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Eternal RamnationParticipantI don’t know, I’ve just finished watching that play many times and Fisher’s answer makes no sense to me. I don’t see anyway Saffold
can get there. I think it was a shitty shitty play. I’m tired of Fisher saying this guy was supposed to do this or that. Fisher’s responsibility after 3 freaking years is to make sure his players know what and how to what they are asked. He picked these guys he coached these guys for 3 yrs if they can’t execute it’s on Fisher at this point.Eternal RamnationParticipant14 of the 21 points were a direct result of turnovers ,Jenks pick 6 and Ogletree’s strip of Murray
September 21, 2014 at 11:38 pm in reply to: I think Davis solidfied his hold on the number one job today. #8158Eternal RamnationParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Eternal Ramnation wrote:</div>
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He managed the game well for most of 4 quarters. Made some nice plays. He was one of the reasons they were ahead.He’s not the reason they got behind.
But.
If there’s one thing I put HEAVILY on the qb, it’s performance in crunch time, at the end of games when they are down but can win.
Under those conditions he threw 2 INTs.
That either means he doesn’t have it, or is still raw and young and making crucial mistakes.
To let him off the hook for that is not being objective, IMO.
What I am most interested in, though, in these discussions is a genuinely open and objective comparison of the 2 qbs–that is, THEIR PLAY. Not their bios, or how they are on the sideline, and so on. Their PLAY. If someone can’t do that it’s only because they have not seen enough of both players to actually compare them.
I have nothing against Davis and am happy to be objective about both qbs.
However, I think what actually happened is–Davis did nothing to take the #1 spot away from Hill.
If Hill can’t come through then it’s back to Davis.
Wasn’t Hill’s last throw a clutch situation ?
Hill was injured, ER. Tried to throw it out of bounds but because of the quad, didn’t have the heft to do it.
And no, I was specifically talking about end of the game comebacks. Not “clutch situations” in general. Heck before the 2010 draft, I went back to check the boxscores on all of Bradford’s games where they were in 4th quarter comeback situations. That was part of what I talked about with him, back then. This has always been important to me. It’s the time in a game when the most is put on a qb’s passing.
I think Bradford is at his best in the comeback situations so was Bulger but I don’t remember Warner ever making a successful comeback. A number of times Warner did take back the lead and his D didn’t hold so he didn’t get the W.Does the throw to Pettis against the Bucs that set up the game winning FG meets your criteria?
You;re right…Bulger and Bradford were both better at comebacks than Warner. And it wasn’t just the times the D didn’t hold up.But Warner had plenty going for him, more than enough to compensate for that.
Yes the Bux game counts but then that’s 1-1 in comeback situations. And in those situations, in the Dallas game, he is the one who made the critical errors. It’s not just that they didn’t get the win…he was the one who threw the INTs.
The point of my comment initially was, he deserves criticism for some things. We all saw what he did well. But he still deserves criticims for some things..like throwing 2 INTs in the final 5 minutes. It seems to me that we’re not being reasonably objective unless we count that in the tally. Seems a bit of a blindspot to not mention it. I like to keep an even keel talking about qbs, myself. So for example in 2007 when the OL was a complete shambles yet many were blaming Bulger for everything, I would point out that no qb can play well if his OL were THAT messed up. Similarly, on the other side, I thought Davis did well today…he was certainly not the reason they got behind. But, he threw 2 INTs in the final five minutes when they had a chance to regain the lead.
If you went around the net after a game where either Bulger or Bradford (or even at some points Warner) threw 2 INTs in those circumstances, do you think people would overlook it?
Nope it would be and should be part of the equation but Hill’s part in the INT shouldn’t be overlooked either.If he was
injured on that play I have to weigh the possibility Davis’ superior mobility prevents him getting injured there. If Hill was
injured before that play not coming out of the game was a poor decision that needs to be added to his side of the equation.
Hill’s 0 for 0 in comebacks is not an advantage it’s a liability . Davis has improved so fast taking the starters reps putting Hill back at the starting position will slow that way down .I don’t see Hill getting any better at this point, his skills are in decline. I just don’t think it’s a good decision but I do think it is what Fisher doesSeptember 21, 2014 at 8:35 pm in reply to: I think Davis solidfied his hold on the number one job today. #8117Eternal RamnationParticipantEternal Ramnation wrote:
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He managed the game well for most of 4 quarters. Made some nice plays. He was one of the reasons they were ahead.He’s not the reason they got behind.
But.
If there’s one thing I put HEAVILY on the qb, it’s performance in crunch time, at the end of games when they are down but can win.
Under those conditions he threw 2 INTs.
That either means he doesn’t have it, or is still raw and young and making crucial mistakes.
To let him off the hook for that is not being objective, IMO.
What I am most interested in, though, in these discussions is a genuinely open and objective comparison of the 2 qbs–that is, THEIR PLAY. Not their bios, or how they are on the sideline, and so on. Their PLAY. If someone can’t do that it’s only because they have not seen enough of both players to actually compare them.
I have nothing against Davis and am happy to be objective about both qbs.
However, I think what actually happened is–Davis did nothing to take the #1 spot away from Hill.
If Hill can’t come through then it’s back to Davis.
Wasn’t Hill’s last throw a clutch situation ?
Hill was injured, ER. Tried to throw it out of bounds but because of the quad, didn’t have the heft to do it.
And no, I was specifically talking about end of the game comebacks. Not “clutch situations” in general. Heck before the 2010 draft, I went back to check the boxscores on all of Bradford’s games where they were in 4th quarter comeback situations. That was part of what I talked about with him, back then. This has always been important to me. It’s the time in a game when the most is put on a qb’s passing.
I think Bradford is at his best in the comeback situations so was Bulger but I don’t remember Warner ever making a successful comeback. A number of times Warner did take back the lead and his D didn’t hold so he didn’t get the W.Does the throw to Pettis against the Bucs that set up the game winning FG meets your criteria?
September 21, 2014 at 6:32 pm in reply to: I think Davis solidfied his hold on the number one job today. #8099Eternal RamnationParticipantHe managed the game well for most of 4 quarters. Made some nice plays. He was one of the reasons they were ahead.
He’s not the reason they got behind.
But.
If there’s one thing I put HEAVILY on the qb, it’s performance in crunch time, at the end of games when they are down but can win.
Under those conditions he threw 2 INTs.
That either means he doesn’t have it, or is still raw and young and making crucial mistakes.
To let him off the hook for that is not being objective, IMO.
What I am most interested in, though, in these discussions is a genuinely open and objective comparison of the 2 qbs–that is, THEIR PLAY. Not their bios, or how they are on the sideline, and so on. Their PLAY. If someone can’t do that it’s only because they have not seen enough of both players to actually compare them.
I have nothing against Davis and am happy to be objective about both qbs.
However, I think what actually happened is–Davis did nothing to take the #1 spot away from Hill.
If Hill can’t come through then it’s back to Davis.
Wasn’t Hill’s last throw a clutch situation ?
September 21, 2014 at 4:07 pm in reply to: This is what happens to teams that are poorly coached. #8073Eternal RamnationParticipantI think St.louis can relax LA doesn’t want this soul sucking vortex of loss
Eternal RamnationParticipantI’m running Windows 7 and Google’s Chrome browser and it plays instantly. A nice clip of Donald’s TFL on the rb in the backfield. The guy is a blur and he’s getting better every game out.The Rams have their problems but drafting Donald is sure not one of them
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Eternal RamnationParticipantI can’t stand the guy. It’s almost like he’s happy about recent events.I took some advice from Steve Savard who is a lot brighter than I gave him credit for. He said go back and watch it again. This time with no unrealistic expectations it didn’t look near as bad.There is some good stuff there. I didn’t mind Shotty’s play calling but the design of the TA plays still bother me.Both Gaines and Donald are going to be good to great.TJ is looking good.Quick is on his way. Hill was trying to get rid of the ball and didn’t have the legs to get it there.Up until that point he was doing good. The D held AP in check and how do you practice for stopping Patterson? Obviously you have to wrap up and hold on your not going to throw him down with arm tackles but the dude is a freakish runner who will continue to scorch many teams this year.
Eternal RamnationParticipantYa know I thought and thought about it , how to describe the Rams play and I finally got it
The Rams looked like a NFL team trying to play without a coachEternal RamnationParticipantWhen listing the problems that caused yesterday Quick’s wardrobe malfunction belongs on the last of 20 pages in fine print.The headlines should be Fisher Shotty and Williams.The run D if fixed why does it need fixing again?2012?2013? Now this.Yes it got fixed last year after a losing season was a certainty which doesn’t in reality fix this miserable team only prolongs the agony .Yes you are correct I don’t see an owner doing that and I also won’t see this owner hoisting a Lombardi
Eternal RamnationParticipantThe way Fisher threw Quick under the bus points to a meltdown.A meltdown is warranted.The vaunted Greg Williams D is strangely absent. Davis is better than Cassel in many categories,mobility and arm strength being the major advantages .With Cassel not being able to throw past 20yds Williams got his ass kicked in checkers he’s not ready for chess.Personally if I’m the boss Fisher is in my office being told he may have 3 losses this year so he has 2 left.After we lose to Dallas play the rookies trade or cut the vets and get this thing started for real this time
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Eternal RamnationParticipantThe preparedness is a major issue.Imo Fisher’s teams seem like fighters they won’t quit,but I don’t remember a game where his team was well prepared
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Eternal RamnationParticipantEternal Ramnation wrote:
Good news they’re going to fix that.I sense a board war.
Big one.
Maybe after the war the Rams can sign some of that horde and get it turned around….again
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Eternal RamnationParticipantGood news they’re going to fix that.
Eternal RamnationParticipantto be fair. the rams won last season. atlanta? everyone assumed the rams had arrived. but it was just the same inconsistent rams.
this year. nothing has changed my mind about that. but. only game 1 so far. we’ll see.
It was actually the Cards a comeback victory Atlanta beat us.Same old problems that should’ve been eliminated years ago. 3rd and 7 10yds off on Patterson poor tackling missed assignments not knowing where to line up. If a Coach with Fishers experience is going to play someone he better know where to line up and where the sticks are. I am not accepting anymore excuses from Fisher.
Eternal RamnationParticipantThat’s the point you’re missing zn. Every year it’s the same,we’ll fix that. I don’t want to have to put the first came behind us and hope for improvement. I want a 1st game to be a statement “WE ARE HERE”
Eternal RamnationParticipantEternal RamnationParticipantEternal Ramnation wrote:
One known factor is for all the talk of Hill’s arm strength which has been described as questionable, Matt Cassel has the weakest arm of any starting QB in the NFL.This is getting into the minutia, but I wouldn’t call Hill’s arm strength questionable. I suppose it depends on what you mean. Clearly Bradford has a great arm plus a pretty quick release and could accurately throw both 20 yard lasers and low trajectory long balls with accuracy. That’s not Hill. Hill relies more on quick decision making…which is probably his greatest strength.
Still Hill has more arm strength than others we’ve seen, like Clemens, Feeley, and Jamie Martin.
And as you say, more than Cassel.
Actually I wonder if Hill’s arm is about the same as Brady’s. One or 2 tiers down from the likes of Bradford.
Yes I agree completely . I have seen and heard people describe his arm strength as questionable but in looking at what video I can find on him I find no evidence of arm strength being deficient. The velocity is slower which affects accuracy more as distance increases but Hill’s timing and quick decision making may be better than Bradford’s out of necessity . Bradford can wait till the last second and still get the ball there, where Hill needs more time so must decide where and when to throw earlier
Eternal RamnationParticipantWell, i think most of us thought
the Seawhaks would crunch the Pack,
in Seattle.
The question for me is how Seattle
will play on the road once they get
into the middle of the season or so.w
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http://www.si.com/game/1381761
”Obviously, we were the more physical team today, offensively and defensively. I saw supposedly some of the best players in the league not want to tackle Marshawn Lynch,” Seattle defensive end Michael Bennett said. ”Of course, nobody is going to say nothing about that, but I seen a lot of guys whiff on tackles that should have been 2-yard gains and they’re supposed to be the best.”
Seattle had 207 yards rushing as a team and won for the 18th time in its last 20 regular- season home games. Harvin finished with 11 offensive touches, including four rushes for 41 yards.
=============================Wiffing on tackles? Funny how the coach that ran the dirtiest program in the history of college football cheats again by allowing contact in practice and his team tackles better than teams that don’t cheat. Of course nobody’s going to say nothing about that.
Eternal RamnationParticipantOne known factor is for all the talk of Hill’s arm strength which has been described as questionable, Matt Cassel has the weakest arm of any
starting QB in the NFL.Eternal RamnationParticipantThe Vikes are claiming their advantage at QB which is strange because Hills career numbers are a little better than Cassel’s. No one is trying to argue the Vikes D is better than the Rams. The first year for Norv’s Offense they were WCO last year.This is not the team it was in 2012 and the Rams are much improved in both personnel and experience in their Offense so I have the QB match up a draw.Coaching and D you have to give the Rams.Special Teams the Vikes are tough their return game is dangerous their kicker is better than Legatron
Eternal RamnationParticipanti expect us to see a lot of different things come sunday.
donald has been up and down this preseason. i think it goes to show just how difficult the defensive tackle position can be. even for someone as pro-ready as donald.
by the end of the season, i think we start to see the real aaron donald.
I’ll agree with the qualifier that the downs were happening after extended reps out of his position. As per Fisher his position/role is rotational inside pass rusher. A position so rare google can’t spell it. When in this role was when he was most impressive.At every down Nose DT the Center and Guard can adjust and compensate for Donalds quickness but when he comes in and the OL is use to Langford or Brockers we will see why he was regarded so highly in camp
Eternal RamnationParticipantSo Mallet is worse than Fitzpatrick and better than Keenum…. talk about a tight window!
Eternal RamnationParticipantYeah I love how the Cleveland announcers call that a “busted play.”
Well yeah it GOT busted. By Donald.
Yup a real clear example of what we’ve been hearing since April. One of Donalds first plays as a Ram was when he blew up the run play getting into the backfield forcing the back right into Quinn’s TFL against the Saints.Williams got him reps but kept his primary role under wraps this preseason.GRITS I predict a pleasant surprise for you next Sunday.
Eternal RamnationParticipantEternal RamnationParticipantExactly… ink’s not even dry on Goodell’s signature of the letter he sent to the NFLPA and he’s going to be tested on the Ray Rice rule…
Plus, reports are that the victim was both CHOKED and is PREGNANT.
It’s like the guy wanted to throw his entire football career away as fast as possible.
Then… add to that that Donte Whitner told a reporter that Harbaugh had one rule… players could do ANYTHING and he’d forgive them and they’d talk it out… EXCEPT put their hands on a woman. Do that and they’re gone.
So, McDonald is in deep with the league and his HC….
Aldon Smith out for 9 games Dorsey out for the season and now McDonald gone a minimum of 6 games add Navarro Bowman on the PUP for
at least 6 games and I am serious who’s going to rush the passer or stuff the run with those 4 out?Eternal RamnationParticipantDon’t sleep on the the Vike’s TE’s a bigger part of their game now with Norv Turner. As Snow has mentioned all indications are they are looking past us to the Pats. They think the only chance Rams had went down with Bradford. I see the Rams making Bridgewater the starter in the 1st quarter. Our DL is going to unleash on them
August 31, 2014 at 5:09 am in reply to: So glad the team is set now and the season will begin in a week #5634Eternal RamnationParticipantHill does not need to carry this team. He just needs to get the ball to our playmakers. We have more developed players in that role than Bradford ever had. Describing Fisher as arrogant and stupid well IMO that’s not accurate.Time and again similar judgements have been made and proven wrong.They have a vision and access to far more knowledge than fans do. I think you will be surprised by this D when you see the other 80% implemented . We have not even seen all the starters start yet and very simple vanilla schemes . Look at the Time of Possession stats. This team has shown it can move and control the ball and create turnovers. If Bradford is such a bust then why will we even miss him? Hill is not Bradford I’ll give you that but he is not Clemons either and he has more than Clemons had on both sides of the ball
Eternal RamnationParticipantEternal RamnationParticipantEternal Ramnation wrote: Myself I have Bayer way ahead of Cunningham I don’t think that one is even close. I would put Watts ahead of Reynolds.I think Givens has woken and showed his old self the last 2 games.Givens is a missed tackle from a td anywhere on the field and I just don’t see them giving up that speed. Pettis has a niche but has been quiet after earning the title “Mr.Spring”. I like Franklin he has some return skills he understands and runs great routes,makes plays and Watts credited him with the block that got Watts a td in the Browns game.With his limited touches he sure made the most of them. I don’t know if he did enough to bump Pettis but if he gets away I think the Rams will regret it.
So far, at this hour, that we know of, the only guy you list who has been cut is Franklin.
Well he was a long shot maybe practice squad? I doubt they keep both Bayer and Cunningham and could cut them both.After last night I don’t see how they could cut Watts.Marshal was impressed .
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