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It appears they were able to put more money in Long’s early years than I think they can with Quinn. I will just have to wait until JT gives us the full details or the Cap places post the contract.
Agamemnon<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Agamemnon wrote:</div>
zn wrote:
Quinn averages just under $11 million under a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days.
11 M is actually less than Long.
But I guess what Quinn really wants is the guaranteed money–that that balances out the avg.
This deal just plain makes the future cap an open field of dreams.
I always assumed it would be far more than that, in terms of a cap hit.
I wonder if people realize that even with this deal the Rams now have probably around 68 or so M in 2016 cap space free right now.
I think they probably used up a bit more of the cap in 2016. 2014 and 2015 are close. The 68 million of space in 2016 is probably less than that, cause they have to take some money out somewhere. imo
Well what I did was subtact 11 M more from the current 2016 cap.
I doubt they backloaded it so I was just using the avg. annual amount to get a rough guess-timate.
I saw that but don’t think we can figure a flat 11m/yr deal. We will know for sure in a couple days. But in the mean time we can probably compare it to Long’s contract.
Agamemnon
Watt is only guaranteed ~20m and there is a some fluff at the end. They also chose to take a big hit in 2015 and they can cut him after 2015. I am sure Quinn isn’t cutable until 2016. imo AgamemnonQuinn averages just under $11 million under a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days.
11 M is actually less than Long.
But I guess what Quinn really wants is the guaranteed money–that that balances out the avg.
This deal just plain makes the future cap an open field of dreams.
I always assumed it would be far more than that, in terms of a cap hit.
I wonder if people realize that even with this deal the Rams now have probably around 68 or so M in 2016 cap space free right now.
I think they probably used up a bit more of the cap in 2016. 2014 and 2015 are close. The 68 million of space in 2016 is probably less than that, cause they have to take some money out somewhere. imo
AgamemnonQuinn averages just under $11 million under a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days.
11 M is actually less than Long.
But I guess what Quinn really wants is the guaranteed money–that that balances out the avg.
This deal just plain makes the future cap an open field of dreams.
I thought it would be far more than that, in terms of a cap hit.
They had Quinn for at least 3 years anyway. The 2 left on the contract and a franchise year. Quinn is happy to get some nice money and guarantees up front. The exact structure will probably be ~2m/yr bonus and first 3 years guaranteed. The last 3 years are probably 10m/years. Just guessing here. 😉
AgamemnonThe deal is worth $65.5 million w/$41.2 million guaranteed. That’s over a 6-year period because 2014 year and 2015 year were torn up
I don;t think that’s the final say on that contract. 65 M for 6 years is way too low–that’s less than what Long has in terms of the annual average. So we need to see the breakdown.
Above is the break down. Contracts are evolving to more real money and less fluff.
Agamemnonhttp://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-sign-quinn-to-four-year-extension/article_af5091cc-f79d-527b-9a53-894607d62371.html?print=true&cid=print
stltoday.com
Rams sign Quinn to four-year extension
16 minutes ago • By Jim Thomas jthomas@post-dispatch.com 314-340-8197TAMPA, Fla. • The Rams lost defensive end Chris Long for two months due to ankle surgery last week. On Saturday, they gained defensive end Robert Quinn for four years with a contract extension.
Quinn, a Pro Bowler and the Pro Football Writers Association NFL defensive player of the year in 2013, signed a four-year contract extension before the team boarded a plane for Tampa early Saturday afternoon.
The overall value of the deal is $65.5 million, with $41.2 million in guaranteed money. That money is over a six-year period, because the 2014 and 2015 years of Quinn’s current deal were ripped up in the extension.
(Quinn was due $1.67 this year under the last year of his original contract as a first-round pick in 2014, and $6.9 million in 2015 after the Rams exercised an option for a fifth year.
So Quinn, who led the NFC with 19 sacks a year ago, is now under contract through the 2019 season. It’s the second-richest deal in Rams franchise history behind the $78 million deal, with $50 million guaranteed, signed by quarterback Sam Bradford after being the No. 1 overall draft in 2010.
Even so, considering what Quinn has done already and the fact that he’s still only 24 years old, it seems a fair deal for both parties. Quinn averages just under $11 million under a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days.
But he gets roughly two-thirds of that money — $41.2 million — guaranteed.
“It’s great to get it done,” said Kevin Demoff, Rams executive vice president of football operations said.
The Rams (0-1) play Tampa Bay (0-1) in a 3:05 p.m. kickoff Sunday at Raymond James Stadium.
AgamemnonHow good is Quinn?
Jim Thomas @jthom1 Sep 8
Even with Vikings throwing only 25 times, Robert Quinn and 2 QB pressures and 4 QB hits.They can’t run on him either.
AgamemnonIt is a fair deal for Quinn and the Rams. imo
It appears that instead of paying him 10m for 2 years, we are now paying him 65.5m for 6 years.
AgamemnonI think the Rams weren’t ready. Fisher gets the credit for that game. Let’s see if they are more ready this week, then he can have the credit for that. imo
AgamemnonI would have drafted Matthews and Donald. Then I would have tried to trade up to get Benjamin. I don’t think I would have drafted Mason. I would have drafted Tajh Boyd, but he got taken one spot in front of us. The rest, I don’t know. I don’t think anybody offered me enough to trade down.
AgamemnonThe taunting penalty by Bates upsides me more than the picky face mask penalty on Quick or the offside penalties.
AgamemnonI don’t know why–but reading that somehow made me feel better.
Well, tx for posting it. 😉
AgamemnonThe corp. takes care of its image. That is most important. It is ok to lie or be wrong, but don’t embarrass me.
AgamemnonAgamemnon wrote:
The Rams weren’t ready to play. I blame Fisher for this one.And if Hill was playing hurt?
I am talking about the entire team’s preformance. The common thread is that the Rams were not ready to play. That is Fisher’s responsablitiy.
Agamemnonhttp://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-report/rams-restructure-c-long-pettis-contracts/article_626c1049-e1ae-5d30-be8a-ef8de652406a.html?print=true&cid=print
Rams restructure C. Long, Pettis contracts
3 hours ago • By Jim Thomas jthomas@post-dispatch.com 314-340-8197The Rams restructured the contracts of defensive end Chris Long and wide receiver Austin Pettis on Wednesday, in moves designed to clear up salary cap space to get through the 2014 season.
Combined, the moves free up $2.481 million in cap room. Long didn’t lose any money in his restructuring; Pettis did.
In the case of Long, the Rams simply turned $3 million of his 2014 base salary into a $3 million signing bonus. Long gets the same amount of overall money this season _ $13.2 million _ but because signing bonus money can be amortized _ or spread over the remaining years of a contract _ the Rams saved $2 million against the 2014 cap here.
(Of the $3 million signing bonus, $1 million of it counts against Long’s ’14 cap number; $1 million goes against his 2015 cap number, raising it to $12.5 million; and $1 million of it is added to his 2016 cap number, raising it to $14.25 million. Long’s contract expires after the ’16 season.)
In the case of Pettis, who enters the regular season as the No. 5 wide receiver on the roster, he took a pay cut. He was scheduled to make $1.431 million in base salary this season. Now he’s down to $950,000 in the form of a $700,000 base salary and a $250,000 renegotiation signing bonus. So it adds up to a $481,000 cap cut for Pettis and a $481,000 cap savings for the Rams.
Pettis can recoup $400,000 of that money via incentives based on receptions, reception yards, and touchdowns this season _ the last year of his contract.
The Rams were down to just $475,000 in cap room prior to these moves according to NFL Players Association figures.
AgamemnonWe are on the 10-6 plateau. We are better than 8-8, but it is hard to get above 10 wins. imo
AgamemnonZac Stacy is listed as the starting running back, which is to be expected. But Benny Cunningham is No. 2 and outperformed Stacy in the preseason.
Did Cunningham really outperform Stacy, or are we just looking at stats that meant little to nothing? Stacy is better, of course he’s getting the bulk of the carries. I think the more important questions is whether Tre Mason sees the field. I liked Watts better than both Cunningham and Mason.
Yeah, I would have Trey active and Tre inactive.
Agamemnon
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/roster/STL/st-louis-rams
This link seems have the most up to date information on rosters. fwiwThey have numbers for all the players. Cunningham got an Injury Settlement. I assume he is no longer a Ram.
Agamemnon
