Hawkeye, the Marvel series on Disney Plus

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December 4, 2021 at 1:36 am #134324

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zn wrote:

A darkly humorous moment from the Marvel series “Hawkeye.” You have to know the Marvel films to get the joke. This is Hawkeye at a urinal in New York.

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Zn,

As for the Marvel meme. It’s funny because Thanos wiped out half of humanity?

Btw, got Disney+ on a special deal. Two dollars for the first month. Have now completed all the main live-action Marvel shows — I think. Loki, Wandavision, Falcon and the Snowman, I mean Winter Soldier. And am up to date with Hawkeye. Enjoyed Loki the most, followed closely by Falcon/WS, with a mixed take on Wandavision. Didn’t like the sitcom premise to start things out, but it picked up with the last few episodes, IMO. Not a big fan of the Hawkeye series so far, as I think Renner drags things down, and they’re misusing the usually wonderful Steinfeld. I don’t know the comics regarding her character, but they’re making her more purposely annoying than super-hero-in-training. But episode three offers up some intriguing possibilities.

Your take?

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Billy_T wrote:

It’s funny because Thanos wiped out half of humanity?

No it’s darkly funny because one of the heroes who fought and defeated Thanos and restored the people Thanos snapped out of existence, has to read graffiti applauding what Thanos did. It’s like, no matter what you do not everyone is happy.

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Billy_T wrote:

ot a big fan of the Hawkeye series so far, as I think Renner drags things down, a

I like Hawkeye. Personally, I like how Renner is doing it. Remember part of the plot is that Hawkeye was Ronin. So he is coping with his own dark past while also dealing with an earnest, eager young protege. But of course this is all a matter of taste.

I liked Loki too. A lot, in fact. I haven’t see the others.

December 4, 2021 at 1:36 am #134325

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I moved this from another thread where it was starting to take up “digression space.”

December 4, 2021 at 11:58 pm #134353

zn
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I was looking forward to a nice discussion of Hawkeye.

Once again, I am a broken and disppointed man.

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December 5, 2021 at 9:28 am #134360

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Well, ya see . . .

So far, I think it’s missing the best of Marvel elements: myth. I’m partial to Asian geography in that case, because of the obvious martial arts aspects. But it can be anywhere. Then again, Marvel doesn’t always make that work so well, with, perhaps, the best (worst) example being the Iron Fist series. In 2021, it’s very difficult to stick the landing, culturally. Movies like Shang-Chi, which I really liked, except for the kinda lame dragons, don’t have to go through so many potential gauntlets to just be themselves.

If memory serves, Hawkeye as Rodin has the geography, but not really the cool origin myth. Maybe memory doesn’t serve.

I’m willing to listen to alternative views, but I wish Marvel had chosen Black Widow to survive Endgame instead of Hawkeye.

(I haven’t kept up with the comics themselves since I was a kid, so I don’t know how far the movies and series veer away from them . . .)

December 5, 2021 at 10:40 am #134361

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Kinda side-note:

I think you’d enjoy Falcon and the Winter Soldier. As mentioned, it’s a very close second to Loki for me. Which makes me think of yet another point:

IMO, Marvel can be a bit schizoid when it comes to audience. Who are they really trying to reach? Kids of all ages, or actual kids. Nostalgia for, or recent discovery of. Sometimes it’s obvious. Sometimes it isn’t. But, for me, the Falcon/WS series seems more “serious.” Hawkeye, so far, seems like it hasn’t made up its mind regarding its audience.

Just a guess, but the rebirth of Marvel via the movies was likely powered by Boomer nostalgia, mostly. The first wave, anyway. But Disney has always been more geared toward raising new generations (youngins) on its content. With its recent acquisitions, audience selection is likely even more confusing. How to merge the two, or three, or four. Can it be done in the same movie or series? Or will they just segregate each to each, etc.

I’m partial to the more “serious” visions — which may seem absurd when it comes to comic book adaptations. But I get that they want to bring in Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers and the whole deal. Seems like an impossible task, though. IMO, Daredevil on Netflix is an example of it working.

December 8, 2021 at 12:42 pm #134469

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Episode 4 unfortunately languished too much on minor things and had too many minor lapses.

But I do consider the series to be good overall.

December 8, 2021 at 7:29 pm #134479

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Spoilers ahead, for those who want to watch the series but haven’t.

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I liked the introduction of the new Black Widow from the movie, and, before that, Kate’s attempt to help Hawkeye have a decent holiday time away from his family. Obviously, quite the contrast. But it worked for me. Knowing why BW wants to kill Hawkeye is key.

Still not exactly sure about the timeline, though. Don’t know if he’s missing Christmas with his family or if he’s about to. One of those “Be home in time for Xmas” dilemmas, etc. Seemed like the last two Avengers movies, using much less time, established a better connection between Hawkeye and his family. The series hasn’t utilized that yet, IMO.

Anyway, decent fight scenes, but a little bit dark. As in, not enough lighting, perhaps borrowed from GOT. Overall, seems to need a lot of fleshing out to rev up the intrigue. Doesn’t pull me in as quickly as Loki or Falcon/WS.

Still hoping they resurrect Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones.

December 9, 2021 at 5:06 am #134488

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Billy_T wrote:

I liked the introduction of the new Black Widow from the movie, and, before that, Kate’s attempt to help Hawkeye have a decent holiday time away from his family. Obviously, quite the contrast. But it worked for me. Knowing why BW wants to kill Hawkeye is key.

Some more details.

I think Vera Farmiga, who plays Kate’s mother (Eleanor) is a tremendous actress.

Notice that in one scene in Kate’s aunt’s apartment, Clint is drinking from a coffee cup which says “Thanos was right” on it.

The woman who plays Maya aka Echo is Alaqua Cox. The character Maya is of course a Native American and deaf, so she signs prolifically. Well Alaqua Cox is actually a deaf Native American. “Hawkeye” is her first acting gig ever. What a find she is, she totally steals the camera when she’s in a scene. Clip below.

It is interesting that the blonde Black Widow, Yelena, seems to know who Kate is and spares her. She even non-verbally communicates with her. So Yelena appears to know who Kate is and we don’t know yet, of course, how or why that is. Clip below.
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