a belated Kyren Wms thread

[zn]

OnlyRams@LosRams5

My favorite thing about Kyren I’d the fact he’s a lifelong Rams fan

[wv]

Not comparing KW to AD, but there’s a bit of a similarity in their profiles.   Its like, “They can do everything really well”….the only negative is…they are “smaller than we like”.

Well….F that.   Great personnel decision.  Snead is the man.

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Kyren Williams NFL Draft 2022: Scouting Report for Notre Dame RB

POSITIVES

— Better play speed than timed speed (4.65) with very good quickness and balance to make defenders miss in tight spaces. Fights to stay upright despite contact.

— Consistently runs with the right tempo to let blocks develop. Has the burst to plant his foot and take advantage of holes created. Knows when to lower his shoulder and get north.

— Tough runner despite smaller frame.

— Very good route-runner with flashes of an advanced route tree.

— Good hands. Comfortable snatching the ball.

— Excellent in pass protection. Eyes constantly go to the right place for his assignment and is a very willing blocker.

OVERALL

Kyren Williams has an interesting combination of traits that will give him value for whatever NFL team selects him.

Williams has good vision in the run game and shows an understanding for various run concepts. He will press the hole when needed or throttle back to allow his blocks to develop. He does not dance in the backfield, and he knows when to get north.

Williams is also a good overall athlete with the quickness and burst to take advantage of holes created. He is a complete back who will provide value on passing downs right away. Williams is a comfortable catcher of the ball who flashes the ability to run more advanced routes when split out as a receiver. He is also a very good pass protector, with good eyes to find potential blitzers and the toughness and physicality to meet defenders and sustain on his blocks.
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NEGATIVES

— On the smaller side for the position.
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[zn]

Good write-up, thanks WV. As I keep saying Williams’s superpowers have to do with what he does in the backfield getting into a run. It’s smarts, instinct, burst, vision, determination, anticipation, some lateral quickness. He’s a superstar from the point of taking the handoff or pitch through to getting to exactly the right place at the right nano-second at the OL. Add great contact balance to all that and you have Kyren Williams.

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POSITIVES
— Better play speed than timed speed (4.65) with very good quickness and balance to make defenders miss in tight spaces. Fights to stay upright despite contact.
— Consistently runs with the right tempo to let blocks develop. Has the burst to plant his foot and take advantage of holes created. Knows when to lower his shoulder and get north.
— Tough runner despite smaller frame.
— Very good route-runner with flashes of an advanced route tree.
— Good hands. Comfortable snatching the ball.
— Excellent in pass protection. Eyes constantly go to the right place for his assignment and is a very willing blocker.
OVERALL
Kyren Williams has an interesting combination of traits that will give him value for whatever NFL team selects him.
Williams has good vision in the run game and shows an understanding for various run concepts. He will press the hole when needed or throttle back to allow his blocks to develop. He does not dance in the backfield, and he knows when to get north.
Williams is also a good overall athlete with the quickness and burst to take advantage of holes created. He is a complete back who will provide value on passing downs right away. Williams is a comfortable catcher of the ball who flashes the ability to run more advanced routes when split out as a receiver. He is also a very good pass protector, with good eyes to find potential blitzers and the toughness and physicality to meet defenders and sustain on his blocks. —
NEGATIVES
— On the smaller side for the position.

 

[InvaderRam]

zn wrote:

He’s a superstar from the point of taking the handoff or pitch through to getting to exactly the right place at the right nano-second at the OL.

 

he does seem to make this oline look a lot better.

 

i’m convinced that with him, stafford, higbee, coop, nacua, atwell, and a blue chip offensive tackle this could be a top notch offense.

[Zooey]

InvaderRam wrote:

i’m convinced that with him, stafford, higbee, coop, nacua, atwell, and a blue chip offensive tackle this could be a top notch offense.

Me, too, although so far the Kupp/Nacua pairing has not produced anything special.

Sample size: small. Plus injuries in places. So we are far from losing hope.

[zn]

14 backs were taken before Wms in the 2022 draft. But the Rams didn’t just stumble into him. They deliberately traded up to take him (5th round).

Of the 14 backs taken before him, 4 have more rushing yards than he does in 2023…and Wms. missed 4 games. Those 4 backs are Kenneth Walker III (2nd round), James Cook (2nd round), Brian Robinson (3rd round), and Jerome Ford (5th round). It’s actually not that easy getting backs after round 3–the hit percentage on RBs plummets after round 3. So Wms. like Nacua and Fuller is another example of the Rams being wildly good drafting in the lower rounds.

[zn]

from

NFL RB Index, Week 13: Three running backs who can save their teams’ seasons

Maurice Jones-Drew

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https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-rb-index-week-13-three-running-backs-who-can-save-their-teams-seasons?campaign=Twitter_atn

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Kyren Williams

Los Angeles Rams

The Rams have re-designed their run game to rush more downhill, which fits what Kyren Williams did at Notre Dame. It’s no surprise the second-year back is finding success behind a much-improved offensive line. Williams, who has great vision, burst and contact balance, is continuing to get better as the season progresses. After missing four games with an ankle injury, Williams had his best performance Sunday with a career-high 204 scrimmage yards in the win. He was phenomenal, making big gains with his legs and as a pass-catcher on screen plays. This is what the Rams need from their RB1. A successful run game will bring more defenders into the box and open the passing game for Matthew Stafford to connect with Cooper Kupp, Puka Nacua and Tutu Atwell. The 5-6 Rams, who have inched their way closer to that final NFC wild-card spot with back-to-back wins after a Week 10 bye, must find more consistency within the offense. A healthy Williams is the key.

 

[Zooey]

Your new owner of the Arizona Cardinals

RB Kyren Williams is the first player in NFL history to play in consecutive games against the same opponent and have 150-plus scrimmage yards in each of them. #RamsHouse @Kyrenwilliams23 pic.twitter.com/AznE3YGz1W

— Los Angeles Rams PR (@TheLARamsPR) November 27, 2023

[InvaderRam]

i like especially that he’s so efficient with his touches. also hope mcvay doesn’t run him into the ground.

[zn]

Just thinking about Wms in the redzone in the 4th quarter v. Cleveland

If you took away Steven Jackson’s body, with its size and strength and speed, you’d be left with his internal essence of determined will. In other words. Kyren Williams.

[InvaderRam]

zn wrote:

If you took away Steven Jackson’s body, with its size and strength and speed, you’d be left with his internal essence of determined will. In other words. Kyren Williams.

 

so you’re saying kyren williams is the concentrate they made steven jackson from. ha!

 

but i do love this guy’s will. i agree. at this point of the season i’d go so far as to say he is the rams’ offensive mvp.

[zn]

After the Browns game, KW has 134 carries for 687 yards and 7 rushing TDs. That has him averaging 5.13 ypc. (He also has 3 receiving TDs for the season but I am just looking at the run for now.)

A 5.13 ypc ranks him 7th in the league. He was previously ranked 3rd in the league at 5.3 but the Browns were determined to stop the run.

KW of course missed a few games. What if he played all 17 games with the same success rate he has now? He would have 285 carries for 1462 yards, with 15 rushing TDs. The last Rams  back with over 1000 in a season was Gurley in 2018.

Assuming he plays all 5 remaining games, what is he be projected to have at the end of the 2023 regular season (based on today’s season numbers)? 1116 yards and 11 rushing TDs.

 

[Zooey]

The Rams averaged 14.25 points per game, and were 1-3 without Williams.

With Williams, the Rams have averaged 26.375/game, and are 5-3. It appears that he is a difference-maker in this offense.

Of course, they were undefeated with Cam Akers starting at RB. Akers, btw, in case you missed it like I did, is on IR with MN because of an achilles injury in Week 9. He finished the season with 167 yards (2.78/carry) and 2 TDs. Akers’ career so far has been doomed by injuries and an apparently poor team work ethic.

[zn]

Zooey wrote:

Akers’ career so far has been doomed by injuries and an apparently poor team work ethic.

Akers is aching. So Akers didn’t get acres, instead he got achers.

 

[zn]

Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue

That is some nice vision running by Kyren Williams. He’s had his blocking break down a couple times (Browns were throwing everything at the run with a single high safety)  and he was able to counter a miss or error or two and slip some contact for a gain.

[Zooey]

zn wrote:

Zooey wrote:

Akers’ career so far has been doomed by injuries and an apparently poor team work ethic.

Akers is aching. So Akers didn’t get acres, instead he got achers.

zn wrote:

That’s an automatic 2-week suspension from the board, effectively immediately.

 

[InvaderRam]

Zooey wrote:

It appears that he is a difference-maker in this offense.

 

yeah. all the hype seems to be around puka but kyren is the biggest revelation of this offense.

[canadaram]

I’ve said it before but I think Kyren is the best red zone weapon that the Rams have had in quite some time.

[zn]

canadaram wrote:

I’ve said it before but I think Kyren is the best red zone weapon that the Rams have had in quite some time

There’s a stat called NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only)

For years the Rams under McVay lagged in the mediocre range with those stats. This year they’re 7th. That’s the best the Rams have done with this stat under McVay.

[zn]

One negative run for Kyren yesterday. The diversity in running plays for him is also a breath of fresh air. Kyren saw his first 8+ man box on Sunday and I thought he responded very well. The Browns respected the run and he still had himself a strong game on the ground. #Rams pic.twitter.com/WogdI3NlAa

— JAKE ELLENBOGEN (@JKBOGEN) December 4, 2023

[Zooey]

zn wrote:

There’s a stat called NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only) For years the Rams under McVay lagged in the mediocre range with those stats. This year they’re 7th. That’s the best the Rams have done with this stat under McVay.

Now all they have to do is sign Cris Carter.

[zn]

Among the other traits we’ve been discussing w/ KW–it’s the jump cuts in the backfield too.

Anyway. Just thought I would put a bunch of Wms comments in one place:

zn wrote:

I know everyone knows all this but I like finding the words for it. Namely: Williams’s superpower is in his play from handoff or pitch to hitting the LOS. Beyond the LOS he’s pretty strong for his size, has top contact balance, and is a fiercely determined straightline runner. He has those things but not the elusiveness, speed, size, or power. I mean he’s not just “a guy” in that respect but he does not have those things at the superpower level. His real magic is in those steps before he hits the LOS–vision, reads, instincts, anticipation, burst, smarts.

If you took away Steven Jackson’s body, with its size and strength and speed, you’d be left with his internal essence of determined will. In other words. Kyren Williams.

wv wrote:

I’m just astonished at how he quick-slithers through traffic, and then bursts.

Williams and Nakua are, like, all-pros at this point.   Seriously.  Amazing.

In some ways Williams is the most interesting/fun RB to watch/analyze in a long time.

Im not sure i can remember a rb quite like him.

And my lord what a difference he makes.   Combined with the new OLine and the new blocking scheme.    I mean, some of these drives in the last few games have been glorious.  The whipsawing.  The physical nature of the running.   The way the defenses are kept off balance.  

And. Consistency, as IR says. A model self-maximizer, as BT says.

InvaderRam wrote:

i would just add about kyren. first of all i agree. it’s the vision and instincts and burst and decisiveness that standout about williams. and i agree he doesn’t have elite size and speed and strength. it’s probably why he’ll never have any one play that just jumps out like todd gurley would regularly break out. but he’s just so unbelievably consistent. like a metronome. and it makes this offense run so much smoother. gurley didn’t have that level of instinct and vision.

Billy_T wrote:

Williams is a keeper. Great vision and contact balance. Makes a ton of good decisions on the fly, and tacklers miss him going through the hole. Lacks home run speed, but the Rams don’t really need him to do that. That’s just a bonus when it’s there. But I do think he can continue to give the Rams a lot of chunk plays . . . six, eight, twelve yards and a cloud of dust. Gurley was a legit track guy, like Dickerson. They had it all. Like Sayers, Bo Jackson, Jim Brown, Sanders, Faulk, etc. Sometimes, though, the truly elite backs don’t always work on the little stuff, and backs with fewer athletic gifts, like Williams, do. Strikes me as “natural” that the naturally gifted rely more on those gifts, and the players without them, if they have serious want-to, compensate enough to almost make up for it.

Maurice Jones-Drew

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-rb-index-week-13-three-running-backs-who-can-save-their-teams-seasons?campaign=Twitter_atn
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Kyren Williams
Los Angeles Rams

The Rams have re-designed their run game to rush more downhill, which fits what Kyren Williams did at Notre Dame. It’s no surprise the second-year back is finding success behind a much-improved offensive line. Williams, who has great vision, burst and contact balance, is continuing to get better as the season progresses. After missing four games with an ankle injury, Williams had his best performance Sunday with a career-high 204 scrimmage yards in the win. He was phenomenal, making big gains with his legs and as a pass-catcher on screen plays. This is what the Rams need from their RB1.

 

[InvaderRam]

i don’t know how accurate this comparison is but he reminds me a little of emmitt smith and terrell davis. not extremely athletic. not overly fast or strong but physically and mentally tough. outstanding vision and instincts. no wasted motion. just find the hole and burst through. hard to take down.

[InvaderRam]

another probably obvious observation. kyren’s presence could extend stafford’s career another four years. just takes so much pressure off of him.

[zn]

Kyren Williams is such an asset in pass-protection. The amount of help he provides to the OL as a chipper adds up over the course of a game in a major way. Rushers need to keep their head on a swivel when he's on the field.. pic.twitter.com/inQBJnXphr

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) December 11, 2023

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This is quickly turning into a Kyren Williams thread but for good reason. Hammer not the nail 🔨🫡 pic.twitter.com/aDr5BocaNr

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) December 20, 2023

[zn]

How RB Kyren Williams lifts, inspires Rams: ‘We’re different when he plays’

By Jourdan Rodrigue

https://theathletic.com/5164461/2023/12/28/rams-kyren-williams-offense-impact/?source=emp_shared_article

THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — At Los Angeles Rams practices through the middle of the season, running back Kyren Williams sat at the fringe of the fields on a small medical scooter with his ankle wrapped, and fixated. His wish to be back on the field, his little scooter pushed as far up against the grass as it would go, was tangible. It practically seeped out of his pores.

“Me being out there, it was me telling myself, ‘I’m still in it,’” Williams said. “I’m still on the team. This is still my team, I’m still a part of where we got to and a part of everything. It’s also me showing my guys, ‘I’m still with y’all.’ And I felt that.”

As soon as he could stand, Williams was back on the sideline. As soon as he could jog, that’s how he went out to practice each day to be as close to the action as possible, even though he was on injured reserve following a high ankle sprain in Week 6.

“That just shows how much he loves the game. A lot of people would just go home because they’re done with P-T (physical therapy) and all that stuff. You could just tell he wanted to get back in there,” left guard Steve Avila said.

“He’s not naïve to the fact too that his energy just being out there, it’s uplifting to people,” coach Sean McVay said. “It’s uplifting to his teammates, to me, to his coaches and so once he got back out there, I think there wasn’t anybody that was more excited for his return than he was.

“We were all excited, but he was champing at the bit.”

As soon as Williams could run, he ripped out 143 rushing yards on just 16 carries, and added 62 receiving yards and two touchdown catches. That week — in the second game of the Rams’ sweep of the Arizona Cardinals — Williams was only getting (re)started.

Statistically, Williams changes the math for the 8-7 Rams, who have won five of their last six games. His simple numbers: Williams ranks No. 2 in the NFL behind MVP candidate Christian McCaffrey with 1,057 rushing yards, despite missing four games, and has nine rushing touchdowns (tied for No. 7). He also has three receiving touchdowns (192 receiving yards).

A deeper look reveals Williams’ impact on the offense. According to TruMedia, in the 11 games Williams has been active for the Rams this season they have averaged 27.3 points per game (No. 6), have an EPA/rush of 0.06 (No. 3) and an EPA/play of 0.12 (No. 3).

In games Williams has not played (including a bleak Week 9 loss to Green Bay in which quarterback Matthew Stafford was also out with a sprained thumb), the Rams averaged only 14.3 points per game (No. 30). Their EPA/rush was – 0.17 (No. 23) and their EPA/play was – 0.15 (No. 27).

When Williams is on the field, the Rams have a No. 1-ranked 52 percent offensive success rate, which measures the percentage of plays in which an offense gains 50 percent or more of the needed yards on first or second down and records a first down on third or fourth down (in coaching terms, “staying ahead of the sticks”). When he was out this season, the Rams’ success rate dropped to 39.9 percent, which ranked No. 30.

“No doubt, we’re different when he plays,” McVay said. “I mean, you just look at it. I mean, now there’s enough inventory and the energy, the production, just the overall work ethic. I mean, there are so many guys on this team that you just say, man, they are exactly what we’re looking for in Rams. I love him.”

Williams seems a perfect fit for the multiple (and now gap-dominant) run scheme installed by McVay and offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur in the spring. He helps keep their preferred 11 personnel pre-snap looks identical, run or pass, because he can be deployed as a receiver. Excellent and diverse blocking from the Rams’ receivers and linemen — their three starting receivers rank in the top 20 of Pro Football Focus’ run-blocking rankings — furthers Williams’ cause. Against the New Orleans Saints in Week 16, the Rams ran Williams out of the pistol, behind motion blocks, in duo and mid-zone concepts, on toss plays and even in some of their “throwback” wide zone McVay first brought to Los Angeles in 2017.

Williams can’t explain how he runs, because in his mind he’s not just running.

“I really can’t, I just know that in my head I’m trying to set you up,” he said, “I’m a running back and you’re a linebacker, you’re supposed to tackle me but I don’t want you to tackle me. My whole objective is setting you up, and getting to where I need to get to because I know where my blocks are going. … When I run, it’s me painting my picture.”

There is joy in each step, but anger, too. Being referred to by pundits as a “third-down back” through the 2022 pre-draft process irked Williams to no end. An injury setback that cut short his rookie season did, too.

“That hurt me the most, I’m not a third-down back,” he said, quoting his internal dialogue from that time. “I can do a whole lot of things — you guys just don’t know. Give me the chance to show you. That’s all I’ve wanted in life, is a chance.”

Sometimes, Avila said, the linemen have to pull Williams away from opposing players after a run.

“It’s almost like pulling a little brother away (from a fight),” said Avila, laughing. “That’s how I feel about it. He’s awesome, man.”

Every time Williams gets the ball, it means something personal to him. It means proving his worth in his first year as an every-down starter, sure, and in the big picture it will mean taking care of his family, with whom he is very close. But it also means getting a chance to show his teammates how he can help them, whatever it takes. When he plays, he feels a connective line of energy moving back and forth between them and himself that is precious to him.

“I am gonna show you guys who I really am, I (want to be) the most loyal teammate you have. I will go to war for you,” he said. “Being able to put that energy out there — I don’t need it back, but I still feel it back because of the joy that we all have playing together.”

Caring this much means Williams used to be brutally hard on himself when he’d make mistakes.

“That’s one of the biggest things I had to learn, was that it’s OK to make a mistake,” he said. “There would be times where I’d just come in (the locker room) and beat myself up because I made a mistake, missed a read or a block. … I would get mad at myself, real-life mad self-talk. ‘Come on, man. … you’re so f—— stupid. Why did you do that?! Stop being so dumb! Now you’re never going to play because you showed them you’re not trustworthy!’ Like, that’s the stuff I was saying to myself.”

In a spring practice this year, McVay saw Williams hit himself hard on the helmet with both hands and overheard Williams muttering harsh words about himself, to himself.

“He’s like, ‘Don’t beat yourself up. Stop beating yourself up,’” Williams said. “He said, ‘Every play is its own entity. If you worry about the last play, then you’re not present or here on this play where I need you to be.’ Just hearing that, all right. I better change something.

“Learn from your mistakes. It’s OK to be mad, but learn from it and don’t beat yourself up. In life, too, when failure happens, don’t beat yourself up. Now, I run to it. If I fail, say less. I’m glad I failed because now I know how to get you back. Don’t show me that same look that I failed on, because if you do, it’s over with.”

When Williams lost two fumbles against the Commanders in Week 15, McVay was the first to get to Williams as he ran to the sideline. McVay reminded Williams of his words in the spring, and let him know the ball would keep going to him.

Late in the fourth quarter of that game, the Rams held a suddenly too-shaky lead and needed to kill clock while forcing Washington coach Ron Rivera to burn all three of his remaining timeouts on the underside of the two-minute warning. McVay and Stafford turned to Williams, who turned to his offensive line.

“We needed a first down to secure the game,” Williams said. “We were talking back and forth as a team, and (center) Coleman (Shelton) goes, ‘It don’t matter! All we need is three first downs, and we win the game!’ I was like, ‘Coleman! All we need is one stab (a type of duo run).’ The next play was ‘stab,’ and we got the first down.”

In Week 16, a Thursday Night Football game just four days later, Williams’ 104 yards and a touchdown helped him cross the 1,000-yard rushing mark for the season with two games to play.

Just like they were when he was mired in the unglamorous days of his injury recovery midseason, when he tried to stay as close to his teammates as he could, Williams’ priorities were clear:

“I think it means more that I’m able to share it with my teammates,” he said. “Getting 1,000 yards, that was my goal. But I’m not satisfied, I want to go get a lot more. I just got to keep playing ball with my friends.”

[zn]

zn wrote:

His real magic is in those steps before he hits the LOS–vision, reads, instincts, anticipation, burst, smarts.

Wms from the Rodrigue article I just posted:

Williams can’t explain how he runs, because in his mind he’s not just running.

“I really can’t, I just know that in my head I’m trying to set you up,” he said, “I’m a running back and you’re a linebacker, you’re supposed to tackle me but I don’t want you to tackle me. My whole objective is setting you up, and getting to where I need to get to because I know where my blocks are going. …

It’s very revealing that he himself says that what works for him out there is how he processes things and sets things up before hitting the LOS….

[InvaderRam]

zn wrote:

When Williams is on the field, the Rams have a No. 1-ranked 52 percent offensive success rate, which measures the percentage of plays in which an offense gains 50 percent or more of the needed yards on first or second down and records a first down on third or fourth down (in coaching terms, “staying ahead of the sticks”). When he was out this season, the Rams’ success rate dropped to 39.9 percent, which ranked No. 30.

 

yeah. rodrigue just illustrated perfectly what i mean when i say kyren is like a metronome. just constantly putting the offense in favorable situations to keep them in rhythm.

[InvaderRam]

i put this in another thread but it may be more appropriate here. compares kyren’s season to gurley’s 2018 season. i also want to note that 2018 was gurley’s age 24 season. this is kyren’s age 23 season.

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— The Canadian RAMbassador. (@jonathancorbett) January 2, 2024

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[zn]

Los Angeles Rams PR@TheLARamsPR

RB Kyren Williams became the first Rams player with 100+ scrimmage yards in 7 straight games since Steven Jackson in 2009.

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