wv wrote:

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Mack can you address what bnw had to say in his post?

I mean, you are preaching to the choir with the rest of us.
Its people who share bnw’s ideas that should be the target
audience. Can there be any meaningful communication between
you and him on this subject?

He says the ‘earth has cooled’. Has it?

w
v

Why don’t you ask bnw for his evidence?

And again I agree with Mack right down the line. The problem was, of course, that everything he said was true. He didn’t even have to use hyperbole, or distort things at all. At least the clip I saw (elsewhere).

Interesting to me was that neither Obama nor Wilmore took a serious shot at Sanders. The jokes each of them dropped on him were pretty soft.

Wolf Blitzer’s face was priceless. This multi-millionaire asshole celebrities take themselves seriously as journalists when they are a disgrace to the profession.

PA Ram wrote:

The Rams are stuck here. I hope I’m surprised. Maybe someone gets hurt and a team gets desperate but they can only hold him so long before deciding between him and Mannion. And something tells me Jeff Fisher just doesn’t want to go into the facilities and see Foles around all the time after the disaster he was.

I see a release in his future.

Unless Mannion completely blows.

Yeah, this in part is why I’ve completely lost patience with the “lesser of two evils” argument. There isn’t time for whatever Hillary’s plan is – probably a reduction in the level of GROWTH in greenhouse gasses.

I read somewhere that MIT said we had to slam the brakes on greenhouse gasses basically right now in order to have a chance.

This is not time to elect a Great Incrementer.

Boy, it would be ballsy to start him week one, in San Francisco, on MNF. Welcome to the Big Time, kid.

I dunno. But it seems to me that if the plan is to play him as soon as possible (i.e. this year), they may as well start from Week 1. Otherwise he isn’t working a full load; he would be working the scout team with backups, and his opportunity to learn diminishes.

Seems to me that they oughta go Week 1 this year, or Week 1 next year. I don’t think Week 9, or whatever, makes sense.

I guess if I had to wager, I would bet he starts Week 1 this year. The future is now.

zn wrote:

ag had the right idea but then took it down

so I revive it, a long day 3 thread is a fun idea

Rams get 117 and 206 for trade with Chicago.

zn wrote:

I moved some discussions of Goff to here:

4/28-? … the Goff pick reaction thread: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/goff-428/

Mostly they were posts expressing the poster’s view of the pick, but were being buried in “reporters on” threads, where IMO they were getting lost. I also consolidated another thread that was drifting down the board into that one.

If anyone objects to being moved just say so right up front (I am just not sensitive about that) and I will just un-move them back. Easy as pie. And easier than pi.

The people this covers includes Isiah58, PA, Snow, and Zooey.

I object to your moving PA’s post. It should have been left in obscurity.

And what did you do with all of RFL’s posts? It’s kind of sinister the way none of his posts appear on the board anymore.

I’m high on Goff, now. I didn’t want Bradford because, like other people, I didn’t think the Rams were ready for him. They are ready for Goff. I think the OL is in pretty good shape – certainly it’s better than it was in Bradford’s time – and I think the WR are better than they’re given credit for. Last season, time and time again, my son and I would scream at Foles because there would be an open WR, and he’d hold the ball, and turn and dump it over to the sideline for a one-yard completion. I think Goff is likely to find those guys more often than Foles or Keenum, and I think he should have a decent rookie year. He has a lot more to work with than Bradford did, and Bradford won the offensive ROY remember.

I also think that if Goff had been on a good team, especially one of the gilded franchises, he would be rated higher. An awful lot of punditry is glitter and bluster, and they don’t have the time to study film of all these players. A lot of punditry is conventional wisdom. What was telling to me…the thing that made me finally good with the trade after being unhappy with it the first few days…was that I read from multiple sources that TEAMS were saying that Goff and Wentz are better than Winston and Mariota. The pundits, you know, week in and week out were watching Alabama games, and Notre Dame, and Oklahoma, and so on. The usual big games. They didn’t watch North Dakota State. Some of them probably watched youtube highlights, but these guys don’t have the time to study everybody, and I think they discounted these guys because they weren’t on TV, basically. So when I heard that NFL scouts liked them better than two QBs who both played decently as rookies last year, I warmed up.

And I just like the intangibles that Goff has. I rate those intangibles higher than “prototype size,” or whatever they are saying about Wentz. Now Wentz may be a good QB, and may turn out better than Goff in the long run, but I think Goff is the safer bet because he has the skills and the intangibles, and I rate that higher than arm strength, and so on.

My only concern is the price tag, but that’s that. That’s what it costs to move up from 15 to 1, and I don’t think the Rams overpaid according to the charts.

So…let’s go.

PA Ram wrote:

That’s a fantastic reply.

I don’t understand Clinton supporters. Why are they so in love with the status quo? Why do they accept all this money in politics with a wink and a nod? I just don’t get them at all.

This is an incredibly tough choice for me–and honestly–not 100 percent sure what I’ll do. If I vote for Clinton in the GE I just become another enabler of the whole thing. I can’t tell you how sick I am of that. My only motivation is fear of a Trump Presidency. I probably won’t know for certain which way I’ll go until I step in the voting booth in November. I won’t feel good either way when I come out.

Clinton supporters tend to be older, and affluent. Like Waterfield. Affluent people are more likely to think the system basically works – and why wouldn’t they? They worked hard, and got rewarded – and have a conscience. They understand the system disenfranchises people, and they don’t feel good about that. But they conclude that the solution is to just tilt things a little bit this way and that, and things will get better. That’s who they are. They don’t see the systemic problems, and don’t really want to. Things are pretty good, and a few fundraisers for blankets and food are the right thing to do.

So…maybe there is too much corporate money around…but it all amounts to the same thing anyway because corporate people are people, not monsters, and they have to make a profit, but they are basically also help all boats to rise. Sure, occasionally there are renegades, but the system corrects for that.

That is your Clinton supporter.

I share your conflict. I cannot possibly pull the lever for Trump, either. Cannot do that. The guy is a racist, a chauvinist, a narcissist, and has little grasp of facts. He is rash. He is impetuous. He has no understanding of diplomacy.

I dunno. I can’t vote for either candidate, and there is no other choice.

wv wrote:

I just wanna say one more thing — I LOVE Trump

I love him because for the first time in my life-time
there are signs, portents, omens that the Republican Party,
is cracking apart. They have always been the disciplined
party, the party that ‘fell in line’ and voted for Palin, Bush,
Dole, McCain, whoever. But now, for the first time,
Trump has driven a wedge into the heart of that Party.
Now maybe it finds a way to put the pieces all together again,
as per usual — but damn, there are indications that Nightmarish Organization, the Party of the Rich, is imploding. Finally.

And Donald Trump is the guy that lit the fuse.

I smile every time i think about him.

And as far as him being a threat to become Prez —
he has Zero chance. Zero. No way the undecideds,
and middle-of-the-roaders are gonna go for him.
Hillary is yer next president. She is Obama.
She is Bill. More of the same.

w
v

Trump is fantastic. Exactly what you say. A guy who is blowing up the Republican alliance. Hopefully their will be many lost pieces, and they won’t be able to completely reassemble it.

But it would appear the Democrats are similarly poised to implode. I don’t think that story is getting enough analysis. I read a LOT of Bernie supporters saying they will not vote for Hillary, hell or high water. Some of them – a lot of them, probably – are going to follow through with that threat.

I still think Hill wins the election, but I will not be surprised if she comes in second place on this Top Ten list of all-time smallest pluralities of votes:

10 Presidents Who Won with Less Than 50% of the Vote

Bradford has said he doesn’t want to go to SF because of Chip Kelley.

I am going to guess the feeling is mutual.

bnw wrote:

Hillary will have to pardon herself to not be president in federal prison.

Well, if they are going to indict her, I hope it’s sooner than later. Like in the next couple of weeks. And I hope they DO indict her because we are past the two minute warning on the environment, wealth disparity, and democracy.

Agreed. Foles is far more likely to be traded, though not for much in return.

The Horror!

Well, what the hell.

It has always been about managing perception anyway. Because the league is certainly not opposed to gambling (if there is profit in it for the league). Their only concern is public opinion, and the fear that people will think games are fixed which would be bad for business. Obviously.

But public acceptance of gambling has grown immensely over the past 30 years with the state run lotteries. People gamble.

I actually don’t see a problem with it. I mean a game is not more likely to be fixed because the team plays in a city with legalized gambling. Just as easy to fix a game in Cleveland as in Las Vegas if one had the means to do it. Las Vegas makes no difference.

And why shouldn’t the crowd play a little keno during commercial timeouts?

Oh, and San Diego is ALSO looking at stadiums, but that probably deserves its own thread.