I think it’s pretty obvious he’s grown as a player and I would expect him to. He did take advantage of his downtime with the Rams studying the game. One thing I notice when I see him play now is he has developed a great touch pass. My memory of him in 12′ was rifling the ball at receivers 10yds. away just like if they were 30yds away. He’s now throwing people open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwMspnWx6PE

So here we have three differing views all with valid points and I would say nothing outside of reasonable and then we have a list that is.
Nittany ram a rookie coach making mistakes is more accurate than putting the entire thing on Martz as zn posted in an earlier anti-Fisher thread all 4 DL had offseason surgery . Certainly you are not blaming Martz for that ? In KC Vermeil inherited a 19th rated D then it dropped to 24th 28th up to 19th again before dropping to 28th in his last year. Looking at his record now Fisher is pretty close to Vermiel III.

No, Vikes have a bye Bears are on CBS and I will get the game live on fox broadcast tv instead of watching on an internet feed. Last year I got Packers and Vikes games both losses.

zn wrote:

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

Nine starters went down this year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ1BCEEntbs

Yes but were they distributed all over the team, or, as I was pointing to, were they concentrated in a key unit? (I pointed to the qb/OL combo).

Some teams overcome injuries depending on their depth, which in turn depends on how veteran they are as a team. Plus of course it was easier to count on depth before free agency and the salary cap.

BUT I really wasn’t looking at that. I was looking at a particular situation–having to play mostly back-up qbs, and at the same time having continuing multiple and extensive injuries along the OL (ie. more than just 1 or 2 guys).

I can find teams that won in spite of numerous injuries, but then when injuries are heavily concentrated in a key unit, and it robs that unit of effectiveness, then, naturally you find it has an effect.

For example, in 2000, all 4 Rams linemen had off-season surgery. They then lost 2 on top of it during the season, plus Carter played while still not the same from back surgery. Injuries basically hurt the DL. While it wasn’t the only factor, that helped wreck the 2000 defense. Even with the best offense in the league they couldn’t take that hit and remain the same team, as the playoffs showed.

Basically today’s team at full strength isn’t near as good as either of those teams and that includes coaching. The D is better than 2000’s even without Quinn Brockers Hayes and Trujo but man the O is Healthy and sucking badly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE

JackPMiller wrote:

Need to stop with the injury excuse. The Pats won without Tom Brady, even though it was it was not injury but suspension. Still with two backups, they went 3-1. Heck, Fisher blamed the fans for the failed faked punt

Yes as soon as Belichick becomes available along with their entire organization Stanky will change them out. Well unless he’s a billionaire business man with little to any current NFL knowledge.

Keenum is late on so many of his passes he’s not seeing open guys and when he does they have to wait for the ball . He did some good stuff but a whole lot of bad stuff. So now we’re at the point of wondering if Keenum is our best chance for winning how terrible is Goff?

Glad you’re okay Winnbrad, some good observation there. I don’t see all of it the same but for the most part I agree. I haven’t had the time you have either so there is that as well. Hill is in there because Sensabaugh was so bad he got benched. Alexander has made some plays hes got a sack and Davis saved a TD with a pass defended swatting it away in the endzone plus he’s a special teams ace

I think the Rams can beat any team, I just don’t know if they will. I will guarantee they don’t want to play us right now nobody does. Watkins is on IR so that makes it easier but they still have the guy I wanted the Rams to grab ,wr Robert Woods. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOZqTn7mtXM

RAMS (2-1) AT CARDINALS (1-2)

When: Sunday, 1:25 p.m.

Where: University of Phoenix Stadium, Glendale, Ariz.

Line: Cardinals by 8

TV/radio: Ch. 11; 710-AM, 100.3 FM and 1330 AM (Spanish)

RAMS OFFENSE vs. CARDINALS DEFENSE

Once again, this game figures to be a referendum on running back Todd Gurley and the Rams’ ability to block for him. Gurley, stifled in the first two games, got going a bit last week at Tampa Bay but faces another big challenge. Arizona’s defense got smashed for 208 rushing yards in last week’s loss to Buffalo, but 76 of those came from quarterback Tyrod Taylor, so that’s a bit misleading. The Rams, with Case Keenum, don’t offer that type of dual-threat attack at quarterback. In their first two games, the Cardinals allowed a combined total of only 191 rushing yards, so it could be another challenging game. Last year, Gurley rushed for 146 yards in the teams’ first meeting, but only 41 in the rematch. Keenum is improving, but now faces an Arizona defense that has allowed only 5.7 yards per pass attempt, tied for the lowest in the NFL. Arizona likes to bring pressure. Linebackers Markus Golden and Chandler Jones have recorded a sack in each of the first three games. Edge: CARDINALS.

CARDINALS OFFENSE vs. RAMS DEFENSE

It should be fascinating to see how Arizona quarterback Carson Palmer bounces back. Palmer passed for five touchdowns and zero interceptions in his first two games this season, but against Buffalo he threw four interceptions and zero touchdowns and completed just half his passes. Palmer torched the Rams last season for 708 passing yards in two games. The Rams’ secondary has been tested this season. Opponents have thrown 128 times (third-most in the league) but have completed 62.5 percent of those, which is only average. Arizona running back David Johnson poses an intriguing challenge to a Rams defense that has been strong against the run this season. Johnson is yet to have a breakout game on the ground (217 yards in three games) but is a threat out of the backfield, with 10 catches for 169 yards. Veteran Arizona receiver Larry Fitzgerald is always a threat, but the Rams, with a strong defensive front, will attempt to pressure Palmer and force more mistakes. Edge: RAMS

SPECIAL TEAMS

Arizona kicker Chandler Catanzaro, highly consistent in 2015, got off to a tough start this season when he hooked a 47-yard field goal wide left late in the fourth quarter. The Cardinals lost to New England by two points. Catanzaro is 3 for 3 in his last two games, though, and hit from 60 yards in last week’s loss to Buffalo. It’s difficult to argue with anything the Rams have been doing in their kicking game. Greg Zuerlein, maligned last season, is 4 for 4 (plus 5 for 5 on extra points), and last Sunday in Tampa Bay he boomed a 53-yard field goal that seemingly could have been good from 10 yards farther. Punter Johnny Hekker has dropped 12 of his 21 attempts inside the opponent’s 20 yard line and last week he had a 64-yard punt. The return units for either team haven’t done anything particularly special, although Arizona’s John Brown returned a kickoff 51 yards last week against Buffalo. Edge: RAMS

COACHING

Bruce Arians made his name as the offensive coordinator when Pittsburgh won Super Bowl XLIII, then when he had a successful run as Indianapolis’ interim coach in 2012. It’s tough to argue with his regular-season results in Arizona, which have included a third-place finish in the NFC West in 2013, then a second-place finish in 2014 and a division championship last season. The problem? The Cardinals have yet to win a playoff game under Arians. The Cardinals have a dynamic offense under Arians and have improved their defense, but their 1-2 start to this season is surprising for a team that was expected to be a Super Bowl championship contender. Meanwhile, Jeff Fisher is off to a 2-1 start for the first time since he took over the Rams in 2012. Fisher hasn’t started a season 3-1 since 2011, when his Tennessee Titans did it (but eventually finished 9-7). The Rams haven’t started 3-1 since 2006. Edge: EVEN

INTANGIBLES

Let’s not blow things out of proportion, but the Rams showed something last week. They flew across the country to face a Tampa Bay team playing its home opener under hot, humid conditions, and they fought in the fourth quarter for a victory. That’s momentum-building stuff, and the Rams no doubt will be motivated by the thought of moving to 3-1 with victories over tough division rivals Seattle and Arizona. This probably isn’t the best time to play the Cardinals, though. No doubt, they are motivated after last week’s surprisingly bad game against Buffalo, and they’ve played well in their two home games this season. A good team like Arizona usually doesn’t look bad two weeks in a row. Edge: CARDINALS

MATCHUP TO WATCH

Rams CB Troy Hill vs. Cardinals WR John Brown: Start with the assumption that the Rams’ top cornerback, Trumaine Johnson, will cover Fitzgerald, who has been targeted on 32 of Palmer’s 117 attempts this season. No. 2 receiver Michael Floyd is recovering from a concussion, so look out for Brown, who caught six passes for 70 yards last week. In two games against the Rams last season, Brown totaled 13 catches for 188 yards. Brown could be matched up against Hill, who made his first NFL start last week, but the Rams also would like to work E.J. Gaines back into the lineup. Gaines hasn’t played this season because of a quad injury and was injured throughout the preseason.

PREDICTION

Who are the Rams? We’re about to learn. Are they the team that looked awful to start the season, or the team that has put together fairly impressive consecutive victories? A win against Arizona would be a huge confidence booster for this young team, and the prospect of a 5-1 start wouldn’t seem ridiculous. But these are the Cardinals, who didn’t lose consecutive games last season. Look for this one to follow a familiar pattern. The Rams’ defense will hold up well, and if the offense can put three or four touchdowns on the board, the Rams will be in the game. If Gurley can get going, or if the Rams’ defense can score another touchdown, an upset is possible. The Rams must keep Keenum upright and get after Palmer. CARDINALS 21, RAMS 13

Contact the writer: rhammond@scng.com

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-730782-last-season.html

I am proud to say I did not watch the shit show. Calling it a debate is ridiculous. It is a corporate production. Trump is a teapublican Clinton a pro-choice neocon endorsed by the likes of GHWBush. The only hope for intelligent debate was escorted off campus by armed corporate guard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po4NAoHp1bw

Yes I agree KB will be fine this year as the deep threat. Hopefully Cooper and especially Spruce can fulfill the promise shown in the preseason. That would help KB out a lot.

Britt fits the Fisher mold better, his blocking ability . Givens needed a strong arm imo. I remember seeing out run Bradford’s arm a few times and once Bradford went down the Rams didn’t have anyone with enough arm to really use him properly. If you look at when Britt goes deep he usually has to adjust to an under thrown ball.Bradford as I write this is looking like the Vikes prayers answered.He’s carving up Green Bay pretty good for only being there 2 weeks.

One of the knocks on Wentz coming out was the level of competition. I too preferred Wentz and I considered the level of competition argument meaningless. NDSU has put quite a few players in the NFL.I think Goff will be just fine but it will take a while.

InvaderRam wrote:

i’m hoping cooper and spruce get healthy soon and make a real contribution to this offense.

At least stacking 9 or 10 in the box would stop , Spruce in the slot takes away your nickle from run D.