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  • #60045
    bnw
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    OK, fine. But what type of science ignores historic data going back 65 million years that contradicts the theory of man made global warming? Its like a physician ignoring a patients health history when diagnosing and treating.

    What kind of scientific argument has to go back 65 million years to find a cooling pattern when humans have been emitting CO2 only for the past couple of hundred years, and that’s the cause scientists are concerned about?

    The cooling has been consistent for 65 million years. In case you don’t know that does predate mankind by about 64 million years.

    Right. Which is why the first 64.9998 million years of your data does not prove what you think it proves. That’s what I’m saying.

    The deal is that the global temperatures have been rising strikingly very recently, corresponding with co2 emissions. That is the whole point. The fact that the earth was cooling consistently prior to the large increase of co2 due to industrialization is a strong part of the evidence that man-made global warming is a thing. The earth WAS cooling for 64.9998 million years. It isn’t cooling now. It is getting warmer. Dramatically. Quickly. So don’t tell me that because it was cooling over a period of 65 million years, that means it is still cooling now. It isn’t.

    No, you’re completely wrong. You’re looking at a minuscule data set and drawing a wrong conclusion as a result. 200 years vs. 65 million years. Which is good data? Which is good science? Again as I’ve stated in this thread before, there is practically NO CORRELATION between rising CO2 and rising temperature in earths past. El Nino is ending and so is the very brief so called “warming”.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3974846/Stunning-new-data-indicates-El-Nino-drove-record-highs-global-temperatures-suggesting-rise-not-man-emissions.html

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #60043
    Avatar photoZooey
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    OK, fine. But what type of science ignores historic data going back 65 million years that contradicts the theory of man made global warming? Its like a physician ignoring a patients health history when diagnosing and treating.

    What kind of scientific argument has to go back 65 million years to find a cooling pattern when humans have been emitting CO2 only for the past couple of hundred years, and that’s the cause scientists are concerned about?

    The cooling has been consistent for 65 million years. In case you don’t know that does predate mankind by about 64 million years.

    Right. Which is why the first 64.9998 million years of your data does not prove what you think it proves. That’s what I’m saying.

    The deal is that the global temperatures have been rising strikingly very recently, corresponding with co2 emissions. That is the whole point. The fact that the earth was cooling consistently prior to the large increase of co2 due to industrialization is a strong part of the evidence that man-made global warming is a thing. The earth WAS cooling for 64.9998 million years. It isn’t cooling now. It is getting warmer. Dramatically. Quickly. So don’t tell me that because it was cooling over a period of 65 million years, that means it is still cooling now. It isn’t.

    #60038
    bnw
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    OK, fine. But what type of science ignores historic data going back 65 million years that contradicts the theory of man made global warming? Its like a physician ignoring a patients health history when diagnosing and treating.

    What kind of scientific argument has to go back 65 million years to find a cooling pattern when humans have been emitting CO2 only for the past couple of hundred years, and that’s the cause scientists are concerned about?

    The cooling has been consistent for 65 million years. In case you don’t know that does predate mankind by about 64 million years.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #60030
    Avatar photoZooey
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    OK, fine. But what type of science ignores historic data going back 65 million years that contradicts the theory of man made global warming? Its like a physician ignoring a patients health history when diagnosing and treating.

    What kind of scientific argument has to go back 65 million years to find a cooling pattern when humans have been emitting CO2 only for the past couple of hundred years, and that’s the cause scientists are concerned about?

    #59843
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    I have always thought that records are only a first step in analyzing a team–you have to look closer to have a more realistic view. 4 teams could all go 9-7. One is overachieving, another is underachieving, one is a good team wracked by injuries, one is an emerging team that isn’t there yet. You can’t tell which is which just by the record. YOu have to look.

    Fisher had no qb after 7 games into 2013. He had Clemens, then then Hill, then Davis, Foles who fell apart and got benched, then Keenum who did fine as long as they had a running game.

    In that same period, 2013-2015, the OL was okay in 2013, fell apart in 2014, and got rebuilt as young and inexperienced in 2015 but then got injured too.

    Now how many coaches can we think of who did well under those conditions? Any?

    To me, and this has always been true–if you don’t look at contexts and circumstances, then, you’re not really accounting for what happened.

    I am open to any argument that showed me coaches who did well when they didnt have a qb and had continuing issues to that extent with their OLs.

    The abstract measurement of records is usually what brings down a coach. I don’t follow every other team so it would be difficult for me to explain every losing coach’s record or to agree that no one has faced any of the adversity on the level that Jeff Fisher has. On the other hand it is highly doubtful that no coach has faced them or that every other team is in a perfect position year after year.

    But okay. I will try to be positive. Sell me on Fisher–despite his record. What do you see that makes him worthy of continuing to lead this team? What do you see that makes you believe no other coach could have done the same under the circumstances? Or that they certainly could not have done better? Your argument seems to suggest that because of his circumstances NO ONE could have done better than Jeff Fisher. This almost absolves him of any responsibility. If a coach’s ability is no more than the sum of his ‘luck” then none of this really matters. They may as well sign him for life.

    I have to say that Rams fans are particularly patient. I hear the Eagles talk radio and they are already calling for Pederson’s head. Now that is ridiculous. But it is the other end of the spectrum.

    Maybe living here makes me more reactionary. I accept that.

    But I also feel that fans do reach a point of burnout with a coach. Good coaches do get fired. I’d love to have Andy Reid. But he wore out his welcome in Philly.

    I don’t believe in Fisher. I don’t have your faith. I don’t see anything in him that makes me believe he will turn this around. I believe next year will be like this year. And if we do not judge Fisher on five years of work we have his whole career to judge him. It is a terrible record, short of a few bright spots.

    I say this in all sincerity, zn: maybe Fisher just isn’t that good.

    But I do know he is going to be here for a year or two at least so I would welcome you cheering me up by pointing out the bright spots. And I don’t mean that sarcastically. I really do appreciate your optimism. I’ll always be under a “Philly” influence. I can’t change that. It’s all around me. I do not have that sort of optimism and outlook. And if I’m not being fair I’d probably be the last one to recognize it.

    And make no mistake–I WANT Fisher to succeed if he’s going to be here. I WANT to look back on this a year or two from now and say how happy I am the Rams stayed the course.

    I hope that happens.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

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    The case of Purvi Patel: How Mike Pence won his crusade against abortion in Indiana

    http://www.salon.com/2016/08/04/the_case_of_purvi_patel_how_mike_pence_won_his_crusade_against_abortion_in_indiana/

    On Jan. 14, 2013 Mike Pence was sworn in as governor of Indiana. In late July of that same year, Purvi Patel went to a hospital in pain, bleeding heavily after a miscarriage.

    The doctor who saw her suspected that she had induced a late abortion and called the police. When Patel woke up after sedation, there was a police officer stationed by her bed. The anti-choice doctor left the hospital and joined the police in a search for a fetus. A one-pound fetus was indeed found, by the police, in a Dumpster. Despite hospital tests showing no traces of any abortifacent in her blood work, the state of Indiana charged her with both feticide for allegedly inducing an abortion, and child neglect for allegedly having a premature baby and then allowing the baby to die. On March 30, 2015, Patel, convicted of both crimes, was sentenced to 20 consecutive years in prison. To date, she has served one year and four months of that time.

    On Friday, July 22, Judge Terry A. Crone of the Indiana Court of Appeals reduced the child neglect charge against Patel and threw out the feticide charge. In his 42-page ruling, Judge Crone chastised prosecutors for charging Patel under the state’s 2009 feticide law,

    In his 42-page ruling, Judge Crone chastised prosecutors for charging Patel under the state’s 2009 feticide law, finding “that the legislature did not intend for the feticide statute to apply to illegal abortions or to be used to prosecute women for their own abortions.” The court agreed with Patel’s appeal attorneys and the doctors who made the case that the state did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the fetus could have survived had she done anything differently. A unanimous panel of the Indiana Court of Appeals overturned the feticide conviction. It also reduced her child neglect conviction from a class A felony to class D. Class D convictions carry a maximum sentence of three years.

    However, it’s not all good news for Patel. The Court also held that the state’s case did offer sufficient evidence to show Patel knew the infant was born alive. This, despite the fact that Patel’s attorneys challenged the use of the controversial, and historically discredited, “lung float test” that prosecutors used to argue the infant was not stillborn.

    This is Mike Pence’s Indiana. This is Donald Trump’s America. One in which women are punished for abortion, for miscarriage, and potentially for any outcome of their pregnancy that doesn’t result in a healthy baby. “Healthy,” in this case, is determined by the politicians who seek to proscribe who can have an abortion, when, and for what reasons.

    Though the court’s ruling on the illegitimacy of the feticide conviction and the reduction of charge is significant, and implies that the court did not flout well-established legal principles, it does not amount to justice for Ms. Patel. When the state was unable to offer actual evidence that Ms. Patel neglected a dependent, they leveraged the fact that she sought medication to terminate her pregnancy. They cashed in on well-established abortion stigma and the fact that women of color are not trusted agents of their own reproductive decision-making.

    In March of this year, then Pence signed a law prohibiting women from obtaining an abortion because of the race, gender, or disability of the fetus, making Indiana only the second state in the nation to do this. This law would also hold doctors legally liable for wrongful death if it was found they had performed an abortion motivated by one or more of the prohibited reasons. These laws are targeted against women of color and result in mistrust and fear of the medical community. Purvi Patel expressed just this kind of fear and anxiety about going to the doctor, in numerous text exchangeswith her friend, when she learned that she might be pregnant. Mike Pence’s vision for for Indiana is, in fact, already in full effect.

    Following the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Texas’ House Bill 2, a federal judge blocked the Indiana law from going into effect.

    This is Mike Pence’s Indiana. In 2007, as a member of Congress, Pence sponsored the first bill to defund Planned Parenthood. He reintroduced the legislation multiple times until he left the House to run a campaign for Governor in 2011. As Governor, he has signed nearly every anti-choice bill that made it to his desk.

    It is this anti-science and anti-choice climate that has contributed to Purvi Patel’s terrible journey. Patel was working at her parent’s store in Mishawaka, Indiana when she learned she might be pregnant. Instead of feeling safe and supported enough to turn to a medical professional who could talk with her about her options, make sure she understood them, and provider her compassionate reproductive health care, she worried about what would happen if she went to the doctor. She worried what would happen to her if her parents found out. She turned to the internet and friends for information. And then, when she arrived at the hospital in distress, she was treated like a criminal, not a patient.

    That some of her sentence was overturned, and some reduced is a relief. But it is not justice. At each point, the challenges Purvi Patel faced in getting safe reproductive health care were constructed by the policies Mr. Pence has supported, and fought for. The stigma she faced is the direct result of the shaming that the anti-choice movement has imbued into American culture for decades. Her story is an important harbinger for what could happen if these forces are allowed to flourish unchecked.

    That is Mike Pence’s Indiana. And this will be Donald Trump’s America.

    #59433
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    Kenny Britt confident he will connect with Jared Goff

    By JACK WANG / STAFF WRITER

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/britt-736526-rams-time.html

    THOUSAND OAKS – For the 10th time in his eight-year career, Kenny Britt is playing with a new starting quarterback.

    This past Sunday, the Rams finally started No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff, giving fans reason to keep watching what has become an increasingly frustrating season. In a rainy debut at the Coliseum, he completed 17 of 31 passes for 134 yards — a performance that neither lifted nor doomed his team in a 14-10 loss to the Dolphins.

    “He did OK,” Britt said. “He handled himself well for his first NFL game. He hasn’t been on the field for a couple of months now.”

    It’s difficult to accurately assess Goff based on one game. In an offense that looked as constrained as ever last weekend, the former Cal star threw just five passes that traveled more than 10 yards through the air. Moving forward, the Rams’ hopes for an unlikely playoff push will depend largely on Goff’s ability to stretch the field more than Case Keenum, who threw nine touchdowns against 11 interceptions and was clearly miscast as a full-time starter.

    But as flawed as he was, Keenum did have a connection with the Rams’ leading receiver. Dating back to last season, Britt had played 14 games with Keenum under center, more than anyone else in his career except former Titans quarterback Jake Locker. He remains on pace to become the Rams’ first 1,000-yard receiver since Terry Holt in 2007.

    “Physically, he’s feeling better than he’s ever felt,” said Rams coach Jeff Fisher, who coached the Titans when they drafted Britt 30th overall in 2009.

    Last month, Britt said that he and Keenum had gotten so comfortable with each other that they could communicate with a single look. Getting that familiar with Goff, who did not get a full offseason’s worth of first-team reps, won’t be accomplished overnight.

    “It’s going to take that extra time in the classroom, that extra time on the field,” Britt said this week. “To tell you the truth, in camp, he was putting in the work, the extra time on our routes. He tries to get in after practice. That’s something you don’t see a lot of rooks do.”

    Britt’s seven targets against Miami still tied for the team lead, though his 43 yards resulted in a season-low 8.6 yards per reception. Given time and reps, he still figures to be Goff’s most dependable weapon.

    More concerning is the continued disappearance of Tavon Austin, whom the Rams just inked to a four-year, $42 million extension. The breakout that Fisher kept insisting was coming has yet to materialize: the former first-round pick is averaging just 43.7 scrimmage yards per game, down almost 13 yards from last season; his catch rate of 53.3 percent is a career low; he has only scored twice.

    After a three-game stretch that saw him receive 29 targets, Austin has only seen 11 passes come his way this month. He has pulled in only one pass from Goff, gaining most of the 21 yards after the catch.

    “He’s got to create separation,” offensive coordinator Rob Boras said. “We’ve got to find a way to get it to him in space and let him use his ability for it – and at the same time not get it to him when everybody is expecting us to get it to him.”

    “The way they’re playing me on defense, they’re taking me away,” Austin added. “It doesn’t really bother me. I can do other stuff on the field to try to get us to win.

    “Just try to stay patient. Don’t get too mad about it.”

    #58893
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    Cal coach Sonny Dykes: Rams ‘very wise’ to wait with Jared Goff

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/31834/cal-coach-sonny-dykes-rams-very-wise-to-wait-with-jared-goff

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Cal coach Sonny Dykes learned everything he ever really needed to know about Jared Goff during Goff’s freshman season as a teenage quarterback for a program that won only once in 12 tries.

    “He never blinked,” Dykes said in a phone interview this week, days before Goff makes his long-awaited debut for the Los Angeles Rams. “I think we played Ohio State in Game 3 that year, and we weren’t very good, and we were playing with a ton of young players. Bunch of freshmen. Bunch of O-linemen that weren’t ready to be playing, I can promise you that. He got hit a bunch, and I learned that he was incredibly tough physically, incredibly tough mentally. He never complained one time. He just got up, dusted himself off, went back to the sideline and went back to work. And that’s the best thing about Jared Goff.”

    This won’t be easy for Goff, the No. 1 overall pick in this year’s NFL draft.

    His own coaches have cautioned as much. Jeff Fisher, who warned against judging Goff solely on the merits of his first game Sunday at home against the Miami Dolphins, said Goff is “going to have some moments, like all young quarterbacks do.” Or offensive coordinator Rob Boras, who acknowledged that taking practice snaps is “different than actually playing.” And quarterbacks coach Chris Weinke, who talked about how the Rams “have to accept that there’s going to be some bumps in the road.”

    Goff will be tested from Day 1 against a Dolphins team with a devastating front four and standing behind an offensive line that has not performed well this season.

    One thing that should help him, Dykes believes, is his footwork in the pocket and his willingness to absorb hits, a trait teammates have already picked up on.

    “When they sat down and looked at all the quarterbacks, I think that’s what made him stand out, made him unique and made him the first pick,” Dykes said. “It was his toughness, ability to stand in there and throw the ball with somebody in his face. Also, his ability to shuffle around and create space is pretty unique. The NFL game is different than the college game. Everything has to happen much faster than it does in college, but I’m sure he’s made that adjustment. I think he’ll do a great job.”

    The Rams waited to start Goff largely because he came from an offense in which he did not take a snap from under center and did not call plays from the huddle. Besides getting acclimated to NFL speed, those have been his two biggest adjustments. The system Goff ran at Cal was the pass-happy Air Raid offense that lends itself to gaudy collegiate statistics but traditionally has not produced successful NFL quarterbacks.

    Goff ran a lot of run-pass options that mostly required two simple reads, but Dykes doesn’t believe his progressions were much different from what he will now face.

    “We asked him to full-field read all the drop-back passes, so he’s gone through a progression-reading system where he reads pre-snap one read, starts on one side of the field and progresses to the other side,” Dykes explained. “Every one of our five-step passes he had a full-field read on. So he’s done a lot of that. I don’t know that the passing game stuff is going to be that much different. Maybe a little bit more play-action.”

    Dykes has his own season to think about, so he hasn’t watched any of the Rams’ games and he doesn’t know a whole lot about their overall situation. But he and Goff constantly exchanged text messages throughout the year, even though the two teams work on opposite schedules. Dykes figured the Rams would be patient with Goff. Heading into the year, he guessed that Goff would debut by Week 10.

    “This is Week 11,” Dykes said, “so I wasn’t too far off.”

    Dykes says Rams fans are getting a quarterback who is “going to be prepared” and “put the time in” and “be very competitive” and “make all the throws.” But he also believes it is going to take time and that a lot of it will hinge on Goff’s supporting cast. Dykes is glad the Rams took their time, even though Goff has felt ready for a few weeks.

    “Jared just turned 22,” Dykes said. “He’s a young guy. When you are the first pick in the NFL draft, there’s a certain amount of pressure that goes with that. When you’re the face of the franchise that just moved from one city to the other, there’s a certain amount of pressure that goes along with that. And I think they were certainly aware of all that, and I think they wanted to make sure, before they threw him in the fire, that he was ready. And I think they were very wise to do that.”

    #58864
    bnw
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    Personally since i aint a scientist and i can do my own experiments, i gotta go with the 97 percent of the climatologists who study this stuff. Frankly I’m concerned that things are WORSE than they are saying, not that climate change is a hoax.

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    OK, fine. But what type of science ignores historic data going back 65 million years that contradicts the theory of man made global warming? Its like a physician ignoring a patients health history when diagnosing and treating.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #58715
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    Here’s why now was the time for Jared Goff to become Rams’ No. 1 QB

    Charles Robinson

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/heres-why-now-was-the-time-for-jared-goff-to-become-rams-no-1-qb-232524146.html

    Quarterback Jared Goff has progressed past the rudimentary stages of learning and is ready for the next step in his offensive development. That’s why he will finally start Sunday for the Los Angeles Rams, a league source told Yahoo Sports.
    It’s not because head coach Jeff Fisher feels the need for a spark. And it’s not because general manager Les Snead is feeling pressure to get the No. 1 overall pick onto the field. The source said the timing is a matter of Goff having illustrated to the staff that he’s ready to graduate inside a fairly patient plan. That’s what has kept Goff off the field up to this point – his absorption of the scheme and ability to make quick assessments and correct decisions during his reps.

    In the end, it was never really veteran Case Keenum who stood in the way. Instead, it was always Goff who controlled the winds of change with his progress. And until about two weeks ago, that advancement was steady but incremental.
    The Rams staff has known this day was advancing quickly since watching Goff take reps with the first-team offense during the Week 8 bye, the source said. Goff had a chance to illustrate that he was processing information more rapidly and accurately, translating classroom work onto the field without having to ask questions. Once the staff saw his processing pick up with regularity, the decision to elevate him to the starting spot became a matter of picking the right time.
    This week against the Miami Dolphins was most suitable because it gives Goff an opportunity to open at home, a window that wouldn’t be available again until Dec. 11. And with no guarantee of postseason games, waiting that long might not leave enough time in the regular season (only four games) for Goff to make adjustments or rebound from any struggles.
    The final seven games represent a mini-season of sorts, with plenty of time to absorb an array of scenarios. This week also gives Goff an opportunity to break the seal on his regular season one week before a four-game slate that will challenge the offense considerably. After the Dolphins, the Rams (4-5) face the New Orleans Saints and New England Patriots in back-to-back road games that will require a scoring clip far higher than the 15.4 points Los Angeles has been averaging. Then comes another potential shootout with the Atlanta Falcons, before a Dec. 15 (Thursday night) game on the road against the Seattle Seahawks, who are suddenly looking like an NFC elite again.
    Nobody on the Rams staff is kidding themselves about that stretch. It will be a trial by fire for Goff and the players around him who are tasked with finding quick continuity under trying circumstances. It’s also coming at a time when the fan base has grown restless – displayed most obviously when the home crowd was chanting for a Goff insertion during the 13-10 loss to the Carolina Panthers on Nov. 6.
    But fans shouldn’t expect the offense to suddenly catch lightning in a bottle. The scheme isn’t suddenly changing, nor are the skill position players surrounding the quarterback likely to flip a switch and play at an All-Pro level. That’s not what this change is about. Plain and simple, it’s about Goff’s next step in his education – getting a glimpse at where he’s headed and what work needs to be done over the next seven weeks and into the offseason. It’s also about figuring out what parts of the scheme suit him best, where tweaks can be made and what personnel needs are most pressing as it pertains to building around Goff.
    Until all of that information can be culled, the most positive aspect of this move is this: The Rams are finally getting some traction in fully integrating Goff into a pro-style system. From his first few months after the draft, the staff knew their biggest hurdle: implementing its pro-style scheme and pushing Goff beyond the fairly simple no-huddle spread offense he ran for three seasons in college. The Rams are finally starting to feel comfortable in that effort.
    It doesn’t mean Goff will be a revelation. It doesn’t even mean he’ll be good during this seven-game stretch. It means that he becomes only the second rookie quarterback this season who is being elevated at the choosing of his staff. While a lot has been made about five other rookie quarterbacks already having started this season, the reality is only one of them – the Philadelphia Eagles’ Carson Wentz – got his first start strictly out of a staff assessment that he was the best quarterback to start. All the others (even the Dallas Cowboys’ Dak Prescott) got opportunities that were advanced because of injuries.
    Goff didn’t get that. Instead, he had another luxury: A coaching staff and front office that refused to put him onto the field before they felt it was the proper step. Whether they were right in their assessment remains to be seen. But there’s no denying the Rams took their time with this move.
    Now it’s on Goff to show two things: That the Rams took all the right steps leading to this moment, and that he’s ready to return the patience with his biggest stride yet.

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    Now Jared Goff’s backup, Case Keenum has respect of teammates

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/31775/now-jared-goffs-backup-case-keenum-had-respect-of-rams-teammates

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — The word “excited” was used a combined 14 times late Tuesday afternoon, first by coach Jeff Fisher and then by quarterback Jared Goff. But this was outside, in organized media sessions, with the portable backdrop behind them and a handful of working cameras in front of them.

    Within the Los Angeles Rams’ locker room, what should’ve been a celebrated occasion — the naming of Goff as the starter, the beginning of a new era — was met with an undercurrent of sadness.

    It was because of Case Keenum.

    He worked so hard, fought so long, cared so much. He was thrust into an awkward, arduous situation and handled it with class. And though he exasperated an impatient new fan base that grew frustrated with the offense and clamored for Goff, the No. 1 overall pick, Keenum earned the respect of his teammates.

    “It’s rough to hear,” Rams left guard Rodger Saffold said of Keenum being demoted to backup duties, “especially after a win.”

    Greg Zuerlein kicked three field goals Sunday as the Rams edged the New York Jets 9-6 on the road. Keenum completed 17 of 30 passes for 165 yards and no interceptions.

    “He helped us win the game,” Saffold said. “I mean, let’s be honest. There’s a couple of times where some things happened in the red zone and we couldn’t convert them into touchdowns, but this isn’t, at all, all his fault.”

    The Rams’ biggest issue is actually their running game, considering how heavily they depend on it. Behind an offensive line that has not done a good enough job opening holes, Todd Gurley ranks 41st among 43 running backs in rushing yards per carry. The offense overall is last in the NFL in yards per game, and Keenum — whose subpar arm strength is a big reason why defenses stack the box in the first place — shoulders the NFL’s lowest Total QBR.

    So the highly anticipated move was made, immediately following a three-game stretch in which the Rams mustered only two touchdowns. But Keenum was nonetheless appreciated.

    Fisher pointed out that he was named a captain at the start of the season and is “still a captain.”

    “His leadership, and his enthusiasm, and his commitment, and everything,” Fisher said about Keenum. “You can’t ask for anything more out of somebody.”

    Goff took an assortment of questions centered on his own readiness and went out of his way to offer his own acknowledgements.

    “I’ll say it now,” Goff said, while answering a question about how he was informed of the decision. “I can’t stress enough how awesome Case has been before this, in training camp, in [organized team activities], now that this has happened after. On and off the field, I can’t stress enough how good of a teammate and how awesome he’s been with it.”

    Keenum went undrafted despite finishing his career at Houston with NCAA records in passing yards, completions and touchdowns. He started eight games for the Houston Texans in 2013, and led the Rams to three wins in the last four games of 2015. Then the Rams drafted Goff and every Keenum interview revolved around that, even though he would begin the 2016 season as the starter.

    “I’m still batting a thousand,” Keenum said at one point during training camp. “Every interview has had Jared Goff come up.”

    Keenum posted a respectable passer rating of 97.4 from Weeks 2-6, at one point setting a franchise record with 19 consecutive completions. But then he threw four interceptions in London on Oct. 23, absorbed boos from the home fans in Los Angeles after the bye week and couldn’t lead his team into the end zone in New Jersey against the Jets. And now he’s a backup.

    “He’s handled this situation like a professional,” Rams defensive tackle Michael Brockers said. “He knows what’s at hand, and he’s helping Jared along, and given him advice. He accepts the role, and he understands what’s at stake, and he understands we’re trying to win games.”

    The Rams snapped a four-game losing streak with the win over the Jets. At 4-5, they remain only 1½ games out of a wild-card spot. It’ll be up to Goff moving forward, but Keenum promises to be there to help.

    “He’s given me advice all year,” Goff said. “I’m sure he’ll be very helpful this week and helpful on Sunday.”

    #58426
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    Yes–it’s time to unwrap this puppy!

    You can’t go back now. He’s in the rest of the year. It’s his team now. I for one am not expecting miracles. I will not call for his head at the first INT. I hope he looks good–but I’m going to be patient.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #58406
    bnw
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    We don’t see it as being “dogmatic.” I do see things like the reps in Congress putting pressure on both the CIA and the Pentagon to “flip” on this, when in fact both the CIA and Pentagon are well aware of the risks c.change poses to the country and the world.

    Exactly. It’s not dogmatic to support the position backed by the preponderance of evidence. It’s dogmatic to support the position not backed up by evidence.

    I believe you are a physician? Or are employed as a medical technician of some sort? If so then when treating a patient do you IGNORE the patients prior medical history? Because ignoring the preponderance of geological evidence disputing the concept of man made global warming is exactly what is happening in “climate science” today. That dogmatic vacuum is not how real science works.

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    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #58272
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    Can Rams RB Todd Gurley build on breakthrough vs. Jets?

    By Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/31705/can-rams-running-back-todd-gurley-build-on-breakthrough-vs-jets

    EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — In the second half, late in a tedious game in which the Los Angeles Rams’ offense once again lacked life, it finally happened:

    Todd Gurley was finally set free.

    He gained 13 yards on the first play from the Rams’ second drive of the third quarter. Then 5. Then 6. Then another 20 yards on a couple of runs early in the fourth quarter. Then 21 yards on a brilliant run that was negated by a hold from the Rams’ oft-penalized left tackle, Greg Robinson. All told, Gurley gained 54 yards on 11 carries in the second half.

    Maybe — just maybe — it’s the start of something.

    “A lot of people criticize him from the outside, not knowing what he does throughout the week — the extra time he puts in on his own, whether it’s film or being one of the last guys off the field,” Gurley’s backup, Benny Cunningham, said after a season-saving 9-6 win over the New York Jets. “Seeing him get a little bit of success, that’s good for him. Hopefully we can build on it and just get back to how he was last season.”

    That idea seems far-fetched, regardless of whatever good vibes Gurley’s second-half production might have provided. He still finished with a pedestrian stat line — 21 carries for 64 yards, one catch for eight yards, zero touchdowns — and gained only 10 yards on his first 10 carries. It came against a Jets defense that had allowed the fourth-fewest rushing yards per game, but Gurley has now been held below 100 yards in 15 of his last 16 games.

    The Rams were rewarded for staying with him, however.

    Gurley received a combined 41 carries over the previous three games and amassed only five of them in the fourth quarter. Rams coach Jeff Fisher stressed throughout the week that Gurley needed to receive more carries, even though the matchup dictated a pass-happy approach, and he got them late.

    “We were able to stay with it,” Fisher said. “We knew if we could get him the carries, that there would be some creases.”

    Gurley has rushed for 515 yards on 167 carries through the first nine games of his second season, averaging a dismal 3.08 per carry. He had already gained 826 yards by his ninth start last year, but the trend was already heading in the wrong direction. Teams began to zero in on Gurley after he rushed for 566 yards in his first four starts, and the Rams have been trying to counter ever since.

    Getting Gurley going in the second half, second-year right tackle Rob Havenstein said, “came down to just staying on blocks. Still, there was a lot of zero runs, a lot of negative runs that we need to correct. We have to do a better job. Todd’s a hell of a running back, Benny’s a hell of a running back. Any time he gets a touch, we want to get him at least to the second level. Let them make plays. I think we did that a little bit. Not to our full potential. That’s something we have to work on.”

    Gurley nursed a thigh contusion this week, but his status for Sunday’s game was never really in question.

    “I didn’t feel like my old self,” Gurley said, “but the runs was getting there like my old self.”

    On one, he zipped through a hole on the right side and motored to the second level for 13 yards. On another, he patiently followed fullback Cory Harkey for a 9-yard gain, displaying the patience required to persevere behind shaky offensive line play.

    The second-half difference?

    “Execution, man,” Gurley said. “It’s simple. Just finishing blocks, staying on your blocks. Just going out there and beating your one-on-ones, like I say every week.”

    #58039
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    X,

    Would you take a moment and address this?

    Trump is breaking with more than a century of precedent by refusing to place his large business holdings in a blind trust. His children, who are a part of his transition team, will be taking over all of that, directly. Trump obviously knows what he owns, the stocks, the companies, the land, the deals in place and pending. If it was questionable or worse for the Clintons to run a charity while HRC was at State, why is it not an even greater issue when Trump is in the White House and his kids continue to run his business empire?

    Okay.

    A. He’s not the President yet, so he’s not doing anything wrong — yet.
    B. Did you expect him to totally divest and put his holdings in the hands of 5 other people within 4 days?
    C. Trump’s fortunes are largely built on his brand. How do you put a “brand” in a blind trust? Anything Trump does as president will affect the value of that brand anyway. His kids are also a huge part of his businesses too, so how does he then eliminate the conflict of interest between the business and his job as POTUS? Divest his kids? If one of them creates a new business in the next couple of years, is there a conflict of interest for Trump if he signs a bill into law that ends up benefiting *that* business? Do they also need to put *their* holdings in a blind trust?

    Is it only “crony capitalism” when anyone but a Republican does it? Is it only a conflict of interest and “pay to play” when anyone else but a Republican does it?

    Are you suggesting I’m being hypocritical somehow?
    Or is that one of those questions you just threw out there into the ambient air?

    A. He told us he would not put his business in a blind trust and that his kids would run it. He told people that before the election. He also broke with decades of precedent by hiding his tax returns, though we managed to see a couple. This, too, shielded the American people from the truth about his entanglements and potential conflicts of interest. But from his financial statement, we still got a pretty good idea that they’re legion.

    B. It’s not about timing. He said he won’t do it. It’s not that it takes time and we need to be patient. He won’t be doing what all other presidents have done for well over a century, and for obvious reasons.

    C. What you describe is not our problem. It’s not just up to the American people to try to figure out a way to make sure Trump doesn’t act to increase his wealth. That’s on him, and he’s taken absolutely no steps to come close to doing so. And, you’ve also described why it was insane to elect him in the first place, and why it’s always going to be insane to elect a billionaire businessman or woman. Even with a serious blind trust, they are ripe for mega-conflict-of-interest.

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    i would want goff starting half this season. now maybe he’s not ready to start. and if that’s the case then that worries me.

    but maybe fisher is a little more conservative. or maybe i’m too impatient. or they’re just different approaches.

    but still. i’d like to see him get at least 8 games.

    and not cuz i think he’d make a difference but to start preparing for next year.

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    Ross & Greg discuss the Chiefs, Jared Goff, & preview the Ravens Browns game.

    my confidence is eroding. if not in goff then in fisher.

    I don’t buy the stuff they’re peddling there, IR.

    well. we’ll see.

    I should be more specific.

    Cosell sez, either (1) he’s a mistake, he’s not that guy, or (2) somehow what they’re teaching is not getting across.

    The reality is, it doesn’t reduce to just those 2 options.

    It’s their mistake that they believe it all reduces to JUST those 2 options. Their entire analysis is tilted by that first mistake.

    Other possibilities (which I happen to believe):

    1. Fisher just takes his time with qbs, and he believes in doing that having done it that way before.

    2. Unlike most teams that pick a qb that high, Rams are not a 1-15 or 3-13 etc. type rebuilding team that earned that pick with their record. They are a more established team than that and traded up. That means 2 things. First, they can afford to be in win-now mode (which is not the same as saying they actually do win. It’s what they;re trying to do). Second, unlike a rebuilding team, they don’t have to just accept the losing that (the vast majority of the time) comes with starting a rookie qb.

    And of course Prescott himself says the Dallas offense is very similar to what he did in college, and Wentz…who has gotten a little shakier btw…was heavily pro-ready coming out. So I don’t necessarily think those examples apply.

    IMO? Fisher will take his time because Fisher takes his time.

    Wentz, qb rating. Games 1-8.

    1. W, qb rating 101.0
    2. W, qb rating 86.6
    3. W, qb rating 125.9
    4. L, qb rating 102.8

    5. L, qb rating 77.7
    6. W, qb rating 52.4
    7. L, qb rating 91.4
    8. L, qb rating 64.5

    ===============

    Yeah, i agree with all that.

    I think Fisher just mainly has a patient approach to a lot of things.

    And to me, btw, without a running game, I dont know what Goff could
    do anyway.

    I’m fine with Goff sitting out almost all the season btw. I do think he
    should start a coupla games though near the end. I just think it would help
    him get ready for next year.

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    Just being pragmatic. He’ll either repeal it and replace it, or amend it until there’s nothing left of it aside from the two provisions he told Obama he’d consider keeping. The prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of patients’ existing conditions, and a provision that allows parents to provide years of additional coverage for children [up to age 26] on their insurance policies. If that’s backtracking, then okay. Of that whole law, he said he’ll consider keeping two provisions.

    I will be keeping an eye on his cabinet appointees, though. I’ve feared he was gonna bring in the people who stuck with him during his campaign. I swear if Palin gets anything other than Press Secretary, I’ll flip my lid.

    I think I’d like to see Palin as press secretary.

    #57830
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    Attacking a Strong Run Defense

    Myles Simmons

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-practicereport/Practice-Report-1111-Attacking-a-Strong-Run-Defense-Britts-Homecoming/de2e8f43-4cd4-4949-9929-c134adf914ae#content-tools-share

    As a team, Los Angeles ranks No. 29 in rushing through nine weeks of the 2016 season. To say that’s unexpected would be an understatement, particularly given how the club finished No. 7 in the same category last year and features a healthy Todd Gurley in his second NFL season.

    That’s why getting Gurley going is an important factor for the Rams’ second half of the season.

    “We’re looking [for] overall improvement. We want to see the arrow go up with respect to the whole football team — and that includes Todd, and that includes his touches, and that includes his production,” head coach Jeff Fisher said. “But that’s an offensive team-oriented challenge that we have to face and we have to meet.”

    “Just make sure I’m doing the things to help me out as far as helping out [blockers] as well,” Gurley said of his objectives heading into the final eight games.

    The 2015 offensive rookie of the year currently has 451 yards rushing with three touchdowns. But over the Rams’ last three games, Gurley has averaged just 14 carries while the Rams have averaged about 44 passing attempts. Last week against Carolina, Gurley had just two carries in the game’s second half.

    That’s not the ideal distribution for Los Angeles’ offense, and Fisher said this week Gurley’s reduction in carries has been in part because the club has been behind and faced so many passing situations. But it’s an issue L.A. has been working hard to correct this week.

    “He’s feeling good,” Fisher said. “The are down for a lot of different reasons, but we’d like to see the numbers increase — out of the backfield as well as the carries.”

    “Part of it is, we’ve got to do better on first and second down, and stay on the field, and sustain some drives,” offensive coordinator Rob Boras said this week. “I know what the numbers are. At the end of the first half last week on first and second down, we had nine runs and 10 passes, and we had seven third downs, and then four plays in two-minute. Then when we got behind two scores in the second half, we had 20 plays of two-minute there at the end.”

    And that doesn’t help a running back in terms of trying to get into a rhythm — be it Gurley or Los Angeles’ usual third-down back, Benny Cunningham.

    “For any runner, and especially a guy like Todd and/or Benny, it’s the more carries they’re going to get, that the more that they’re going to settle in,” Boras said. “Not only as a runner, but as the blockers — the O-line, the tight ends, and the fullback if that be the case. Part of that again is staying on the field, and sustaining some drives, and eliminating three-and-outs, and that’s obviously a stress what we’re trying to get done.”

    As a strong runner for much of his life, Gurley knows what it takes to excel when he does get into a rhythm and receives multiple carries in a row.

    “Obviously, being a running back, you want the ball,” Gurley said. “So, you’ve just got to be mentally tough in getting those carries play after play. And the biggest thing with that is, that’s when endurance comes in. You start seeing stuff when you’re tired. So you have to make sure you’re doing the same thing that first carry that you’re doing at that 25th carry.”

    And while Gurley would surely like better results than he’s had this season, it hasn’t changed the way he’s approached going about improving.

    “I’ve said it before, I’ve been impressed with Todd as much success he had last year, and how well he handled the success last year as a 22 year old, or whatever he was last year. I think he’s handling what’s happened this year just as well,” Boras said. “Again, that’s a sign of his character and what he’s all about. I’m not saying that he’s not frustrated, but he’s not showing it. He’s a team guy. He’s willing to do protection-wise, route running – whatever it’s going to take for us to get first downs and ultimately score touchdowns.”

    It seems like the Rams have faced some of the toughest defensive fronts week after week, and they’ve all loaded the box to stop the run. That’s going to be the case this Sunday, too, as L.A. takes on the Jets — currently No. 4 in run defense.

    “Obviously, they’re very athletic,” center Tim Barnes said of the Jets’ front. “They play really hard, fast. You see some of those guys, they’re running down plays — so you know what you’re dealing with. Big guys, but they’re very athletic. They’re playing at a high level right now.”

    “Just have to stay consistent, read your tracks, and just stay patient,” Gurley said.

    New York is also multiple with its defense, employing both even and odd fronts depending on the situation. That’s can be a challenge for any team in terms of preparation.

    “You have to really get into your playbook. And you do that every week, but especially when you have different looks for everything like we do, you just have to make sure everyone’s on their game together,” Barnes said, stressing the Rams have been focusing on communication. “We’re going to be away, so we’re going to have to communicate in the noise — things like that. We know that we have to do everything together correctly.”

    And given the Jets strength against the run, might it mean a bit more if this was the week where the Rams finally broke out in a big way?

    “Absolutely. And we want to get the run started bad. It’s something that’s bothering everybody,” Barnes said. “It means something to us. So we just want to make sure that we do everything we can to get it going.”

    “That’s our focus. They know it and we know it. It’s easier sand than done,” Fisher said. “We have to finish plays and we have to find a way to hand the ball off to Todd and Benny late in the game. That’s how you win games at the end.”

    #57820

    In reply to: Draining the Swamp

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    And then there is this today….

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-willing-to-keep-parts-of-health-law-1478895339

    backing off repealing Obamacare.

    The confetti isn’t even swept up yet, and Donald is backtracking on all those straight-talking promises.

    Just being pragmatic. He’ll either repeal it and replace it, or amend it until there’s nothing left of it aside from the two provisions he told Obama he’d consider keeping. The prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of patients’ existing conditions, and a provision that allows parents to provide years of additional coverage for children [up to age 26] on their insurance policies. If that’s backtracking, then okay. Of that whole law, he said he’ll consider keeping two provisions.

    I will be keeping an eye on his cabinet appointees, though. I’ve feared he was gonna bring in the people who stuck with him during his campaign. I swear if Palin gets anything other than Press Secretary, I’ll flip my lid.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #57780
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    Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher – November 11, 2016

    (On the teams’ health going into Sunday’s game)

    “We got guys back on the field. (DT Michael Brockers) ‘Brock’ came back on the field, (CB Trumaine Johnson) ‘Tru’ was back on the field, (RB) Todd (Gurley) was back on the field – all be listed as questionable, but that means that they have a good chance of playing. The only one we designated as out was (WR Nelson) ‘Nels’, Spruce.”

    (On whether it helps being well traveled as a team for the upcoming road trips)

    “Yeah. We talk about this morning in the meeting, we started a little bit earlier this morning to try to get them acclimated to the time change. Their wakeup call is at 5:00 a.m. our time, pregame meal is at 6:00 a.m. and kickoff is at 10:00 a.m… We were meeting at 8:00 a.m. We told them this morning another hour from now, your bodies are going to be in pregame warm-up. We adjusted, they understand it and we’ve handled it – we just need to score some points. I’m not going to tie the two together, but we need to score some points.”

    (On whether the Detroit game was an earlier start)

    “Detroit was an earlier start. You had that looming thing after Detroit, with the London thing after. But none of that matters, they were focused. It’s a challenge, but our division has to go do it. It’s not the first or the last 10:00 a.m. start we’re going to have, but we’re going to go out there, get ready and go play.”

    (On entering the second half of the season and what he is looking to see form RB Todd Gurley)

    “We’re looking for overall improvement. We want to see the arrow go up with respect to the whole football team, and that includes Todd, that includes his touches and that includes his production. That’s an offensive team oriented challenge that we have to face, that we have to meet. But he’s feeling good. The numbers are down right now, for a lot of different reasons. But, I’d like to see the numbers increase out of the backfield as well as the carries.”

    ***

    Rams Defensive Coordinator Gregg Williams – November 11, 2016

    (On the emphasis of forcing turnovers this week)

    “It’s that way every week, but we’re always looking for something to improve upon, (and) we’re in the middle of the pack defensively on that. Some of the better teams I’ve ever been around, some of the better teams I’ve ever coached we’re dominant in that area – it helps the offense, it helps us; taking the ball away. We kind of went back to some training camp rules on some extra drills that we did – heck, I even had to throw the ball a little this week, without getting a sore arm on the interception drill that we really do. The guys have done a great job with that. It’s not that we don’t emphasize it all the time, because we do, and every week, we have been doing it. But it’s been a focal point. The next step for them, would be to do that. We’ve had our hands on the ball enough that we just can’t drop it. We’ve had a couple of dropped interceptions, we’ve had a couple of fumbles that we didn’t quite in possession of. So now, the next time, we’ve got to a better job of that. I will tell you this, I was impressed with (Panthers QB) Cam Newton last week on some of the sacks we got on him – we’re trying to get some ball pressures that way. It tells you what a big hand he has and also what a strong man he is, to be able to protect the ball he did in the pocket last week. We had some opportunities, the next step is for us is to take the ball away – and then score, too.”

    (On if it is challenging to not know who will be starting at quarterback for the opposition)

    “In all honesty, no. When I say this, conceptually, you take a look at – I scout coordinators every week, too. I’ve gone against (Jets offensive coordinator) Chan (Gailey) and know that, and have a lot a lot of respect for (Jets Head Coach) Todd (Bowles). All the years that Todd was a player, I tried to sign him a long time ago and then the coordinating down here. You have to understand defensive head coaches, too, on what they want their offensive coordinators to do. We’ve got a good handle on all that, if ‘Fitz’ (Jets QB Ryan Fitzpatrick) plays – I was with ‘Fitz,’ too at Tennessee and when he was a quarterback I went against him in a lot of practices. I feel like I know quite a bit about him. He and I had a really good relationship in the meeting rooms and that kind of stuff, because he would pick defensive players’ mind and defensive coaches’ mind. He’s real sharp, not just because he went to Harvard, I told him all the time that doesn’t make you smart, because my son went to Princeton – there was a rivalry back-and-forth with him on that. Whoever plays, they’re going to adapt the strengths to that player, but it’s going to be within the concepts of, offensively, what they do.”

    (On how big the challenge is for coast-to-coast road games)

    “Somewhat. And I think in the older days, it was quite a bit more. Not as much so nowadays because we are more understanding of it. And I think our head coach is the best there is at that, I think he understands it very well. He takes a high priority on how we stock up during the week, how we practice during the week, monitoring the reps during the week. And then he and (director of sports medicine and performance) Reggie (Scott) and Anthony (Zamora), our (nutrition assistant), on what we do on the plane. Because we’re on the plane for a long time, that’s also captivated the players on doing what we want done on storing up energy and storing up nutrition. In the old days, it was a hamburger and fries and who knows what was going to go on. It’s a lot better now, it really is.”

    (On if he has any superstitions to break losing streaks)

    “Oh yeah, I come from a baseball family, too. So you know (St. Louis Cardinals broadcaster) Mike Shannon is my father-in-law, so I get a lot of baseball superstitions, football superstitions, but I just keep it to myself.”

    (On if there are ways he can see DT Aaron Donald elevating his game)

    “I’m proud of him. Let’s go back to the very first year – you guys weren’t covering, we weren’t out here – but everybody wanted me to compare him to somebody and I refused to do that. Last year, they wanted me to compare him to somebody, I refused to do that. You want to know why? Because people are eventually going to start comparing to him. He is his own guy and he does things I cannot coach – I can help, maybe speed up a decision – but he has instincts that are rare. Not only does he have athletic ability and strength, height and weight and things, but he has instincts that you don’t come around very much. He’s been playing very well, especially as emphasis on offensive protections and emphasis in blocking schemes are going towards him, he’s still being able to find a way to beat it.”

    (On if there is anything he can offer the offense when they are having trouble running the ball)

    “I really do stay in my lane, but when they come and ask me, I’ll talk to them about that, I was an offensive coordinator, too. But the big thing is, I try to do whatever I can to give a good picture, defensively, give a good picture. They’ve got a lot of good people on that side, so they’ve been doing fine with that.”

    ***

    Rams RB Todd Gurley – November 11, 2016

    (On what he’s working on to break through his current slump)

    “You know, certain stuff every week. Just got to stay consistent, and read your tracks, and just stay patient.”

    (On if there’s any doubt he will play this week after showing up on the injury list)

    “I felt pretty good today. I’ll just leave it at that.”

    (On what he can do to help get the offense rolling)

    “Just do the same things. Just stay patient, read my track, read my press to the line of scrimmage. Just make sure I’m doing the things that help me out, as far as helping those guys out as well.”

    (On what staying patient means as a running back)

    “Even when the hole is not there, still being able to just read it the same, and don’t try to do nothing outside of the play. If the play is not designed to hit outside, then don’t make up in your mind, ‘Oh, I know it’s not going to be up inside, so I’ll just go outside.’ Just making sure you’re on the same track as everybody else, because once you start to predetermine stuff, that’s when you know you’re not on the same page as your linemen, you try to bounce it outside, you get holding calls. You just want to stay consistent.”

    (On how he takes the pressure off himself)

    “It’s always a must win, it’s always a must win. You’ve got to win every game. Got to play every game like you’re trying to win. It’s definitely tough going to East Coast opponents. At the end of the day, they have to come over here as well. Just go out there and execute.”

    (On if he had any superstitions growing up playing sports, in regards to breaking out of a slump)

    “No. Just keep it the same. Definitely work a little harder, but keep it the same.”

    (On how to manage getting the ball play, after play, after play)

    “Just depends. You’re getting yards play, after play, after play, or you’re not getting yards play, after play, after play (laughter). Obviously being a running back, you want the ball. You’ve just got to mentally tough to be able to get those carries play after play. The biggest thing with that is – that’s when endurance comes in. You start seeing stuff when you’re tired. Just making sure you’re doing the same thing on that first carry that you’re doing on that 25th carry.”

    (On if it’s easier to sustain a consistent rhythm when you’re getting a lot of carries)

    “I don’t know, you’ve just got to get your mind right. You never know what they play call is. Sometimes, like I said, I’ve had times in college where I got the ball five times in a row, and you know you’re going to get it again. But, you just got to man up and do your best.”

    (On how his body feels at this point in the season, in comparison to this point last season)

    “I feel like this year, my body has been a lot healthier. Definitely been better, knock on wood. I say that next week, and I feel like crap (laughter).”

    #57481
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    Al Jazeera
    link:http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/11/refuse-accept-election-results-161110093108400.html

    The underbelly of the US is exposed for the whole world to see. Let the calamity of Trump do for the US at large what 9/11 failed to do, writes Dabashi [EPA]
    By
    Hamid Dabashi

    @HamidDabashi

    Hamid Dabashi is the Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University.

    William Faulkner, in his Banquet Speech at the City Hall in Stockholm, on December 10, 1950, on receiving the Nobel Prize in literature said: “Our tragedy today is a general and universal physical fear so long sustained by now that we can even bear it. There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only the question: When will I be blown up?”

    What in the world did he mean? “Blown up” by what? How?

    If you lived through the endless night linking the fears of Tuesday evening of November 8 to the terror of the following Wednesday morning wondering how to explain Donald Trump’s victory to your children, you have a glimpse of what frightened Faulkner so many years ago so far from his homeland. But can we still ask serious, even frightening, questions, as Faulkner did, any more?

    “Does America deserve to survive,” Faulkner asked in 1955 at the news of a vicious murder and mutilation of a young black boy.

    Just before this nightmare descended upon us I read that a European philosopher had said that if he were an American he would have voted for Trump. “It will be a kind of big awakening,” he had said, “new political processes will be set in motion.”

    Perhaps, I thought to myself, but this man for sure does not live in the United States. He does not have a child who goes to public school in New York. He has not struggled to calm the raw nerves of an eight-year-old boy who is scared all his Mexican friends will be rounded up and deported from the US.
    The angry liberals
    What will a Trump presidency mean for the US?

    So where would we stand between the gaudy and juvenile Stalinism of what today passes as “the European left” and the delusional liberalism now publicly stunned by Trump’s victory in the US?

    Liberal America is right now flabbergasted, incredulous, violent, recriminatory. It now openly fears that it might be ruled as Chile was ruled by Augusto Pinochet, Iran by the Shah and the Ayatollahs, Egypt by Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Russia by Vladimir Putin, Turkey by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Palestine by Benjamin Netanyahu. How dare history to even think to do to liberal America what liberal America has done to the world?

    Recrimination, finger-wagging, and continuing to be deaf and blind to reason and logic have resumed apace among these angry liberals.

    Diehard Clinton supporters are accusing those who as a matter of principle opposed her record of corruption and warmongering of having paved the way for Trump.

    Many Bernie Sanders supporters, myself included, made a strategic choice not to vote for Clinton if we live in safe states like New York, where I live, and where she won, and vote for her in swing states such as Florida or Ohio, which they did and yet she still lost.

    We the first targets of Trump’s xenophobic thuggery and dangerous delusions, we the Muslims, the Mexicans, the African-Americans, women, we are here at the forefront of defying Trump’s ignominy.

    Liberal America refuses to recognise its dangerously delusional blinkers. The anger and violence they wanted safely deposited in Clinton’s White House to unleash on other countries is now launched on Sanders’ and Stein’s supporters who they falsely and conveniently blame for having denied them that treacherous peace of mind.

    Their beloved Barack Obama gifted the Zionist settler colony $38bn in military expenditure over the next 10 years in a lovely liberal gesture to maim and murder more Palestinians, as would have Clinton in even more generous terms, were she to be elected.

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    That they don’t mind. But having Trump preside over their national destiny, that they will not tolerate.

    The vulgarity of such accusations, however, is a diversionary tactic, consciously or unconsciously launched to pre-empt a far deeper soul-searching now necessary to hold and heal the soul of this nation.

    Sanders and his supporters had been continuously warning against this outcome for months, when Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Donna Brazile, and the entire leadership of the Democratic Party came together to dismantle and sabotage his campaign, and send a deeply flawed candidate to face the monstrosity of Trump.
    Bringing the US in the fold of humanity

    But such recriminations, left or right, are at this point a waste of time and a distraction. Soul-searching yes, witch-hunt no.

    There should be rethinking of the politics of race and gender, but not at the expense of suspending critical judgment on the global warmongering which Obama inherited from George W Bush and institutionalised chapter and verse, and which Clinton would have widely exacerbated.

    There is no mystery to this result of choosing Trump over Clinton: This is almost the same population that over the past eight years twice elected an African-American to the White House.
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    What happened this year? In its jeremiad mourning for its favourite candidate even The New York Times had to admit what happened: “Democratic Party … attempted a Clinton restoration at a moment when the nation was impatient to escape the status quo.”

    Sanders was the ready and riding answer to that historic call. But what did the Democratic establishment, The New York Times and Washington Post included, do to Sanders?

    Trump is rightly seen as “a twisted caricature of every rotten reflex of the radical right”. But to fight this banality, we need to go far beyond useless recriminations and reach much deeper into the troubled heart of America itself: a racist, misogynist, ignorant, paranoid, xenophobic, white supremacist America. No liberal sugar-coating of these facts will wish them away.

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    Faulkner thought “the basest of all things is to be afraid”. Then he daringly, defiantly and triumphantly declared: “I refuse to accept this. I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail.”

    But how is that prevailing to occur? First and foremost, by collapsing the false binary between the safe inside and the troubled outside. The US militarism has just gone through two successive phases of two terms of Bush’s neoconservative and Obama’s neoliberal imperialism. It has left the earth in shattered chards.

    The US will now need its most recent immigrants more than ever to help it learn how to survive this Trumpian calamity. We have been there: at the receiving end of the US-made Donald Trumps of the world.

    We the tyrannised, we the abused, the dispossessed, the forsaken, we in need of US “humanitarian interventions”, we the refugees of wars US liberal imperialism has caused around the world, we the Palestinians, the Libyans, the Iraqis, the Afghans, the Latin Americans, the Africans, we are all here: Trump’s worse nightmare and battle-tested in fighting the bullies of the world.

    We the first targets of Trump’s xenophobic thuggery and dangerous delusions, we the Muslims, the Mexicans, the African-Americans, women, we are here at the forefront of defying Trump’s ignominy.

    Along with millions of other Americans, we the most recent immigrants are now safely home at the dangerous delusions of an angry mob of white supremacist zombies shielding its wild fantasies behind democratic politics.

    The comfort zone of liberal fantasies of peace at home and warmongering abroad is now completely erased.

    The underbelly of the US is exposed for the whole world to see. Let the calamity of Trump do for the US at large what 9/11 failed to do: to bring Americans back to the fold of humanity – with fear and trembling like everyone else, with insecurity fighting the indignity of an ignorant tyrant, seeking to secure a modicum of self-respect in the bewildered belly of this warring beast.

    Hamid Dabashi is Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University in New York.

    The views expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial policies.

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    Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher – November 7, 2016

    (Opening Remarks):
    “When you lose consecutively like we did there’s always a point of emphasis, or a focus that goes in, to see what’s going on. Obviously, as a staff today, as we looked at the tape, some things came up that were – I guess I’m stating the obvious with respect to them – but ten points in the last two weeks offensively is not going to get it done. That’s by and large the biggest issue that we’re facing right now, is our lack of ability to score points. Then of course, on the other side of the ball, on defense, we’ve had one turnover in the last three weeks. When you only get one turnover, it’s hard to turn the ball over to your offense. We’re not playing particularly well on third down defensively, so we’re not getting the additional drives or the opportunities for big plays. We all see it and I think the biggest challenge for us offensively is running the football. (RB) Todd’s (Gurley) not getting enough carries, our passing numbers were skewed. But if you’re realistic, we’ve had a lot of two-minute snaps the last two weeks. Those people that are saying that we are throwing it almost 50 times a game and running it 20 or 25, well 15 or so of those plays in each one of the last two games have been in two-minute, at the end. We’re doing whatever we can to try and win games, it’s just not happening.

    “We put it in perspective for the players. Players understand. As we told them, we need to flip the switch, we’re in the second half of the season. Our goal, like anybody else in the league right now, is to compete and contend for the division. That starts with a potential win, a great week of preparation rather, and then a win here at New York (Jets). From a health stand point, we’re good – I think we’re better than most teams right now. I may have mentioned to you after the game, but we started the same 22 players yesterday that we basically started in the opener. That’s encouraging and we’re just going to keep working at it, get them back, and have a good week – got a long trip and go out and should we put one together. But understanding that the only change you have to put together is to score points – we need to do that.”

    (On where things are at with the quarterback situation)
    “Case (Keenum) is starting.”

    (On what specifically is QB Jared Goff missing in order to become the starter quarterback)
    “Jared is improving. I keep saying that as you guys keep asking the questions, he’s improving. But, Case right now, especially against this defense, give us our best chance. It’s an extremely complicated defense, and they can pressure the quarterback, they can do anything they want to do. They’re very, very talented. Our focus is this week against the Jets, and Case will be under center.”

    (On what specifically is Goff improving on, and what has he not mastered in order to give him enough confidence to insert him as the starter)
    “I’ve been saying from day one, we’re going to play him when the time is right, and when he’s ready. With each passing week, he’s getting better and better. He’s better understanding, he recognizes things, he’s prepared, he understands the challenges week-to-week. There was a moment yesterday when Case came out. He had an extreme contusion to his non-throwing hand, and there was a chance – we didn’t know on the sideline – but there was a potential chance for a fracture. So, I said, ‘Jared, get warmed up. Get ready to go.’ He goes, ‘Coach, I’m ready.’ I said, ‘I know you are. Let’s see where Case’s forearm is, and we’ll go from there.’ Then, it was determined that is was just a contusion and not a fracture. But, that’s his mindset. I know everybody wants to talk about it, and that’s the big question. Again, he’s going to play. Whether it’s the following week, or the following week, or what have you, it’s eventually going to happen. The big picture, as I keep saying, this is about making sure that he’s ready to go out there and be sharp, and give us a chance to win. The quarterback position is not easy – Andy Dalton, (Philip) Rivers, Jay Cutler, (Drew) Brees, (Andrew) Luck, Cam Newton, (Ben) Roethlisberger, (Joe) Flacco, and (Aaron) Rodgers, that’s a good list – That’s an impressive list of quarterbacks. The one thing they have in common – two things rather – other than being really, really good quarterbacks, a number of them have rings, is right now, their records are .500 or worse. So, that shows you how hard it is to play at the quarterback position. We’re taking our time, we’re being patient, and when we feel it’s the right time, he’ll be under center.”

    (On if there will be a tipping point to when Goff will start) OR (On if Goff will be the starter if the team falls out of playoff contention)
    “I don’t think the playoff contention is fair to the football team, so we’ll see. Our expectations are we’re going to stay in it, so we’ll see. I’m not ruling out the possibility that he’ll make a playoff run for us as well. But for right now, Case is starting and we’re going to New York.”

    (On if the challenge to incorporate RB Todd Gurley in the run game was harder than he had anticipated coming into the season)
    “Yeah, good question. It’s been a much greater challenge. Defenses are saying, ‘Don’t let Gurley or Tavon beat you and put the ball down the field.’ We’ve got to do a better job, we recognize that. Todd’s number of carries the last few weeks are not what we would like. I think they’re 15, 14, and 12. Those numbers need to get up in the 20s. Again, they’re offset a little bit by our third-down stuff, in addition to the two-minute snaps. But, his touches and his numbers need to increase significantly. That’s what we discussed, and what we’re working on right now offensively.”

    (On why RB Benny Cunningham is better suited for the two-minute offense than Gurley)
    “There’s nothing that Todd doesn’t give us in two-minutes, and there’s nothing that Todd can’t do on third down. We have a tandem, we have one, two, we’ve got Todd on first and second down, because we have so much trust in Benny on the third down stuff. Again, Benny can make plays, because you’ve seen him make plays. That’s kind of how we deploy our personnel. Todd was in on some third down reps, but when we go to two-minute, or we’re in the third-and-long, or something like that, Benny is the back that gives us the opportunity. Todd understands everything. It’s just a matter of – I don’t want to say not committing to Todd – but, Todd is going to need a break. He needs a break every once in a while, and basically our philosophy going in, that’s how we’ve been since Benny has been productive for us, that Benny has been our third down guy and two-minute, and Todd has been our bell cow during the other series.”

    (On how he would evaluate the offensive line’s performance)
    “We gave up four sacks and that’s not good – although, this defense sacked (Cardinals QB) Carson Palmer eight times the week before. So, there were some good things in the game. There were a couple mistakes, a couple holding penalties, but we’re healthy and we’re progressing. Our offensive struggles are related to the entire team – you can’t blame it all on the offensive line, we had five drops yesterday, we dropped a touchdown pass you can’t blame that on the offensive line. You catch the touchdown pass and you’re lucky to kick a 55-yard field goal, the game’s different, we win and our offensive line played pretty good against one of the better defensive fronts in the league. I think you have to be realistic and keep things in perspective.”

    (On if not having an official determination on his future makes him uncomfortable)
    “No, I’m not uncomfortable at all. I’m uncomfortable because I didn’t expect to be three-and-whatever we are, okay, but I’m not uncomfortable at all. I never look over my shoulder, we’re moving on. (Rams Owner/Chairman) Stan (Kroenke) and I are on the same page, he understands what we’ve been through, he’s as disappointed as I am at the losses – two three-points and a seven-point in the last three games. He understands that we’re competitive and we’re doing everything we possibly can to get this turned around.”

    (On if he has to keep an eye on how the defense is doing mentally to make sure they don’t start to get frustrated)
    “What we’re going to do, we’re going to get the defense to help the offense on the practice field, that’s how you handle that. The defense gave up 31 points three weeks ago in Detroit – or three games ago. Every week there’s a different challenge. I thought, in the game defensively, it was one of our better efforts. I thought the game-planning was outstanding, the coaches did an outstanding job, the players responded, we got everybody back, we didn’t get the turnovers, but we bottled up a very, very explosive offense and held them to 13 points. If you’re a defensive guy, the 13 points was too much because we didn’t win the football game. The attitudes are different on both sides of the ball. But, no, I’m not concerned about the defense, they played really hard, they played smart, they played fast, they played physical – there was a lot of contact in the game. We just have to make sure that that becomes our standard.”

    (On what he thought of the 10 penalties on Sunday)
    “We did have 10. The two on special teams, I disagreed with. The holding penalty on (DE) Eugene (Sims) on the reverse, I really completely disagreed with it. The same thing with (RB) Chase’s (Reynolds) penalty on the punt return, I didn’t agree with that, either. We had the two defensive offsides. The last penalty, which was on the onside kick, you can scratch that, that was just kind of one of those things that happens. But the holding penalties, the defensive offsides and then the DPI (defensive pass interference) – the DPI shouldn’t happen – (DB) Lamarcus (Joyner) should have played the ball better. Yeah, statistically, we had 10, I would acknowledge maybe six of them.”

    (On CB E.J. Gaines’ status)
    “Oh, he’s fine. Yeah, he’s fine.”

    (On if the penalties, the drops and the inconsistencies are a matter of coaching or personnel and how he addresses it)
    “It’s hard to talk in general terms about it. For example, we’re behind in the game and their best asset on defense is rushing the passer and (T) Rob (Havenstein) gives up an inside move – he’s been playing well the whole game – gives up and inside move and grabs to make sure the quarterback is not hit. That’s not an athletic-ability deficiency at the right tackle, it’s just one of those things that happens. You have to look at each one of those penalties, in particular, to come to conclusion on that. Nonetheless, the penalties, we had two defensive offsides, (DT) Cam (Thomas) and (DE) Rob (Quinn) just were drawn offsides, they shouldn’t be drawn offsides – they should never be drawn offsides at home – but they were trying to rush the passer. Again, the special teams penalties, I disagreed with. We don’t allow those things to happen on the practice field, we coach them. I disagreed with a number of calls. This particular crew was the crew that did the Oakland-Tampa Bay game last week, so that’ll tell you something.”

    (On WR Pharoh Cooper and TE Tyler Higbee getting more integrated into the offense)
    “Yeah, ‘Higs’ made the big play – it was a great throw by Case, ‘Higs’ came up and made the big play. He needs to play better, he’s starting to figure it out now and we’ve got him involved. He needs to be better at the point of attack and he knows that. Nonetheless, he did come down with the big catch and a field position change. ‘Coop,’ he’s healthy, we worked him into the offense last week. For all intents and purposes, we’re going to continue to work him in and he’ll probably see a little bit more playing time offensively. I’m pleased with where he is right now. We just need to get the ball in his hands. Then again, I’m adding another person to the list that we need to get the ball in his hands – Gurley and Tavon. He’s a playmaker, he’s taken on his special teams responsibilities and he’s accepted them. He’ll be able, I think, you’ll see more of him. I’d like to be able to keep him up now.”

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    Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher – November 4, 2016

    (On how the bye week has helped the team prepare for Carolina)

    “Off hand, I know Kansas City’s schedule. (Head Coach) Andy (Reid) has got a great record. I haven’t paid much attention to it, but the things that we stress are, obviously, the things that are timing related, and then penalties. We worked that this week, we talked about it, we’ve addressed it. We’ll start fast, we’ll be emotional, because we’re back home playing an outstanding opponent.”

    (On if the team will do anything different defensively, against QB Cam Newton)

    “I think everybody structures their plan a little differently against Carolina. First and foremost, you’ve got to defend the run. Then in passing situations, you have to be intelligent with your rush plan, because he can pull it down and run for first downs. Once they get close, they like to use him as a runner. So, we adjust the game plan accordingly.”

    (On what RB Todd Gurley has to do in order to improve)

    “It’s not a Gurley thing, I think it’s more of a team thing, and then it’s an opponent issue too, because they’re stopping it, they’re loading up. Like I said, we need to get it going. It’s November, and we need to get it going. What bigger challenge we’re going to have getting the run game going against this defense. This defense is really sound, and solid, especially with Luke (Kuechly) in there. Luke is telling everybody what’s going to happen before the ball is snapped. You got to give him some different looks. We got to finish, hit some creases, get receivers more involved in the blocking, and the concepts, and the schemes, and try to get Todd and Benny (Cunningham) creases. Run it in passing situations, and throw it in run situations.”

    (On if Gurley needs to make any adjustments to his game)

    “No, we grade everybody. You’d like to see him make somebody miss, or break a tackle. He should win against defensive backs, especially corners. But, I’m not, by any means, down on Todd.”

    (On if he feels QB Case Keenum is eager to improve on his last performance)

    “Case is the same every week. He loves to play, he loves to compete, he loves to prepare, practice. I know he’s a little disappointed in two of the interceptions, and the other two we don’t put on him. The week before, he put together a winning effort at Detroit. He’s excited, I know he’s excited, he’s prepared. He gets here before I get here in the morning, and I get in pretty early.”

    (On if he feels as if Carolina’s secondary is an area in which the offense can exploit)

    “I think we have a good plan going in to be able to mix and match our offense. Their secondary, even though they’re young, they’re improving weekly, and that’s what happens when you get snaps. They’ve gotten a lot of snaps. It’s not one of those games where you say, ‘Oh, we’re going to go after him, or go after him.’ We have to be sound, and the quarterback has to go through the progressions. Their secondary is not the issue. Like I said, just look at the quarterbacks. You have got a young secondary, look at the quarterbacks they’ve faced over the three or four weeks, that’s quite a challenge.”

    (On CB Trumaine Johnson’s status)

    “Trumaine was limited today in practice, and he’s listed as questionable, as is (DE) William (Hayes) and (DT Michael Brockers) ‘Brock’ and (RG) Jamon (Brown). I think the only we’ve listed as out is (WR) Nelson (Spruce). Everybody else is limited and questionable.”

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    Rams Defensive Coordinator Gregg Williams – November 4, 2016

    (On the challenge of stopping Panthers QB Cam Newton)

    “I’ve had some experience being in that division when he came in as a rookie, playing him twice a year. I have tremendous respect for him. When you guys get a chance, if you haven’t seen him before, up front, in person, he looks better than our defensive ends. He’s got a defensive end’s body, he’s 6-6, 260 (lbs.), can run like a defensive back, running back – a great athlete. A lot of those guys like him play in the NBA and this guy’s playing in the National Football League because he’s tough enough to do it. He brings some different things to the game, and I think (Panthers offensive coordinator) Mike Shula does a great job on what they do, offensively, to fit the skillset of his players, including the quarterback. Mike and I were together at Jacksonville, so I’ve known some things and he was there at Carolina when I was at the Saints. There’s still some familiarity of what they’re doing, conceptually, but each year he’s gotten better. As quarterbacks in our league, the guys that can stay healthy and move on through the league, it’s amazing how smart they get, as far as the feel for the game and they turn into coordinators. They’re giving him a lot of freedom to do a lot of checks and a lot of different things at the line of scrimmage. So we’ve got our work cut out for us. We’ve got to play well, we’ve got to play good.”

    (On if the attention that has been paid to Newton this week, with regards to late hits, is worth a conversation with the defense going into this game)

    “It really isn’t, with our guys, we play a certain way inside the white lines anyway. They really haven’t even focused anything on it. We’re just going to play football the way we are – and our guys play well, we’ve got some good team speed, we’re going to have to play the run really well there. They’re a really good run team and they take their calculated shots. They’ve got one of the tight ends that’s in this league, that’s one of the best pass-receiving tight ends in our league in Greg Olsen. Dynamically, all put together offensively, they pose some big time problems and we’re going to have to be up for it.”

    (On Newton speaking with Commissioner Roger Goodell)

    “No, we don’t worry about that, we just play ball. We really don’t, we just play football.”

    (On how a healthy RB Jonathan Stewart changes what the Panthers do)

    “He’s an extremely hard-nosed runner, but people don’t realize how fast he is. We liken him to, in this division, when Frank Gore was at his best (with the 49ers). We’ve tried to picture that to some of our players that have played against Frank in Frank’s prime, too, that they’re very similar to how they play – great pad level, can run over you in the A and the B-gaps inside the run, but don’t give on him, don’t think that he can’t outrun you outside. He’s a better pass-receiver year after year after year. Again, he’s one of those all-purpose, versatile running backs that we’ve had some experiences with. Now, can we do the same thing with him?”

    (On Carolina’s wide receivers having a size advantage on Los Angeles’ cornerbacks)

    “We’ve had some experience with that already this year, we had some experience with the Giants. But, really, when you take a look at Tampa Bay’s receivers, Tampa Bay’s receivers were some of the tallest that we could go against in the league, too. Those are just things; we have some tall receivers here in practice, so we get that picture all the time. So that’s no excuse for us, we just have to play.”

    (On who sees the most pressure on the defense when playing against a running quarterback)

    “It really has to do with what kind of a call we’re in. You would love to always say it’s defensive line, but it’s not, it could be our safeties, our linebackers and our defensive line. Conceptually, our defensive line will be the first ones there on how we go about making sure we balance the rush and have good rush discipline. But it’s all of us and it really, kind of, depends on whether it’s a man call, zone call, pressure call, all that kind of stuff. You can’t predict what you’re going to be in.”

    (On if he senses that the players are antsy coming off the bye week)

    “It’s fun to see how much energy they have. I’ve been teasing all week long that it brings me back to my day care, managing young kids and all that kind of stuff when I had young kids growing up. And that’s that there’s a lot of energy, they can’t wait to get on the practice field, they’ve been chippy in the locker room – I’m sure you guys have seen some of the battles and the competitions that have been going on all this week. It’s time to play. Now, I would be worried if it wasn’t this way, it would bother me. But I’m not worried about it because they’re ready to play. They’re real chippy, they just need a way to get this release and, hopefully, they’ve saved enough for Sunday to have the release that we want.”

    (On the health of the defense)

    “What we do is, in all honestly, we don’t worry a whole lot about that. Because if you’re on an active roster, and we’ve done a good job building our roster and we have a very defined ‘next man up’ philosophy. Our D-line is getting healthier, but all those guys can play – our secondary, our young guys have stepped up and done really well, and our linebackers have done very well. We’ve got a lot of youth in that linebacker crew and you’re going to see a few more of those guys get some more playing time now. The bye week was good for all of them. And health-wise, we’re getting close; but again, whoever Coach Fisher says is active, those are the guys we have on gameday and we’re ready to go, no matter who it is.”

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    Rams RB Todd Gurley – November 4, 2016

    (On how excited the team is to play at home on Sunday after coming off the bye week)

    “Pretty excited. It feels like it’s been forever since we played at home. We just have to get rid that losing streak and get a winning game.”

    (On how hopeful he is that things will start opening up for him during the second half of the season)

    “You just have to stay patient, stick to the plan, keep going out there, and work hard – just hope that things open up and I’m pretty sure they will.”

    (On if he thinks he’ll see more action in the pass game on Sunday in hopes of exposing an inexperienced Carolina secondary)

    “I think that whatever coach calls out there, he’s going to do a good job of putting us in a good situation. Just going out there and doing my job and trying to make a play after catching the ball. Whatever he calls, I’ll be ready for it.”

    (On how he spent his time off during the bye week)

    “I went back home to see my family and friends. I had a good time.”

    (On whether the bye week came at the right time for him personally)

    “It felt like it was the perfect time. I don’t know how many away games we’ve had, probably about five and we went on two away games in a row, went all the way to London, and then came back for the bye week. I felt like it definitely couldn’t have happened at a more perfect time.”

    (On what stands out to him when looking at the Panthers defense)

    “Obviously looking at the last game, probably one of their best games overall. Great, great, physical front seven. Linebackers are great – they know what you’re going to do before the ball…You just have to play your game and make sure that you’re studying them as good as they’re studying you, and just beat your man, one-on-one.”

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    MMQB: Ready or Not, Is It Jared Goff’s Time?

    On the heels of three straight losses, calls for the Rams to hand the reins to the No. 1 overall pick are heating up. Is it just a matter of L.A. sticking to a long-term plan, or is there something more that’s keeping Jared Goff off the field?

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    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Los Angeles waited two decades for its NFL team to return. So forgive Rams fans if they’re impatient regarding their anointed franchise quarterback, Jared Goff. Seven months after L.A. shipped a slew of high draft picks, including its No. 1 in 2017, to Tennessee for the right to select the Cal quarterback first overall, Goff has yet to play a down in the NFL. While five other rookie quarterbacks have started games this season, the No. 1 pick sits behind Case Keenum, who has the league’s fifth-lowest passer rating and threw four picks in his most recent game, the 17-10 loss to the Giants in London that dropped the Rams to 3-4.
    Coach Jeff Fisher maintains that Goff will start “when he’s ready,” but calls for a quarterback change have swelled to the point that, in an interview at practice on Wednesday, Fisher felt obligated to say: “Jared Goff is still our quarterback of the future. He’s still our franchise quarterback, still in our long-term plans. It was a great trade.”

    As to whether he’s in the Rams’ short-term plans, and if so when he might play, Fisher declined to offer any timetable: “The worst thing we can do to Jared is say, ‘Hey, here is when it’s going to happen.’” The logical question, especially given the early success of Carson Wentz in Philadelphia and Dak Prescott in Dallas, is: Why isn’t Goff playing? What exactly are coaches working on, and why has the process dragged on for the better part of a year?
    “I get it, that’s the big concern right now,” quarterbacks coach Chris Weinke told The MMQB. “Here’s the No. 1 pick, other guys have played, it’s human nature to question, why hasn’t this guy? The simplest answer is it’s a process. We’re not working on one particular thing. We’re really working on a number of variables. Could he be playing right now? Is he capable of playing in the National Football League right now? My answer would be yes. But if we’re being truly honest with ourselves, and we knew when we went through the process of drafting him, we knew it was going to take some time, and we were OK with that.”
    The Rams, privately and publicly, will remind outsiders that the Eagles initially planned to reshirt Wentz, and that Prescott is only starting because of Tony Romo’s injury. But the success of those rookies—specifically of Prescott who, like Goff at Cal, played in a spread offense at Mississippi State—legitimizes the question: If the Rams believe Goff is capable of playing in the NFL, why wait?

    Cultivating quarterback talent is a delicate and inexact art. A franchise’s fear is currently playing out in Jacksonville: The Jaguars wanted to sit Blake Bortles as a rookie in 2014, reversed course midseason, thrust the quarterback into action and may have stunted his long-term development. Two years later Bortles’ mechanics seem out of whack. This week the Jags QB summoned a private quarterback coach to Florida for recalibration. Such anecdotes seem to shape the Rams’ plan for Goff: mold the young quarterback into a polished product, then plug him in.
    “If Jared Goff is playing quarterback, we’re not going to change our offense,” Weinke says. “We have a library [of plays] where we are always able to cater to the quarterback. I mean, that’s just being smart. We do that for Case Keenum, and obviously for Goff we’ll do that as well, where we call things he’s comfortable with and likes. I think we’re being smart right now in not rushing him into a position—not that he’s going to fail, we’re not saying that—but we want to put him in a position to be successful.”
    Keenum’s subobtimal passing numbers—including four picks in the London loss to the Giants—have caused the calls for Goff to grow.

    Goff’s development may be taking slightly longer because the spread offense he played in at Cal drew on Mike Leach’s up-tempo, pass-happy Air Raid philosophy. While highly favorable to the stat line, Air Raid offenses don’t ask nearly as much of a quarterback in terms of his reads as do NFL pro-style attacks. Consider former Air Raid quarterbacks whose college productivity didn’t carry over (or hasn’t yet) to the NFL: Tim Couch, Nick Foles, Kevin Kolb, Johnny Manziel, Geno Smith, Brandon Weeden. In fact, Keenum may be the most successful former Air Raid quarterback in the league right now. In an interview last month for my college column about the Air Raid conundrum, Weeden—a 2012 first-round pick of the Browns who started 15 games as a rookie—brought up Goff’s situation unprompted: “I look at what the Rams are doing and I think it’s awesome,” Weeden said. “By having Case Keenum on the roster, Goff can have a year, a half a year, and redshirt to learn the NFL game. That’s huge. My rookie year, I had no idea what I was doing a lot of the time. I knew coverages, but they are just so much more complex, dissecting everything—it was impossible. I wish I had been in a situation like Goff’s where I wasn’t forced to be thrown into the fire.”

    * * *
    At Cal, Goff operated out of the shotgun. Now he’s under center, and the footwork is different. That was the first thing Weinke and Goff worked on. “The easiest thing I’ve found is to relate it to what he’s comfortable with,” Weinke says. Weinke explained to Goff that where he used to take a three-step drop from the shotgun, now it’s simply a five-step drop under center: just add two steps. Goff had been working on his five-step drop even before the draft process, and he had the footwork down by training camp in August.
    But it’s more complicated than just adding steps, Weinke notes. “He’s used to [having the ball snapped], getting the ball and going,” Weinke says. “Now he has to make decisions while he takes the ball.” So as Goff gets the ball at the line of scrimmage and retreats back to the position he’s comfortable with, he enters what Weinke calls “information overload.”
    “A veteran guy doesn’t have to think about his footwork—he just does it,” Weinke says. “A young guy, he’s always thinking, and then his motor skills slow down. He learned the language, then has to think functionally and act physically.” According to Weeden, whose college offense at Oklahoma State was similar to Goff’s, adjusting to turning your back to the defense was a tremendous struggle. “That’s a really hard thing to learn,” Weinke says. “It’s awkward to turn your back to linebackers, then get your eyes up and find the defenders again.”
    The complexities stretch beyond footwork. The terminology is different, and seven months after he was handed the playbook, Goff can, according to Weinke, “speak the language and articulate it.” But he also must execute it.
    At Cal, the quarterback had significantly fewer responsibilities. Tony Franklin, Goff’s offensive coordinator at Cal, often discussed how Goff was given more freedom than any of his previous quarterbacks. Indeed, Cal’s offense evolved with Goff over three years, as the coaches gave him more flexibility, according to Chris B. Brown, author of The Art of Smart Football, who has written about Air Raid offenses extensively. “By Goff’s final season he could change plays more often, and they were running variations of more formations,” Brown says. “They also did some stuff with protections on the back side, where they’d block the defensive line then let Goff read the linebackers, so it wasn’t totally like he was getting teed off.”

    Cal’s offense included run-pass options (RPOs) in which the quarterback, post-snap, chooses whether to run or pass the ball with a series of simplified reads. “As far as RPOs and packaged plays, nobody did it more than Cal,” Brown says. “Literally every play, it was layered on.”
    Brown explains further: “It was a binary read—two plays going at once. Look at the weak-side linebacker; if he does this, throw it here, and if he doesn’t, hand it off. It’s not necessarily, ‘Look at the coverage and then identify which side of the field he’s going to work and run a strict progression there.’ Which Goff can do, but he has to do it in a different context.”

    Says Weinke: “Conceptually there were things he did in college that we do here; we just call it something different or take it to the next level, where he always has to identify the linebackers, make protection changes, every play. As it relates to run-pass options and things he did in college? We have that in our offense, so we have those things he can do. But there is more now. We hear about it all the time—how the college game is transferring, or not transferring, to the NFL game at the quarterback position. Well, here’s a case where it just takes time.”
    Time means reps, and once the Rams determined in training camp that Goff wouldn’t be their starter, the bulk of first-team reps went to Keenum. While this slowed Goff’s learning process, it satisfied the Rams’ short-term interest (getting Keenum ready each week) while preserving the long-term vision. Fisher says the Rams decided to dress Goff as the third quarterback in Week 1 this season so he could see everything that Sean Mannion, the backup, did during the week to prepare. The next week Goff was promoted to No. 2 because the coaching staff felt he could play if needed. Last week’s bye afforded the opportunity for Goff to get a significant number first-team reps. But will he play?
    For now it appears the Rams will finish out the plan they committed to, whether it’s right or wrong: insert Goff when they believe he is perfectly polished, then hope the wait was worth it.

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    Rams seek recommitment to running game, Todd Gurley

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/31510/rams-seek-recommitment-to-running-game-todd-gurley

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — The last time the Los Angeles Rams played — seemingly forever ago, but actually Oct. 23 — they attempted 53 passes, a total they hadn’t exceeded in more than three years.

    It is not ideal.

    “I was as surprised as anybody when I saw the stat sheet at the end,” said offensive coordinator Rob Boras, alluding to the fact that the Rams threw on 15 of their 20 first-down conversions during their 17-10 loss to the New York Giants from London. “… That’s not the way it was designed to play. Obviously, we want to run the ball.”

    It might not be by design, but the Rams have gone away from Todd Gurley over their past two games.

    Gurley averaged 3.97 yards per carry against the Detroit Lions and Giants, a subpar rate that was nonetheless better than the 2.74 yards he averaged through the first five weeks. In those two most recent matchups, though, Gurley only carried the ball a combined 29 times, with just 13 of those carries coming in the second half, even though they were basically one-possession games throughout.

    The Rams need to — and want to — get Gurley more involved, because relying on him for offense is typically a much better option than having Case Keenum try to beat opposing defenses down the field, regardless of Gurley’s struggles on the ground in 2016.

    For the season, Gurley ranks second-to-last in the NFL yards per carry (3.01) and dead last in average rushing yards before first contact (1.34). To counter, the Rams have looked to Gurley more frequently in the passing game. He has already been targeted as a receiver 26 times, only one fewer than his targets through 13 games as a rookie last season. His 21 catches tie his mark from 2015.

    “I think not being able to get things going in the running game, I improved a lot in the passing game,” Gurley said on a conference call with Panthers reporters ahead of Sunday’s visit from Carolina. “… Just staying patient and trusting the process. You’ve got to keep working hard even though something’s not going. Hard work doesn’t always pay off at the right time, but you still have to trust the process and keep going.”

    Gurley has now failed to reach 100 rushing yards in 14 of his past 15 games, a stunning stretch for such a gifted runner. The Panthers have given up the third-most passing yards per game but feature a talented front seven that has allowed only 3.26 rushing yards per carry, the lowest mark in the NFL. And like everybody else, they’ll be fixated on Gurley.

    “He’s still a dynamic player,” Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly said. “He’s big, he’s powerful, he’s explosive. I think he’s a very unique running back that is a challenge for you. He can kind of do a little bit of everything. He’s not just a fast guy, he’s not just a strong guy, he’s not just a guy that can catch the ball out of the backfield. He’s able to do all three.”

    The Rams haven’t been able to display that man just yet. Getting there hinges on a trio of factors. It’s Keenum keeping defenses honest through the air, it’s Gurley having the patience to let holes materialize and, most important, it’s the offensive line improving. Rams guard Jamon Brown, who returned to practice seven days after undergoing minor surgery on his left hand, believes his unit has to “amp it up a little bit.”

    “We have to pay more attention to detail,” Brown said. “Just do more. Obviously we knew that everybody was going to have a plan for Todd, try to contain him. As an offensive line, we know that it takes work; it’s a grind. It’s not going to be perfect, but we just have to continue to put our bodies on other bodies and Todd will eventually do his thing.”

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    Anybody ever talk to a car mechanic? I talk to em all the time
    cause i drive old beat-up cars. Anyway, everytime i talk to an old grizzled
    veteran car-guy, they always make a speech about how the parts they are forced
    to use are ‘shit’ nowadays. They remember times when this or that company made good parts. But now they are all made cheaply and they are not good quality no matter what the brand is.

    So my question is..is that true? Or just old people grousing about the good ole days.
    Are there any good companies left that make quality stuff — or have all the big corporations
    just decided to cut corners and sell junk for profit?

    Good companies will stress on quality and product differentiation and should not compete on price, but in most cases that’s not the case.

    Tough to translate in the business world, because customers value pricing as one of their decisions.

    But I think Apple does this very well. Their computers, laptops, iPhones are amazing devices and work extremely that are loaded with software suites that are very simple to use. Even though they are priced very high with high profitable margins they’ve marketed their brand well and have a customer loyalty…….

    Japanese automakers pioneered this while competing on price… penetrated the market in the mid to late 70’s with a very reliable car at good price and have bee able to ride that brand loyalty while increase their margins (prices)

    In addition….. to your mechanic’s point…., I took 3 years of HS Auto… and by far, today’s car parts and cars are much better in quality than they were 30-40s years ago. today’s electronic ignition, fuel injection, fuel pumps, shocks springs, brakes are by far much better however, they are tougher to diagnose for the home mechanic without proper diagnostic tools….. ……

    in the mid 70’s under the 90’s, US cars couldn’t compete quality wise to imports…. to bnw’s point about smog regulations, US Automakers (British automakers too) could not master those requirements and just built absolute crap.

    Here is a great NPR podcast on the UAW auto union of the 1970’s and the story of the GM plant in Fremont that was converted to the Numi plant to build Toyotas and GMs cars, ……..today it’s the Tesla plant….

    This is very cool and somewhat personal to me. I knew people that worked at both the GM and Ford plants ……My brother’s Pontiac GTO was built in this plant as was my Toyota Tacoma.

    I remember reading this and thinking to myself about the UAW behavior from friends that worked at GM….

    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/NUMMI

    Prologue.

    Ira Glass

    Today we have this story for you about cars– American cars. And like most stories about American cars lately, it’s more tragedy than comedy, though there is some comedy in there, too. It’s the story of a factory in California that captures pretty much everything that’s gone wrong in the American car business in the last 30 years. And at the heart of the story is the question, why are American cars still not as good as foreign cars?

    Come with me for just a half minute to the Detroit Auto Show, OK? David Champion is one of the umpires who calls strikes and fouls in the car business. He’s the senior director of Consumer Reports auto test division. He says that Ford has actually been improving for the last six or seven years, but Chrysler’s still in the dumps, the worst of all the car makers they study, and as for America’s biggest car maker, GM?

    David Champion

    The big Achilles’ heel with GM is their reliability. You look at things like the Cadillac CTS– a fabulous car, I’d take a CTS over a BMW or a Mercedes any day. But unfortunately, the CTS has been poor for reliability since it was redesigned in 2007. So they still quite haven’t got it.

    Ira Glass

    Why hasn’t GM got it yet? It’s not like this reliability problem just snuck up on them. It’s been nearly 50 years since it started losing market share– 50 years since it began the slide from holding over half the US car market, back in the ’60s, to just 22% today. Here’s an amazing fact. Even after Toyota’s recent disaster with suddenly accelerating cars that killed possibly 52 people, Consumer Reports came out with new ratings just this month and it still rates Toyota as more reliable than all the American car makers.

    That’s because the ratings are based on overall dependability– the likelihood of whether you’ll have a problem with your Toyota, and mostly, they are still very reliable cars. In fact, the top three automakers in the most recent Consumer Reports survey are all Japanese– Toyota is number three– and the top 10 are all foreign.

    Why is it taking so long for Detroit to figure out how to make a car as good as the Japanese? Well, there’s some very interesting answers to that question, and all of them can be found right here– at a car plant in Fremont, California, called NUMMI. NUMMI stands for New United Motor Manufacturing Incorporated.

    A modern car plant, by the way, sounds a lot like a casino. The automated gear plays little songs to let you know that it’s running. Driver-less robot carts glide up and down the aisles, like R2D2, delivering doors and other parts. Their song is supposed to warn you that they’re coming. The story of this factory is a famous one among car people– it’s taught at business schools.

    NUMMI was opened in 1984 by GM and Toyota together, who decided this would be a place that they would build cars with each other. If it seems strange to you that two competitors would do this, it seemed strange at the time, also. A headline in Car and Driver about the partnership read, “Hell Freezes Over.” But both companies had their reasons– we’ll get into that.

    At NUMMI, Toyota showed GM all its secrets– exactly how it made some of the best built, most reliable cars in the world back then. GM hoped to take these lessons from NUMMI and carry them into all their other plants, all over the country, and all over the world. And then, well, that didn’t go so well, and here we are today. GM went bankrupt. US taxpayers– you and I– bailed them out for $50 billion.

    And next week, the NUMMI car plant, the one that seemed like it might be able to teach American car makers how to catch up to their competitors, is going to stop making cars. It’s happening, no joke, on April Fools’ Day. Today we have a special story for you. We are devoting our entire show to it.

    For the last couple months, NPR’s automotive correspondent, Frank Langfitt and one of our producers, Brian Reed, have been traveling around the country talking to GM workers and managers about what happened at NUMMI, and especially about what went wrong at GM that it had so much trouble for so long adopting the techniques it learned over a quarter century ago.

    General Motors and the UAW are secretive cultures, but as you’ll hear, people were blunt when they talked to Frank– blunt in a way that you rarely hear with auto executives and UAW reps when they’re being interviewed by the press. Act one of our show is about the rise of NUMMI, act two is about what prevented GM from learning from NUMMI.

    From WBEZ Chicago, it’s This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International. I’m Ira Glass. Our show today produced with our colleagues at NPR News. And now it is my pleasure to turn the story over to NPR automotive correspondent, Frank Langfitt.

    Act One.

    Frank Langfitt

    When NUMMI was conceived, General Motors was far and away the world’s largest car company. Its US market share was seven times that of Toyota. But each company had a problem that the other company could help them solve. On GM’s side, the problem was small cars. Under government emissions guidelines, General Motors had to build them, but they’d always lost money for GM, and they were lousy quality. So Toyota suggested a joint venture that offered two things. First, Toyota would build a quality small car for GM– one that would finally turn a profit.

    Jeffrey Liker

    And the second thing was, we have this thing called the Toyota production system, and it produces the quality you see. We can teach you the Toyota production system.

    Frank Langfitt

    Jeffrey Liker is a professor of industrial engineering at the University of Michigan. He wrote The Toyota Way, and he’s been studying Japanese auto manufacturing– including NUMMI– since the 1980s. He says even though Toyota was offering GM something quite remarkable– to teach a competitor its secrets, to show them exactly how Toyota achieved such phenomenal reliability– GM wasn’t that interested.

    Jeffrey Liker

    Some people in GM I think had some foresight to realize this is important. I think for many of the senior leaders, it was more, OK, well, maybe I’ll learn something, maybe I won’t, but it won’t hurt.

    Frank Langfitt

    Why wouldn’t they be really interested in the Toyota production system, because at that point, wasn’t Toyota building higher quality cars?

    Jeffrey Liker

    Toyota was building higher quality cars. I’m not sure it was 100% accepted at that time by senior management that Japanese quality was really better.

    Frank Langfitt

    Why?

    Jeffrey Liker

    I think there was pride and defensiveness. I’m proud because I’m the biggest automaker in the world, I’ve been the best, I’ve dominated the market. You can’t teach me anything, you little Japanese company.

    John Shook

    I’m John Shook. Toyota in Toyota City was completely Japanese when I joined them. I was the first non Japanese to join them as a regular employee in Toyota City.

    Frank Langfitt

    John Shook moved to Japan in the early 1980s because of his fascination with Japanese management techniques. He read books about them back home in east Tennessee. And he decided to fly halfway around the globe, learn to speak the language, and hunt for a job with the biggest Japanese company that would have him. Toyota hired him to train American workers in the joint venture.

    Now, here was the problem that pushed Toyota into the deal. They needed to learn how to build cars in America. For years, the Japanese had been winning away customers from Detroit, and the US Congress was threatening to restrict car imports. Toyota could avoid that by making cars in the US. But they wanted a partner. Here’s John Shook.

    John Shook

    Toyota was looking specifically for things they could learn. How can we work with American workers? How can we make sure that our management system can work in North America? And they’d been pretty happy just producing in Toyota City, doing a very good job, and the idea of actually taking their system and producing outside of Toyota City was scary to them.

    Frank Langfitt

    Toyota was right to be scared. Compared to Japan, where auto workers and management worked together, labor relations in America were more like war. And at the GM plant in Fremont, it felt at times like hand to hand combat.

    A former running back from the University of Arkansas named Bruce Lee ran the western region for the United Auto Workers, and was in charge of the Fremont Union Local 1364. Now normally, somebody like Bruce Lee is supposed to defend his union members no matter what. But even he says they were awful.

    Bruce Lee

    It was considered the worst workforce in the automobile industry in the United States. And it was a reputation that was well earned. Everything was a fight. They spent more time on grievances and on things like that than they did on producing cars. They had strikes all the time. It was just chaos constantly.

    Jeffrey Liker

    The Fremont, California plant for General Motors was bad by GM standards, and GM’s average was bad by Toyota standards, so this is the worst among the bad mediocre plants in GM.

    Frank Langfitt

    Again, that’s Jeffrey Liker, who’s interviewed workers and management at Fremont for his research.

    Jeffrey Liker

    One of the expressions was, you can buy anything you want in the GM plant in Fremont. If you want sex, if you want drugs, if you want alcohol, it’s there. During breaks, during lunch time, if you want to gamble illegally– any illegal activity was available for the asking within that plant.

    Frank Langfitt

    Sounds like prison.

    Jeffrey Liker

    Actually the analogy to prison is a good analogy. Because the workers were stuck there, because they could not find anything close to that level of job, and pay, and benefits, at their level of education and skill. So they were trapped there. And they also felt like, we have a job for life, and the union will always protect us. So we’re stuck here, and it’s long term, and then all these illegal things crop up so we can entertain ourselves while we’re stuck here.

    Rick Madrid

    A lot of booze on the line. I mean, it was just amazing– and as long as you did your job, they really didn’t care.

    Frank Langfitt

    What kind of booze, what were people drinking?

    Rick Madrid

    Whiskey, gin.

    Frank Langfitt

    That’s Rick Madrid. He began working at the plant in 1955. He mounted tires on Chevy trucks.

    Rick Madrid

    When I was mounting tires, we’d drink. You know, I’d bring a thermos of screwdrivers with me. But I never was into drugs.

    Frank Langfitt

    Sex?

    Rick Madrid

    Love it.

    Frank Langfitt

    Did you ever have sex at the plant?

    Rick Madrid

    Yeah.

    Frank Langfitt

    Frequently?

    Rick Madrid

    I wasn’t that fortunate.

    Peter Ross

    There was a guy in there, he would be selling the pot.

    Frank Langfitt

    Peter Ross repaired machinery on the assembly line at GM.

    Peter Ross

    I’d be walking through the plant with my tools and my radio. You see a big cloud of smoke, you don’t want to inhale it, you’d get a contact high.

    Frank Langfitt

    If you’re wondering how people kept their jobs, well, back then the UAW was still quite powerful. Under the union contract, it was almost impossible to fire anybody, and if management ticked off the union, workers could just shut the plant down in minutes.

    With that sort of leverage, absenteeism became absurd. On a normal day, one out of five workers just didn’t show up. It was even worse on Mondays. Billy Haggerty worked in hood and fender assembly. He says so few workers showed up some mornings, management couldn’t start the line.

    Billy Haggerty

    They brought a lot of people off the street to fill in when they didn’t have enough people.

    Frank Langfitt

    Who would they find?

    Billy Haggerty

    Right across the street to the bar and grab people out of there and bring them in.

    Frank Langfitt

    Workers filed grievances– formal complaints against management– over all kinds of things. Someone who isn’t your boss asks you to clean something up? Hit him with a grievance. A manager steps in to do a job that isn’t his? Grievance. The strategy was simple. Pile up grievances real or imagined by the thousands, then use them to squeeze money or concessions out of management.

      And Fremont workers struck back at their bosses in other ways. They’d intentionally screw up the vehicles. Put coke bottles or loose bolts inside the door panels so they’d rattle and annoy the customer. They’d scratch cars. Richard Aguilar inspected vehicles at the plant. He saw one guy do something even worse

    .

    Richard Aguilar

    He left some loose bolts on the front suspension. That was dangerous. I went and told the system manager right away. They went out there and they checked, and there was like 400 cars he had done that to. He was mad because they had suspended him for drinking.

    Frank Langfitt

    By 1982, GM had had enough and put the Fremont factory out of its misery. The company laid off thousands of workers and closed the plant. The next year, when GM and Toyota began planning to reopen the plant for the joint venture, there was one thing neither company wanted to do– hire the same union leaders who’d battled management and overseen GM’s worst workforce. Then the UAW’s Bruce Lee sat down with chairman Eiji Toyoda.

    Bruce Lee

    And one of the first things I said is, “I’ve got to hire the first 50 people.”

    Frank Langfitt

    So who did you hire?

    Bruce Lee

    The same leadership that was in the union before.

    Frank Langfitt

    Why? I thought you would try to get rid of them.

    Bruce Lee

    No, no, because I believed that it was the system that made it bad, not the people.

    Frank Langfitt

    GM was against it, but incredibly, Toyota agreed. Toyota execs believed their system would turn bad workers into good ones. Then Lee had to sell the plan to the rank and file. He held a meeting and told union members that Fremont would now be a Japanese style plant. Old seniority rules wouldn’t apply, life at the plant would be totally different. The workers hated all this.

    Bruce Lee

    They didn’t want anything changed. They wanted the plant to open exactly how it was when General Motors had it.

    Frank Langfitt

    Bad cars and all?

    Bruce Lee

    That’s what they wanted.

    Frank Langfitt

    They even hung Lee in effigy. But Lee had something very powerful on his side– most of the workers desperately needed jobs, and Lee had them. When NUMMI opened, over 85% of the workforce were old hands from GM Fremont. But to prepare them for that moment, in the spring of 1984, Toyota started flying them to Japan in groups of 30 to begin learning the Toyota system for making cars.

    John Shook

    Well, when the NUMMI workers first came to Japan, me, and certainly my Japanese bosses, had heard all these horrible things about the American worker, about the American union.

    Frank Langfitt

    As the one American working in Toyota City, John Shook helped design this training.

    John Shook

    We had certainly heard all these stories about the workforce there at the Fremont plant. And it was our job to show them a new, very different way of working. What would they do? How would they respond to this? How would they react? And no one knew. I didn’t know. So everyone was very, very nervous.

    Earl Ferguson

    I was kind of apprehensive about what I was going to see when I arrived in Japan.

    Frank Langfitt

    On one of those planes was Earl Ferguson. He’d been working for GM since 1964.

    Frank Langfitt

    What were you apprehensive about?

    Earl Ferguson

    Whether they were going to accept us or not, you know. How they’re going to react when the Americans landed in Tokyo. Everything was so new to us, you know, this is just a totally new experience.

    John Shook

    So I will never forget–

    Frank Langfitt

    Again, John Shook.

    John Shook

    Taking a bus, a large bus, with my small group of Japanese colleagues to pick up the first group of trainees arriving from Fremont. Television cameras were there because this was big news in Japan at the time.

    [SPEAKING JAPANESE]

    John Shook

    As they got off the plane, we had signs welcoming them.

    Earl Ferguson

    The news media was everywhere. We were signing autographs and taking pictures with all the young kids. Totally new experience.

    John Shook

    Most of them had never been out of the United States before. None of them, certainly, had ever been to Japan.

    Les Myers

    My name is Les Myers. I’ve worked at General Motors for 25 years. My hobbies are fishing and bowling.

    Japanese Auto Worker

    My name is [UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE]. My hobby’s softball.

    Frank Langfitt

    The narrator in this Japanese public television program points out that the American worker is nine years older than his Toyota trainer. He also notes for his Japanese viewers that the Americans are so much larger than the Japanese they waste a second or two more each time they get in and out of the vehicles they’re building, which makes them 10 to 15% less productive than their Asian counterparts.

    The key to the Toyota production system was a principle so basic it sounds like an empty management slogan– teamwork. Back home in Fremont, GM supervisors ordered around large groups of workers. The Takaoka plant, people were divided into teams of just four or five– switch jobs every few hours to relieve the monotony. And a team leader would step in to help whenever anything went wrong.

    Again, Professor Jeffrey Liker and Toyota’s John Shook.

    Jeffrey Liker

    And they spent about two weeks, and they worked in a Toyota plant.

    John Shook

    Hooked up at the hip with a counterpart in the Corolla plant– someone who did the exact same job you would be doing back in Fremont.

    Jeffrey Liker

    And they start to do the job, and they were pretty proud because they were building cars back in the United States, and they wanted to show they could do it within the time allotted, and they would usually get behind. And they would struggle, and they would try to catch up, and at some point, somebody would come over and say, do you want me to help? And that was a revelation, because nobody in the GM plant would ever ask to help. They would come yell at you because you got behind.

    John Shook

    Really, we wanted to give them a chance to see and experience a different way of doing things. We wanted them to see the culture there, the way people work together to solve problems.

    Jeffrey Liker

    Then the biggest surprise was, when they had those problems, afterwards, somebody would come up to them and say, what are your ideas for improvement so we don’t have that problem again?

    Frank Langfitt

    So they’d make suggestions for a different kind of tool that would be better for the job, or a different place for bolts and parts to sit that would be easier to reach.

    Jeffrey Liker

    They couldn’t believe that responsiveness. I can’t remember anytime in my working life where anybody asked for my ideas to solve the problem. And they literally want to know, and when I tell them, they listen, and then suddenly, they disappear and somebody comes back with the tool that I just described– it’s built– and they say, “Try this.”

    Frank Langfitt

    Under the Toyota system, when a worker makes a suggestion that saves money, he gets a bonus of a few hundred dollars or so. Everyone’s expected to be looking for ways to improve the production process, all the time. This is the Japanese concept of kaizen, or continuous improvement.

    And if you look around a Toyota plant, you can see the result of all those improvements. You see mats for workers to stand on, special cushions they throw into the car frames when they have to kneel inside, hanging shelves that travel along with the car and the worker, carrying parts and bolts they need within easy reach. Similarly, workers tasks have been streamlined to the fewest possible steps, each step timed down to the second.

    Billy Haggerty

    Two seconds to pick up a bolt and put it on. Two seconds to take a gun and tighten it down.

    Frank Langfitt

    Billy Haggerty learned the Japanese system two decades into his tenure at GM Fremont.

    Billy Haggerty

    Everything was timed out, such and such takes such and such long to do– that’s the way you did it. At General Motors, you could be running in circles for whatever you were doing, and that’s the way it is. You lose time. A car a minute don’t seem like it’s moving that fast, but when you don’t get it, you’re in the hole. There’s nobody to pull you out at General Motors, so you’re going to let something go.

    Frank Langfitt

    All those mistakes added up at a GM plant, and the results were littered around the lots outside– hundreds of misassembled cars. Cars that came off the line missing parts. Cars that needed to be fixed before they could be shipped out to the dealers. In a Toyota plant, there was nothing like this. Why did a GM plant produce so many screwed up cars? One cardinal rule that everybody in the company knew.

    Billy Haggerty

    The line could never stop. Never stop the line.

    Frank Langfitt

    Again, Billy Haggerty, Jeffrey Liker, Rick Madrid, and Bruce Lee.

    Billy Haggerty

    Someone had a heart attack, kick him out the way, keep that line running.

    Jeffrey Liker

    It was a basic sin. You’re violating the 10 commandments.

    Rick Madrid

    You just don’t see the line stop. I saw a guy fall in the pit and they didn’t stop the line.

    Bruce Lee

    You saw a problem, you stop that line, you were fired.

    Frank Langfitt

    A long time GM manager named Ernie Schaefer explained why.

    Ernie Schaefer

    Because the theory was, they’ll stop it all the time. They don’t want to work, you know, they want to sit and play cards or whatever. You know, that was a free break for them, if the line stops, so you wouldn’t give them the ability to stop the line.

    Frank Langfitt

    John Shook, the American who helped Toyota design its training program, says this all goes back to the first assembly line created by Henry Ford.

    John Shook

    What Henry Ford had basically designed was a system that– he wanted the people on the floor to simply get the volume out, get the product out the door, and someone later will worry about the quality. If we have to repair it, we’ll repair it.

    So one of the most fundamental things that Toyota did was take that and turn it on its head. So that now we tell the plant floor, don’t you worry about the production volume, you worry about quality. The last thing we want is to have a lot of defects flowing down the line that we have to repair later.

    Billy Haggerty

    Toyota’s philosophy was quality, not quantity.

    Frank Langfitt

    In his old GM job, Billy Haggerty put on hoods and fenders, and saw lots of mistakes go right down the line. So we had Monte Carlos with Regal front ends, and vice versa, and they would just stick it on, run it out to the yard, and then change.

    Frank Langfitt

    What did they look like, the cars?

    Billy Haggerty

    Half Regals and half– so those things would go out the door into the yard and be fixed out there. I did a lot of overtime in the yard changing things back.

    Frank Langfitt

    Workers told me they saw cars with engines put in backwards, cars without steering wheels or brakes. Some were so messed up they wouldn’t start, and had to be towed off the line. Fixing them piled on more costs, and sometimes, taking them apart and putting them back together, workers damaged them even more.

    On the floor of the NUMMI plant in Fremont, Earl Ferguson showed me Toyota’s solution to all this. It’s a thin nylon rope that hangs on hooks along the assembly line, which became a symbol of everything that was different about the Japanese way of making cars– the andon cord.

    Earl Ferguson

    These cords hanging down, that’s the andon cord. It will stop the line. If he pulls the andon cord, then this light’s going to come on, right here. Then it’ll show up on the screen that this location is down.

    Frank Langfitt

    It also plays a surprisingly cheerful little song. Workers in each area can pick the tune. You hear it all the time in a Toyota plant. The first pull doesn’t stop the line, it summons team leaders to the location. They try to correct the problem, and usually, they can do it quickly without stopping production. But if they fail, the line stops.

    Earl Ferguson

    Then they’ll correct the problem, then you can pull the andon cord again, and the line will start.

    Frank Langfitt

    Now when was the first time you ever pulled an andon cord?

    Earl Ferguson

    1984.

    Frank Langfitt

    Where did you do it?

    Earl Ferguson

    In Japan.

    Frank Langfitt

    Were you at all nervous, because you’d been taught for so many years never to stop the line?

    Earl Ferguson

    Yeah. And it was really exciting. What got me was the fact that they had a cross bolt, and they stopped the line to repair it. Ream the hole, put the bolt back in, instead of sending it on and putting all the other junk on top of it, so you have to take it off and repair it. And whoever puts it back isn’t skilled in putting trim back, so they’re going to mess that up.

    That impressed me. Said, gee, that makes sense, fix it now so you don’t have to go through all this stuff. That’s when it dawned on me that we can do it– one bolt. One bolt changed my attitude.

    Jeffrey Liker

    I think that there was a combination of feelings. One feeling was, wow, this is different.

    Frank Langfitt

    Again, that’s industrial engineering professor Jeffrey Liker.

    Jeffrey Liker

    Another feeling was of embarrassment. We’ve been in this industry for how many years– my whole adult life– we’re Americans, we’re supposed to be the best, most important country in the world, and we can’t build a quality car. And these Japanese are doing it. And there was a sense of hurt pride.

    Earl Ferguson

    Well, it was kind of, you become a little bit ashamed, because why couldn’t we do that?

    Frank Langfitt

    Again, Earl Ferguson.

    Earl Ferguson

    You know, I think most of it was pride after that. We wanted to be able to compete with what I saw in Japan. I said, I know we can do what they can do.

    John Shook

    Only two weeks later when that first group left to go back to Fremont–

    Frank Langfitt

    Toyota trainer, John Shook.

    John Shook

    We had a party, of course, a sushi party– and this was years ago, before sushi was as it is now. It was still a rare thing, of course. And people were crying on both sides. You had union workers– grizzled old folks that had worked on the plant floor for 30 years, and they were hugging their Japanese counterparts, just absolutely in tears.

    Frank Langfitt

    There’s actually footage of this, though we don’t know if it’s the first group of Americans. US workers are in kimonos with the Toyota name on them. And they hand their neckties to the Japanese and hug. One man is crying.

    [SPEAKING JAPANESE]

    One of the Americans says, in Japanese, “Thanks to you all, we now feel confident for our success.” John Shook.

    John Shook

    And it might sound flowery to say 25 years later, but they had had such a powerful emotional experience of learning a new way of working, a way that people could actually work together collaboratively– as a team. We knew it wasn’t going to be easy– there were a lot of hurdles to overcome– but there was no question in anyone’s mind that this was going to work.

    Frank Langfitt

    But if it was going to work, it would mean a radically different relationship between workers and management. One where the managers trusted the workers to let them pull the andon cord and stop the line. One where the workers trusted their bosses enough to ask for help when there were problems.

    American Auto Worker

    With teamwork, we can do it all. [? Now let’s hold up your hands, and together– with teamwork, we can do it all.

    Frank Langfitt

    December, 1984, the first car rolled off the assembly line in Fremont, a yellow Chevy Nova. UAW rep Joel Smith was one of the speakers.

    Joel Smith

    Mr. Toyoda, staff, and fellow UAW members, today is a historic one– the first car. But we’re also on the threshold of a new adventure and relationship between labor and management. For too long, the American worker has been maligned, criticized, called bad names, for building lousy products. Poor quality American worker.

    At New United Motor, we will build a quality car, and we will only build a quality car. And Mr. Toyoda, if you would please deliver this challenge to our friends in Japan, we intend to build the best quality car in the world. Thank you.

    Bruce Lee

    They hit the ground running. It didn’t take a year, two years, to get quality in that product.

    Frank Langfitt

    Again, the UAW’s Bruce Lee.

    Bruce Lee

    Oh, I was so proud of them, you can’t even believe. The fact that they did it didn’t surprise me that much, but how quickly they did it did. It was amazing. Here was these same people, who before– I mean, hell, they’d go out of their way to make life miserable for General Motors particularly. And, you know, they were old, they were fat. Because that was not a young workforce that we brought in there.

    Frank Langfitt

    The numbers coming out of the NUMMI plant were astonishing. Again, here’s Jeffrey Liker.

    Jeffrey Liker

    The best measure they use is how many defects are there per 100 vehicles. And it was one of the best in America, and it was for the same for the Toyota cars that were made in California as the Corollas that were coming from Japan– right from the beginning.

    Maryann Keller, a long time car analyst, devotes a chapter to NUMMI in her book about the rise and fall of GM, Rude Awakening. After just three months, she says, the cars coming off the line were getting near perfect quality ratings. And just as important for GM were the cost savings. One study suggested, remarkably, it would probably take 50% more workers under the old system to build the same car.

    Grievances and absenteeism plummeted, and lots of workers preferred the NUMMI teamwork system to the old combative one at GM. Several told us they enjoyed coming to work for the first time.

    Rick Madrid

    I didn’t want to tell people I worked at the Chevy truck plant, because a lot of people had a lot of problems with them.

    Frank Langfitt

    That’s Rick Madrid, who spent 17 years at the old Fremont plant building Chevy trucks. He was ashamed of that vehicle. At NUMMI, making the Nova, he felt differently.

    Rick Madrid

    Oh I had a stack of these postcards, and I would just drive around, if I see a Nova parked, I would put one of these under the windshield wiper. Of course, it had my name, my address on it, and your opinion of the Nova. And just basically, they dropped me a line. And a lot of people did this.

    Frank Langfitt

    And what did they say?

    Rick Madrid

    Some said they really liked it, a quality car, a good car.

    Frank Langfitt

    Another worker told me he’d go to the Chevy dealership to stare at the Novas. He didn’t tell anyone he built them, or that he worked at NUMMI. He just liked seeing what the cars looked like, sitting there on the lot.

    Ira Glass

    That’s NPR’s Frank Langfitt. Coming up, so there’s this great way of making cars, GM is using it in California. Not only are the cars more reliable, they’re cheaper to make. Seems like a no-brainer for GM– start putting this way of producing cars into their other factories everywhere, and declare victory. Why they didn’t do that, why what happened at NUMMI stayed at NUMMI for so long, that’s in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.

    Act Two.

    Ira Glass

    It’s This American Life, I’m Ira Glass. If you’re just tuning in, we’re in the middle of a story about a car plant in Fremont, California, called NUMMI. We now turn to the question, why was it so hard for GM to replicate NUMMI elsewhere in the company. In the first half of our story, we heard a lot from workers who are on the factory floor. In this half of the story, the action moves to their bosses– the supervisors at GM, who had a chance to turn the company around with what they learned at NUMMI. Again, here’s NPR’s Frank Langfitt.

    Frank Langfitt

    GM had gotten the first thing it wanted out of NUMMI– a high quality small car. Now the question was, how could it spread the lessons of NUMMI throughout the rest of the company? To do that, it set up a special liaison office. Managers were flown in for tours, to work the assembly line for a few days, to learn the team concept.

    And from the beginning, GM executives sent 16 of their rising stars to help start NUMMI, with the idea that later they’d come home and change the company. Two Wall Street Journal reporters later dubbed them the NUMMI commandos. One of the 16 was Mark Hogan. He says the top brass understood NUMMI’s game changing potential– that a Toyota style plant squeezed many more cars out of far fewer workers.

    Mark Hogan

    If General Motors was able to take its many manufacturing facilities and implement that production system, each of those little changes adds up to billions to General Motors in the bottom line.

    Steve Bera

    We were ready, we were fired, and we had the mental condition that says, we’re going to do this, we’re going to change the world.

    Frank Langfitt

    That’s Steve Bera, another commando. He says once NUMMI was up and running, he and the other 15 waited to be deployed elsewhere for the next phase of their mission. But the company didn’t seem to know what to do with them.

    Steve Bera

    Instead of coming back to the 16 of us and saying, there’s some secret sauce here, what is it? How can we use this to our advantage? No one ever asked us that question.

    Frank Langfitt

    Why didn’t they do that?

    Steve Bera

    It was never part of a master plan. And if there was a master plan, none of us ever saw it.

    Frank Langfitt

    Frustrated, Steve Bera quit after just two years at NUMMI. With no master plan from Detroit, the first real attempt to do NUMMI again came from a factory manager 400 miles south of Fremont, at a plant in Van Nuys. The factory was facing a possible shut down.

    Its manager, a guy named Ernie Schaefer, had visited NUMMI, and he thought maybe he could save his plant if he adopted the Japanese system. But he didn’t have all the advantages Fremont had– this time, Toyota wasn’t a partner in the experiment. GM had to transform Van Nuys on its own. Ernie Schaefer knew it was going to be tough.

    Ernie Schaefer

    The thing that I think kept us moving forward is we had no alternative. I mean, it was pretty well known that if we didn’t successfully implement this philosophy in Van Nuys, we weren’t going to be around.

    Frank Langfitt

    Van Nuys made Firebirds and Camaros, and its reputation wasn’t much better than GM Fremont’s had been. Defective cars coming off the line, battles with the union, sabotage. So Ernie Schaefer enlisted the same UAW leader who got the union on board at NUMMI, Bruce Lee, to help him win over the Van Nuys workforce.

    They shut down the plant for two weeks to train everyone in team concept and quality control. For this workforce, there were no trips to Japan, no tearful sushi parties, and from the start, workers were skeptical.

    Larry Spiegel

    The lack of receptiveness to change was so deep–

    Frank Langfitt

    Larry Spiegel was another NUMMI commando. He moved down to Van Nuys to help launch the Japanese system there.

    Larry Spiegel

    There were too many people convinced that they didn’t need to have to change.

    Frank Langfitt

    Hadn’t General Motors threatened to close the plant?

    Larry Spiegel

    They didn’t believe it.

    Frank Langfitt

    Why?

    Larry Spiegel

    It’s not logical. They just didn’t.

    Frank Langfitt

    This was one of the biggest differences between Fremont and Van Nuys. Van Nuys hadn’t been shut down. Turns out, it’s a lot easier to get workers to change if they’ve lost their jobs and then you offer them back. Without that, many union members just saw the Toyota system as a threat.

    And they had a point. Under the Japanese system, Van Nuys stood to lose a fourth of its workforce, because the more efficient a plant becomes, the fewer workers it needs. And just as bad, the team concept hurt their seniority rights. This had been a problem for union members back at NUMMI also.

    Richard Aguilar

    Seniority is what you work for. To me, that’s what a union’s about, seniority.

    Frank Langfitt

    Richard Aguilar worked at NUMMI, and to him, seniority was just another way of saying fairness. He waited 15 years to get enough seniority for the job he’d always wanted in the plant. Under the new system, management could just hire someone off the street for that job. The whole idea of seniority placing you into one great job for years was impossible under the team concept. Workers had to learn every job on their team and take turns doing those jobs.

    Richard Aguilar

    And the team concept, it sounds good– I mean, team player sounds good. But it pit worker against worker, it really does.

    Frank Langfitt

    This was the other thing Richard hated about the Japanese system. The whole point of a union, its most basic principle, was to protect you from management. But once people were working in teams, Richard says, union members started doing things for management that just seemed wrong.

    Richard Aguilar

    People now snitched on each other. You know, they’d point fingers, oh, he’s not doing his job right, you know, or she’s not doing the job right. And they would even keep track of the stuff they’d missed. Because that’s what the company puts in them, that the only way you can protect your job, you have to keep the team strong, so if there’s a weak link, you’ve got to get rid of that weak link.

    And I would go tell them, you can’t do that. You can’t build a case for management against another union member. It made me angry and disappointed that the union had gone so backwards that they forgot what a union meant– taking care of each other.

    Frank Langfitt

    At Van Nuys, it wasn’t just union members who resisted the Japanese system. Managers didn’t like it either. They had their own privileges to protect. Some opposed the idea of stopping the assembly line because their bonuses depended on the number of cars that rolled off that line– never mind how many defects they had.

    And under the team concept, executives and workers all share the same cafeteria and parking lot. Managers at NUMMI didn’t have a problem with that, but the managers at Van Nuys?

    Bruce Lee

    They rioted.

    Frank Langfitt

    The UAW’s Bruce Lee remembers getting a phone call from plant supervisor Ernie Schaefer about his managers.

    Bruce Lee

    They’d basically told Ernie, you do that and we’re out of here. We’re going to quit en masse. Because Ernie called me, he said, “Bruce, I can’t do it. I can’t do it. I can’t do those things.” I said, “Just think about it, that’s a nothing. So they have to walk 20 yards more.” I said, “Isn’t that foolish that some grown man would come up and tell you, I’m going to quit if I can’t have this parking place right here.”

    Frank Langfitt

    So people fought the new system from both sides. Managers gave Ernie grief, and a dissident faction sprang up in the local union, which elected a staunch opponent of the Japanese system as their chairman. And as if that all wasn’t enough, Ernie Schaefer ran into another obstacle. Workers could only build cars as good as the parts they were given. At NUMMI, many of the parts came from Japan, and were really good. At Van Nuys, it was totally different.

    Ernie Schaefer

    That was perhaps one of our biggest failures, in that an isolated plant can’t do this by itself.

    Frank Langfitt

    The team concept stressed continuous improvement. If the team got a shipment of parts that didn’t fit, they were supposed to alert their bosses, who would then go to suppliers and engineers to fix the problem. All the departments in the company worked together.

    But Ernie’s suppliers had never operated in a system like that. If he asked for fixes, they blew him off. And if he called Detroit and asked them to redesign a part that wasn’t working, they’d ask him why he was so special– they didn’t have to change it for any other plant, why should they change it for him?

    Ernie Schaefer

    You had asked the question earlier, what’s different when you walk into the NUMMI plant? Well, you can see a lot of things different. But the one thing you don’t see is the system that supports the NUMMI plant. I don’t think, at that time, anybody understood the large nature of this system.

    General Motors was a kind of throw it over the wall organization. Each department, we were very compartmentalized, and you design that vehicle, and you’d throw it over the wall to the manufacturing guys.

    Frank Langfitt

    And if something didn’t work, or was impossible to assemble, that was their problem.

    Ernie Schaefer

    And they had to deal with it. And you’re in there, you’ve kind of put your heart and soul into making this whole team concept work, and now you’re the messenger that has to go out and say, “Look guys, even though this is the way the system’s supposed to work, and these are my issues, I’m not going to be able to solve them, and you’re going to have deal with it.” And it was destructive, it was detrimental, I mean, no question about it.

    Frank Langfitt

    Schaefer says, when he realized how much of the Japanese system happened off the factory floor, it answered something that had never quite made sense to him– why had Toyota been so open with GM in showing its operations?

    Ernie Schaefer

    You know, they never prohibited us from walking through the plant, understanding, even asking questions of some of their key people. I’ve often puzzled over that– why they did that. And I think they recognized, we were asking all the wrong questions. We didn’t understand this bigger picture thing.

    All of our questions were focused on the floor, the assembly plant, what’s happening on the line. That’s not the real issue. The issue is, how do you support that system with all the other functions that have to take place in the organization?

    Frank Langfitt

    Quality at Van Nuys didn’t improve, and in 1992, GM shut the plant down for good, leaving 2,600 people without jobs.

    This is what the NUMMI commandos were up against– entrenched, defensive bureaucracies and workers many of the places they turned. They were not only trying to change the biggest corporation in the world, they were trying to change a corporation that had been essentially a collection of individual car companies– Cadillac, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Buick– each with its own design team, own leadership, and its own way of doing things.

    Dick Fuller

    It’s a whole new process, a whole different process than the one they’d grown up with. And it was a huge–

    Frank Langfitt

    Dick Fuller was another commando. He ran the information technology division at NUMMI, which used some of the same streamlining concepts employed on the factory floor. He says when GM managers visited NUMMI, instead of trying to figure out how they could benefit from the system, some of them attacked it. Fuller remembers one IT manager who visited from a plant on the East Coast.

    Dick Fuller

    And when he came back, he wrote a report, which if I put a title on it, would say, won’t work here. And I think part of that was a threat to him. It was a threat to him to see that that was working so well.

    Frank Langfitt

    Do you think this guy looked at this and said, well, if this works here and they try to spread it, I’ll lose my job?

    Dick Fuller

    Well, I don’t think he was going to lose his job, but he could lose some of his– you know, he’d probably have to give up half his staff. You know, that’s power. People is power in General Motors.

    Frank Langfitt

    Getting all these mini empires to embrace the kinds of radical changes that happened at NUMMI would have taken an almost Stalinesque leadership from above– a combination of charisma and fury in the corner office. And NUMMI commando Mark Hogan says no one at GM fit that bill.

    Mark Hogan

    I was very convinced that we had to change, and we had to change rapidly, and I think all of us that were NUMMI alums, so to speak, were frustrated at the lack of urgency.

    Frank Langfitt

    Did you have those kinds of conversations with people in the ’80s back in Detroit?

    Mark Hogan

    I did.

    Frank Langfitt

    What would people say to you?

    Mark Hogan

    Yeah, I think there still wasn’t a recognition that the– the formidability of the competition, particularly from Toyota. I think a lot of people were in denial, or just not willing to recognize it. And even though GM had gone from 50% market share in the early ’70s, to mid 30s, it was gradual over time and there wasn’t this sense of reaction or urgency that other companies that lost that much market share might have felt.

    Frank Langfitt

    Those exact numbers– GM went from 47% of the US market in the mid 1970s to 35% a decade later. One reason car execs were in denial was Detroit’s insular culture. Yes, unions and management were always at each other’s throats, and yes, GM and its suppliers had a destructive relationship that seemed to almost discourage quality, but everyone had settled into comfortable roles in this dysfunctional system and learned to live with it. And in the late 1980s, with their market share in free fall, Jeffrey Liker says they were more apt to blame others than themselves.

    Jeffrey Liker

    I worked with all the big three at the time, automakers, and it was common in all three automakers. They all believed that if the consumers think we have quality problems, it’s because Consumer Reports is misleading them, and they’re biased toward Toyota. They all believed that Consumer Reports was against them, that there was somewhat of a myth of Japanese quality.

    Frank Langfitt

    If all of that wasn’t enough to stymie attempts to learn from NUMMI, GM was distracted by other projects– massive projects. It bought Ross Perot’s company, Electronic Data Systems. It bought Hughes Aircraft for $5 billion. It decided the future was robotics. It decided the future was a massive, costly reorganization. It started Saturn, which produced cars that were better marketed than they were built. Then came the 1991 recession– car sales slumped. Again, Mark Hogan.

    Mark Hogan

    It was really its first significant wake up call. GM unfortunately had a massive loss, 1992– General Motors lost more than $20 billion. So I think at that point in time, there was a complete rethinking of the way we ran the company– that thing’s had to change, and they had to change fast.

    Frank Langfitt

    It was the largest loss in American corporate history to that time– $23.5 billion. GM’s board of directors responded with what the press called a boardroom blood bath, purging a long list of managers. Jack Smith took over as CEO. He was the executive who’d led the negotiations with Toyota to create NUMMI. He saw NUMMI as a way forward for GM. Mark Hogan and some of the other commandos felt they finally had a champion.

    Mark Hogan

    Jack Smith was installed, and started to rapidly implement the Toyota production system into General Motors.

    Frank Langfitt

    Rapidly by GM’s standards, which wasn’t nearly rapidly enough. Jack Smith declined to talk to me for this story, but he told a reporter a few years ago, “I just wish it had happened a lot faster than it did.” Pick your nautical cliche– reforming General Motors was like turning around a battleship, one manager said. Another compared it to steering the Titanic with a canoe paddle.

    Jeffrey Liker says the cultural gap between NUMMI and the rest of GM was so vast that even with clear marching orders to change, some of the people running the company didn’t know where to begin.

    Jeffrey Liker

    There was no vocabulary, even, to explain it. So I remember, one of the GM managers was ordered, from a very senior level– came from vice president– to make a GM plant look like NUMMI. And he said, “I want you to go there with cameras and take a picture of every square inch. And whatever you take a picture of, I want it to look like that in our plant. There should be no excuse for why we’re different than NUMMI, why our quality is lower, why our productivity isn’t as high, because you’re going to copy everything you see.”

    Immediately, this guy knew that was crazy. We can’t copy employee motivation, we can’t copy good relationships between the union and management. That’s not something you can copy, and you can’t even take a photograph of it.

    Frank Langfitt

    The first round of changes put andon cords and Japanese style inventory control into the GM plants. But there was no change in the culture. Workers and managers continued their old antagonistic ways. In some of the factories where they installed the andon cord, workers got yelled at when they pulled it. A few plants even cut the cords down.

    So the second round of changes included some team concepts. They put together a book explaining how each plant should run, and the reasoning behind it. Geoff Weller was one of the people dispatched in the 1990s to convert the company plant by plant. Weller says some factory managers were receptive, but in the sprawling, decentralized system, the plant manager was still king and ran the factory the way he wanted.

    Geoff Weller

    We had some tough goes in some of our facilities, where we spent more time trying to convince the plant leadership, versus actually going on and doing the implementation. I would say– I was asked in one plant to leave, because they were not interested in what I had to sell.

    Frank Langfitt

    How did he actually ask you to leave? What’d he say?

    Geoff Weller

    We’re finished, and you can leave.

    Frank Langfitt

    And what did you do?

    Geoff Weller

    I left. Because, you know, I was in his home, so to speak– his territory, his plant.

    Frank Langfitt

    Now, whatever happened to that plant manager who asked you to leave?

    Geoff Weller

    That plant manager eventually retired.

    Frank Langfitt

    This may sound like a naive question, but why didn’t the CEO pick up the phone and say, you’re fired?

    Geoff Weller

    Well, it’s a big company, and I’m not sure that– it doesn’t work that way.

    Frank Langfitt

    Lots of people in GM still didn’t see the need to change. By the late 1990s, the company was posting huge profits selling trucks and SUVs, which made the loss in market share seem less urgent. To make real progress, managers had to leave the United States. One overhauled GM Germany. Mark Hogan took over GM Brazil in 1994 to enact NUMMI principles there. In Brazil, he had a big unionized workforce, but he could avoid GM’s bureaucracy, its supplier network, and the United Auto Workers.

    Frank Langfitt

    How long did it take you to implement the lessons of NUMMI in Brazil?

    Mark Hogan

    It took us about 18 to 24 months, which at the time I was quite impatient about. I mean, I wanted it faster.

    Frank Langfitt

    And what did that mean for the bottom line for GM?

    Mark Hogan

    Well, in that time frame, particularly ’94 though ’97, GM Brazil was one of the most profitable entities within GM.

    Frank Langfitt

    But in America, everyone I talked to said it took about a decade and a half after NUMMI for change to even begin to take hold at GM. By the year 2000, GM finally started to see a generational transformation. Jeffrey Liker says, so many managers had come through NUMMI for training, for a day, or a week, or a year.

    Jeffrey Liker

    Over time, you start to get 10 people, 20 people, 100 people, 300 people, and you now have a critical mass of people in GM who’ve all been in NUMMI, they’ve lived it. Now they’re managing people and teaching them what they learned, and it snowballs, and suddenly the world is different in GM, and nobody can even tell you exactly why.

    Frank Langfitt

    By the early 2000s, GM had developed a production model with the UAW based on Japanese principles that would go into all of its plants. It was called the global manufacturing system. And although GM quality still lags behind the imports, it’s improved a lot. Again, Jeffrey Liker.

    Jeffrey Liker

    If you look carefully at the quality of a GM product, and you look with a fine tooth comb, with a magnifying glass, you’re going to see a level of quality that you didn’t see 15 years ago.

    Frank Langfitt

    You want to show me for a sec, do you mind? There’s one right here.

    I did my interview with Jeffrey Liker at this year’s Detroit Auto Show. And we walked over to the GM exhibit, to the Cadillac SRX, which is a small SUV. Jeffrey pointed to the gap between the door and the car frame, which is supposed to be uniform.

    Jeffrey Liker

    And if we look down here, it looks really good. The gap is about the same between the front and the back door, the surface is very smooth and very uniform.

    Frank Langfitt

    And 15 years ago, what would that have looked like?

    Jeffrey Liker

    You would see, maybe at the top, it would be more narrow than at the bottom. If you look inside the car and you open the glove box, it falls very gradually down, the way it’s supposed to. You close it– I barely have to touch it and it closes tightly.

    Frank Langfitt

    Precision in all these details makes for a better looking, more reliable car, where things work like they’re supposed to. But this improvement didn’t come soon enough. Some cars and some plants improved less quickly than others. And while GM was getting better, so were its competitors, leaving it still near the back of the pack.

    James Womack

    Well, one of the ironies of GM was that at the moment it went bankrupt, it was probably a better company than it had ever been.

    Frank Langfitt

    That’s James Womack, co-author of a seminal book comparing the Toyota and GM production systems, The Machine that Changed the World.

    James Womack

    In the factories, they had really dramatically closed the productivity gap that they had had for many, many years. And on the new products, they have much better quality. So that the company that failed was actually doing better than it had ever done. But it was too late, and that’s really sort of hard to forgive– that if you take 30 years to figure it out, chances are you’re going to get run over. And they got run over.

    Frank Langfitt

    In the end, what did them in was the 2008 recession. It destroyed the car market, and next year, General Motors became the largest industrial bankruptcy in US history. Its bailout cost taxpayers more than $50 billion. I asked Mark Hogan, the NUMMI commando who went on to run GM’s small car division in North America, if GM had adopted NUMMI earlier, could it have really changed all that?

    Mark Hogan

    Definitely. I think if General Motors had moved in the late ’80s to implement this system across the board, it may very well have saved GM from going into bankruptcy.

    Frank Langfitt

    Explain that.

    Mark Hogan

    Well, I just think the productivity and the quality changes that come with that would have been so profound that this ever increasing loss of market share would have been stopped.

    Bruce Lee

    Well, I think they’d have been building a higher quality product.

    Frank Langfitt

    Again, the UAW’s Bruce Lee.

    Bruce Lee

    You know, they sold junk for a while. Just any kind of piece of crap they could roll out there, they did. And they paid a tremendous price for it, and even when they turned the corner in quality, people didn’t trust them. They’d say, well, gee, they’re building a good car now, why aren’t they buying them? Because they don’t trust them.

    But had they adopted and embraced the team concept in an honest way– we’re going to do this– I think it might have dramatically changed what happened in the American auto industry. There’s no question in my mind.

    Frank Langfitt

    Of course, quality and reliability weren’t the only problems that brought GM down. Executives made other big mistakes. Over the years, General Motors negotiated contracts with the UAW with such generous health care coverage that by 2007, it amounted to more than $1,600 for each vehicle GM produced in North America.

    And initially, some GM executives dismissed hybrid cars, like the Prius, as a publicity stunt. Instead, they bet the company on SUVs and trucks, only to see sales crash when gas hit four bucks a gallon.

    One odd twist to this story– over the last decade, as GM became more like Toyota, Toyota became a little bit like GM. In 2008, they took over the title from GM of the world’s largest car maker. But Toyota executives now say the company did this by making one of GM’s old mistakes– stressing quantity over quality.

    Akio Toyoda is the company’s CEO. He’s the grandson of the founder, and he cut his teeth at NUMMI. In a congressional hearing last month about Toyota’s sudden acceleration problem, he said the company’s crucial mistake was growing too fast.

    Akio Toyoda

    We pursued growth over the speed at which we are able to develop our people and our organization. And I am deeply sorry for any accident that Toyota drivers have experienced.

    Frank Langfitt

    It was 15 years before GM took the lessons of NUMMI seriously, and they spent the next 10 years slowly implementing what it learned. And all the time, the NUMMI plant kept pumping out vehicles– 6,000 a week on average, two shifts a day. Toyota got what it wanted out of the deal. A year after starting NUMMI, it began opening other factories around the US using what it had learned in Fremont.

    GM and Toyota continued to run NUMMI together, until 2009 when GM went bankrupt and pulled out, leaving Toyota to run the plant alone. Now Toyota has decided to pull out of the plant. It’s their only unionized plant in the United States. Next Thursday, NUMMI will produce its very last car, a Corolla. 4,500 people will lose their jobs. This is the first factory Toyota has shut down since it was founded 73 years ago.

    John Shook

    Toyota is not perfect. GM is not perfect. But I think anyone who touched NUMMI will never forget it.

    Frank Langfitt

    One last time, that’s John Shook, the first American Toyota hired for NUMMI.

    John Shook

    It does represent something that was special at a point in time. It was a laboratory. My learning curve, it wasn’t just a curve, it was a 90 degree right angle. I loved every minute of it. And almost every one, I think you’ll talk to, who worked on NUMMI will say the same thing.

    Rick Madrid

    I’m so fortunate that I ended my career in the auto industry at NUMMI.

    Frank Langfitt

    Rick Madrid retired from the assembly line in 1992.

    Rick Madrid

    I just hate to see the plant close– oh, that just hurts me. End of an era. It changed my life from being depressed, bored– and like my son said, it changed my attitude. It changed me all for the better. I really hate to see it go.

    Billy Haggerty

    I look at cars, and I see a lot of the cars that we built.

    Frank Langfitt

    That’s Billy Haggerty, who ended up putting in 18 years at NUMMI without a vacation day. He says just the other day he saw one.

    Billy Haggerty

    I just seen a– what was it– ’86, ’87 Corolla, pulled in right over around this corner here. I was heading for the bank, and I just looked at it, said, boy, that one’s old. I looked down, it was a Corolla. I know we built it, right there. It’s still running. It’s still kicking. It feels good.

    Frank Langfitt

    This is also NUMMI’s legacy. In the end, it’s not just a symbol for so many things that went wrong with GM. It’s also a really good car plant– one that turned out nearly 8 million high quality cars and trucks.

    Ira Glass

    Frank Langfitt is NPR’s automotive correspondent.

    Frank Langfitt’s story about NUMMI was produced by me and Brian Reed. NPR’s Uri Berliner helped us edit it. Our show today was produced by Lisa Pollak, with Alex Blumberg, Jane Feltes, Sarah Koenig, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike. Our senior producer is Julie Snyder. Old Japanese TV footage in today’s show comes from NHK in Tokyo.

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    Bruce Lee

    Because that was not a young workforce. And, you know, they were old, they were fat.

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    I’m Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.

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    #56608
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    Is Jeff Fisher’s extension with the Rams still on the table?

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/31478/is-jeff-fishers-extension-with-the-rams-still-on-the-table

    It seems like forever since the Los Angeles Rams played an actual football game. But they’re back in a normal practice week now, getting set to host Carolina on Sunday for what will be their first true home game in nearly a month. Late Tuesday afternoon, they will hold their first official practice in six days. Before that, I answered some of your lingering questions, touching on the three essential topics for this team: Jared Goff versus Case Keenum, Jeff Fisher’s extension and Todd Gurley’s production.

    @HoldenCantor
    @Alden_Gonzalez any chance fisher is trying to hide that Goff will actually be the starter vs the panthers?

    Sure, there is always that chance. But I wouldn’t bet on it. Goff took first-team reps last week because of the bye, then said he feels “tremendously more comfortable than I’ve ever felt” and added that he is “confident that if my number’s called, I’ll be ready to go.” But Fisher has repeatedly said he is sticking with Keenum, who has the NFL’s lowest Total QBR and just threw four interceptions in the Rams’ third straight loss on Oct. 23. There can really only be two reasons for this …

    There is something Goff simply isn’t showing the Rams, and because it’s so difficult to judge a quarterback based on limited scout-team reps, you’d have to think it largely stems from the classroom. One thing Keenum does have is a good feel for the way this offense operates. But Fisher recently stated that the Rams wouldn’t simplify the offense to accommodate Goff, because Goff has “that good of a feel for what we’re doing.” So there’s that.

    Fisher is hell-bent on sticking to his plan heading into the season, which seemingly called for Goff to use his entire rookie year to learn as a backup. Goff entered the NFL having not called a play from the huddle or taken a snap from under center. Also, he was 22 years and 18 days old as of Tuesday morning. Carson Wentz (23 years and 307 days old), Dak Prescott (23 years and 95 days) and Cody Kessler (23 years and 174 days) are all older.

    If a change at quarterback is going to occur, this is the time to do it, because it’s a bye week and because three of the Rams’ next four opponents — the Panthers, Jets and Saints — rank within the bottom four in passing yards allowed per game. If Fisher doesn’t change his mind this week, it probably means Goff won’t start unless the Rams completely fall out of it in the final weeks.

    Steven Wise @StevenWise89
    @Alden_Gonzalez What’s holding up Jeff Fisher’s long rumored contract extension?

    Eight NFL weeks have passed, and still there has been no announcement on an extension for Fisher (or general manager Les Snead, for that matter). It’s odd. Talks were reported dating back to February, parameters were reportedly in place as recently as late September. But now it’s November, and Fisher still has lame-duck status. Timing and public perception appear to be a major reason for that. The Rams are in a new market, with a fan base that they have to win over, and announcing an extension for Fisher would not have gone over well following the season-opening 28-0 drubbing or the three straight losses that spilled into the bye week.

    Fisher’s extension might be on hold until the end of the season, and by that point, who knows which direction the Rams’ brass will go. Fisher and Snead have earned respect from the higher-ups for the way they turned the franchise around following a five-year stretch in which it compiled 15 wins from 2007-11. Stan Kroenke is said to believe his team is headed in the right direction because of the work Fisher and Snead have done since arriving in 2012. But the Rams have not finished above .500 since 2003 and don’t seem poised to do so this season, either. Their head coaching position would be a highly coveted one if they leave it open after the season.

    Andrew Edling @AEDLING
    @Alden_Gonzalez when/how will the rams make the corrections needed to unleash Gurley’s potential

    I’m not sure how much more they can do. This is far more a case of opposing teams not respecting the Rams’ passing attack and the offensive line not doing a good enough job up front. Perhaps some of the blame also lies with Gurley, who isn’t necessarily the most patient of runners. From a play-calling standpoint, the Rams have run the Wildcat with Gurley twice — already one more than all of last season — and have lined him up on the outside as a receiver on several occasions. In seven games, Gurley has the same amount of receptions (21) that he had in 13 as a rookie last season.

    Now, I would like to see the Rams set up more screen passes for Gurley, who has caught only four of those. And it would be nice to see him have more runs where he is bouncing it to the outside as opposed to fighting between the tackles. But it’s hard to do that when you’re averaging 1.34 yards before first contact, the lowest rate in the NFL. Gurley has rushed for only 403 yards (ranked 21st) despite getting 134 carries (eighth-most). He averaged a much-improved (but still pedestrian) 3.97 yards per carry over his past two games, but only compiled 29 attempts in that span.

    For some reason, the Rams mostly went away from Gurley in the second half of those games, even though the score remained close.

    They have to stay committed to the running game.

    #56458
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    who knows. he might be ready now. he definitely wasn’t ready week 1. but he might be ready now.

    i also think this is a case of his skill set being so good that they were willing to be patient even though wentz was the more productive ready qb or maybe they underestimated the fact that he came from a pro style offense.

    and maybe this is also just a case of fisher’s philosophy being that he is going to bring them along slowly. i think he has a history of doing that in general.

    in any case… start him already…

    hehe.

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