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  • #137728
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    for a sixth rounder.  i don’t know man.  that just sucks.

     

    well.  i bet this means the rams go after obj.

    #137729
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    https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2022-03-19/rams-trade-robert-woods-tennessee-titans

     

    The Rams are receiving a 2023 sixth-round draft pick in exchange for Woods.

    Woods, who turns 30 in April, signed with the Rams in 2017 and has been a pillar for teams that made four playoff appearances and played in two Super Bowls in the last five seasons. He joins left tackle Andrew Whitworth, who retired, and punter Johnny Hekker, who was released, as core pieces no longer part of the team.

    Woods is recovering from a season-ending knee injury he suffered in November but is expected to be ready for training camp. Woods was injured the day after the Rams signed receiver Odell Beckham Jr., who suffered a knee injury during the Rams’ Super Bowl LVI victory over the Cincinnati Bengals.

    In 2020, the Rams gave Woods a four-year extension that included $32 million in guarantees. He was due to carry a salary-cap number of $15.7 million this season, according to overthecap.com. He was due to receive a $3.5-million roster bonus on Sunday, according to Spotrac.com.

    With receiver Cooper Kupp carrying an $18.7-million cap number, Woods was regarded as a potential trade piece even before the Rams last week signed free-agent receiver Allen Robinson to a three-year contract that includes $31 million in guarantees.

    The Rams receiver corps includes Kupp, Robinson, Van Jefferson, Ben Skowronek, Tutu Atwell and Brandon Powell, the Rams’ kick returner who agreed to terms on Saturday. Beckham is a free agent, but the Rams have said they would like to re-sign him.

    Trading Woods ends a successful stint in Los Angeles for the Carson native, who attended Gardena Serra High and was an All-American at USC.

    Woods played his first four NFL seasons with the Buffalo Bills, who selected him in the second round of the 2013 draft. He signed with the Rams in March 2017, two months after the team made then 30-year-old Sean McVay the youngest coach in modern NFL history.

    Woods and Kupp were integral parts of receiving corps that included Sammy Watkins in 2017 and Brandin Cooks in 2018 and 2019.

    Woods eclipsed 1,100 yards receiving in 2018 and 2019. He caught 18 touchdown passes in four seasons, but his value went beyond his statistics. Woods and Kupp were leaders and enthusiastic and effective blockers for former Rams running back Todd Gurley and other Rams ballcarriers.

    This is a developing story. The Times will have more soon on Woods.

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by Avatar photoInvaderRam.
    #137735
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    #137736
    JackPMiller
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    We only get a 2023 6th round pick? Really?

    #137737
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    I think there is just a lot to unpack here and it’s just not simply done in a space with limited characters. So hang tight for a minute and will try my best, definitely see your questions
    Michael Fabiano@Michael_Fabiano
    Eagles, Browns and Bears were all very interested in Robert Woods. Green Bay also but moved too slowly. Woods loved the idea of going to the Titans, and the Rams made the move.
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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    Well, when you win the Super Bowl, it comes with a giant bowl of Benefit Of The Doubt, but I’m just here to drop my “this is all a big mistake” so that I can either be proven correct or look stupid in 11 months.
    But what’s the big upside to all of this so far? A unknown in Allen Robinson, who is all of a year younger than Woods? If they do something eye-popping on defense, then the calculus changes for me.
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    RAMS REPORT@RamsNFLReport
    Don’t forget that the Rams DO NOT have OBJ.

    At WR they have:

    • Cooper Kupp
    • Allen Robinson
    • Van Jefferson
    • Brandon Powell
    • Ben Skowronek
    • Tutu Atwell

    Louis Riddick@LRiddickESPN
    Robert Woods had missed 1 game/1 start in the 3 seasons prior to being injured in November ‘21. Was considered to be a guy that was irreplaceable because of how important he was to the Rams on the field and in the locker room. Rehab on track. Trade is a good one for Tennessee.
    Cesar @ClappedCesar
    I love Robert Woods next to anyone, but y’all really weren’t paying attention. They paid Arob WR1/2 money and had 3 WR’s making above 10 mill a year making them the most expensive WR room in the NFL. Sadly it was bound to happen.
    #137739
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    We only get a 2023 6th round pick? Really?

    Chances are they gave Woods some say as to where he would be traded. So this makes sense:

    Michael Fabiano@Michael_Fabiano
    Eagles, Browns and Bears were all very interested in Robert Woods. Green Bay also but moved too slowly. Woods loved the idea of going to the Titans, and the Rams made the move.

    He’s traded the same day they extend Stafford so that lends credence to the idea that they needed cap space. But then to really understand this we would have to know the details on Robinson’s contract.

    Here’s RW’s contract numbers:

    #137751
    Avatar photoRamsMaineiac
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    So by trading him, this essentially shifts the full contract to the Titans and frees up 15.7MM in 2022, right?  There is no dead money right?

    #137752
    Avatar photoRamsMaineiac
    Keymaster

    Never mind, found my own, unhappy answer…

    Salary cap impact of Rams trading Robert Woods

    Save 7.1 and eat 8.6 in dead money.

    #137753
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    Chances are they gave Woods some say as to where he would be traded.

    Yep.

    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
    One more on Robert Woods: The Rams worked with him to find the right destination. Titans are a scheme fit—Woods is a great downfield threat off play-action and a strong run blocker—and great intangible fit. This was a tough 1 for Sean McVay, so Rams wanted to do right by Woods.
    #137754
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    #137755
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    allen robinson has some freaking big shoes to fill.  some big expectations.  and he better damn well run block!

     

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    #137758
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    SeattleRams@seattlerams_nfl
    if you’re shocked that the Rams would extend a player with a big deal, and then see them move away from that player, then you certainly must be new to this team. Ogletree, Gurley, Goff, Cooks and Tavon would like to invite you to the group chat.
    #137762
    Avatar photoZooey
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    For the Vikings fella, I woulda understood. A position of depth for a position of need. Would not have loved it, but would have understood.

    A 6th rounder?

    I would have liked to be in on the conversations because there is no way, from my couch, that this trade makes sense. I mean…if 5 teams were interested, how the F### is a 6th rounder not a laughable bid? Would you trade a 6th rounder to acquire Woods? In a nanosecond.

    Why do the Rams trade a 2nd and a 3rd for Miller for half a season, and get only a 6th for Robert Woods for 3 years, or whatever he has left?

    This just derails my brain.

    #137763
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    I would have liked to be in on the conversations because there is no way, from my couch, that this trade makes sense.

     

    Well as was said in the thread, it’s a 6th rounder because the Rams let Woods choose the team he went to, and he chose the Titans…and that’s all they were offering.

    #137764
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I would have liked to be in on the conversations because there is no way, from my couch, that this trade makes sense.

    Well as was said in the thread, it’s a 6th rounder because the Rams let Woods choose the team he went to, and he chose the Titans…and that’s all they were offering.

    Okay, but sending Woods where he wants to go could be a consideration, but surely if another team offered something better – a 4th, say – business is business. They might give him the courtesy of 10-12 slots difference, but…a SIXTH?

    #137765
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    I would have liked to be in on the conversations because there is no way, from my couch, that this trade makes sense.

    Well as was said in the thread, it’s a 6th rounder because the Rams let Woods choose the team he went to, and he chose the Titans…and that’s all they were offering.

    Okay, but sending Woods where he wants to go could be a consideration, but surely if another team offered something better – a 4th, say – business is business. They might give him the courtesy of 10-12 slots difference, but…a SIXTH?

    Well respect to Woods was the prime consideration. Personally, I get that. Respected team leader, always came through for the team. They counted respect for his choice more than the compensation.

    #137767
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    Rodrigue: Unpacking the Rams’ trade of Robert Woods to the Titans, an emotionally loaded move driven by finances

    EAST RUTHERFORD, NEW JERSEY - OCTOBER 17: (NEW YORK DAILIES OUT) Robert Woods #2 of the Los Angeles Rams in action against the New York Giants at MetLife Stadium on October 17, 2021 in East Rutherford, New Jersey. Los Angeles Rams defeated the New York Giants 38-11. (Photo by Mike Stobe/Getty Images)

    The Rams traded receiver Robert Woods to the Titans on Saturday afternoon in exchange for a 2023 sixth-round pick, multiple sources told The Athletic. While the reason for the trade was simple — largely financial, I was told — the ripple effects from it won’t be.

    There’s a lot to unpack in a transaction as emotionally loaded as this one is. Woods is a perennial team captain and has been a core leader in the locker room since the Rams signed him in 2017. He helped build the culture that ultimately became so crucial to the Rams’ Super Bowl win. He’s also a Los Angeles native and former USC Trojan who heartbreakingly could not participate on the field through the backstretch of last season’s championship run because he tore his ACL during practice in November (he’s expected to return to full form before training camp).

    This trade requires us to hold many things in our minds at once as truths, even as fans and teammates are reeling from it:

    • The Rams were not going to pay three receivers $12 million-plus annually. Their acquisition of high-profile receiver Allen Robinson on Thursday was the first in a series of moves that foreshadowed major changes coming to a talent-crowded receivers room. Robinson’s own contract averages about $15 million per year, and I expect the Rams to also restructure triple crown receiver Cooper Kupp’s deal in the coming months to reflect the higher pay of a player of his caliber.

    They also want to re-sign Odell Beckham Jr., but it’s important to note that trading Woods wasn’t an either/or situation as far as Beckham is concerned. Beckham’s offer from the Rams isn’t likely to be a high one in its first year at least (or front-loaded if it’s a multiyear deal), because he will play only half a season at best when he returns from his own ACL injury suffered in the Super Bowl.

    The Rams will incur a dead-money hit of $8.6 million because they didn’t wait until after June 1 to trade Woods. But, a source directly familiar with the transaction said, the team will save about $10 million between cash, bonus and cap considerations previously owed to Woods in 2022.

    They are currently trying to restructure star defensive tackle Aaron Donald’s contract, and it’s likely to be very expensive. They’re also trying to remain aggressive in free agency through the spring and summer to add at important positions (they need another pass rusher and a cornerback, though one of the two can’t affect their compensatory-pick formula).

    • Why did the Rams acquire Robinson in the first place if they knew it would mean parting with Woods? Free agency isn’t always linear. Multiple action plans are required, and the Rams pivoted when they didn’t retain outside linebacker Von Miller. They believed as late as Wednesday morning that they would get him back, before the Bills’ quiet push and higher offer (six years, $120 million with $45 million guaranteed) persuaded him away.

    As they waited for Miller to explore free agency fully for the first time and make his decision, the other top available pass rushers were signed by other teams. A source said the Rams even internally discussed trade possibilities with Minnesota, who midweek was still figuring out what to do with pass-rusher Danielle Hunter.

    When it became clear their top pass-rush options were not viable, they signed Robinson, who was arguably the best free agent still available (and a top-10 player in this free-agent class overall) and fits what specifically Matthew Stafford and McVay want to do with their passing game. Moving Woods then seemed like an inevitability because of Robinson’s salary and Woods’ own.

    That’s not to say that the Rams wouldn’t have tried to trade Woods if Miller had stayed, considering his contract. They still could have done so after June 1, and incurred far less dead money in 2022. But, if Miller had stayed, they probably wouldn’t have also been able to afford Robinson. If they couldn’t afford Robinson, they wouldn’t have had an overcrowded and financially disproportionate receivers room (again, Beckham Jr.’s expected offer does not factor into this). Football’s calculus can be cruel.

    It was not ideal for the Rams to miss out on pass rushers in free agency’s initial wave (although there were mixed feelings internally about the size of the offer to Miller) On the other hand, a team can’t sit on its heels if its first plan goes awry and another elite player is available. The savings from not retaining Miller, extending Stafford and creating more cap space in 2022, and the extra savings from trading Woods will fold into more moves beyond the acquisition of Robinson.

    • Why couldn’t the Rams get more in return? A source said the team got a few calls and offers on Woods over the last two days, especially after they added Robinson. But they also wanted to find a good spot for Woods, and the Titans’ offense certainly is that — his blocking will unlock even more in their already-dangerous run game, and he thrives in play-action-heavy offenses. The Titans still use a ton of play-action, while the Rams dramatically moved away from their usage of it after trading for Stafford.

    Between offloading Woods’ salary and the fit, the Rams seemed prepared for the inevitable (and fair) criticism of receiving only a 2023 sixth-rounder for a player of Woods’ caliber.

    • To me, this move signals even more of schematic shift in 2022. We saw pieces of this last season, including the movement away from sweeps and play-action passes and the increased usage of pure dropback concepts and empty sets. Adding Stafford, then figuring out what he was truly capable of as a passer, then understanding how defenses were rapidly changing to contain the offense McVay ran from 2017 to 2020 forced the coach to adapt. Schematic changes often mean personnel changes.

    The move also signals a dramatic changing-of-the-guard in locker-room leadership, too — or at least, it will have to if the Rams want to keep their team culture cohesive. Stalwart left tackle Andrew Whitworth retired, and veteran punter Johnny Hekker was released. Like those players, Woods’ contributions to the Rams’ ethos were invaluable.

    His departure will require younger or newer players to emerge as stability points. The Rams have gambled in many phases of their team-build, and it has worked out for them. But the emotional implications of this move might be among their riskiest bets yet.

    Yes, there’s a lot to unpack from a move such as this.

    In physics, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Each reaction is in itself a new action, and the cycle continues. Time will tell what this move’s ultimate result is. We currently see only about half of the picture.

    The difficult part is that, in losing a player as meaningful as Woods has been to this franchise, to his teammates, coaches, fans and to media, we feel all of it

    #137768
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    #137769
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    #137774
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    I agree that the compensation was awful.  Snead really does seem to hate draft picks. And I don’t buy the idea that it’s just because of Woods’ salary or his age. The  Rams did the same thing, draft-wise, giving away Kenny Young — their starting and best linebacker at the time.

    I was thinking they might get a 2nd. Though, in hindsight, that was my homerism talking. He’s just an excellent receiver, can do it all, and, most importantly, locker-room gold. But he was apparently worth far more to the Rams than to anyone else.

    One of my all-time favorite Rams, from any era.

    #137775
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    And I don’t buy the idea that it’s just because of Woods’ salary or his age.

    It was neither. It was because they gave Woods the final say in choosing which team he wanted to be traded to. He chose the team he wanted most, and the Rams, out of respect to him, just accepted the Titan’s low bid. They weren’t out for the highest bidder, they were honoring Woods’s choice of teams, out of deference to what he meant to the Rams and how he conducted himself as a player and leader.

    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer

    One more on Robert Woods: The Rams worked with him to find the right destination. Titans are a scheme fit—Woods is a great downfield threat off play-action and a strong run blocker—and great intangible fit. This was a tough 1 for Sean McVay, so Rams wanted to do right by Woods.

    RODRIGUE: Why couldn’t the Rams get more in return? A source said the team got a few calls and offers on Woods over the last two days, especially after they added Robinson. But they also wanted to find a good spot for Woods….the Rams seemed prepared for the inevitable (and fair) criticism of receiving only a 2023 sixth-rounder for a player of Woods’ caliber.

    #137777
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    And I don’t buy the idea that it’s just because of Woods’ salary or his age.

    It was neither. It was because they gave Woods the final say in choosing which team he wanted to be traded to. He chose the team he wanted most, and the Rams, out of respect to him, just accepted the Titan’s low bid. They weren’t out for the highest bidder, they were honoring Woods’s choice of teams, out of deference to what he meant to the Rams and how he conducted himself as a player and leader.

    I have no way of knowing this (obviously), one way or another, but that strikes me as FO talk, not necessarily the truth. But if it is the case, I still don’t like it. “Respect” for Woods would include getting much more for him in return. “You were traded for the 2023 6th rounder?”

    etc.

    I don’t think that looks so great on a player’s record.

    Personally, I just don’t do the trade, with that as compensation. I find a way to keep Woods, which is showing him more respect, right?

    #137778
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    Well as was said in the thread, it’s a 6th rounder because the Rams let Woods choose the team he went to, and he chose the Titans…and that’s all they were offering.

    Okay, but sending Woods where he wants to go could be a consideration, but surely if another team offered something better – a 4th, say – business is business. They might give him the courtesy of 10-12 slots difference, but…a SIXTH?

     

    well… i was watching this youtube vid, and for amari cooper the cowboys got a fifth rounder and switched sixth rounders…

     

    so i’m not sure the rams would have gotten much better than a sixth… regardless of the intangibles he brought to the table. especially considering he’s older than cooper and coming off an acl. wide receivers just aren’t as valued i suppose.

     

    rodrigue makes some good points about a scheme change. and i also think von miller signing with the bills threw them for a loop. although woods might have been traded anyway.

     

    it’s sad. but as soon as they signed robinson i kept thinking how in the hell do you justify paying three wide receivers 15 million each?

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    #137780
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    I have no way of knowing this (obviously), one way or another, but that strikes me as FO talk, not necessarily the truth. But if it is the case, I still don’t like it. “Respect” for Woods would include getting much more for him in return. “You were traded for the 2023 6th rounder?”

     

    i agree somewhat. i don’t think the rams could have done much better. amari cooper netted a fifth and a move up the sixth round this year. he’s younger and not coming off a major injury. wide receivers are not as valued.

     

    but i definitely agree that the rams are trying to spin this. they had to. players are watching. bet on it. woods was respected by EVERYONE. offense and defense. the coaching staff. it just doesn’t look good. and it shouldn’t. woods was a man. how do you trade woods?

     

    arob has big shoes to fill. i don’t like reading that he quit on the team. hopefully it’s not true.

    #137781
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    It was neither. It was because they gave Woods the final say in choosing which team he wanted to be traded to. He chose the team he wanted most, and the Rams, out of respect to him, just accepted the Titan’s low bid. They weren’t out for the highest bidder, they were honoring Woods’s choice of teams, out of deference to what he meant to the Rams and how he conducted himself as a player and leader.

    I believe the Rams wanted to “do right” by Woods.

    But I’d sure like to know how these negotiations went. Did the Rams contact TN? What did the Eagles, Browns, and Bears offer? I can’t wrap my head around a 6th rounder.

    I have often wondered about the Rams getting poor return value on players they part with, but I’ve always thought that there is a possibility that I overvalue Rams players. But this is nonsense. A 6th rounder is probably out of the league before Woods retires. Woods is not just a proven starter, he is very, very good. It just seems like terrible poker playing on the part of the Rams.

    Robinson better be very, very good.

    Because they didn’t have to sign him. This whole roster change comes out of the oven as Robinson + 6th round pick in exchange for Woods.

    Now…why would you do that?

    It must be scheme. We know that Woods was down in production this year, and was actually unhappy after the first month of the season. Maybe the Rams decided that Woods wasn’t a real good match with Stafford’s style of play, and Robinson is a better fit. Let’s hope so.

    But…a sixth? Is that what TN thought Woods is worth? Did the Rams just lay al their cards on the table? Did they make no effort to leverage the other teams’ offers against TN to make them pay more?

    Anyway. So be it.

    #137782
    Avatar photoZooey
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    amari cooper netted a fifth and a move up the sixth round this year.

    I did not know that. I saw he was traded, but did not notice the details.

    That does change my thinking on it. That’s kind of mind-blowing to me. There are a lot of good WR, but…wow.

    #137783
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    I believe the Rams wanted to “do right” by Woods. But I’d sure like to know how these negotiations went.

    I just give the Rams the benefit of the doubt on this. I don’t see reasons to doubt the “do right by Woods” story. If the pick mattered less then 2 things mattered more–doing right by RW, and clearing cap space. That’s just how the logic of the situation looks to me. It just makes more sense that way to me than questions pointing to an overnight infection of incompetence.

    #137785
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    Not sure there’s any real rhyme or reason to these things, if we compare other receivers. For instance, Devante Adams netted a 1st and 2nd rounder in a recent trade, and he turns 30 in-season. Is he that much better than Woods? Two high draft picks versus a 6th rounder in 2023?

    More homerism, but I’d rather have Woods than Adams. Same age. And while I don’t know how good Adams is as team guy/presence, all reports are that Woods is fantastic in that realm, plus overall intangibles. Woods is faster too.

    Amari Cooper turns 28 in June, so he’s slightly younger. But I haven’t heard any great things about him as a locker-room paragon. His production has been up and down too.

    Anyway . . . I think this is part of an overall pattern wherein the Rams are willing to trade away high draft picks, but don’t seem to require them in return when they make deals for picks.

    I’d like to see them get better along those lines, or just not make the deals at all.

    #137786
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    the Rams are willing to trade away high draft picks, but don’t seem to require them in return when they make deals for picks.

    Woods at 30 coming off a knee, not as flashily talented as the other receivers you list (objectively he’s just not–his great value beyond being a good steady WR was his intangibles ), with input on where he goes?

    We just differ on this. The trade sounds reasonable to me.  Especially since I am strongly factoring in the whole “Rams do right by him” factor.

    #137789
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    Blaine Grisak@bgrisakDTR
    This is how I felt after the Rams extended Woods in 2020. They drafted Jefferson – needed to pick between Kupp and Woods. Instead…extended both. Woods never played a snap on his contract extension.
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