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Rams Film Room: Jared Goff’s outstanding game overlooked in loss

Rams Film Room: Jared Goff's outstanding game overlooked in loss

from QB Tiers revisited: Risers, fallers and question marks

Mike Sando

http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/25245223/nfl-revisiting-tier-grading-system-nfl-quarterbacks-patrick-mahomes-jared-goff-derek-carr-dak-prescott

LOS ANGELES — Jared Goff stepped up in the pocket Sunday and delivered an accurate pass over the middle for a 35-yard gain on third-and-15.

It was exactly the type of play coaches and evaluators around the NFL want to see the Los Angeles Rams’ third-year starter make as a rite of passage into the upper tiers of the quarterback world.

Goff, whose two touchdown passes helped the Rams hold off the Seattle Seahawks, will take center stage with the Kansas City Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes on Monday Night Football in Week 11. The matchup will feature the two quarterbacks rising the fastest since my 2018 QB Tiers survey was published over the summer.

Ten general managers, five head coaches, 10 coordinators, 10 senior personnel executives, five QB coaches and 10 other coaches/execs comprised the 50-man panel. I re-polled five voters in recent days to see which quarterbacks were rising, falling or simply the most interesting in their eyes. Results and insights follow, but first, a quick refresher on each tier.

Tier 1: Can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations.

Tier 2: Can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.

Tier 3: A legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defense to win. A lower-volume passing offense makes his job easier.

Tier 4: Could be an unproven player with some upside or a veteran who is ultimately best suited as a backup.

Tier 5: Should not start under any circumstances.

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Risers

Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs

2018 Tier: 4

Projected 2019 Tier: 1-2

When I asked one QB Tiers voters to update his offseason ballot, he sent back a screenshot of our conversation from the summer.

“I need to reiterate,” this message from June emphasized, “I really wanted to make Mahomes a 2, but by criteria, he is a 4.”

The fourth tier has been reserved for quarterbacks who either shouldn’t be starting for a full season or haven’t played enough for anyone to realistically evaluate them. Mahomes had made only one start, so voters placed him into the fourth tier as a matter of procedure. I probably should have excluded him from the survey to avoid confusion, but we wanted to have every team in the league represented.

Some voters thought before the season that Mahomes would produce at a high level, but no one predicted he would have anything close to 29 touchdown passes, a 9.2-yard average per attempt, a 116.7 passer rating and 85.1 Total QBR through nine games. Even voters who loved Mahomes thought he might throw too many interceptions this season. One said he thought Kansas City would initially miss having steady veteran Alex Smith. Not the case, obviously.

“You always want to see more,” a voter said over the weekend, “but you go to his game at New England and you see more. You see him trading score for score with one of the greatest players to ever play. Not bad. He makes plays on schedule, makes plays off schedule, commands the offense. He just has to keep doing it, and he has to have the comeback wins.”

Mahomes led a comeback victory at Denver. He has played so well to this point that Kansas City hasn’t needed many comebacks.

“He is playing like a one,” another voter said. “I knew he was going to be great, but I didn’t know he was going to be this great this early. He is pretty special. I think he is Aaron Rodgers with a [warmer] personality. He makes the same throws. There are only a couple guys that can do it with accuracy and velocity from any arm slot.”

Just as there is the Sean McVay factor with Goff, there is the Andy Reid factor with Mahomes. And the Kareem Hunt factor, the Tyreek Hill factor, the Sammy Watkins factor, the Travis Kelce factor, etc.

“Reid’s offense is quarterback-friendly, and they get a good visual before letting it go,” another voter said. “When [Donovan] McNabb left him, McNabb all of a sudden couldn’t play quarterback in the NFL. You know what, though? You can go ahead and make Mahomes a one. I think he’s like [Brett] Favre. They have that mentality, the short memory. The other thing I really like about Mahomes — and obviously they are 8-1 [now 9-1], so that helps — the guy is having fun. The kid is spinning it all over the field, and he has a big smile on his face.”

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Jared Goff, Los Angeles Rams

2018 Tier: 3

Projected 2019 Tier: 2

Goff has picked up where he left off last season, which is what some QB Tiers voters wanted to see before pushing him into the second tier.

“I don’t want to compare him to Hall of Fame guys, but sometimes you see him Joe Montana-ish with his placement, accuracy and just putting the ball where it needs to go,” one evaluator said. “For the Rams, it is all tied in with the coach, the runner playing as well as he is playing and then having that accurate quarterback.”

Evaluating Goff as a rookie in 2016 required adjusting for a worst-case scenario in terms of all-around support. Evaluating Goff now requires adjusting for the perfect situation. How would he perform if everything around him were average? The Rams have no way of knowing, and no plans to find out, although rewarding quarterbacks with expensive second contracts is usually a sure way to find out, given the drain it puts on other resources.

For now, Goff will be making the best of a great situation.

“Their run game ties to their pass game, so when he is making these throws, they are very accurate, but he is getting them with some big windows because of that run game,” another voter said.

All agreed that next frontier for Goff is demonstrating over time an ability to thrive on third down and when the Rams are trailing.

“It is a perfect marriage between quarterback and playcaller,” another voter said. “That is the most important relationship in any NFL building. It is even more powerful when the playcaller is the head coach. You can put Goff as a solid two. I have not seen enough come-from-behind work. It is a process. You work on that area, you have a chance to become a one.”

zn wrote:

All agreed that next frontier for Goff is demonstrating over time an ability to thrive on third down and when the Rams are trailing.

ok. so i’m curious as to how he is on third down and when the rams are trailing.

here are the stats from 2018

when trailing – 122.2 passer rating and 9.4 ypa

when trailing with less than 4 minutes to go – 39.6 and 2 ypa

on the trailing with less than 4 minutes to go. there’s just not enough evidence. it’s on 4 attempts.

3rd down – 89.9 passer rating and 8.7 ypa

3rd down and 4-6 – 61.3 and 10.8 ypa

3rd down and 7-9 – 114.1 and 9.1 ypa

3rd down and 10+ – 83.7 and 9.6 ypa

on third down his problem seems to be interceptions. i don’t know if he’s trying to force things or what. but third down is definitely a problem.

also. compare this to a guy like drew brees. brees is vastly superior. this season anyway. but goff definitely has areas to work on.

i should also say i looked up mahomes, and he outperforms goff. by a lot. mahomes is a different animal though. goff is no mahomes. but i still think he can be quite good if he continues to develop.

jrry32

Some interesting numbers:

In 10 starts this year, Goff has 7 games with a passer rating of 108 or higher. He only has 1 start with a passer rating below 88 (Denver).

Looking at Goff’s past 18 starts (10 starts this year + final 8 starts of last year), he has 41 TDs to 9 Ints and a passer rating of 111.4. The Rams are 15-3 in those games.

In those 18 starts, we’ve played Seattle three times; Minnesota and New Orleans twice each; and Philly, Tennessee, the Chargers, and Packers once each. Basically, 11 of the 18 games came against legitimate opponents. In those 11 games, Goff has 27 TDs to 6 Ints (per 16 games, that’s 39 TDs to 9 Ints).

so jared goff went against. well not directly against. but went against teams quarterbacked by aaron rodger followed by drew brees followed by russell wilson and topped it all off with patrick mahomes.

his numbers during that 4 game stretch.

163 attempts
106 completions
65.03 completion percentage
8.69 ypa
12 tds
1 int
114.5 passer rating

those 4 qbs combined during that 4 game stretch
138 attempts
93 completions
67.39 completion percentage
9.32 ypa
14 tds
3 int
121.8 passer rating

not bad.

InvaderRam wrote:

more importantly he went 3-1 during that stretch.

Good info.

Now and then Goff just has his “goof” throws.

It’s weird that he does THAT and yet also just doesn’t throw INTs. His. 1.6% INT percentage is the lowest by a Rams qb, since, I think–ever.

So he throws 2 kinds of passes.

Freakily accurate “balls with eyes” thrown with uncanny anticipation and ball placement.

Passes that don’t go near anyone, friend or foe.

(That’s not entirely true, he has dodged an INT or 2, but the above was fun to say, and even partly true.)

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wv wrote:

I wonder what we’d be sayin, if’n that Chief CB had held onto the INT at the end of the game?

Itz a game of inches.

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Would you trade Reynolds getting his 2nd toe inbounds for the TD, for the INT by Scandrick? I would since I am confident that would have just led to Donald strip sack 3.

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