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  • #143473
    Avatar photozn
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    Rams Brothers@RamsBrothers
    Would really like to see the Rams bridge the gap between rounds 3 and 5/somehow find a way to get another top-100 pick. Perhaps move some of the late round compensatory picks and/or capital from next years draft to do so. Need at least 3 future starters from this draft.
    #143476
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    I know it sounds crazy for any draft, but I think there are more than a dozen immediate or future starters from the above haul.

    Thanks for doing all this and communicating about it.

    You’re welcome. Again, I’m kinda addicted to this stuff.

    Some more notes and observations.

    Am using The Athletic for a lot of my choices, especially Dane Brugler’s recent and seriously comprehensive guide, The Beast. He differs on a lot of players with the composite board at the nfldatabase site, which I use for my amateur GM mocks. If a player appears to be more athletic than a higher ranked guy, and/or Brugler has him higher, I tend to go with that. Height, weight, age are other factors. Good comments about their intangibles as well, which Brugler does here and there. Positional value is important, too, and I try to cover all the Rams’ bases.

    Interesting changes on the composite board, regarding ups and downs. Israel Abanikanda is mostly rising now, after falling a bit — Scouts keep adjusting their boards all the way up to Draft Day, of course. He’s now averaging #108. Jonathan Mingo is no longer in sleeper terrain, slotting in on average at #88. When I first started doing these mocks, roughly a month ago, I could snag him in the 150-160 range.

    Chandler Zavala is another ex-sleeper. Used to be able to nab him in the 6th or 7th round. He’s now often going well before his recent slotting, #131, and Brugler likes him even more. Gives him a 3rd round grade. Another large gap between Brugler and the composite board: Guard Anthony Bradford from LSU. He’s a 3rd to 4th rounder for Brugler, but waay down the composite board at #262. Massive guard/tackle, at 6’4″, 335, who tested exceptionally well at the Combine. Again, size/athleticism, and he’s just 22 later this month. I’d definitely give him a shot . . .

     

     

    #143477
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    Of further interest to me. A coupla articles by Bo Wulf on The Athletic about where the best players come from, per round and school. Mostly what you’d figure, but with some surprises. Round One yields the most best players per position, but not all of them. If I read his graph correctly, looks like running back and guard do best in rounds 2-3.

    Safety, corner, DT, and Edge do better in rounds 4+ than in 2-3, but not as well as the 1st. But that’s with two extra rounds (4,5,6,7, and a lot of comps) — again, if I read the graph correctly. Center is a tie after the 1st.

    Getting well into the weeds: I want to know if there’s a correlation between late round hits and pre-draft rankings. As in, players who were graded much higher, pre-draft, than their eventual selection. Is it the round, or the original assessment, etc. etc.? I’m guessing it’s a mix, but I’d bet a lot of those hits are players who fell, often dramatically, for this or that reason.

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    #143526
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    #143528
    JackPMiller
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    Don’t forget, I posted a mock draft. Hopefully, all of you can talk about it. It’s all NFL teams.

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    #143541
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    #143542
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Final mocks for me before the Draft. A couple. Thought I’d tweak my frequency of trades and their effects. Was being too generous to myself, even though it worked under the rules of the website’s software. Extended the gap between trade-downs, and took less compensation . . . in general, going from the early 100s to the mid-100s instead. The results are much less to my liking  . . . but probably more “realistic,” if the Rams could find willing partners, of course.

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    Jack Campbell
    LB | Iowa LogoIowaTRADE

    74
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    Gervon Dexter
    DL | Florida LogoFloridaTRADE

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    Tyrique Stevenson
    CB | Miami (FL) LogoMiami (FL)TRADE

    133
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    YaYa Diaby
    EDGE | Louisville LogoLouisvilleTRADE

    140
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    Kendre Miller
    RB | TCU LogoTCUTRADE

    149
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    Dorian Williams
    LB | Tulane LogoTulaneTRADE

    150
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    Nick Saldiveri
    OT | Old Dominion LogoOld DominionTRADE

    153
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    Kyu Blu Kelly
    CB | Stanford LogoStanfordTRADE

    167
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    Andrei Iosivas
    WR | Princeton LogoPrinceton

    171
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    Braeden Daniels
    IOL | Utah LogoUtah

    177
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    Brenton Strange
    TE | Penn State LogoPenn State

    182
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    Dorian Thompson-Robinson
    QB | UCLA LogoUCLA

    189
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    Cameron Mitchell
    CB | Northwestern LogoNorthwestern

    191
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    Jay Ward
    S | LSU LogoLSU

    196
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    Anthony Bradford
    IOL | LSU LogoLSUTRADE

    207
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    Dontayvion Wicks
    WR | Virginia LogoVirginiaTRADE

    215
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    Keaton Mitchell
    RB | East Carolina LogoEast CarolinaTRADE

    218
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    Nick Hampton
    EDGE | Appalachian State LogoAppalachian StateTRADE

    223
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    Keondre Coburn
    DL | Texas LogoTexas

    232
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    Carter Warren
    OT | Pittsburgh LogoPittsburghTRADE

    234
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    Bryce Baringer
    P | Michigan State LogoMichigan State

    #143543
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    50
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    Adetomiwa Adebawore
    EDGE | Northwestern LogoNorthwesternTRADE

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    Gervon Dexter
    DL | Florida LogoFlorida

    85
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    Darius Rush
    CB | South Carolina LogoSouth CarolinaTRADE

    135
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    YaYa Diaby
    EDGE | Louisville LogoLouisvilleTRADE

    140
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    Kendre Miller
    RB | TCU LogoTCUTRADE

    147
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    Dorian Williams
    LB | Tulane LogoTulaneTRADE

    149
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    Wanya Morris
    OT | Oklahoma LogoOklahomaTRADE

    152
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    Terell Smith
    CB | Minnesota LogoMinnesotaTRADE

    153
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    Daniel Scott
    S | California LogoCaliforniaTRADE

    156
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    Emil Ekiyor Jr.
    IOL | Alabama LogoAlabamaTRADE

    167
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    Anthony Bradford
    IOL | LSU LogoLSU

    171
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    Juice Scruggs
    IOL | Penn State LogoPenn State

    177
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    Dontayvion Wicks
    WR | Virginia LogoVirginia

    182
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    Marte Mapu
    LB | Sacramento State LogoSacramento State

    189
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    Davis Allen
    TE | Clemson LogoClemson

    191
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    Nick Hampton
    EDGE | Appalachian State LogoAppalachian State

    196
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    Jon Gaines
    IOL | UCLA LogoUCLATRADE

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    Darrell Luter Jr.
    CB | South Alabama LogoSouth AlabamaTRADE

    223
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    Bryce Ford-Wheaton
    WR | West Virginia LogoWest Virginia

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    Cameron Young
    DL | Mississippi State LogoMississippi StateTRADE

    229
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    Rakim Jarrett
    WR | Maryland LogoMarylandTRADE

    234
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    Chamarri Conner
    S | Virginia Tech LogoVirginia Tech

    239
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    Tre Tucker
    WR | Cincinnati LogoCincinnatiTRADE

    #143544
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Something I noticed with the mocks simulators. Lotsa very good players available when the Rams get their first shot at #36. Even if they stick and don’t trade down, they should be able to find three high impact starters before that massive gap after #77. But there will be plenty of surprises even from #167 on, when they have picks again. They could find a coupla starters  (instant or eventual) late, especially at guard, center, TE, a gadget running back like Keaton Mitchell, and/or a stout DT like Cameron Young.

    Should be able to find at least one WR for their rotation late, too. Not so sure about finding good edges late. Doesn’t look likely.

    I do think they should trade down early, though, because the talent is rich enough even in the 100s for them to land several other starters. But they’ll have to strategize carefully. Even with my absurd number of trades, I still couldn’t get all the positions filled I wanted. As in, couldn’t get starting DBs, safeties, edges, a DT, and a first rate running back all together. If I included a wideout early — my favorite being Jonathan Mingo — that took away from somewhere else, etc.

    The Rams will likely end up with a bit more than half the picks I managed in my mocks . . . so they’ll have to play much better chess. We may well have to wait until 2024 for them to fill in quality starters via the Draft and FA.

    #143545
    JackPMiller
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    Shocked no one talked about my draft.

    #143546
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Thought I’d post one more for good luck. This one yields two starters at Edge, DJ Turner falls to them, and they get their Deebo with Mingo. Two eventual starters at guard in Bradford and Daniels, with the latter having strong potential at tackle as well. Reid is a high ceiling dart throw, with freakish athleticism for tackle. Pappoe brings them incredible speed at linebacker (4.39), and I got ’em two solid QB backups, with Thompson-Robinson having solid upside as eventual starter. Fastest velocity among all the tested QBs this year (62mph).

    Cam Mitchell should be able to start next to Turner, and Durant can move to nickel.

    Strong draft, IMO.

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    Felix Anudike-Uzomah
    EDGE | Kansas State LogoKansas StateTRADE

    74
    D.J. Turner
    CB | Michigan LogoMichiganTRADE

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    Jonathan Mingo
    WR | Mississippi LogoMississippiTRADE

    135
    Isaiah McGuire
    EDGE | Missouri LogoMissouriTRADE

    142
    Colby Wooden
    DL | Auburn LogoAuburnTRADE

    147
    Braeden Daniels
    IOL | Utah LogoUtahTRADE

    151
    DeWayne McBride
    RB | UAB LogoUABTRADE

    152
    Owen Pappoe
    LB | Auburn LogoAuburnTRADE

    167
    Anthony Bradford
    IOL | LSU LogoLSU

    171
    Cameron Mitchell
    CB | Northwestern LogoNorthwestern

    177
    Dorian Thompson-Robinson
    QB | UCLA LogoUCLA

    182
    Clayton Tune
    QB | Houston LogoHouston

    189
    Keaton Mitchell
    RB | East Carolina LogoEast Carolina

    191
    Terell Smith
    CB | Minnesota LogoMinnesota

    198
    Dontayvion Wicks
    WR | Virginia LogoVirginiaTRADE

    223
    Jerrod Clark
    DL | Coastal Carolina LogoCoastal Carolina

    228
    Payne Durham
    TE | Purdue LogoPurdueTRADE

    234
    Jason Taylor II
    S | Oklahoma State LogoOklahoma State

    237
    Trevor Reid
    OT | Louisville LogoLouisvilleTRADE

    245
    B.J. Thompson
    EDGE | Stephen F. Austin LogoStephen F. AustinTRADE

    #143553
    Avatar photoZooey
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