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March 14, 2017 at 12:25 am #66247znModerator
The Rams have agreed to extend Bills restricted FA center Ryan Groy a two-year offer sheet, per @caplannfl & me. Bills have 5 days to match
— Mike Rodak (@mikerodak) March 14, 2017
March 14, 2017 at 12:31 am #66248znModeratorFYI on #Bills RFA C Ryan Groy, who #Rams extended a 2-year offer sheet: He played twice under new #Rams OL coach Aaron Kromer (Bills/Bears)
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) March 14, 2017
March 14, 2017 at 12:34 am #66249znModeratorRams Sign Bills C Ryan Groy To Offer Sheet
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2017/03/rams-sign-bills-c-ryan-groy-to-offer-sheet
The Rams made a move late tonight to potentially add a starting center, signing Bills RFA Ryan Groy to an offer sheet, Mike Rodak and Adam Caplan of ESPN.com report. It’s a two-year offer sheet, per Rodak and Caplan.
The Bills gave Groy and original-round tender and would not be entitled to draft compensation if they elect not to match since Groy was undrafted. Buffalo has five days to match the offer sheet. Groy was drawing interest as an RFA last week from teams who believe he could start at center or guard for them.
Groy would be expected to become the Rams’ starting center, a status he does not presently occupy with the Bills. Currently, the Rams house fourth-year player Demetrius Rhaney as their only pure center.
Eric Wood is the Bills’ starting center, although after a season-ending injury in November, Wood ceded his starting spot to Groy for the Bills’ final seven games last season. He’d previously started just three in his three-year career. Wood, though, is entering a contract year and will turn 31 on Saturday. Groy will turn 27 in September.
The Bills saw an RFA decision last year come back to bite them in allowing Chris Hogan to sign with the Patriots. Groy did grade out better than Wood in the opinion of Pro Football Focus last season, but Wood has started 104 games for the Bills since 2009 and made the Pro Bowl in 2015. So, it will be interesting to see how the Bills proceed here since Groy, too, is entering a contract year.
March 14, 2017 at 2:06 am #66251znModeratorPOSSIBLE OL
LT – Whitworth = 6.7, 330
LG – Saffold = 6.5, 332
C – Groy = 6.5, 320
RG – Havenstein = 6.7, 321
RT – Robinson = 6.5, 332avg: 6.6, 327
March 14, 2017 at 7:55 am #66258PA RamParticipantI have to say that I’m really impressed with what the Rams have done in free agency so far. I hope they get this center signed. But they are set up pretty well for the draft if they can get that done.
My only concern about the offensive line is the right side. I’m not sure about Havenstein at guard and Robinson at RT. I’m not sure that shouldn’t be reversed, but we’ll see. I’m sure they’ll sort that out during pre-season.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
March 14, 2017 at 9:17 am #66262JackPMillerParticipantI have to say that I’m really impressed with what the Rams have done in free agency so far. I hope they get this center signed. But they are set up pretty well for the draft if they can get that done.
My only concern about the offensive line is the right side. I’m not sure about Havenstein at guard and Robinson at RT. I’m not sure that shouldn’t be reversed, but we’ll see. I’m sure they’ll sort that out during pre-season.
We have camp and preseason. I believe things could change.
March 14, 2017 at 9:20 am #66263JackPMillerParticipantYes, we signed him to a two year deal, but how much is the deal? $2 million per year. The Bills may resign him.
March 14, 2017 at 10:24 am #66265znModeratorMarch 14, 2017 at 10:28 am #66266znModeratorwe signed him to a two year deal, but how much is the deal? $2 million per year. The Bills may resign him.
Depends on whether Buffalo wants to give 3.5 in guaranteed money to a back-up while they also have a total of 21 UFAs. I don’t know the Bills situation very well but I assume they want to keep some of those UFAs.
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It’s hard to see the Bills matching this offer. While it’s fair market value for Groy (probably a bit on the lower side), he doesn’t really have a spot in Buffalo to earn that money unless someone ends up on injured reserve again. Given the needs that remain at other positions, notably wide receiver and defensive back, it’s hard to justify the team sinking starter money into a backup position.
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RockRam & LMU93 wrote:
They are already paying over $7 mil to a starter that would cost them $4.3 mil in dead money to release.
Can the Bills really afford to have $11 mil dedicated to Center? That will be the question and I suspect the Rams think the answer is no or they wouldn’t have bothered.
When you have a good starting Center under contract that would hurt you to let him go, you can’t keep the other guy unless perhaps you decided to play him as a starting Guard.
Plus (not unlike the Rams) they can consider drafting a backup center in April and end up paying him 1/4 that price the next two years.
March 14, 2017 at 1:21 pm #66272znModeratorDepends on whether Buffalo wants to give 3.5 in guaranteed money to a back-up while they also have a total of 21 UFAs.
It’s 20 UFAs actually.
Here’s the optimistic take.
Matching would add 3.5 M for 2017. They already have around 12.2 tied up in their 3 starting interior linemen, and if you add Glenn, it’s more than 26.6 currently against the cap for starting OL. That’s with them having 15.6 in cap space, and 20 UFAs, some of whom you have to figure they want to keep. Plus they have a back-up anyway: Lewis. He backed up at center last year when Wood was out and Groy was starting. Lewis is just 1.3 M.
So who knows.
March 14, 2017 at 1:58 pm #66279snowmanParticipantGroy may have more value to the Bills than we think if he can backup both guard and center. Even if the Bills decline to match, I hope we draft a center somewhere in rounds 4 – 6 and develop him for the long term.
March 14, 2017 at 6:04 pm #66292sanbaggerParticipantI was pretty close…I suggested 2.5 per for 3 years with 5 gtd.
I think that’s gonna get it done, but I’ll admit I have been second guessing myself.
March 14, 2017 at 6:45 pm #66298znModeratorRams sign free-agent center Ryan Groy to two-year offer sheet
By Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-groy-free-agency-nfl-20170314-story.html%5DLA Times
The signing of free-agent left tackle Andrew Whitworth last week gave the Rams a fix to one part of an offensive line that was a major liability in 2016.
They also are taking steps to shore up the middle.
The release of center Tim Barnes last week cleared the way for the Rams to seek an alternative.
The Rams have signed restricted free agent center Ryan Groy to a two-year offer sheet. The Buffalo Bills, for whom Groy has played the last two seasons, have five days to match the offer, which reportedly includes $3.5 million in guaranteed money.
Groy, 26, started seven games for the Bills last season. Buffalo tendered him as an original-round selection, so the Bills would not receive any compensation if he signs with the Rams.
Groy, 6-foot-5 and 320 pounds, played in college at Wisconsin and originally signed with the Chicago Bears as an undrafted free agent in 2014.
Rams offensive line coach Aaron Kromer was the Bears’ offensive coordinator in 2014 and the Bills’ offensive line coach the last two seasons.
March 15, 2017 at 9:01 am #66315znModerator9er8er wrote
Groy went from being a UDFA to making the Bears practice squad, to being promoted and starting three games as a rookie. The Patriots thought enough of him to trade for him, so he wasn’t a “cast off” from the Bears. But, he was injured in preseason and waived injured. And then, he made his mark with the Bills.
Still young, on the rise and very affordable. Always has been an exceptionally reliable, smart, hard working player with the size and strength you want coming from a school and program that turns out good ones.
March 16, 2017 at 5:17 pm #66349JackPMillerParticipantJust saw the Bills matched Groy.
March 16, 2017 at 6:45 pm #66351znModerator#Bills are matching RFA offer from Rams for OL Ryan Groy, source told ESPN.
— Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) March 16, 2017
March 16, 2017 at 7:53 pm #66355HerzogParticipantGood thing we still have Barnes. oh wait….
March 17, 2017 at 9:28 am #66374PA RamParticipantThe Bills suck.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
March 17, 2017 at 10:59 am #66377ZooeyModeratorVery selfish of Buffalo.
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