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October 18, 2018 at 2:54 am #92503
JackPMillerParticipantEmbarrassing that we are 14th in attendance. Our Offense has a lot of flash and dash with lots of flare to it. Plus, the team is undefeated right now.
Report: Chargers PSL Sales ‘A Struggle’; NFL to Discuss Team’s Viability in LA
Mike Chiari
October 17, 2018NFL owners and executives have reportedly discussed the Chargers’ long-term viability in Los Angeles at this week’s league meetings.
According to Seth Wickersham of ESPN The Magazine, it has been a “struggle” for the Chargers to sell personal seat licenses for Los Angeles Stadium at Hollywood Park in Inglewood, California.
Wickersham added the Chargers are likely to revise their revenue goals from $400 million to $150 million as a result.
The Chargers played their inaugural season in Los Angeles in 1960 before moving to San Diego and staying there for the next 55 years.
Following the 2016 season, the Chargers relocated back to L.A.
Since the move, the Bolts have played their home games at the StubHub Center in Carson, California, which holds only 27,000 people.
The Chargers will be co-tenants with the Los Angeles Rams in Inglewood beginning in 2020.
Unlike the Rams, the Chargers seemingly haven’t been welcomed back to the Los Angeles market with open arms. Several factors are likely at play, including the fact that the Rams have a more storied history in L.A., as they played there from 1946 until 1994 when they moved to St. Louis. The franchise moved back to the city in 2016.
The Rams currently play their home games at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.
So far this season, the Chargers are last in the NFL in average attendance at 25,370 due, in large part, to their small venue.
Meanwhile, the Rams are 14th at 69,163.
The Rams won the NFC West last season and are the only remaining undefeated team in the NFL this season at 6-0.
The Chargers are also in the playoff hunt at 4-2, but there is little doubt that the Rams are viewed as the top team in Los Angeles, which may be part of the reason for the Bolts’ seat-selling struggles.
October 18, 2018 at 4:03 am #92508
znModeratorhttp://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9467/dean-spanos
ESPN’s Seth Wickersham reports: A major discussion topic among NFL owners/executives at this week’s league meetings is the Chargers’ viability in LA.
As Adam Schefter notes, it’s a “troubling issue” for the league. The Chargers’ PSL (personal seat license) sales have been a real struggle, and Wickersham says the team is expected to revise its Inglewood revenue goals sharply to a more realistic number of $150 million from initially setting it at $400 million. The Chargers are a team without a home as the Rams have cornered the L.A. market, and the Bolts are the stepson to the city. There were whispers last year of the NFL considering moving the Chargers back to San Diego. It should be done, but it would be a total admittance of failure by Roger Goodell and his billionaire buddies.
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A major discussion topic among NFL owners/executives at this week’s league meetings is the Chargers’ viability in LA. PSL sales have been a struggle and team is expected to revise its Inglewood revenue goals sharply to a more realistic number: $400m to around $150m, per sourcesTo be clear: There hasn’t been a formal presentation on it this week. But it’s been a topic of private conversations.
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Sam Farmer said only one team will be in LA. He was on with Peter King and said he doesn’t see 2 teams being in LA down the road. PK said wow.
Sam has a good nose for this stuff. The late great Bryan Burwell said years ago, if you want to know what’s going to happen in LA, Sam Farmer is the guy to talk to.
Sam doesn’t think it’s gonna work for Chargers in LA. He didn’t say where they’d end up, just that there is not enough of a fan base in LA for them. It’s not going to work.
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Sources: NFL owners concerned about Chargers in LA
Dan Graziano
NEW YORK — It’s no secret that the Los Angeles Chargers have struggled to gain a foothold with fans since moving from San Diego last year, and the problems are hitting them on the bottom line.
Sources told ESPN’s Seth Wickersham that the viability of the Chargers in Los Angeles was a topic of discussion at the owners meetings here Tuesday and Wednesday. Multiple owners, who requested anonymity, said Wednesday that the topic was not brought up formally in the meetings but that there has been a lot of discussion on the side about the extent to which the Chargers are struggling to build a fan base in Los Angeles.
The Chargers are currently playing in the StubHub Center in Carson, California. The venue seats about 30,000 people, which makes it about half as big as even the smallest NFL stadiums. Their plan is to move into the new stadium the Rams are building in Inglewood in 2020 and to function as a sort of “tenant” of the Rams rather than an equal partner in the venture.
Sources told Wickersham, however, that the Chargers are expected to revise their initial Inglewood revenue goal from $400 million down to $150 million.
Part of the lowered revenue projection could be tied to lower ticket prices in the new stadium. The Chargers on Wednesday announced prices for about 75 percent of their tickets for the new stadium when it opens in 2020, and they are advertising “more than 26,000 seats priced between $50 and $90 per seat, per game with an associated Stadium Seat License payment of only $100 for each seat.”
“Each decision throughout this process has been made with the fan in mind, and we think the pricing announced today reflects this fact,” A.G. Spanos, the team’s president of business operations, said in the news release.
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, when asked about what the league could do to help the Chargers, opened his response by singing the praises of the still-under-construction Inglewood project and said he expected the excitement over the new stadium to build as its opening gets closer.
“Lots of football, lots of building still to do,” Goodell said. “And frankly, we were out of the market for a long time, and we have to earn our way back with our fans. We have to build that relationship back with our fans and make sure that we do it right. Both teams are committed to that.
“It will be something that we have to work at over a period of time. They both have very exciting young teams, and I think that will be helpful also. But I think all of those things will come together over the next two years. That’s the work that needs to be done.”
October 18, 2018 at 4:46 am #92509
AgamemnonParticipantI kind of got the idea that the Chargers were there mostly to keep the Raiders out?
AgamemnonOctober 18, 2018 at 7:53 am #92510
InvaderRamModeratorI kind of got the idea that the Chargers were there mostly to keep the Raiders out?
yeah. i don’t know the logistics of it, but i wouldn’t be surprised to see them back in san diego.
October 18, 2018 at 10:05 am #92516
ZooeyModeratorYes, going into the meetings that decided their fates, there was sentiment for a number of different solutions, but the single concept with the widest agreement was the the NFL didn’t want the Raiders back in LA.
I thought at the time of the approval of the Rams/Chargers that the Chargers would work something out with San Diego and move back within 1-3 years. However, the last I heard, the best stadium location in San Diego has developers ogling it for other purposes at this point. When the Chargers left, people started coming up with their own plans for developing the area, and I don’t know if anything has been decided, but one would think that a point of no return is imminent on that, if not already passed.
Now…whether something else can be worked out or not, I don’t know. I haven’t really read about the politics in San Diego, but what other choice is there? I mean…one would think the Chargers would eventually catch on in LA, especially if they won.
October 18, 2018 at 1:09 pm #92521JackPMillerParticipantNow…whether something else can be worked out or not, I don’t know. I haven’t really read about the politics in San Diego, but what other choice is there? I mean…one would think the Chargers would eventually catch on in LA, especially if they won.
The other choices outside of San Diego, the Cargers have is Mexico City which I have talked about, and Mexico loves the NFL, another is over in England, where the NFL would love to put an NFL franchise, lets not forget, but probably won’t happen, still these names will be considered though, Anaheim, St. Louis, Portland(Oregon), and San Antonio.
October 18, 2018 at 1:46 pm #92523AgamemnonParticipantYou can cross off St. Louis, cause we are not interested to giving public money to the NFL anymore. imo
AgamemnonOctober 18, 2018 at 2:21 pm #92524
nittany ramModeratorIf they leave LA I doubt they would go Anaheim. They would run into the same issues they have in LA there.
I doubt they move to any other country either.
I doubt they move at all.
October 18, 2018 at 4:15 pm #92527ZooeyModeratorThey aren’t going ANYWHERE without financial help, and Los Angeles – the 2nd largest city in the country – couldn’t get a football stadium together anywhere in the region going back 35 years. The only reason there is a stadium in LA is a billionaire bought all the property himself, and built the stadium himself. Spanos is just not a member of that club, and nowhere in the LA area is going to come through NOW when there’s a big fucking palace in Inglewood that the Chargers can play in for $1 a year, especially since the Chargers can’t draw 20,000 fans a game without help from fans of other teams. It just does not pencil out for anybody. No way is Anaheim going to house the Chargers.
I think Ag is right. St. Louis isn’t going to pony up a dowry to attract another fickle bride. The NFL would have to finance that, and that isn’t a business move. So…no.
Mexico City is an intriguing possibility for a lot of reasons, but may have some obstacles that make it less desirable. I imagine the money is there. And I imagine there would be some significant desire in Mexico, but…I have never heard a peep about any kind of proposal at all. I mean…nothing.
I don’t know, but I suspect Portland and San Antonio simply aren’t big enough to join the NFL.
My guess is that Spanos gets bought out under pressure eventually. That they just ultimately find that they can’t meet the ante at the Big Boy table anymore, and have to fold.
I think one thing is for sure. As long as the Rams’ Glory Run continues, the Chargers are going to live in the shade, and LA is a lousy place to live without a tan.
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