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  • #52698
    bnw
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    As Zooey noted upthread:

    This particular protest was about building a pipeline which would destroy water supplies in this particular place. While it has larger environmental ramifications, it was specific in its intentions. It wasn’t about the use of fossil fuels more broadly. It was about building a pipeline in that place, now, and the destruction of water.

    There is no “hypocrisy” involved in this case, unless the protesters built pipelines elsewhere. If they have built them on someone else’s land, and this destroyed water, and they had been okay with that — as in, someone else’s water — yeah, it’s hypocritical to raise a protest when it happens to them.

    But that’s not what happened. And while everyone really knows that the accusation of hypocrisy is just another lame, tired old right-wing tactic to prevent positive social, economic and environmental change, it doesn’t even remotely apply here. It never does, when launched by righties, which is why the protesters ignored the accusations, as they should.

    No one’s buying it. No intelligent human being is going to care about desperate right-wing attempts to prevent critically necessary social, economic and environmental change.

    Provide proof it will destroy water supplies in that area! Total BS!

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    #52708
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    Ostriching?

    Is Trump a hypocrite?

    Yes or no.

    Everyone can change their mind. What matters are ones subsequent actions.

    So, no, Trump’s hypocrisy doesn’t bother you. You just spin it differently. Because he hasn’t “changed his mind.” He is playing both sides of those issues.

    Not at all. I stand by what I wrote.

    I am sure you do.

    #52716
    TSRF
    Participant

    Provide proof it will destroy water supplies in that area! Total BS!

    https://thinkprogress.org/oil-leak-from-keystone-pipeline-89-times-worse-than-originally-thought-c558e125de05#.cbr5mo560

    Oil Leak From Keystone Pipeline 89 Times Worse Than Originally Thought

    CREDIT: AP PHOTO/NATI HARNIK
    Nearly a week after pipeline operator TransCanada shut down a section of its Keystone line over an oil leak, the company reported Thursday thousands of gallons of oil were spilled, not less than 200 as it first said.
    Based on soil excavations, TransCanada said about 16,800 gallons of oil leaked onto a field in South Dakota, the Associated Press reported. After the leak was discovered Saturday and the line was shut, TransCanada said about 187 gallons of crude oil had spilled, an accident that environmental groups said shows the dangers of shipping oil by pipeline. Though the spill is larger than first thought, it poses no significant environmental effects or threats to public safety, the AP said. However, Keystone transports Canadian tar sands oil, which is more difficult to clean than conventional oil.
    The company behind the rejected Keystone XL line has yet to reveal what caused the leak, but it said the spill is being controlled, and reported the new estimates to the National Response Center and the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Administration. The pipeline is part of the existing Keystone network that the proposed Keystone XL pipeline would have expanded. It runs from Alberta, Canada, to refineries in Illinois and Oklahoma via the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, and Missouri. TransCanada said the pipeline won’t be fully operational until early next week. So far some 100 workers are at the site, located about four miles from Hutchinson County.
    Misreported leak volumes often occur following oil spills as companies investigate accidents and discover oil seeped deeper in the ground or waterways than they first thought. Revised figures are at times much larger than first reported. In 2014, for instance, an oil spill in North Dakota was first reported to have caused a loss of 750 barrels of oil, a figure that climbed to about 20,600 barrels once the soil was further investigated.
    TransCanada Announces It Will Sue U.S. Over Keystone XL Denial

    Climate by CREDIT: AP Photo/Evan Vucci TransCanada, the company behind the Keystone XL pipeline, announced Wednesday it…
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    After the spill was reported earlier this week, environmental groups said Keystone’s spill proves the threat that the Keystone XL expansion would have posed. They also noted that the Keystone pipeline, approved by President George W. Bush in 2008, leaked oil 12 times in its first year of operation. “TransCanada’s Keystone I disaster is a stark reminder that it’s not a question if a pipeline will malfunction, but rather a question of when. This is one of the reasons President Obama rejected the Keystone XL pipeline and it’s why he should reject all dangerous fossil fuel pipeline proposals,” Sierra Club’s Executive Director Michael Brune said in a statement.
    Oil transportation largely relies on trains and pipelines. Out of those two, pipelines spill more often than trains, yet train accidents can be deadlier as trains are more likely to explode. U.S. pipelines spilled three times as much crude oil as trains over the period of 2004 to 2012, according to an International Energy Agency study. And last year, the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration reported 314 “significant” incidents causing damages of more than $305 million, and 10 fatalities.
    Despite opposition from environmentalists and mounting leaks, TransCanada is determined to expand its system and refuses to shelve Keystone XL, as it has challenged Obama’s decision under the North American Free Trade Agreement in federal U.S. court.
    ClimateKeystone XlPipelineSouth Dakota

    I would think 16,800 gallons of crude could poison ground water, no?

    Pipelines leak, it is a fact. The oil bastards would rather pay the clean ups when they have to than to properly maintain them.

    #52729
    bnw
    Blocked

    17,000 gallons is a SMALL leak. The pipeline is not endangering water supplies. Have you ever looked at a map of pipelines traversing the continental US? There’s over 55,000 MILES of crude oil pipelines in the US. Those pipelines range in size from 8 to 24 inches in diameter. Thats just crude oil pipelines. Many more pipelines than that. You live in CT? Take a look at the NPMS site to see what pipelines run through your county.

    https://www.npms.phmsa.dot.gov/PublicViewer/

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    #52745
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
    Participant

    Well if it doesn’t endanger their water supply why did they reroute it from going under Bismark’s water supply to going under Standing Rock’s water supply? Hmmm, seems your search for hypocrisy has taken a turn.

    #52751
    bnw
    Blocked

    Well if it doesn’t endanger their water supply why did they reroute it from going under Bismark’s water supply to going under Standing Rock’s water supply? Hmmm, seems your search for hypocrisy has taken a turn.

    NIMBY pollytix. Again theres over 55,000 MILES of just crude oil pipelines in the US.

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    #53085
    Avatar photoBilly_T
    Participant

    Shailene Woodley was on Seth Meyers last night, and discussed the Native American resistance to this pipeline running through their sovereign lands. She’s a pretty sharp young woman. Bernie was on the show as well.

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