goff looks good. i can’t discount that.

in the end, i think i gotta just trust what this front office sees with their own eyes.

this will be snead’s biggest test so far as a general manager. pretty exciting. this move pretty much will define his tenure with the rams. fair or not. he’s made good decisions in general so far, but this move will follow him warranted or not.

max makes some good points but you gotta remember that goff has so many more reps on wentz. give carson time and i suspect he gets better. waldman reviews the national championship game against illinois state from last year. his second year as a starter. including high school.

wentz was a late bloomer so i don’t worry as much about the age gap although carson is pretty old for a draftee. it might be the biggest hangup i have about him.

he made one really bad throw in the third quarter. just a really bad throw for an interception. but otherwise, he played a really efficient game.

gruden thinks carson wentz is the most nfl-ready qb in the last couple of years.

he’s smart. scored a 40 on the wonderlic. he comes from a pro-style offense. his qb coach was an assistant coach in the nfl. he must have received good coaching there. the program won a fifth consecutive national championship this year.

could he come in right away and be a manager of a run-oriented offense? he could…

we hear all the time how russell wilson and kirk cousins both benefited from coming from a pro-style offense. connor cook gets credit for it. so it stands to reason that wentz should too. and the success of wilson and cousins is obvious.

ok. they just showed a highlight of jacksonville state almost beating auburn. ended up losing to them 27-20. north dakota state shredded them in this game.

i’m at the end of the first quarter. people keep talking about how goff will be more pro ready his rookie year, but i’m not so sure. carson is supposed to be running a pro-style offense, and it looks like it. he plays a lot under center. can do play action. is making adjustments at the line. i remember people talking about how much it helped russell wilson that he played in a pro style offense at wisconsin. same with kirk cousins i believe.

granted. the big ten is a big step up in level of competition. still. i’m not in agreement with trading up. but now that they have. i can’t help but think that wentz should be the guy. i think he’d be a better complement to todd gurley. and when things break down, he can make plays with his feet. a lot like a russell wilson.

while it is hard to find a great qb with 9″ hands, it doesn’t necessarily mean goff will be a bad qb.

romo has 8 3/4″ hands. i don’t know what to make of the whole hand size thing. just that there are very few qbs with 9″ hands.

on the other hand, wentz’s age is a little worrisome. he’s 23 years old and will be 24 before the 2016 season is over. how many great qbs were drafted that old? the only one i can think of is russell wilson, and some might debate whether he’s great or not. i happen to think he’s great. he turned 24 his rookie season. there have been qbs drafted when they were 23 but didn’t turn 24 until the after the season was over.

so between goff’s microscopic hands and wentz being a fossil, i’m really torn as to who the rams should pick.

when it’s all said and done, outside of tom brady i don’t really care for california qbs. they’re not tough enough. i’ll go with the qb from the midwest – carson wentz. all great qbs come from the midwest.

if it makes you feel better boylhart has wentz graded as a second rounder.

• This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by InvaderRam.

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

but like you said, he hasn’t had a lot of snaps. and isn’t the fine tuned passer that goff is. but will that matter in an offense that features a lot of todd gurley anyway?

Personally? Yes I think passing matters. I don’t think the Rams intend to be a run-heavy team. I think they intend to be a more balanced team, and in this day and age, balanced doesn’t meant 50/50…it means something more like 52-6/48-44…that kind of range.

I don’t think that it’s passing isn’t as important. I just think that this year, the best qbs available have some developmental aspects in their make-up, so AT FIRST you can’t throw with them as much as you would like to.

But, since I see this as a 12-15 year starter pick and not as a 2016 season pick, starting out slowly is fine with me. I just simply never believe the guys who say Fisher wouldn’t pass much even if he had a good veteran passer. No, I think he doesn’t pass as much when he has Davis, Keenum, and Hill. Give him a matured Goff or Wentz and my take is they would pass the ball more than Seattle and Carolina currently do.

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not trying to say it isn’t important. but not as important as if this was a pass oriented offense which it isn’t going to be. i’m just wondering if wentz’s skill set is a better fit for an offense that will feature a lot of the running game.

in my unbiased opinion, wentz is the better fit. he brings more to the table than just passing. he can run the ball a little, and let’s face it the rams are never going to be a pass heavy team under fisher. so the fact that wentz can run the ball would seem to make him more valuable to the rams. plus he’s got that thick build like a cam newton and should be able to absorb punishment better. he also has experience in a pro offense and running play action which will help him.

but like you said, he hasn’t had a lot of snaps. and isn’t the fine tuned passer that goff is. but will that matter in an offense that features a lot of todd gurley anyway?

i see a lot of mcnair/george potential with a wentz/gurley combo.

wv wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

wv wrote:

Well, I dunno.

I guess I’m just not sold on Goff or Wentz.
But what do i know.

Wentz looks kinda slow to me. Like a big Kerry Collins
kinda guy. And Goff…well Goff has teeny tiny hands

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wentz ran the 40 in the 4.7’s. 3 cone was 6.87.

he’s pretty athletic for his size.

By slow I mean his release. His release looks
slow to me. Not like Luck or Peyton or even Cam.

can that be corrected? i’ve read that about him. one report said there was a little bit of a loop to his release.

one thing i like about carson is he’s not just a passer. he can run a little bit. i could see fisher using him similarly to how he used mcnair.

it’s a big gamble. it’s just too much to give up for me. but i also readily admit i have not seen these guys play. only base it on what i read.

i do have one friend who has seen a lot of goff and thinks he’ll be good but still thinks the rams got fleeced. i’m having trouble thinking of an example where this does benefit the team trading up. maybe eli manning?

edit. one case where it did work is the rams trading up to number one for orlando pace.

• This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by InvaderRam.

since the trade is done and i would have to choose one i would want wentz.

i know it’s not logical, but i just can’t get over goff’s 9″ hands. if his hands were a little bigger i’d take goff. silly i know.

wentz has the prototypical size and arm strength. he’s mobile. i wouldn’t worry about him taking a couple hits. just seems to have more potential.

of course i say all this without having watched either of them play.

for what it’s worth i have a friend who’s watched goff play. thinks he’s gonna be real good but not first pick worthy.

Agamemnon wrote:

It was a Kroenke marketing trade, not a football trade.

yup.

just when i thought the rams couldn’t get any dumber.

i agree. if jack were to fall to #15, they would pick him.

of course. that’ll never happen. but yeah. if jack were to fall to #15, the rams would almost have to pick him. the guy is an absolute stud. and might be a top 5 talent.