Marc Trestman for Rams OC in 2015

GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

The man is a genius offensive mind. He simply had a coach killer at QB.

I think the Rams could do worse things then replace Schotty with Trestman.

Grits

I don’t think they are going to replace Schott. I actually agree with them on that. I think Schott is solid–I don’t think he’s an issue. I think the issues we see on offense have to do with personnel, injuries, and execution.

GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

I think your partially right ZN. But Schotty is not going to make anyone forget Mike Martz or Sid Gilman as a play caller. I don’t think he knows how to utilize the talent he has in Austin and Bailey etc.

I hope they replace him. He’s had three years to show what he has as a play caller. And even executing the plays still comes down to coaching.

Grits

We just disagree. Way I see it, I think he’s very solid and I actually had issues with Martz. I think he does know how to utilize talent. I think it’s the learning curve issue with those players. And no not all execution issues come down to coaching.

GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

I think this is kind of like just after the 1998 season and the Rams were about to can Dick Vermeil. They forced him to make changes to his staff and to bring in Martz as the OC. I think Fisher is only fooling himself if he thinks the offense will be any better next season with Schottenheimer. There are at least 4 guys who are OCs that are better than Schottenheimer, and they are available. Trestman, Chudzinski, Mike Shanahan, Mike Martz

I would not bet that any of the four would accept an OC job which would say they are not available. And Martz would not at all fit in with the Rams. He has a very large ego problem and cannot get along with anyone. He would not follow orders. I would not like his baggage at all.

GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

I think this is kind of like just after the 1998 season and the Rams were about to can Dick Vermeil. They forced him to make changes to his staff and to bring in Martz as the OC. I think Fisher is only fooling himself if he thinks the offense will be any better next season with Schottenheimer. There are at least 4 guys who are OCs that are better than Schottenheimer, and they are available. Trestman, Chudzinski, Mike Shanahan, Mike Martz.

Grits

Problem is, if the owner tells Fisher to make changes, Fisher may say “take this job and shove it,” or something like that. If Fisher would be let go, he would take his talents to Oakland or Chicago.

• This reply was modified 9 years, 11 months ago by JackPMiller.

I don’t understand what people genuinely expect from Schotty. I thought they were pretty darn creative on offense with what they had to work with. I saw plenty of motion, diversity, creativity, and effective play-calling this year. What I didn’t see is an offensive line that could consistently open up holes, or hold off blitzes in critical down and distances. And I saw a QB who was gutsy and a game, but severely limited who couldn’t make plays downfield or stand tall in the pocket and throw darts to receivers downfield. Not his fault, but that doesn’t fall on the Offensive Coordinator.

Play-calling is a fans’ panacea. You never hear the players or the coaches talk about play-calling. Its about beating the man in front of you, you don’t trick people too often in this league. Schotty is plenty creative enough to get the job done – he just needs a few more pieces. Plus, you have to remember the Rams play six games against Top 5 defenses just in their division alone. Nobody is going to come in here and start putting up 30 point games consistently in this division for a while. And Marc Trestman’s Bears scored 15, 14, and 9 in their last three games (with superior offensive talent). Where was the brilliant play-calling there?

Here’s the knock on Schotty.

His offense is brittle. It needs EVERYTHING and EVERYONE to be on point or it doesn’t work.

Not every offense is like that. It’s like going into a battle with a rifle that needs to be perfectly cleaned and oiled and requiring perfectly loaded ammo and to then be held perfectly in order to even have a chance to be accurate. Otherwise, it hasn’t a chance to hit the broadside of a barn. Well, that’s Schotty’s offense. It CAN work and sometimes DOES work, but in the muck and mire of battle, things get messy… and his offense doesn’t allow for messy. Hell, the sight adjustments alone have accounted for more pick-6s against us than some other team’s TOTAL TDs given up as an offense. It’s ridiculous.

And this draft had FOUR WRs who’ve had awesome years… NONE of them would have done dick in this offense. Why? Because the sight adjustments and overly complicated nature of it stymies WR development. Actually, I can’t think of ONE WR who’s flourished in this offense. Granted, it’s more of a running offense, but EVERY offense needs to be able to DEVELOP players at every position.

And this one FAILS to develop WRs. Badly.

Seriously, name me another team that HAS to wait 3 years on WRs to even start to judge? It’s one thing to say that guys don’t become complete until year 3… but this offense can make or break a WR totally and completely due to its complexity… some of it needless and counterproductive.

Here’s my TL;dr take: when an offense can’t integrate talent because it’s too rigid, then it’s already failed. Joe Gibb’s offense (a Coryell variant) was very run heavy, but based on a passing offense. He adjusted to his team, climate, division and a host of other factors to ensure their success. Schotty and Fisher aren’t doing that. Years are going by while we wait on Tavon Austin to integrate into Schotty’s offense.

Fucking WHY? If Tavon Austin were in Pittsburgh, he’d already be a 2k all around weapon. They’d be using him to do everything, but sell popcorn. If he were in Seattle, we would all be WISHING we’d taken him because Pete Carroll would make sure TA would be the bane of our existence…

Lastly, and maybe this is personal… but this offense just doesn’t ask the QB to hit receivers in stride other than the TE down the seem or the super rare fly down the sideline. Where are the slants? Where are the crossing patterns? Why can’t or won’t Schotty call pass plays that allow for run after the catch?

At its best, the Schotty offense with everyone at their best performing at their best… is a MIDDLING offense. It’s NOT a top 10 offense. Not over the course of a season. Over the stretch of a few games, maybe, but not a whole season. And that’s pegging the needle… with no injuries…and 100% execution… which happens in no universe in the multiverse. And that means that the Schotty offense is just NOT likely going to get us into the top half of NFL offenses.

And to my mind, with all the talent we have… that’s just inexcusable. I don’t care if we have the greatest D to ever play the game. We have too much talent on O to be floundering like we are, to make the mistakes that we make, to have the poor calls made over and over and over again.

Either we start over with the talent (which I think would be a massive mistake) because they just can’t consistently execute OR it’s a matter of coaching and the coaches need to go.

It’s one or the other.

And considering there’s also structural issues with this offense, I’m for moving on to better coaches…

Jmho, ymmv