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April 30, 2016 at 12:43 pm #42949znModerator
ag had the right idea but then took it down
so I revive it, a long day 3 thread is a fun idea
good thinking ag, this thread is in your honor
April 30, 2016 at 12:46 pm #42943AgamemnonParticipantrams 1st 4th round pick…tyler higbee TE
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/tyler-higbee?id=2555364
Western Kentucky has had a bit of a run at the tight end position the past few years, with Jack Doyle drafted by the Colts in 2013 and Mitchell Henry getting his shot with multiple teams last summer. Higbee could be the best of the trio. The converted receiver added weight to his frame and when given the chance to show his stuff against Marshall as a junior, made six catches for 99 yards and three scores. He built on that in 2015, teaming up with two-time Conference USA MVP to put up some of the best numbers for any tight end in the country (38-563, eight TD) despite missing five-plus games with a knee injury.
Pro Day Results
Bench: 18 reps of 225 pounds
Analysis
Strengths Former wide receiver with a smooth, wide-open gait when he hits top gear. Has big hands. Had just one drop this season and showed ability to recover the catch when he juggled a throw. Becomes a body catcher who can protect the ball in traffic. Willing to work middle of the field and take hits. Quick and slippery off line of scrimmage and into routes. Very good acceleration out of his breaks and can be a tough cover for safeties. Has the speed and toughness to work all three levels of the field. Can own the Y-seam with his vertical speed and hands. Immediately opens and looks for expedited throws when he’s over the top of inside linebackers. Has frame for more muscle mass. Extremely competitive after the catch with speed, elusiveness and decent power. Can carry body tacklers after the catch.
Weaknesses Still has work to do filling out his frame. Slow to adjust to blocking assignment during flow of play. Not powerful enough yet to handle NFL edge power as inline blocker. Doesn’t run feet through block to sustain. Upright into his breaks. Needs route polish for underneath routes. Can get better at creating additional leverage through crisper routes. Suffered through a knee sprain that cost him four games before re-aggravating it in Conference USA Championship Game. Missed his bowl game and expected to miss Senior Bowl because of it.
Draft Projection Round 4
NFL Comparison Jordan Cameron
Bottom Line Knee injury basically took six games away from him this season which could cause him to fly under the radar a little bit. Higbee has exciting athleticism and speed in the open field with the ability to separate from safeties on intermediate routes and threaten the deep middle. Higbee has soft, reliable hands and plus run-after-catch ability to finish plays. While he needs to beef up his frame and blocking ability, there is no doubting his pass catching talent.Good pass catcher. I don’t think he has been tasered.
April 30, 2016 at 12:48 pm #42944PA RamParticipantSome legal issues.
Jeremiah says 3rd best tight end in the draft.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
April 30, 2016 at 12:51 pm #42945InvaderRamModeratoryeah legal issues stemming from some bar fight he got into. pleading not guilty but also not his first run-in with the law. he might be stupid.
April 30, 2016 at 12:58 pm #42950AgamemnonParticipantRams get picks 117 and 206 from the Bears in trade. No. 206 is a late sixth-round choice. #LAPick
— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 30, 2016
April 30, 2016 at 12:58 pm #42951ZooeyModeratorag had the right idea but then took it down
so I revive it, a long day 3 thread is a fun idea
Rams get 117 and 206 for trade with Chicago.
April 30, 2016 at 1:00 pm #42957AgamemnonParticipantApril 30, 2016 at 1:06 pm #42960PA RamParticipantMayock says Cooper didn’t run fast but likes him. High school QB. Ideal slot receiver. Tape better than tested. Just makes plays. Lines up all over the place.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
April 30, 2016 at 1:07 pm #42964PA RamParticipantSo they get a tight end and wide receiver. I like it. Goff needs weapons.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
April 30, 2016 at 1:07 pm #42966AgamemnonParticipanthttp://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/pharoh-cooper?id=2555419
Pharoh Cooper
Overview
Many college football players are lacking in discipline, driving their coaches crazy. Cooper does not have that problem, as he grew up in a military family — his grandfather and father were Marines, and his brother is a Marine. After winning back-to-back state high school titles in North Carolina, Cooper used his maturity to get on the field right away for the Gamecocks, receiving Freshman All-SEC honors as an all-purpose back and returner (359 kick return yards). Once given a chance to receive regular touches on offense, Cooper excelled, garnering consensus first team all-conference recognition as a receiver in 2014 (69-1,136, 11 TD) and second team honors as an all-purpose back (200 rushing yards, two scores). His production dipped a bit in 2015 (66-973, nine TD), but South Carolina’s offense struggled in many ways this season. SEC coaches still named him first team all-conference receiver and all-purpose player for his efforts.
Pro Day Results
40-yard dash: 4.63 seconds
Vertical: 30 1/2 inches
Broad jump: 9 feet, 10 inches
Short shuttle: 4.26 seconds
3-cone: 7.15 seconds
Bench: 19 reps of 225 pounds
Analysis
Strengths Short but compact and strong. Especially fast with first three steps off the line. Reaches top speed almost instantly. Should blaze his 10-yard split at combine. Operates with excellent balance and body control at all times. Staccato footwork and seamless change of direction out of breaks opens early passing window. Will break off route and improvise to free space when route is compromised by coverage underneath it. Competitiveness ramps as soon as he hits the grass. Has burst to steam past safety if cornerback takes bad angle on his slants. Strength to play through contact in his routes. Stutter-go release near goal line is difficult to stop.
Weaknesses Has neither height nor length for desired catch radius. Was unable to reach big-play throws downfield. Contested catches became a chore. Battled focus and concentration drops at one point. Hip tightness creates rounded routes and limited wiggle after catch. The more wrinkles in the route, the less effective Cooper becomes. Relies on straight line quickness over speed or agility in open field. Limited route exposure while at South Carolina.
Draft Projection Round 3
Sources Tell Us “He’s a good player. Scouts can’t worry about how a player like Cooper is going to be used because that is the OC’s job. Our job is to find good football players. He’s a good football player.” — NFC South scout
NFL Comparison Josh Reed
Bottom Line Amidst turbulent offensive times at South Carolina, Cooper has been a rock with consistent production in all areas of the field. While I see Cooper as slightly limited as a pro due to his reliance on straight-line acceleration and scheme fit, NFL personnel men seem to love his playmaking ability and competitive nature.A NE WR for Brady. 😉
April 30, 2016 at 1:09 pm #42967MaddyParticipantCBS gave the Cooper pick an instant A+
April 30, 2016 at 1:09 pm #42968znModeratorCooper & Higbee were both on a lot of guys “top players left on day 3” lists
April 30, 2016 at 1:09 pm #42969AgamemnonParticipantRams simply doing what had to be done early on day 3 here. No surprise they got two pass catchers with first two picks. #LAPick
— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 30, 2016
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April 30, 2016 at 1:12 pm #42970znModeratoryeah legal issues stemming from some bar fight he got into.
Good, cause with Cook gone, they need a TE who can assault the quarterback
April 30, 2016 at 1:17 pm #42973AgamemnonParticipantCooper had 66 catches for 973 yards and 8 TDs last season at South Carolina; he's 5-11, 203.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) April 30, 2016
Now, trade Foles to Dallas or KC. Cause the already lost out twice. Once for Lynch and once for Cook. 😉
April 30, 2016 at 1:23 pm #42978AgamemnonParticipantApril 30, 2016 at 1:23 pm #42979InvaderRamModeratorthe more i read about higbee the more i realize how much i don’t know about college football and the draft! haha!
sounds like a good pick from a football standpoint. possible first or second round talent in the fourth. i see comparisons to ladarius green and rob gronkowski. wow.
from a character standpoint i hope this guy isn’t a douche.
i understand he was defending his girlfriend’s honor, but he made some dude’s brain hemorrhage. and it’s not like this will be the last time someone gets under his skin.
April 30, 2016 at 1:29 pm #42981AgamemnonParticipantApril 30, 2016 at 1:31 pm #42982znModeratorThis draft and last draft prove it………Fisher hates defense, loves offense
Yeah it’s pretty obvious.
April 30, 2016 at 1:33 pm #42983znModeratorPFF SCOUTING REPORT: PHAROH COOPER, WR, SOUTH CAROLINA
Here is the PFF draft profile for South Carolina’s Pharoh Cooper, which incorporates PFF’s college grades and scouting intel from our team of analysts. To see all of PFF’s 2016 scouting reports, click here.
Position fit:
Slot receiver. 609 of his 764 snaps came from the slot in 2015Stat to know:
Forced 33 missed tackles on 135 receptions between 2014 and 2015What he does best:
• Great in space, 16 missed tackles forced on 66 receptions in 2015
• Very quick feet, a big part of the reason he made so many people miss tackles
• Explosive, possibly an impact player as a returner too. Returned 27 punts in 2014 and 2015, with a long of 24 yards in both seasons
• Best fit may be as a vertical slot receiver where his acceleration and speed will play well against slot corners
• Can also be effective if given the ball on screens, slants, and shallow crosses as his acceleration allows him to get to top speed in a hurryBiggest concern:
• Really struggles against press, poor use of hands to shake free
• Not a typical slot route runner, not as proficient as using the “two-way go” to take advantages of defenders
• Will run some sloppy routes, often lacks the wiggle at the top of his stem
• Not physical at the catch point
• Still fairly raw. Needs to develop all round game if he is going to be more than just good in spacePro style comparison:
Doug Baldwin, Seattle Seahawks. Baldwin can do some damage in the short game, but he separates himself from other slot receivers by making big plays as a vertical threat as well. Cooper can be productive in a similar role.Bottom line:
Cooper is far from the finished product, but as a big-play threat from the slot and a player that can be used as a space player and return specialist, he adds value in the middle rounds.April 30, 2016 at 1:35 pm #42984PA RamParticipantTyler Higbee @Ty_Higs19 18m18 minutes ago
Thanks Mr. Kroenke, @CoachJeffFisher, @kdemoff, Mr. Snead & the entire @RamsNFL organization for this opportunity! Cant wait to get to work!"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
April 30, 2016 at 1:37 pm #42985HerzogParticipantCooper is short and slow…. Not sure I like this pick. But this is day 3 so…..
April 30, 2016 at 1:38 pm #42986znModeratorfrom off the net
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Cooper – he could be a fit for the Rams in the slot. Swiss army knife playmaker.
Higbee – another TE that makes sense. He’s a more all around TE then Adams.
So you get a receiving and blocking TE that can stretch the seam and a slot WR that can do a little of everything to go with TA and Britt. I am liking how the offense is shaping up.
April 30, 2016 at 1:39 pm #42987PA RamParticipantMichael Silver @MikeSilver 27m27 minutes ago
Reaction of new Rams QB Jared Goff, via text, upon being told the team drafted South Carolina WR Pharoah Cooper in 4th round: ‘Yes!’"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
April 30, 2016 at 1:39 pm #42988znModeratorCooper is short and slow…. Not sure I like this pick. But this is day 3 so…..
People who watched him love him. He’s also quick. And tough. A slot receiver. Kind of a more physical Amendola.
Many good analysts see him as very good value for day 3.
April 30, 2016 at 1:44 pm #42990znModeratorfrom off the net
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RockRam
Higbee could be a tremendous pick up. Tough guy. All of 6’6″. Showed up at the combine at 249.
big (10 1/4 inch) soft hands that catches everything thrown at him.
He was recruited and played as a WR (that explains his catching ability). But then grew into a TE.
Blocking is not terrible, seems to have “want to”, just needs technique work.
Great size….wow. Exactly what the doctor ordered. We have 3 TEs who can block the daylights out of you. We needed a TE who plays like a WR and is a true pass catching threat. Clearly Higbee is. Every professional report I read said he’ll be too much for most of the Safeties in the league.
April 30, 2016 at 1:58 pm #42994znModeratorfrom off the net…expanded, updated, posted again
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jrry32
Watched Cooper throughout his SC career. He’s a stud. Small (5’11” 205) and didn’t test well but uber competitive, makes plays all day, and is a tough SOB. Wins in traffic. Not afraid to take a huge hit to catch the ball. Plays fast. Very good YAC skills.
I think Cooper will be a productive slot guy for us once he gets NFL routes downs. He’s every cliche you hear about slot guys. Blue collar, tough SOB, lunch pail, deceptive speed (gets up to speed very quickly), and no quit.
Very strong guy. Great work ethic. Comes from a family of Marines.
He’s a playmaker.
Here’s a stat for all of you, Cooper had 973 yards in 2015. South Carolina’s #2 WR had around 160 yards.(Jerell Adams, their TE, was the second leading receive with around 400-450 yards)
Cooper actually would have had 1050 yards and a 80 yard game winning TD in the final minute against The Citadel but one of SC’s young WRs didn’t get set before the ball was snapped.
I’ll tell you this much, the Rams identified a weakness and are attacking it. What do Higbee and Cooper both offer? Outstanding HANDS. Looks like the Rams are tired of the drops.
April 30, 2016 at 1:58 pm #42995wvParticipantWell, when’s the last time the Rams drafted a WR
in the fourth round that made a big impact?I’m skeptical about Cooper, but I think Higbee
is a plug-and-play guy.Off the top of my head, my biggest concern right now….I spose….
would be….Can the Rams stop the Run?
Second biggest concern would be can Mr Goff, play the NFL game,
with his tiny hands and happy feet, and no pro experience.w
vApril 30, 2016 at 2:02 pm #42996znModeratorWell, when’s the last time the Rams drafted a WR
in the fourth round that made a big impact?You’re right, they;re due.
Anyway, seriously…this draft was supposed to be deep at WR and unusual in that respect. It was said in advance that teams could get starters in the 4th round this year. Just a deep draft—not rich at the top but unusually deep after the top. All I know is that anyone who knows anything about Cooper loves him.
April 30, 2016 at 2:04 pm #42997PA RamParticipantAaron RodgersVerified account
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Congrats @JaredGoff16 on realizing your NFL dream. You made @CalFootball proud, enjoy LA! #RollOnYouBears"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
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