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March 17, 2015 at 7:43 pm #20807wvParticipant
They’ve added a solid LB,
and a very talented DT.The secondary has a year to
study its blunders.They know the GW system now,
one would think.Top twelve? Top ten? Top five?
Somethin else?I say top five. Thats just how
i see it.w
vMarch 17, 2015 at 7:56 pm #20808sdramParticipantI hope they’re really good. The pass rush should be stellar. Can they cover and tackle in the secondary? They were improving last year at both of those as the season progressed. At least everybody has at least one season of experience and if they stay relatively healthy, I’ll say top five too.
March 17, 2015 at 8:06 pm #20809InvaderRamModeratorthey should at least finish in the top 10. if they don’t, i’d say this coaching staff needs to fired.
March 17, 2015 at 8:06 pm #20810InvaderRamModeratorthey should at least finish in the top 10. if they don’t, i’d say this coaching staff needs to fired.
March 17, 2015 at 8:15 pm #20811AgamemnonParticipantI will put a number on it. The defensive talent indicates that it should be 7th +- 2 or 3 spots. The thing is, after last year, I don’t trust GW. We will see. After all, opinions are always a moving target.
For the defense to rank any higher, the offense must be able to run the ball when they want. Or we have a unicorn playing cb. You know the mythical shutdown beast. imo
- This reply was modified 9 years, 8 months ago by Agamemnon.
March 17, 2015 at 8:17 pm #20812AgamemnonParticipantMarch 17, 2015 at 8:29 pm #20814WinnbradParticipantIf the offense is better, the D should be better. But I have no idea how that’s gonna work out? If our O continues to rank in the bottom third of the league in almost every category, then… meh.
I’d be happy if the D just cut down on giving up big plays.
March 17, 2015 at 8:35 pm #20815InvaderRamModeratori would agree with that. strong running game or a better secondary in order for this defense to reach top 5.
March 17, 2015 at 9:50 pm #20819znModeratorI say top five. Thats just how
i see it.Me too. In the top 5. 1st through 5th. Or, higher.
March 18, 2015 at 2:01 am #20823HerzogParticipantIf GW is trustworthy, than top 5. However Jenkins alone could screw it up.
If not, than first in sacks, blitzes, and big plays given up. Top 20 defense.
IM not sure if I trust him yet.
March 18, 2015 at 6:37 am #20824wvParticipantIf top 5. However Jenkins alone could screw it up…
Well that will be a test of Coaching,
wont it. The JJ thing.
They will have had all offseason
and preseason to deal with the
“JJ problem.”w
vMarch 18, 2015 at 7:01 am #20825nittany ramModeratorWell that will be a test of Coaching,
wont it. The JJ thing.
They will have had all offseason
and preseason to deal with the
“JJ problem.”Well, they’ve had three offseasons to deal with the ‘JJ problem’ and nothing’s changed, so I’m not expecting things to be different this season.
JJ is JJ. He’s all about impact plays. Heck, his twitter handle is Mr.pick6sh*t. He’s always looking to make the big play and will foolishly gamble to make that happen. That’s just who he is.
It’s time for you to accept that and move on. Abandon this futile hope that JJ becomes a reliable and consistent corner because it’s not going to happen and I don’t want to see you get hurt.
March 18, 2015 at 2:26 pm #20849HerzogParticipanttime for you to accept that and move Abandon this futile hope that JJ becomes a reliable and consistent corner because it’s not going to happen and I don’t want to see you get hurt.
LOL you are freaking hilarious…. And probably right.
Sucks though… All that God given ability…. Yet one blindspot ruins it all.
March 18, 2015 at 3:09 pm #20858wvParticipanttime for you to accept that and move Abandon this futile hope that JJ becomes a reliable and consistent corner because it’s not going to happen and I don’t want to see you get hurt.
LOL you are freaking hilarious…. And probably right.
Sucks though… All that God given ability…. Yet one blindspot ruins it all.March 18, 2015 at 3:14 pm #20863AgamemnonParticipantMarch 18, 2015 at 3:17 pm #20865rflParticipantI’ve said this before, but I think JJ has to be used correctly.
Look. He’s an aggressive player. The downside of that is that he makes mistakes.
But, there is an upside. He actually CAN make plays.
So, how does one use him?
1) Move him back off the LOS 7 yards. Take him out of close contact with the WR, reducing the value of his instinctive ability to go with cuts. Frustrate and bore him. Make him antsy, more liable to bite on a chance to come up. And limit the effectiveness of his gifts.
or
2) Make the most of his gifts. Play him up, aggressively. Maximize his ability to run with WRs. Make a virtue of his aggressiveness and give him chances to make plays. And provide some backup over the top.
What do you think?
And how has he been played?
And don’t forget, #1 tends to negate the impact of our pass rush. #2 maximizes its impact.
JJ is not a balanced, all around CB. Yet, I believe a smart DC would get value from his gifts. I KNOW we are not doing that.
Glad to see all the guys saying they don’t trust GW. That’s correct. Don’t trust him. Make him prove he can actually deploy our talent effectively. When he does, I’ll praise him.
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March 18, 2015 at 3:23 pm #20867AgamemnonParticipantMarch 18, 2015 at 3:46 pm #20874wvParticipant<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I agree with what you say. Aeneas said that he just needs to be smarter about when to be aggressive.</span>
Would he get his pick-6’s if he was
playing even with the WR
from the start, though?I dunno, about JJ. I dunno.
w
vMarch 18, 2015 at 3:58 pm #20877AgamemnonParticipantWould he get his pick-6’s if he was
playing even with the WR
from the start, though?I dunno, about JJ. I dunno.
w
vI don’t know. I do know he committed to the gamble too soon. If he gives up more big plays than he makes, then it is a net loss. imo
March 18, 2015 at 5:26 pm #20896rflParticipantI agree with what you say. Aeneas said that he just needs to be smarter about when to be aggressive.
I agree with your agreement.
And of course, Aeneas was a world class DB. I doubt JJ will ever be that. And if he played smarter, he’d be better.
But the DC has to be smarter in how he uses him, as well.
Lots of players look great playing a role that matches who they are and bad playing another role … and vice versa.
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March 18, 2015 at 5:32 pm #20898rflParticipantWould he get his pick-6’s if he was
playing even with the WR
from the start, though?I think so, but it’s more than just a matter of pick 6s. More than INTs and more even than passes defended.
JJ can run with WRs. That’s his gift and few CBs really have that gift. The way he is generally played, he can’t really use it.
Other CBs have to play smart and read. They do that better and get burned less. But they don’t have his physical gifts.
Now, what the hell do I know? But …
I would predict that if he played up a lot, he would choke off a lot of pass routes. The biggest result would be, IMO, more QB hurries and sacks from the front 7. I think he AND THEY would play better in aggressive deployments.
But, hey. Maybe I’m just wishing. I do know that playing CBs 11 yards off the LOS 79% of the time depresses the hell out of me.
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March 23, 2015 at 10:29 pm #21355znModeratorThey need a DT behind Fairley and Brockers. Bet they draft one.
March 23, 2015 at 11:08 pm #21358InvaderRamModeratorthey need to replace janoris. they’ll most likely have to make do with him this season. but i fully expect him to be replaced in 2016.
March 23, 2015 at 11:18 pm #21361AgamemnonParticipantI am going to keep Jenkins. Give him help over the top and let him gamble. I probably can’t keep both Jenkins and Johnson next year. I will let one walk and replace the other with Robinson. I have enough CBs to do that. Still, if the Rams add a CB this year, that is fine. I know Snead likes PJ Williams.
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