those 2 games that averages that include them give a false picture. If you look at the last 5 games they are not nearly that bad. The more realistic picture would come from an average of the last 5 games, not all 7 including obviously the 1st 2. In fact the first 2 games are so bad they drag stats down for the season in several categories.
And I prove that with numbers. Here: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/where-does-the-offense-rank-last-3-games/
When you see the differences, they’re dramatic.
i’ll wait until the end of the season, but discounting the first two weeks is also discounting what other team did their first two weeks.
this offense is bad. but i don’t blame keenum. the problem is that atrocious run game.
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InvaderRamModeratoryeah. i can forgive the defensive performance. they’ve struggled with injuries. but no excuse for the run game. they have a blue chip running back. the offensive line has been healthy.
no excuse for it.
InvaderRamModeratorima go out on a limb and say goff starts against carolina…
October 26, 2016 at 8:52 pm in reply to: Fisher responds to Jason Cole report that "Goff is a long way away" #56146
InvaderRamModeratori can see the fear right through his sunglasses.
October 26, 2016 at 8:49 pm in reply to: informal poll: will the Rams win or lose during bye week? #56145
InvaderRamModeratorya never know… wouldn’t be surprised to see a player decide to have a little too much fun during the bye weekend. then for sure the rams lose, and the bye week wins…
InvaderRamModeratori have no idea what fisher will do for the carolina game.
i do know that. well at least i think i know that. fisher would never name goff a starter right after a loss. i don’t think he’d even do it during the bye week. he’s going to wait until middle of next week at the earliest before deciding to make a change.
and while i stand by my statement that i don’t agree with the trade up. and while my stated preference given the trade was to draft wentz. that does not mean i think goff is a bust. i saw glimpses. enough glimpses in the preseason to make me think he can be at least a solid quarterback in this league.
i hope, however, that he can be more than just a solid quarterback.
InvaderRamModeratori’m also concerned about the turnovers given up and turnovers forced. defense can’t get any offense keeps coughing them up.
October 24, 2016 at 10:00 pm in reply to: Fred Roggin of NBC says Fisher has four games to prove himself… #56033
InvaderRamModeratoryeah but you also don’t want to bring in a new coach now. and then realize you have to make changes again when the new stadium opens. lots of change in the past year. lots more to come. my guess is stan wants to wait until the opening of the new stadium before making wholesale changes.
i don’t think bringing in a new coach will impact ticket sales much.
unless of course you bring in some big name like a belichick. i don’t think that happens. or even a pete carroll. a name like that would make fans’ ears perk up. otherwise, i don’t think it will really affect anything.
InvaderRamModeratorThey played well against Detroit then those three all acted like they had been enjoying london more than getting ready to play.
they more than deserved to get called out. and i will go even further and say they should not be part of any long term plan for this offense.
as soon as spruce and cooper are ready i’m slotting them in. enough of the knuckleheadedry.
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InvaderRamModeratorWho would you like to see, if Fisher is not resigned? Meaning Fisher and his staff will be looking for a new job elsewhere at the end of the 2016 season.
First of all to answer that question, I can only say IF they are all looking. I am not as certain as you are that that will happen.
So, IF…how do I answer? The truth?
Well….I have no more idea than anyone else does.
The difference is, I am not going to chase names and act like I have an idea.
As I said, you can listen to the press and to posters talk about a draft. There’s some real knowledge there. On coaching hires? The press and posters alike basically have no idea. And over the years, the ones who sounded the most definitive and confident in their talk about that have been just as wrong as everyone else.
I promise though not to rain on any parades and I will repeat this particular mantra only when asked.
yeah. i pretty much am in line with your thinking.
unless they can come up with some kind of coaching combine. which would be too boring to watch anyway.
InvaderRamModeratorfor me. and part of this is probably insanity talking.
it’s not about benching players cuz i think we’ll magically improve this year.
it’s about the realization that the offense as it is now is not going to cut it.
i’d bench keenum not because i think goff will be better than case this year. but that in time he will eventually be better. and what better way to get a leg up on next season than starting him now so he can get some experience. WITH THE ASSUMPTION that he looks ready enough. if he isn’t then no. don’t throw him in with the risk that he get himself hurt physically or mentally.
and if i bench quick or britt it’s because i want a better look at how cooper and spruce look. and obviously there will be lumps. but i like their mental makeup. cooper is a former high school qb. spruce is technician. a guy who has maximized his ability. their mental makeup i’m gambling will be better for the rams in the long term than britt and quick – who haven’t impressed me beyond their physical skills. now obviously the coaches see these guys everyday so if they’re not ready then you don’t play them. but i want to see them get more playing time if they are ready.
and obviously you don’t just bench players and g8ve rookies a starting position but you ramp up their reps in practice and eventually in games.
i had my hopes up for britt and quick but i think they are what they were the last three years and not the last three games.
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October 24, 2016 at 8:05 pm in reply to: Fred Roggin of NBC says Fisher has four games to prove himself… #56016
InvaderRamModeratorhe did go on about the rams moving to los angeles for awhile before they actually moved.
not sure how reliable he is though.
InvaderRamModeratorkeenum is doing enough considering what he is – a second string qb. i’d actually go as far as to say he is doing more than enough.
i think the problems are lack of a running game, dl injuries, and gross mental errors as the main culprits.
one of my fears on the dline is quinn is just not the old quinn. perhaps the back injury has sapped him of some of his power, flexibility and explosiveness.
i also question the scheme and playcalling, but i really don’t know enough for it to be anything more than just a suspicion.
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InvaderRamModeratorhe’s a rookie. he looks that bad. it’s the same difference.
really. it’s the same thing.
No it’s not the same thing old friend. If you say he’s a rookie than it’s all normal and par for the course.
If you say he looks bad that means he’s not even developing at the normal rate for a rookie.
If you just meant he’s a rookie and rookies are rookies, then, yeah, I am with you.
there’s no normal anything. some rookies develop faster. some slower. it will mean he’s developing slower. but who cares if he ends up being good. that’s all i care about. ultimately.
InvaderRamModeratorkeenum threw 43 passes in the fourth quarter against just 10 in the first three?
that’s just weird. the more and more i think about it goff should be starting.
him not starting means either.
fisher is dumb.
or.
goff looks that bad.
CK didn’t throw 43 passes in the 4th quarter and he didn’t throw 4 INT’s in the 4th quarter either.
I think the guy just penned his article a little confusing.
yeah. that didn’t sound right. no way he threw 43 passes in 1 quarter.
InvaderRamModeratorhe’s a rookie. he looks that bad. it’s the same difference.
really. it’s the same thing.
and proven they can win what? what is it exactly that they have proven they can win?
fisher says so many things. we don’t know what he’s actually thinking.
he said he wasn’t going to trade bradford right before he traded bradford. so no one here knows what he has planned for these next two weeks.
i’ve even conceded i don’t know if he’s going to start goff or not. if he doesn’t it means one of two things.
InvaderRamModeratoralthough there is a chance however small that fisher can get the running game going.
i don’t know how he does that. i’m not a big fan of boras right now. that’s for sure. maybe they need to change coordinators. wouldn’t be the first time fisher has done that mid-season.
InvaderRamModeratorand keenum really is irrelevant in this case. it’s really just about moving on and investing in your future. if he’s improving as they say he is.
That’s one view. But the coach has a different view. The coach’s view is, we’re still in win now.
It really does amount to 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
Because no matter what anyone says, the truth is (yes Mr. It’s All Opinions said “the truth is”), there is absolutely no credible argument that states one way of bringing along a qb is superior to another.
We’ve seen qbs develop from being on the sidelines long before they start. That’s true of all NFL history.
We’ve seen qbs develop by taking their lumps and getting live reps.
We’ve also seen both methods fail (more often than not in fact).
So it gets down to the coach’s decision as to whether he wants to go with win now.
You may not like that call, but it’s a perfectly valid call.
right. meaning goff doesn’t look that good right now.
which is fine. he can sit. doesn’t mean he can’t start in the future.
but if he does look that good. right now. then you do.
but if he’s gonna try and win now with this cast then i don’t know what he’s doing. this defense. this running game. not good enough. and that’s what keenum needs to succeed. he doesn’t have that. so if he’s in win now mode with keenum. with this cast. then he’s stupid.
InvaderRamModeratorand keenum really is irrelevant in this case. it’s really just about moving on and investing in your future. if he’s improving as they say he is.
InvaderRamModeratoryou said it yourself. goff isn’t ready. or goff is that bad. same difference.
InvaderRamModeratorkeenum threw 43 passes in the fourth quarter against just 10 in the first three?
that’s just weird. the more and more i think about it goff should be starting.
him not starting means either.
fisher is dumb.
or.
goff looks that bad.
InvaderRamModeratorit doesn’t have to be losing the team like linehan lost the team. like i said i think the players like him. but the team makes dumb mistakes week in week out.
if they don’t make a change at qb then make it somewhere. hold people accountable. if this was just restricted to two players fine. i get it. but it seems to affect everyone. not this week but for the past couple years at least. bench grob. play some of the rookie receivers.
instead it’s the same cast and repeated mental errors.
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InvaderRamModeratori don’t think fisher was deflecting blame onto others. he even goes as far as to retract his statement and say that he needed to look at film before finding out where the problem was and he also put responsibility on the coaches. i think he was upset and was just on the defensive. people were trying to put this on keenum and make this about goff. fisher understandably goes on the defensive to stick up for his qb.
i am concerned however that fisher has lost the team somehow. when players are making dumb mistakes every week. i don’t know. this team is not prepared. i think the players like fisher, but the attitude is lax. they’re not focused like they should be. maybe part of that is lack of leadership on the players’ part. but that also falls on fisher too.
but if there is a change it can’t just be for the sake of just making a change.
InvaderRamModeratorEventually, the team is going to get sick of Fisher, to the point, where it will not be a shock to see the players quit on him.
I don’t see that happening. At all. Unlike some of us, the players wouldn’t blame him for everything. But that’s just my version of guessing/mindreading to balance your version.
me personally i don’t worry that the players would be angry with fisher or retaliate or blame him.
i’m more worried that they’re a little too comfortable with fisher. i wonder if there’s accountability.
but then where does that come from? does that come from the coaches from the players? i think at least it has to start with the head coach. i don’t know. but even then. belichick had his brady. john harbaugh had his ray lewis. dick vermeil had marshall faulk.
who does fisher have? it can’t just come from the head coach. who’s the leader on the team? who’s going to hold his teammates accountable?
October 23, 2016 at 8:52 pm in reply to: Poll question…Who thinks Goff should start the rest of the season? #55927
InvaderRamModeratorDoes Keenum figure to be the starter next year?
Is he even on the team next year?
Maybe Keenum is the best chance to win. I don’t think so, but he isn’t winning anyway.
If Goff isn’t ready, play Mannion. I have given up on this year.
this is all about getting a leg up on next year. there’s no sense in continuing with keenum.
i suspect fisher knows this but does not want to make a decision now. i’m almost positive he’s buying himself another 2 weeks to make a decision.
i mean they’ve already announced that they have ramped up his first team reps. now it’s just a matter of evaluating him.
InvaderRamModeratorEventually, the team is going to get sick of Fisher, to the point, where it will not be a shock to see the players quit on him. He is throwing everyone else under the bus, but himself. If Stan Kronke does not see this as a problem, then he doesn’t care about winning.
in the back of my mind. there is this worry that the players have tuned fisher out.
i must admit.
InvaderRamModeratori like keenum. he’s falling on the grenade as a leader should.
as far as the ints go, the receivers should be getting their asses chewed out. pay attention! especially on that last possession. good grief.
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The thing i want to know is — Is this offensive communication stuff “correctable”. Or not.
I mean they changed some stuff on offense, so is this just ‘learning curve’ stuff that they will at some point improve on? Or is this just bad coaching or players with low-football-IQs ?The WRs looked really good last week. This week it was up and down.
And what will Goff bring to this offense?
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vi suspect it’s a combination of things. some of it is correctable. some of it is the rams receivers need to pay attention. part of it is maybe coaches need to hold the players accountable.
as far as what goff brings? i think he’ll make more mistakes than keenum will this season. but i also think he’ll balance that out somewhat by making some pretty amazing throws. throws that will make us stand up and think to ourselves. damn. no way case makes that play.
and then hopefully by next year. he eliminates more of those mistakes. and makes more of those eye-popping lasers. that’s how i’ve imagined it anyway. and if this world is indeed nothing more than a simulation then the matrix will listen to my prayers and make this an actuality…
can you hear me, internet!!!
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