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InvaderRamModerator
sounds like there’s a lot of nervous nellies out there. ha!
As an Anxious Annie I take umbrage at that remark.
I was a Wentz guy too. He just seemed like he had more physical tools and upside than Goff. Plus as you said he played in a pro style offense. The only knock on him was that he wasn’t ready to play in the NFL – yet he’s starting and did well in his first outing.
That said, I’m not dissatisfied with Goff. His struggles in preseason haven’t soured me on him.
yeah. i don’t want it to sound like i’m trying to put goff down. i like some things he did in preseason. and ultimately he may have more upside than wentz. it’ll just take longer to get there. it’s always hard to make comparisons but palmer, rodgers, and brady all sat before taking on a starting role, and they did well. and there’s probably guys who showed promise early but hit a wall in terms of development.
but understandably. as rams fans. we’re tired of preaching patience all the time.
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InvaderRamModeratori like spruce. the force is strong in that one.
InvaderRamModeratoralthough actually before the trade i was for drafting prescott. again. oh well. what’s done is done. just gotta hope this works out cuz if it doesn’t, this sets the rams back several years.
at least they didn’t have to sign him to a huge contract like in year’s past. that would really set them back.
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InvaderRamModeratorcollege qbs from a pro system have a distinct advantage over other qbs. this has been discussed at length. no surprise.
it’s why i preferred wentz before the draft.
but i like goff too, and there were plenty of analysts out there who liked goff.
so we’ll just have to wait and find out. no big deal. sounds like there’s a lot of nervous nellies out there. ha!
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InvaderRamModeratorgo after russell wilson. punish him.
if rams can’t get up for first home game in los angeles we’re in for a long season.
InvaderRamModeratorWell, the Rams run a zero-dimensional offense, right now.
They dont even have one dimension.
They are undimensional.
Even quantum physicists dont understand NO-dimensional offenses.
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vI believe it’s version of the “Black Hole” offense. Once the ball is snapped any offense goes into a black hole and can’t escape. There is even a theory that the offense is actually moving backward and somehow gives the other teams points for TDs and FGs they didn’t even make. They run it very effectively.
maybe the offense should be playing defense.
InvaderRamModeratorultimately i think this is a good thing. i don’t want to see goff go through what bradford had to go through.
this will be good for his development.
InvaderRamModeratori’m hoping cooper and spruce get healthy soon and make a real contribution to this offense.
September 14, 2016 at 8:52 pm in reply to: Keyshawn Johnson: "Fisher was forced to draft Goff" #52927InvaderRamModeratortake this for what it’s worth, but football outsiders had goff as the ninth highest rated prospect of the last 21 years.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/qbase-2016
Jared Goff (California)
Mean Projection in Years 3-5: 1,211 DYAR
Bust (< 500 DYAR) 28.3%
Adequate Starter (500-1499 DYAR) 34.1%
Upper Tier (1500-2500 DYAR) 23.5%
Elite (>2500 DYAR) 14.2%
While Goff is not a sure thing, his estimated chances of succeeding in the NFL are only a little bit lower than Marcus Mariota’s, QBASE’s favorite prospect from the 2015 draft. Goff had the kind of numbers in his final collegiate season (64.5 percent completion rate, 8.9 YPA, 43 TD, 13 INT) that successful NFL quarterbacks usually have. He posted those numbers against a good, but not great, set of defenses (ranked No. 30 in college football by our estimates). He had little help in terms of NFL-caliber talent at receiver or on the offensive line. The only teammate at those positions who projects to be drafted in the first four rounds this year or next is potential third-round receiver Kenny Lawler.
Goff becomes QBASE’s No. 9 quarterback prospect of the last 21 years. Mariota occupied that same spot last year, but has moved up in the reshuffling since another year of data has been added to the model.QBASE Top 10 Prospects Since 1996
Player Projected DYAR
Philip Rivers 1,969
Carson Palmer 1,934
Donovan McNabb 1,831
Peyton Manning 1,306
Marcus Mariota 1,302
Russell Wilson 1,246
Byron Leftwich 1,239
Ben Roethlisberger 1,227
Jared Goff 1,211
Aaron Rodgers 1,205
Players from earlier years are part of the model that creates the projections, so the takeaway here is not that Goff is likely to be as good as his fellow Cal alum just below him on the list. Goff placing so highly instead says that his resume resembles those of other prospects who succeeded as NFL quarterbacks. Our projection gives Goff the best shot this year, almost 40 percent, of being the kind of upper-tier player who solves a team’s long-term quarterback dilemma.September 14, 2016 at 7:18 pm in reply to: 49ers could tell by alignment exactly what the Rams route tree was #52916InvaderRamModeratorWell that makes more sense explaining the crapfest but telegraphing plays is pathetic for a pro team.
Is that “telegraphing”?
Or the 9ers doing a great job of studying the Rams offensive tendencies?
The Rams defense has dismantled some top offenses in the past, and part of it is using film to read tendencies.
It is definitely telegraphing. One or more Rams players on offense was doing something that the entire 49ers D could see and be assured it would happen. Don’t get to 28-0 by tendencies you get there by the other team telegraphing the play. Good teams don’t let this happen.
They did not say what you said. It wasn’t one or 2 players tipping off. It was the entire offensive alignment and motion before the snap—and that is play design. That is what was said. If the D was reading the Rams plays that closely, that means they saw tendencies in the film from the last 4 games last year where Boras was the coach.
If the player in question meant individual players were telegraphing he would have said that. He said it was the pre-snap alignment and motion, which is an entirely different thing.
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wow. that would seem to be worse than telegraphing.
got to square that away.
InvaderRamModeratorwell the whole question for me is how much of it is execution? how much of it is design? how much of it is tailoring the game plan to the ability of the players?
is keenum not seeing the open receivers? are the receivers just not getting open? are the receivers not being put in a position to succeed?
and just going off of memory the interior oline and hav were giving up a lot of pressure.
just one big mess. how much can goff change that? will he find the open receivers keenum can’t? are there open receivers to be found? will goff’s ability allow the coaches to open up the offense? can goff inspire belief where keenum couldn’t?
yeesh!
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InvaderRamModeratorwell keenum did not look good yesterday. i think a starting caliber qb does not look that bad against that defense. but maybe you’re right and the niners end up having a good defense capable of completely shutting down an nfl offense.
i’m a much bigger believer in goff’s arm talent. keenum’s a hard worker. he studies hard but he doesn’t have the physical ability.
InvaderRamModeratori said this briefly on the game chat, but my prediction is the rams start goff game 5 against buffalo.
to me i interpret the lack of mid range passing game and lack of any sort of vertical passing attack as a statement of belief in keenum’s lack of ability. it’s pretty apparent that they do not want to put any kind of significant responsibility on his shoulder.
but goff needs time and seattle and arizona are going to be brutal games.
give him another 4 weeks to get him up to speed and insert him against a relatively easier defense in buffalo. then depending on how things go maybe we see them open it up a little.
but keenum’s in for a rough ride the next three games. good luck, case!
With all due respect, the team will be 0-4 and I’ll be (hopefully) transitioning to the Giants in the NLDS and Sharks hockey…
Oh. And with Goff, do you really think they’ll go vertical and away from horizontal?
i think the mid range passing game will come into play. he’s got the arm. keenum doesn’t.
InvaderRamModeratorlack of any sort of vertical passing attack
Here’s the thing about that. Last year Keenum DID demonstrate the ability to hit long passes in a vertical attack. Numbers back that btw. So it can’t be that they don’t believe they have that with him…they DO have that with him.
then what is it?
InvaderRamModeratori said this briefly on the game chat, but my prediction is the rams start goff game 5 against buffalo.
to me i interpret the lack of mid range passing game and lack of any sort of vertical passing attack as a statement of belief in keenum’s lack of ability. it’s pretty apparent that they do not want to put any kind of significant responsibility on his shoulder.
but goff needs time and seattle and arizona are going to be brutal games.
give him another 4 weeks to get him up to speed and insert him against a relatively easier defense in buffalo. then depending on how things go maybe we see them open it up a little.
but keenum’s in for a rough ride the next three games. good luck, case!
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InvaderRamModeratorI really dont think anyone is making excuses for THAT one game performance, Invader.
On Monday night against SF, they were dreadful. Execrable… grody, even.
ok not excuses but saying it’s just one game and that they’ve bounced back from those wins before…
it’s the same story. the same inconsistency that’s so infuriating. how long until one says ok. i’ve seen enough. it’s time for a change.
me? i say three years. between the move and drafting a qb number one overall it’d be counterproductive to change coaches now.
InvaderRamModerator“We have to go out and fix the problem and do us, be us,” said Keenum.
the problem is they are who are they are. i want them to be something else…
InvaderRamModeratorwow i thought grob played well. didn’t even get a mention in the pff grades.
InvaderRamModeratorand also the result is people are talking about it which could be good. just hope the discussion results in positive changes rather than negative ones.
InvaderRamModeratorit’s only one game but you would expect them to by now to not keep making the same mistakes.
it’s always excuses with this team.
on the other hand i’m wary of changing coaches at this time. regime changes and qb development do not go hand in hand especially of they try to bring an offensive guy in, and he decides the whole offense needs to be scrapped and bring in a new system.
it’s tough. at this point i’m still inclined to give fisher until the new stadium goes up. that should be sufficient time for goff to establish himself. after that changing coaches shouldn’t be as much of a problem.
InvaderRamModeratorya know even 70 receptions and 750 yards. and 350 yards rushing would be enough to make me feel good about that contract. that would put him over 1000 yards from scrimmage. but i’d want that td total to be around 8-10.
Well…I like Mike Groh. Thats all i got.
hopefully groh can extract just a little bit more out of him this season.
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InvaderRamModeratornot sure he can be graded as a pure receiver.
My own view is that he simply can’t be graded as a pure receiver. Largely because, he’s not one. He’s something else.
He had 52 receptions and 52 rushes last year. If he raised the number of receptions that would be fine with me.
well i want him to also raise his ypc.
he had 53 receptions and 9 yards per catch.
i’d like to see about 80 catches at 11 ypc.
that’d put him at about 900 yards. and then maybe another 450 yards rushing.
that’s about 1350 yards from scrimmage.
September 11, 2016 at 11:48 pm in reply to: After Rams shed LBs, Gregg Williams stresses defensive flexibility #52680InvaderRamModeratori wonder if he has any special plans for mo.
he’s played linebacker and defensive end in college. or is he going to use him strictly as a deep safety?
InvaderRamModeratorThis storyline is getting old. He said show me the money and again he’s been paid. The Show Me state in me still says Show Me production worthy of a #1 pick and the latest big contract he’s signed.
yeah. they’re certainly paying him based on potential. they’ve pretty much admitted as much.
i’m fairly optimistic he can live up to the contract, but it’ll be tough to accurately grade him. not sure he can be graded as a pure receiver.
but i certainly hope that he can develop as a receiver. just not sure we can compare him to guys like antonio brown.
but he certainly has to do more than he has on the past. how much? not too sure.
i’m thinking 1400-1500 yards from scrimmage and 8-10 tds a season.
last year he had approximately 900 yards from scrimmage and 9 tds.
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InvaderRamModeratorrams defenders making mental notes to go after wilson’s ankle next week.
If Wilson’s mobility is lessened AD and Co. should get sacks a plenty.
for sure. you can bet williams and waufle will be making several points about that throughout the week.
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InvaderRamModeratorrams defenders making mental notes to go after wilson’s ankle next week.
September 11, 2016 at 8:39 pm in reply to: Wentz looks pretty good & other gameday observations #52660InvaderRamModeratormy bet is fisher gets until the opening of the new stadium. don’t ask me why i think that. just a feeling.
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September 11, 2016 at 8:03 pm in reply to: Wentz looks pretty good & other gameday observations #52656InvaderRamModeratorimagine the rams blow this pick AND they lose. and without those future draft picks…
wouldn’t that be depressing.
IR…it is way premature to even go there.
You saw Goff. Does he strike you as being a “blown pick”?
Plus of course there’s this…most teams in the last several years that started high-picked rookie qbs had losing seasons. Why would Wentz suddenly change that? The percentages stay the same.
It’s really an emotion-first, very oversoon reaction IMO.
there’s no panicking here right now. just imagining. people are really worried. no big deal.
September 11, 2016 at 3:48 pm in reply to: Wentz looks pretty good & other gameday observations #52640InvaderRamModeratorimagine the rams blow this pick AND they lose. and without those future draft picks…
wouldn’t that be depressing.
InvaderRamModeratorfor what it’s worth. tony gonzalez on cbs criticized the eagles for their decision to start wentz. says it will be a disaster.
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