Seattle, only because it is a division game and they count more in the standings. I want the Rams to play a good game against whoever they play. If the other team wins, good for them, and we need to get better.

Washington Redskins quarterback Colt McCoy is questionable to return to their game against the New York Giants after aggravating a neck injury. McCoy previously injured his neck against the St. Louis Rams last weekend. Robert Griffin III has come in to relieve McCoy.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000443119/article/colt-mccoy-neck-questionable-to-return-for-redskins

Robert Griffin III showed his wheels with an 8-yard TD run to extend the Redskins’ lead over the Giants.

Let’s go Legend.

• This reply was modified 10 years ago by Agamemnon.
• This reply was modified 10 years ago by Agamemnon.

I want offensive linemen the most. I would happily draft 3 in the first 3 rounds. But, if the talent lies at another position, I am drafting talent, not position. This draft has some good offensive line talent so I am confident that drafting talent will get me some good offensive linemen.

NFL Draft Big Board: Bowls, all-star games bring extra scrutiny
by Rob Rang | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
Dec. 10, 2014 3:44 PM ET

Melvin Gordon is among the underclassmen leaving early for the NFL Draft. (USATSI) Melvin Gordon is among the underclassmen leaving early for the NFL Draft. (USATSI)

Not all prospects are preparing for bowl games, instead shifting their focus to what they need to do before all-star games and the pre-draft workout circuit.

This is especially true of underclassmen, like Michigan’s talented pass-catcher Devin Funchess, who announced that he would give up his final year of eligibility to enter the 2015 NFL Draft. Last year’s strong crop of prospects was fortified with a record 98 underclassmen and the trend isn’t likely to slow down.

Much will change before the first pick of the 2015 NFL Draft is announced on April 30. As it stands, these are my top 50 NFL prospects in college football. Of them, two-thirds are underclassmen.

1. Leonard Williams, DT, 6-4, 290, 4.88, Jr, Southern Cal: Strong, athletic and passionate, the Trojans’ star is earning comparisons to everyone from Houston Texans’ defensive end J.J. Watt to Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive tackle Gerald McCoy for his ability to dominate the line of scrimmage while alternating between defensive tackle and defensive end. He’s too quick for guards and too strong for tackles, wreaking havoc along the line of scrimmage against the run and pass.

2. Randy Gregory, DE, 6-5, 242, Jr, 4.76, Nebraska: Gregory is the country’s elite edge defender. From a two- or three-point stance, he’s a natural pass rusher with an explosive get-off, flexibility, long arms and active hands and the tenacious style of play (including against the run) that will endear him to coaches. Gregory is lanky and needs to bulk up if he is to remain at defensive end in the NFL. He also struggled with injuries in 2014. An old knee injury was aggravated in the season opener and required a knee scope that cost him the next game. Further, Gregory was sidelined in Nebraska’s regular season finale with injury (reportedly for head and ankle injuries).

3. Marcus Mariota, QB, 6-4, 215, 4.52, rJr, Oregon: Mariota’s mesmerizing physical traits have long captivated scouts, but he’s also answering questions about his mettle and poise with impressive wins against physical defenses from Michigan State, Stanford and Utah that might have previously given him trouble. His stellar play this season warrants his status as the Heisman favorite. He is not, however, the “can’t miss” prospect that some imply. He is potentially a special weapon because of his speed in an era of dual-threat quarterbacks. But he’s a good, not great, passer. Further, Oregon’s speed and scheme complicate Mariota’s projection to the NFL as he won’t see the wide-open passing lanes at the next level.

4. Shane Ray, DE, 6-3, 245, 4.54, Jr, Missouri: Ray had to bide his time backing up Michael Sam and Kony Ealy but he has been dominant as a junior, leading the SEC with 14.5 sacks and 21.5 tackles for loss — despite missing most of the SEC Championship game after a hit on Alabama quarterback Blake Sims was deemed to be targeting by officials. Voted the conference’s Defensive Lineman of the Week three times, Ray is proving that his phenomenal athleticism — he’s been credited with a 4.4-second 40-yard dash and 40-plus vertical jump — translates well to the gridiron. Ray might wind up a top-five pick, as the perception in the scouting community is that he is just scratching the surface of his potential.
Shane Ray could wind up going in the top five picks. (USATSI) Shane Ray could wind up going in the top five picks. (USATSI)

5. Jameis Winston, QB, 6-4, 235, 4.83, rSo, Florida State: Winston’s off-field issues will be thoroughly investigated by NFL security and play a critical role in where he is drafted. But his talent is undeniable. His combination of size, functional mobility, anticipation and arm talent warrant No. 1 overall consideration. Equally undeniable is the fact that Winston has struggled in 2014 — 17 interceptions compared to 10 all of last year. Winston has the confidence, anticipation, accuracy and arm to deliver strikes downfield but he has a tendency to lock on and has been especially vulnerable to shallow defenders dropping back in front of his intended receivers. Given the frequency of zone blitzes in the NFL, this is an area in which Winston must improve.

6. Vic Beasley, OLB, 6-2, 235, 4.58, rSr, Clemson: With pressure on the quarterback priority No. 1 on defense, teams are more willing than ever to trade size for speed at the position. Like recent “undersized” first-round rushers Von Miller, Bruce Irvin, Barkevious Mingo and Dee Ford, Beasley boasts a lightning-quick first-step and the agility to stalk mobile quarterbacks.

7. Brandon Scherff, OT, 6-5, 315, 4.93, rSr, Iowa: Scherff may just prove to be the best in the long line of blockers tutored by Hawkeyes coach Kirk Ferentz, which is quite an accomplishment considering that 13 Iowa offensive linemen have been drafted since Ferentz took over in 1999. Scherff won big points with scouts for his toughness, battling back from a torn meniscus and corrective surgery on Sept. 8 to start against rival Iowa State five days later. Scherff doesn’t possess special traits like long arms or the flashy athleticism scouts look for and likely won’t be drafted as high as I grade him. He’s powerful, tough and tenacious, however, and I see him as one of the “safer” prospects in the country.

8. Amari Cooper, WR, 6-1, 205, 4.56, Jr, Alabama: Cooper’s production this season looks like something out of a video game. He’s shattered Alabama records with 115 receptions for 1,656 yards and 14 touchdowns. It isn’t just the production in Lane Kiffin’s pro-style scheme that has scouts excited. Cooper possesses great agility and first-step acceleration to generate big plays. He could be Alabama’s first winner of the Biletnikoff Award and is deserving of his Heisman finalist status. His lack of elite size and the occasional dropped pass keeps him out of the elite category.
Amari Cooper’s lack of elite size could lead to him dropping. (USATSI) Amari Cooper’s lack of elite size could lead to him dropping. (USATSI)

9. Shawn Oakman, DE, 6-8, 275, 4.92, rJr, Baylor: Oakman certainly looks the part of a top-10 pick, boasting an incredible combination of size, burst and power. He remains very much a work in progress, disappearing for stretches in showdowns against TCU and Oklahoma, among other contests. He has shown playmaking ability throughout his career, recording an astounding 12.5 tackles for loss last season despite not starting in his first season after transferring from Penn State. Using a top-10 pick on Oakman is a gamble, but it is a gamble that could result in winning the lottery.

10. Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, 6-5, 225, 4.49, rJr, Oklahoma: The character concerns which prompted Green-Beckham’s transfer from Missouri will certainly require investigating, but there is no denying his blend of size, acceleration and ball-skills. The skill-set is so rare, in fact, that DGB is likely to earn first-round consideration in 2015 even with the NCAA ruling the junior ineligible to play this year.

11. Dante Fowler Jr., DE, 6-3, 266, 4.84, Jr, Florida: A talented pass rusher with experience at outside linebacker and all over the defensive line, Fowler is an intriguing athlete with range, strength and flexibility. He isn’t as explosive off the snap or productive as some of the other pass rushers on this list but Fowler’s awareness and physicality make him better suited to handling the run. Through social media, Fowler insinuated that he may be heading to the NFL a year early, following news of the firing of Florida’s coaching staff.

12. Landon Collins, SS, 6-0, 215, 4.53, Jr, Alabama: Instinctive, athletic and an explosive hitter, Collins looks the part of a top-10 pick. His downhill-playing style might be best suited to strong safety as he has been fooled deep on occasion this year due to his aggression. Further, scouts are certainly aware of the fact that few of the highly drafted few defensive backs out of Alabama have performed as brilliantly in the NFL as they did for Nick Saban.

13. Danny Shelton, DT, 6-2, 323, 5.17, Sr, Washington: Broad-shouldered, powerful and surprisingly passionate in pursuit, Shelton is a classic two-gap run defender with the gaudy statistics to catch the attention of scouts. He has flashed first-round talent throughout his career but has played at a different level as a senior, boosting his stock considerably.

14. Alvin “Bud” Dupree, DE, 6-4, 267, 4.63, rSr, Kentucky: The Wildcats may not have the history of churning out high-end defenders of some other SEC teams, but that won’t stop Dupree from earning a first-round selection. Dupree’s length, agility and closing speed stand out on tape, as does his comfort playing out of the two- or three-point stance. Better yet, his traits translate into production against quality competition, as Dupree is the SEC’s active sack leader.

15. Lael Collins, OT, 6-5, 315, 5.12, Sr, LSU: Collins doesn’t get the national attention of other tackles in this class, but the big man is surprisingly agile in pass protection and is a mauler in the running game. Collins isn’t an elite athlete and therefore will likely wind up inside at guard or right tackle in the NFL rather than at his customary left tackle position but he has the square build and physical nature to handle the move.

16. Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, 6-5, 300, 4.98, rSr, Texas A&M: Former Aggies Luke Joeckel (2013) and Jake Matthews (2014) were the second and sixth overall picks in successive drafts, and Ogbuehi has more raw talent than either player. He’s remarkably light on his feet for a man of his size and possesses the balance and long arms to catch up to pass-rushers even if beaten off the snap. Ogbuehi struggled with the transition from right to left tackle this year, however, and has since been moved back. That’s certainly a red flag but Ogbuehi’s upside is undeniable.
Cedric Ogbuehi is remarkably light on his feet for a 300-pound tackle. (USATSI) Cedric Ogbuehi is remarkably light on his feet for a 300-pound tackle. (USATSI)

17. Shaq Thompson, OLB, 6-2, 231, 4.56, Jr, Washington: Boasting terrific athleticism, instincts and awareness, Thompson has proven a standout wherever he’s played for the Huskies, including most recently at running back. While perhaps not as stout as preferred, Thompson’s fluidity, reliable open-field tackling and big-play moxie could earn him a hybrid linebacker/safety role.

18. Trae Waynes, CB, 6-1, 183, 4.53, rJr, Michigan State: While former teammate Darqueze Dennard won the Thorpe Award last year as the nation’s top defensive back, some scouts questioned if Waynes wasn’t the better NFL prospect. Waynes possesses the length, fluidity and ball skills required of cornerbacks in today’s pass-happy NFL and is stouter against the run than his frame implies.

19. Kevin White, WR, 6-3, 209, 4.49, Sr, West Virginia: No player has improved his draft stock more in 2014 than White. It isn’t just his production (102 catches for 1,318 yards and nine touchdowns) that is impressing scouts. White’s size, strength and ability to come down with contested grabs is something that every team in the NFL is looking for at the receiver position.

20. Ronnie Stanley, OT, 6-6, 318, 5.16, rSoph, Notre Dame: I generally don’t include redshirt sophomores in rankings, especially offensive linemen. As Greg Robinson (also a redshirt sophomore) proved last year as the No. 2 overall pick, teams are willing to gamble on youth if the tools are there. Impressive efforts against Louisville’s Lorenzo Mauldin (Nov. 22) and top-rated prospect Leonard Williams of Southern Cal showed why some think he’ll soon follow Zack Martin, the man he replaced at left tackle for the Irish, as a first-round pick. Stanley sports a well-proportioned frame with long arms. He’s light on his feet and plays with both strength and aggression.

21. DeVante Parker, WR, 6-3, 209, 4.45, Sr, Louisville: A broken left foot sidelined Parker for the first seven games of the 2014 season but he’s returned with a vengeance since and was dynamic against Florida State, recording eight catches for 214 yards and finishing the regular season with six grabs for 180 yards and three scores to help beat Kentucky. Parker can win with his height and ability to high-point passes. He also has impressive fluidity and acceleration for a receiver of his size.

22. T.J. Clemmings, OT, 6-5, 305, 5.05, rSr, Pittsburgh: The Panthers boast two of the more exciting young players in college football in James Conner and Tyler Boyd but Clemmings is a potential first-round talent in his own right. He’s made steady progress at right tackle since making the jump from defensive end two years ago and boasts an exciting combination of length, agility and tenacity.

23. Melvin Gordon, RB, 6-1, 207, 4.52, rJr, Wisconsin: The Heisman finalist was contained by Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship, averaging just 2.9 yards on 26 attempts by the Buckeyes. Despite his inability to break big plays in this game, Gordon is highly regarded by scouts for his ability to do precisely this. He boasts elite acceleration and great lateral agility to make defenders miss. With Georgia’s Todd Gurley suffering an ACL tear — and tumbling out of my Big Board rankings — Gordon has ascended to the top spot among running backs.

24. Devin Funchess, WR, 6-5, 230, 4.55, Jr, Michigan: Funchess began his college career at tight end but he starred outside at receiver in 2014 and projects best in this role in the NFL. His combination of size, acceleration and body control make him a matchup nightmare, though he still drops more passes than he should. If Funchess runs in the 4.5s during workouts, it is hard to imagine him slipping out of the first round.
Devin Funchess has the size, fluidity and speed to star in the NFL. (USATSI) Devin Funchess has the size, fluidity and speed to star in the NFL. (USATSI)

25. P.J. Williams, CB, 6-0, 190, 4.48, Jr, Florida State: Williams has gone up against some of the more talented receivers in college football and succeeded, demonstrating the fluidity, balance and acceleration scouts expect out of a first round cornerback. I’d like to see him wrap more securely but as he proved yet again with solid hits in the ACC Championship victory over Georgia Tech, Williams doesn’t lack confidence or physicality as a tackler.

26. Eddie Goldman, DT, 6-3, 314, 5.28, Jr, Florida State: Teams are willing to gamble on difference-makers along the defensive line almost as much as they are quarterbacks, and no defensive tackle has captured the imagination of scouts more than Goldman this season. Goldman is broad, powerful and surprisingly athletic, having stood at defensive end in 2013 before making the switch back inside this year. Goldman was carted off the field with an ankle injury during the ACC Championship but FSU head coach Jimbo Fisher said that he expects his best run-stuffer back in time for the New Year’s Day Rose Bowl matchup with Oregon.

27. Andrus Peat, OT, 6-6, 312, 5.28, Jr, Stanford: Peat signed with Stanford as a five-star recruit and possesses the combination of size and athleticism scouts drool over. However, he has experienced notable lapses this season, from getting blown up by Notre Dame and struggling mightily against Utah’s Nate Orchard. Peat’s upside warrants early consideration but unless he develops more nastiness to his play, there is doubt that he will fulfill his potential.

28. Marcus Peters, CB, 6-0, 198, 4.52, Jr, Washington: On the field, Peters is the top cornerback in the class. His aggression, length and ball skills (11 career interceptions) are clearly first-round caliber. However, I have some reservations about his straight-line speed and the greater concern is his character. Peters was dismissed from the team by new Washington head coach Chris Peterson Nov. 6 and he was suspended by the previous staff for the first quarter of the 2012 Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, as well. Pre-draft interviews will be critical for Peters.

29. Benardrick McKinney, OLB, 6-4, 245, 4.58, rJr, Mississippi State: Quarterback Dak Prescott got the Heisman hype but a big part of Mississippi State’s special season has been a deep and ferocious defense, the most gifted of which is McKinney. Boasting a freakish combination of size and athleticism, McKinney looks the part of a top-20 pick, though some have concerns about where he’ll fit best at the next level.

30. Ereck Flowers, OT, 6-5, 322, 5.26, Jr, Miami (Fla.): Flowers returns to the Big Board after a very impressive performance against Mario Edwards Jr. and Florida State. He dropped off the list after undergoing knee surgery in late October but certainly looked no worse for wear against the defending champs. Flowers is light on his feet and balanced in pass protection. He is aggressive and active as a run blocker, including looking for defenders in pursuit. If Flowers checks out medically, he’s a likely first-round pick.

31. Danielle Hunter, DE, 6-6, 240, 4.68, Jr, LSU: Hunter sports a lanky build, but he is surprisingly strong at the point of attack and uses his length and lateral agility very well to harass quarterbacks — rushing after them or batting down passes at the line of scrimmage. Hunter knocked down three passes, for example, against Alabama. Like many of the pass rushers on this list, Hunter is a work in progress but his exciting skill set and the value of his position in today’s NFL could push him into the first round if he were to make himself eligible.

32. Leonard Floyd, OLB, 6-3, 230, 4.73, rSo, Georgia: Floyd is even lankier than Hunter but he’s more powerful than he looks and has the burst and agility to wreak havoc off the edge. Floyd was productive in 2014 — recording 55 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss and three forced fumbles and leading the Bulldogs with six sacks — but if the redshirt sophomore were to leave early, the team that invests an early-round pick in him would do so hoping that his best football was yet to come.

Just missed the cut:

Shilique Calhoun, DE, 6-4, 257, 4.72, rJr, Michigan State
Jaelen Strong, WR, 6-4, 212, 4.55, rJr, Arizona State
Arik Armstead, DT, 6-7, 296, 4.96, Jr, Oregon
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, 5-10, 185, 4.46, Sr, Oregon
AJ Cann, OG, 6-3, 318, 5.18, Sr, South Carolina
Ty Sambrailo, OT, 6-5, 315, 5.27, rSr, Colorado State
Lorenzo Mauldin, DE/OLB, 6-4, 243, 4.73, Sr, Louisville
Connor Cook, QB, 6-4, 220, 4.89, Jr, Michigan State
Markus Golden, DE, 6-3, 260, 4.72, Sr, Missouri
Cody Prewitt, FS, 6-2, 212, 4.59, Sr, Mississippi
DeForest Buckner, DE, 6-6, 286, 4.89, Jr, Oregon
Maxx Williams, TE, 6-4, 250, 4.85, rSo, Minnesota
Eli Harold, OLB, 6-4, 235, 4.73, Jr, Virginia
Nelson Agholor, WR, 6-1, 190, 4.49, Jr, Southern Cal
Brett Hundley, QB, 6-3, 227, 4.64, rJr, UCLA
Tyreek Hill, WR, 5-10, 185, 4.41, Jr, Oklahoma State
Cameron Erving, OL, 6-5, 308, 5.16, rSr, Florida State
Nate Orchard, DE, 6-4, 255, 4.76, Sr, Utah

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/big-board

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Cards’ Drew Stanton suffered Grade 2 MCL sprain

By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Published: Dec. 12, 2014 at 01:08 p.m.
Updated: Dec. 12, 2014 at 06:15 p.m.

The Arizona Cardinals got some great news Friday on quarterback Drew Stanton, who left Thursday night’s game with a right knee injury.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Friday evening that the quarterback has a Grade 2 MCL spain and is expected back for the playoffs, per two sources.

It’s a “huge relief,” a source familiar with the MRI results told Rapoport.

Coach Bruce Arians told reporters earlier on Friday that Stanton will not need knee surgery and there is no timetable for the quarterback’s return.

“(Stanton) definitely has a chance to be back this season, we just don’t know when,” Arians added.

That likely means the Cardinals will have to weather the rest of the regular season without their veteran quarterback. Arizona (11-3), barring a tie between the Philadelphia Eagles and Dallas Cowboys on Sunday, clinched a playoff spot with their 12-6 victory over the St. Louis Rams.

Stanton has guided the Cardinals to a 3-2 mark in five games since taking over the starting duties after Carson Palmer’s season ended with a torn ACL.

On Thursday, the Cards turned to former 2012 sixth-round pick Ryan Lindley to close out the win. Depending on how much time Stanton misses, Arians could roll with Lindley or plug in rookie Logan Thomas after prepping the big, young signal-caller during the week.

The latest Around The NFL Podcast previews the Week 15 schedule and recaps the Cardinals’ win over the Rams. Find more Around The NFL content on NFL NOW.

I hope he is OK.

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Cook: Rams ‘outplayed’ and ‘out-coached’ by Cards

By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Published: Dec. 12, 2014 at 07:45 a.m.
Updated: Dec. 12, 2014 at 08:28 a.m.

Despite copious injuries to their roster, the Arizona Cardinals’ consistent display of great élan and toughness on the gridiron has led them to 11 wins, all but assuring themselves of a playoff berth and a Coach of The Year award for Bruce Arians.

However, it takes two to tango, as they say. On Thursday night, despite playing against a backup’s backup at quarterback, the St. Louis Rams capitulated, ultimately wilting 12-6 to a superior defense.

“We got outplayed, we got out-coached, and we just put a bad display out there,” Jared Cook said per the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

The tight end declined to elaborate on what he meant by being “out-coached” when asked.

“It’s pretty self-explanatory,” he said. “We got outplayed and out-coached. All we put up was six points and didn’t get in the (end zone) not once tonight. That’s a pretty unsuccessful night if you ask me.”

You’ll get no argument here.

The Shaun Hill-led Rams amassed 280 yards of total offense, 229 yards passing, just 69 rushing yards, a fumble, an interception on the final play and settled for field goals inside the 10-yard line twice. The Rams’ offense failed to get a first down the entire third quarter, going three-and-out five times in the period.

Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer continually leads unimaginative, unproductive and floundering offenses. Thursday was just the latest example.

The Cardinals’ defense deserves credit, but as Cook said, it was pretty self-explanatory: The Rams’ offense was a hot pile of garbage.

The latest Around The NFL Podcast previews the Week 15 schedule and recaps the Cardinals’ win over the Rams. Find more Around The NFL content on NFL NOW.

Lol and now he’s lost two QBs against the Rams thus greatly reducing any chance he had in the playoffs.
He must HATE the Rams by now.

Weren’t he and Fisher in the same division? Maybe there is history. 😉

December 11
(2:00 PM): Bruins QB headed to draft … UCLA junior QB Brett Hundley still hasn’t said anything officially, but Bruins’ head coach Jim Mora has confirmed that the team’s Alamo Bowl date with Kansas State early next month will be the player’s last game at the school as he will be entering the 2015 draft. Hundley is generally considered to be the 3rd QB in this year’s draft field behind Marcus Mariota of Oregon and Florida State’s Jameis Winston , although he is still not thought to be a lock to be an opening round selection. Meanwhile, Alabama offensive co-ordinator Lane Kiffen has been quoted publicly as saying he does not expect junior WR Amari Cooper, a top 5-10 prospect for this year’s draft, to be back next fall. At the same time, ball-hawking Tulane junior CB Lorenzo Doss has declared for this year’s draft. Doss, who has 15 career interceptions, is considered to be a possible late second day pick for the upcoming draft.

http://www.gbnreport.com/

1. La’el Collins OT
2. Cameron Erving OT **** Connor Cook QB

3. Sean Mannion QB/LB

5. LB/QB

A. Resign Barksdale, Britt, and Hill for a total of $10 million.

Here are my meager notes and some links

http://walterfootball.com/draftdata.php

http://walterfootball.com/draft2008P.php#2015positions

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft

http://www.gbnreport.com/

http://theramshuddle.com/topic/an-early-look-at-the-nfl-draft-bob-mcginn/

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I think eventually Tavon needs to be a complete WR with the playmaking stuff as extra.

I don’t think they would have forced Wells to take a paycut if they didn’t have a replacement for him. imo About the time Jones would have had a chance, he had back trouble. I read somewhere that he was taking practice snaps at RT. With all players healthy, Jones was active for this game. Although he was probably the 8th Oline at this point.

It is probably some of both, but I blame our slow start on the coaching. It is almost a trademark of Fisher teams. imo

wv wrote:

Shouldn’t a penalty have been called on
his long punt return?
I mean, is it legal for him to actually
return one without a penalty?

w
v

A fair catch penalty wiped out one punt return, so I guess they had their quota?