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  • #39250
    zn
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    It’s not top shelf Coen Brothers but I enjoyed it, myself.

    There are some great set pieces in it.

    Interestingly, for those who know who he is, Herbert Marcuse is a character in the film.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse

    The movie is very darkly playful in unexpected ways. For example, it;s set in an era that is already seeing the advent of McCarthyism, yet the film acts as if McCarthyite fears are actually accurate—for example, there’s a group of Hollywood screen writers who are all self-professed devoted communists with direct ties to the Soviet Union (they even rendezvous with a Soviet submarine).

    #39251
    Zooey
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    Well…there WERE communists. I don’t know about ties to the USSR, but many of the people called out as communists were actually communists. Abraham Polonsky is one, for example. He wrote “Guilty by Suspicion,” a film with Robert DeNiro, that I kinda liked though it didn’t get great reviews. I show it to my classes whenever I teach The Crucible which isn’t very often. But, anyway, Polonsky had his name pulled from the credits because Irwin Winkler changed the main character from an actual communist to someone falsely accused, and Polonsky said he thought Hollywood had enough of the “falsely accused” stories, and wanted to tell it like it was. So he pulled his name from the credits.

    Point is. Being a communist was not, and is not, against the law, nor is it unpatriotic.

    So. The McCarthyite fears were not without foundation.

    He had no right to pursue those fears the way he did, and he and his crew undoubtedly ruined a lot of lives of totally innocent people. But. Some of those totally innocent people actually were communists.

    #39252
    zn
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    Well…there WERE communists. I don’t know about ties to the USSR, but many of the people called out as communists were actually communists. Abraham Polonsky is one, for example. He wrote “Guilty by Suspicion,” a film with Robert DeNiro, that I kinda liked though it didn’t get great reviews. I show it to my classes whenever I teach The Crucible which isn’t very often. But, anyway, Polonsky had his name pulled from the credits because Irwin Winkler changed the main character from an actual communist to someone falsely accused, and Polonsky said he thought Hollywood had enough of the “falsely accused” stories, and wanted to tell it like it was. So he pulled his name from the credits.

    Point is. Being a communist was not, and is not, against the law, nor is it unpatriotic.

    So. The McCarthyite fears were not without foundation.

    He had no right to pursue those fears the way he did, and he and his crew undoubtedly ruined a lot of lives of totally innocent people. But. Some of those totally innocent people actually were communists.

    I promise you, this is played as high spoof. The commies in this film actually connect with a soviet sub to assist a defecting movie star. The entire scene is a hoot, because even if let’s say a movie star defected to the Soviet Union, he would not need to secretly meet a Soviet sub (with its big red star on the conning tower ostentatiously dominating much of the scene). The “defector” would only need to take vacation in Greece and then cross a couple of borders. Nor would the movie star in question have a lapdog named “Engels.”

    The Coen Brothers wrote “Bridge of Spies”–a film in which the hero (Tom Hanks) is tormented by the public for being a Soviet spy’s defense attorney. So I trust they know their period stuff. In this case, unlike “Bridge,” this was all deliberately over the top, even campy.

    It has the feel of Goodman’s Walter Sobchak character in The Big Lebowski. The character of Walter is based on Red Dawn’s writer and director, John Milius. So when Goodman’s Walter is cautioned by a waitress in a diner because his language is too vulger for a family restaurant, he angrily reminds her that “For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.” It has that tone–it’s too over the top to be an authentic expression of anything, but instead works as spoof.

    Anyway I take your point that there were commie Hollywood writers in that era. But they also make fun of those fears.

    The commies, btw, come across as hopelessly out of touch, and as irksomely reverent of their Soviet “masters.” But at the same time, the Soviet sub scene undermines McCarthyite fears by giving them a laughably over-earnest (fake) reality.

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    #39254
    PA Ram
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    I really think this may have been one of my least favorite Coen films.

    I found it long and dull. I think I laughed a couple of times(the film editor scene and the dancing sailors). The scenes with Clooney just never took off for me. The characters had no real connections to each other. Nothing felt like one plot thread. It felt more like different “skits” and it didn’t work for me. The twin gossip reporters–felt like an inside joke I just didn’t get. In fact, much of it felt like inside jokes.

    The acting was fine but the story itself and the lagging direction just fell apart for me.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #39300
    zn
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    I found it long and dull.

    I can’t argue with that. I personally didn’t feel that but I am not going to try and talk someone else out of it.

    I did find more of the skits interesting than you did.

    I liked the editor scene and the sailor bar scene too. But I also liked Clooney’s character blowing his lines while addressing Christ on the cross, and I liked the dinner with the cowboy and the dancer, and I liked the fantasy of the deadly serious commie disciples awestruck by the soviet submarine.

    #39369
    Mackeyser
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    I want to see it, but I generally only pay for “Big Screen” movies…at the movies. The rest I wait to see on FiOS on one of my movie channels.

    That said, just saw Deadpool and holy crap was that a damn hoot. Super fun. Ryan Reynolds and the entire team just got it right on so many levels.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #39392
    nittany ram
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    I saw it and liked it. Nothing was laugh out loud funny, but there were enough clever/witty moments to make the movie worthwhile. I thought the whole commie writers kidnap plot line was really clever. I also liked Clooney’s reaction to his kidnapping and the way he interacted with his kidnappers. I thought Clooney’s character was very likable. The part where he blows his line during his moving speech about Christ was unexpected and fun. I also liked the scene right after Clooney ‘escapes’ where he is sitting with the movie executive in his office and begins to espouse communist ideals. The sailor dance scene was good as was the building level of frustration between the sophisticated well spoken director and the redneck cowboy actor. There were moments like these throughout the film that kept me interested even if the film wasn’t a continuous laugh riot. Certainly not the best Coen brothers film but not a bad offering overall.

    Next up, “The Witch”. I’m hearing it may be the most frightening film in decades.

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    #39394
    nittany ram
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    I want to see it, but I generally only pay for “Big Screen” movies…at the movies. The rest I wait to see on FiOS on one of my movie channels.

    That said, just saw Deadpool and holy crap was that a damn hoot. Super fun. Ryan Reynolds and the entire team just got it right on so many levels.

    I want to see this too but I can’t get my wife into the Marvel-verse. I can’t get enough of it whether it’s in the theaters or on TV (Jessica Jones, The Agents of Shield, etc)…

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