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August 26, 2018 at 4:20 pm in reply to: informal poll: what do you think of the "no starters" preseason? #89865
znModeratorHe said the Rams do a lot of situational football and don’t waste time on a lot of the other stuff teams typically do.
More on that from earlier threads:
Pete Prisco@PriscoCBS
The best thing about watching the Rams practice is watching how@much situational work they do. That’s the way to practice in my bookJ.B. Long@JB_Long
McVay and Phillips duel constantly throughout camp. Ultra-competitive. They do as much/more situational team stuff as anyone.August 26, 2018 at 4:07 pm in reply to: informal poll: what do you think of the "no starters" preseason? #89863
znModerator2 more cents on this fwiw
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Rampage2K-
I was watching some pregame show the other day and they were talking about the Rams not playing any starters on offense. Prisco said he liked it and that other teams might start taking a page out of McVay’s book on how to handle preseason, but they might get some pushback by the NFL because they want to sell tickets and advertising…
He said he has been to every camp and said the Rams are the only team that is on a different level when it comes to practicing. He said the Rams do a lot of situational football and don’t waste time on a lot of the other stuff teams typically do. The Rams don’t need preseason as much as some other teams seem to need it.
August 26, 2018 at 12:30 am in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89846
znModeratorI hope in next week’s rules video, the league will use this as an example of a play that should NOT have been called a foul. 100% for the helmet and QB protections, but this cannot be flagged (59 for roughing). pic.twitter.com/ybI4JO0arc
— J.B. Long (@JB_Long) August 26, 2018
August 25, 2018 at 10:03 pm in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89841
znModeratorRich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
Ndamukong Suh, on his 1Q hit on Deshaun Watson that led to a Rams INT: “For sure it feels good. We can’t hit 16 [Jared Goff] or even get near him in practice, let alone all the other guys. So it feels good to hit a quarterback.”The Rams just had a 19-play drive that ended in an impressive 15-yard TD run by John Kelly. And, best of all, it took 12:06 off the clock!
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Ryan Kartje@Ryan_Kartje
Sean McVay on sitting his entire 1st team offense this preseason: “This is what we felt like was best for our football team. It might not be for everybody. There might be disagreements, but this is the decision that we made.”
znModeratorMichael David Smith@MichaelDavSmith
I haven’t done a thorough study of snap counts but anecdotally it seems like NFL teams are giving the starters less preseason playing time than ever before. It’s smart not to risk injuries to key players but the stadiums are getting emptier as fans realize it’ll be mostly scrubs.
znModeratorNdamukong Suh postgame: “For sure it feels good [to hit a QB]. I mean, we can’t hit ’16’ or even get near him in practice, let alone all the other guys, so it feels good to hit a quarterback especially with the new rules and all that stuff.”
— Myles Simmons (@MylesASimmons) August 26, 2018
August 25, 2018 at 8:39 pm in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89835
znModeratorJoyner's first interception of 2018!#HOUvsLA pic.twitter.com/qXBRjnMW0b
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 25, 2018
August 25, 2018 at 8:38 pm in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89834
znModeratorWelcome back to the NFL, Sam Shields!#HOUvsLA pic.twitter.com/SsyTMthmhL
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 25, 2018
August 25, 2018 at 8:38 pm in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89833
znModeratorDo yo dance, @KingTutt_chdown ‼️ pic.twitter.com/vya0enisID
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 25, 2018
August 25, 2018 at 8:37 pm in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89832
znModerator“Old school, hard-nosed football right down the gut.” – @Nate13Burleson 😤@JKShuttlesworth with his second TD of the preseason! 🙌 pic.twitter.com/PcGoF18QZg
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 25, 2018
August 25, 2018 at 8:37 pm in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89831
znModeratorHit 'em with the spin move, @JKShuttlesworth! 🎮#LARams up 21-14! #HOUvsLA pic.twitter.com/lmP2foYxyM
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 25, 2018
August 25, 2018 at 8:34 pm in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89830
znModeratorEric Edholm@Eric_Edholm
John Kelly is better than at least half a dozen RBs taken ahead of him==
Brad Evans@YahooNoise
If Todd Gurley is felled by a significant injury (God forbid), John Kelly is going to win people fantasy titles. He’s really good people.August 25, 2018 at 8:19 pm in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89829
znModeratorWatt, Suh back on field in Rams’ 21-20 win over Texans
http://www.espn.com/nfl/recap?gameId=401030988
LOS ANGELES — Rookie John Kelly rushed for 64 yards and two touchdowns, and the Los Angeles Rams briefly debuted their new defensive stars in a 21-20 preseason victory over J.J. Watt and the Houston Texans on Saturday.
Although the Rams rested 10 presumptive offensive starters for the third straight preseason game, the Los Angeles defense’s three big offseason acquisitions played at the Coliseum. Ndamukong Suh and cornerbacks Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib got some action early in the first quarter before sitting.
Watt also started and made a tackle in his first on-field action since breaking his leg in the Texans’ fifth game last season. The three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year didn’t get to see the current holder of the award, Aaron Donald, who is deep in his second consecutive contract holdout from the Rams.
Alfred Blue rushed for an early score for Houston, and Braxton Miller caught a TD pass from Brandon Weeden, who went 10 of 17 for 108 yards with an interception after Deshaun Watson’s brief action. Quan Bray caught a 3-yard touchdown pass from Joe Webb with 5:54 to play for the Texans, but Ejuan Price sacked Webb on the ensuing 2-point conversion attempt.
Nick Rose then missed a 57-yard field goal at the gun. It was the second missed field goal for Rose as the Texans wait for Ka’imi Fairbairn to get healthy.
Kelly, the Rams’ sixth-round pick from Tennessee, continued his breakout preseason in Gurley’s absence with another impressive game. He finished Los Angeles’ 19-play drive that consumed 12:06 of the third quarter with a spinning 15-yard TD run.
Pharoh Cooper caught a TD pass from Sean Mannion, who bounced back from an 0-for-5 start with a bad interception to Kareem Jackson. Mannion finished the first half with 10 consecutive completions, but he has been inconsistent in the preseason, raising some concern about the Rams’ backup situation behind Jared Goff.
For the third consecutive game, the Rams didn’t play Goff, Todd Gurley, four starting offensive linemen, tight end Tyler Higbee and top receivers Brandin Cooks, Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp. Coach Sean McVay has all but ensured Los Angeles’ key offensive skill players will skip the entire preseason, keeping the wraps on the team that led the NFL in scoring last season.
McVay used his entire starting defense except linebacker Mark Barron, but only for about two series. Suh managed to hit Watson as the quarterback uncorked a long throw that was intercepted by Lamarcus Joyner on the Texans’ second series.
Watson finished 3 of 6 for 15 yards.
SAM’S STEPS
Sam Shields made an interception in the veteran cornerback’s next huge step in his comeback from multiple concussions. Shields missed most of the past two seasons and was dropped by the Green Bay Packers during his laborious return from at least four recorded concussions. He picked off Weeden’s pass late in the first quarter and returned it 13 yards before celebrating on the sideline with teammates who understood the importance of the moment.
ANTHEM UPDATE
There were no apparent protests during the national anthem.
INJURIES
Texans: WR Will Fuller sat out with a minor hamstring injury. … LB Ben Heeney left the field on a cart during the first half. Houston didn’t immediately provide an update on his condition. He has been fighting injuries in training camp.
Rams: DL Ethan Westbrooks had a strong first half before getting shaken up on a play shortly before halftime. He went to the locker room early. … LB Matt Longacre completed his long comeback from injury by starting for Los Angeles. He hurt his back late last season and then struggled with a biceps injury in training camp.
UP NEXT
Texans: Finish the preseason at home against the Dallas Cowboys on Thursday.
Rams: Finish the preseason at the New Orleans Saints on Thursday.
August 25, 2018 at 8:14 pm in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89828
znModeratorfrom ReFocused, NFL Preseason Week 3: Los Angeles Rams 21, Houston Texans 20
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-2018-rams-21-texans-20
The Los Angeles Rams defeated the Houston Texans on Saturday evening, 21-20 continuing the third full week of preseason action in the NFL.
Los Angeles Rams 21, Houston Texans 20
Rookie running back John Kelly shouldered the load against the Texans and offered more than a glimmer of promise on the depth chart behind Todd Gurley. He capped off the best drive of the day for the Rams with a 15-yard run on third & goal, as he weaved through the heart of the Texans defense with decisive cuts, spinning through arm tackles before entering the end zone.
Third-string quarterback Brandon Allen produced his best work on third downs, both with his arm and his legs. He picked up one conversion on a scramble up the middle to push the Rams into the red zone. He also set up a couple of conversions on the Rams’ long third-quarter drive with strong throws to out-breaking routes to keep the Rams’ backup offense on the field.
The Rams showed some strong depth up front, as they went to work on the Texans offensive line with second-year edge defender Ejuan Price being the standout. He picked up two sacks, though one was negated by a penalty after a vicious spin move left Texans tackle Chad Slade grasping at thin air.
It remains to be seen who will start opening week at linebacker, but Ramik Wilson’s play of late warrants some serious consideration. Wilson closed quickly in coverage and did a good job getting off blocks.
KEY TO THE GAME
Houston: Houston’s offensive line looked shaky from the start, only to struggle even more as the game progressed.
Los Angeles: Once the Texans’ starting defense left the field, the Rams’ backup offensive line took control. Mental errors were at a minimum and steady play in various combinations allowed the Rams to keep moving forward against the Texans’ backups.
August 25, 2018 at 7:37 pm in reply to: houston game, ps #3: articles, highlights, tweets, etc #89827
znModeratorLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Nice second and third effort by John Kelly to get into the end zone on a 15-yard carry. The sixth-round pick from Tennessee looking like a steal for the Rams this preseason.Sam Shields intercepts a pass and the Rams show him a ton of love down the sideline. Shields sat out nearly two seasons and made the decision to return to football after suffering several concussions.
Very cool scene as guys sprinted down the sideline to celebrate with Shields. Could tell this was a moment Shield has been waiting for and teammates clearly ecstatic for him.
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Myles Simmons@MylesASimmons
John Kelly spins and pinballs his way into the end zone on 3rd-and-goal at the 15 for a touchdown. That was a really nice run. His second TD of the game, and Rams are now 10/14 on 3rd down.—
Ryan Kartje@Ryan_Kartje
John Kelly continues to be shifty as hell. The Rams have to very pleased with how he looks so far.Kelly has been a stud this preseason, and it’s only a matter of time before he’s the clear-cut No. 2.
Can confirm that rookie tackle Joe Noteboom played a handful of snaps against both J.J. Watt and Jadeveon Clowney and is still alive.
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Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
For the record, that’s 10 consecutive completions for Sean Mannion, after a dreadful start.Dominique Easley in on a series, playing a defensive end role in Rams’ nickel package.
August 25, 2018 at 2:59 pm in reply to: informal poll: what do you think of the "no starters" preseason? #89823
znModeratorTurns out, he’s sitting all the starters.
Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
#Rams will sit out all offensive starters except for Jamon Brown today against the #TexansAugust 25, 2018 at 12:29 pm in reply to: radio link for game, + Chat room, game 3, 1 pm pt, 4 pm et #89815
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znModeratorAndy Benoit@Andy_Benoit
Love Aaron Donald, but how does a member of a run D that ranked 30th in yards allowed per attempt run away with Defensive Player of the Year?Sam Monson@PFF_Sam
*sigh*
Because run defense is 11 players.It is possible, and in fact very common, to have great players toiling away on bad defensive units.
We have to be better than this.
Evan Silva@evansilva
Because Wade Phillips is smart & knows Run Defense doesn’t matter. In fact, there is evidence strongly suggesting it’s better to have a soft Run Defense so long as your Pass Defense is stout and/or can create takeaways.==
Ted Nguyen@FB_FilmAnalysis
What teams in the NFL are comfortable with their OL depth?Sam Monson@PFF_Sam
Delusional ones==
‘How to Keep a Quarterback Healthy in the NFL’: Luck, McVay, Stafford, Reich, RG3, Eli and a host of players and coaches tell @Andy_Benoit their strategies and tips for keeping the QB on the field.https://t.co/lb28hkzZfa pic.twitter.com/XAYJDoqndi
— The MMQB (@theMMQB) August 24, 2018
znModeratorfrom How all 32 NFL teams can win 10 games, and predicting which ones willplay
Mike Clay
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3. Los Angeles Rams
How they can get to 10 wins: If the Sean McVay-Jared Goff duo proves not to be a one-year wonder, the Rams will cruise to the playoffs again in 2018. Of course, even if the offense takes a step back, the new-look, Wade Phillips-led defense can make up for it — and then some — after the additions of Ndamukong Suh, Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib.
Realistic expectations: The Rams have Super Bowl aspirations after an aggressive and expensive offseason that also included a trade for Brandin Cooks. Aaron Donald’s holdout, questions at linebacker and a quarterback situation that is a step behind many fellow top contenders means we can’t quite call the Rams the favorites for the NFC crown.
My projection: 10.2 | Vegas over/under: 10
znModeratorRams will test outside linebackers, pass rushers and backups on offensive line against Texans on Saturday
GARY KLEIN
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-texans-20180824-story.html
Rams rookie offensive lineman Joseph Noteboom talks with coach Aaron Kromer during practice at Cal Lutheran University on June 4. (Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times)
Preseason NFL games are not high-stakes affairs, unless you are a rookie offensive lineman charged with protecting the franchise’s most valuable asset.
That’s the assignment the Rams’ Joseph Noteboom initially drew for Saturday’s game against the Houston Texans at the Coliseum.
Veteran Andrew Whitworth is sitting out preseason games, so Noteboom will start at left tackle in what was supposed to be quarterback Jared Goff’s first and only preseason action.
“You definitely don’t want him getting pressure or touched,” Noteboom said.
Noteboom’s job will remain the same, but he probably will once again be protecting the blind side for backup quarterback Sean Mannion.
Coach Sean McVay indicated Thursday that Goff is on track to sit out the entire preseason, which ends next week at New Orleans. Whitworth and veteran center John Sullivan are not playing against the Texans and, of more immediate concern, right tackle Rob Havenstein is nursing an ankle injury.
The risk Goff would face taking snaps behind rookies and backups — with Texans lineman J.J. Watt and edge rusher Jadeveon Clowney on the other side of the line of scrimmage — is too great.
On a day when McVay said that running back Todd Gurley definitely would not play, he did not make the same definitive proclamation regarding Goff. Havenstein’s availability Saturday, McVay said, “will definitely have an impact on what we do.”
But with the Rams investing heavily in players for a possible run to the Super Bowl, McVay is expected to play it safe to ensure that Goff and all starters are physically sound for the Sept. 10 opener against the Oakland Raiders on “Monday Night Football.”
Receivers Robert Woods, Brandin Cooks and Cooper Kupp will be catching passes from Mannion, who rebounded from a poor performance against the Baltimore Ravens and played more efficiently against the Oakland Raiders.
All but two starters — offensive guard Jamon Brown and linebacker Samson Ebukam — were held out of the 33-7 loss to the Ravens and a 19-15 victory over the Raiders.
Many are looking forward to acclimating to game conditions, if only for a few series.
Linebacker Cory Littleton will call defensive signals for the first time.
Defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh noted this week that joint practices with the Ravens were valuable, but did not include hitting the quarterback.
“But in these games we can,” he said. “It’s always good to get a couple bumps, hits and get to the real thing in Week 1.”
Preseason action enables players to gauge their conditioning and more, cornerback Aqib Talib said.
“Get some full-speed reps, that first initial tackling somebody all the way to the ground, get that out your system before the first game of the season,” he said.
Cornerback Marcus Peters’ goals?
“Get a three-and-out every time,” he said, “and then we done.”
Nearly every starting position is accounted for except outside linebacker.
Ebukam, a second-year pro, started the first two games to continue gaining experience. He appears on his way to starting as an edge-rusher.
But the other outside spot is not settled.
Matt Longacre is coming off back surgery and was slowed through training camp and the first two weeks of the preseason because of a biceps injury. Second-year pro Ejuan Price started against the Raiders.
The Rams considered signing veteran free agent Junior Galette, bringing him in for a physical, but dismissed the possibility without putting him through a workout.
Dominique Easley played defensive tackle in college and during his first three NFL seasons. He sat out last season after suffering his third major knee injury, but began practicing this week at outside linebacker.
Rookie Justin Lawler has played well behind Ebukam. Rookie linebacker Trevon Young and, possibly, lineman John Franklin-Myers also could get opportunities to rush the passer from an outside spot against the Texans.
Stopping pass rushers will be on Noteboom’s mind as he plays alongside veteran left guard Rodger Saffold.
“I just want to try to reassure him,” Saffold said, “To help where need be and tell him just to play his game.”
Against the Raiders, Noteboom started at left tackle but also played right tackle and right guard.
He is among the players the Rams are considering as a temporary replacement for Brown, who is suspended for the first two games of the season for violating the NFL’s substance-abuse policy.
Playing tackle requires heightened athleticism, playing guard more power, Noteboom said. Switching positions is not a problem.
“It’s just flipping your mind-set,” he said.
znModeratorAndy Benoit@Andy_Benoit
Love Aaron Donald, but how does a member of a run D that ranked 30th in yards allowed per attempt run away with Defensive Player of the Year?Bill Barnwell@billbarnwell
1) The Rams didn’t face many running plays last year because they were ahead a lot of the time. 418 rush attempts against them last year is 22nd in the league, so yards per attempt isn’t quite as damaging as it would be for other teams.But that’s a minor thing. 2) The Rams were a lot better by DVOA than yards per attempt – 21st instead of 30th. The Jaguars were 27th in rush defense DVOA and we rightfully wouldn’t blink for a second about Calais Campbell being a Defensive Player of the Year candidate.
3) The Rams gave up a bunch of yardage in meaningless situations. If we look at the runs opposing teams made that *decreased* their expected points — i.e. runs that don’t keep them on schedule or runs in hopeless situations – the Rams allowed 430 yards, third-most in the NFL.4) The Rams were 31st in open-field yards per run, meaning that when opposing runners got to the third level, they were often able to turn big plays into much bigger runs. They gave up four 60+ yard runs last year and nobody else gave up more than two.
I don’t think you can really pin those long runs on Aaron Donald (although I’m sure he deserves some small portion of blame).
Anyway, I think “Can a player be great even if his team is bad at something?” is an interesting question. In this case, though, I think there are extenuating circumstances which point to other parts of the team being a problem. I also don’t want Aaron Donald to hit me. The end!
znModeratorAndy Benoit@Andy_Benoit
Love Aaron Donald, but how does a member of a run D that ranked 30th in yards allowed per attempt run away with Defensive Player of the Year?Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Nominee: Worst Rams Tweet of the YearI mean, honestly, the Rams struggled at times last year early in games stoppping the run. But did it ever cost them a game? Off the top of my head, I don’t think so. Completely overrated aspect of last season.
Andy Benoit@Andy_Benoit
Matt Longacre is a tremendous athlete who happens to play in a dad bodJoe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Nominee: Rams’ Tweet of the Year
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Andy Benoit@Andy_Benoit
Imagine Cooks running a deep route, lifting the safety, and Todd Gurley catching a pass underneath that.Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
This is what the Rams envisioned last year with Sammy Watkins, and to an extent, it worked, but the belief is that Cooks, with greater speed and a better knowledge of the offense, can be an even greater threat.Plus, based strictly on anecdotal evidence in camp, the Goff-Cooks connection looks tighter than Goff-Watkins did last season. That doesn’t mean all will be perfect. Defenses will adjust to what McVay did last year. But Cooks got the big $ because the Rams need his skill set.
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Myles Simmons@MylesASimmons
slot corner Nickell Robey-Coleman calls teammate WR Cooper Kupp the best slot receiver in the league. #LARams==
He doesn’t get home, but #LARams lining Marqui Christian up as a LB next to Hager in nickel, then following him on a B-gap blitz, is an intriguing takeaway from OAK film. pic.twitter.com/U5zeX1SXyd
— J.B. Long (@JB_Long) August 24, 2018
August 24, 2018 at 11:45 pm in reply to: Preseason Rankings & what the expectations are, etc. #89799
znModeratorThe Rams are now the NFC’s Super Bowl favorite, passing defending champion Philadelphia, per @BovadaOfficial pic.twitter.com/dzurwxs71n
— Joe Curley (@vcsjoecurley) August 24, 2018
znModeratorWhy the Rams might have Jared Goff sit out another preseason game
Vincent Bonsignore
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — The Rams’ plan for Saturday’s game against the Houston Texans was to get Jared Goff some playing time for the first — and only — time this preseason. Whether it was playing one quarter or an entire half, Goff would take the field at the Coliseum with most of his starting supporting cast getting some run before going back into the bubble wrap in preparation for the Sept. 10 season opener against the Oakland Raiders.
That plan took a decided turn Tuesday with the news that starting right tackle Rob Havenstein tweaked an ankle, leaving his status for Saturday up in the air. Havenstein’s absence would mean the Rams would be without three starters on the offensive line.
“Whether (Havenstein) plays or not will affect some things potentially,” Rams head coach Sean McVay said.
In other words, there’s a good chance Goff doesn’t suit up Saturday.
“Whatever they decide to do, I’m on board with,” Goff said. “I think we got a lot of good work through training camp and through different situations that may come up this weekend that may happen. I’m planning to play and we’ll see what happens.”
Goff absolutely wants to play. That’s obvious.
But sitting him is the right decision if Havenstein is a no-go no matter how much the fans squawk or Goff pleads his case or how strong the Rams’ need is to get Goff some snaps in real game conditions at least one time before the season opener.
The third-year quarterback is as close to irreplaceable as it gets on the Rams roster. This is a collective effort to be sure, from McVay to Gurley to Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp and Brandin Cooks to a strong offensive line. But it’s Goff who ultimately makes it all go offensively.
And while it’s not ideal he goes through the entire preseason without taking a single in-game snap, the risk of playing Goff behind an offensive line down three starters far outweighs the benefit he’d get managing a playbook that in no way shape or form represents what he’ll use in the regular season.
“So, there’s a lot of things that — like I’ve told you — self-admittedly, this isn’t like an easy answer because there’s a lot of layers to it,” McVay said. “I think those guys would want to play. But we’re not game-planning, we’re not doing things that are consistent with our normal approach.”
The Rams were already pushing things a bit with left tackle Andrew Whitworth and center John Sullivan missing Saturday’s game as part of the long-range plan to get the two veterans through the regular season.
What gives the Rams confidence is the steady progress of rookies Joseph Noteboom and Brian Allen and the confidence in third-year lineman Austin Blythe. All three are growing up at warp speed under highly-regarded offensive line coach Aaron Kromer, and they have played extensively during the preseason along with rookie guard Jamil Demby, who will see plenty of action Saturday as well.
“It says that you feel good about these guys,” McVay said. “I think you guys have heard us say it over and over, Aaron Kromer has done a really good job developing, especially these young linemen. You look at Brian Allen and Joe Noteboom specifically. Obviously, we’ve talked a lot about the progression of Austin Blythe, who’s been with us, and you just see what a good player he’s become that really can play any one of those three interior spots. So we feel really good about the depth that Coach Kromer has developed.”
So much so that the Rams felt confident Goff would be adequately protected if a healthy Havenstein anchored the right side with Jamon Brown and Rodger Saffold played left guard in between Noteboom at tackle and either Allen or Blythe at center. But Havenstein’s status changes things considerably.
What McVay might have been comfortable asking Goff to do previously — deep drops operating in a safe pocket that allows him to go through his progressions — he would likely be hesitant to ask of his starting QB if he had to play behind an O-line missing both starting tackles against the Texans’ monster pass-rushing duo of J.J. Watt and Jadeveon Clowney.
That would mean calling more run plays and quick throws on shorter drops and quick boots to help Goff get rid of the ball as quickly as possible to prevent him from getting hit.
And if that’s the case, there’s really no reason for Goff to play at all. There would be no point running him out there if you can’t confidently run the kind of 15 to 20 plays that will benefit him most going into the season opener.
It’s not the ideal way for Goff to go into the regular season. But in this case, the risk far outweighs the reward.
“Again, whatever happens this weekend happens,” Goff said. “I’m expecting to play, and if it’s a situation where I don’t, that’s OK.”
znModeratorSean McVay, Aaron Donald haven’t spoken in “awhile”
Sean McVay, Aaron Donald haven’t spoken in “awhile”
Posted by Mike Florio on August 22, 2018, 11:39 PM EDT
Last week, a sense emerged that the Rams and defensive tackle Aaron Donald were close to getting a long-term deal done. And that may indeed by the case still.
However, the deal still isn’t done, and the team’s first regular-season game is only 19 days away.
Earlier this week, coach Sean McVay downplayed the notion of a deadline for a deal, despite the deadline-driven nature of the business. On Tuesday, McVay acknowledged that, regardless of whether and to what extent a deal is close, McVay and Donald haven’t been talking, like they were earlier in training camp.
“It’s been awhile since I’ve spoken with Aaron,” McVay said.
McVay has been busy, and the fact that they haven’t spoken actually could be a product of the momentum that was building toward getting a deal done. If the situation were close to resolution, after all, McVay wouldn’t need to engage in any extra effort to ensure the right kind of relationship with his best defensive player.
Regardless, the clock continues to tick toward, well, something. Whatever the deadline may be, the deadline is approaching. And if the gap is ever going to be bridged between franchise and franchise player who is a year from being franchise tagged, the sooner they do it, the sooner the Rams will be in position to reap the benefit of a guy who can wreak havoc on any offense he faces.
Beginning in Week One, when McVay’s team takes on the offense run by his mentor, new/old Raiders coach Jon Gruden.
znModeratorAndy Benoit@Andy_Benoit
No player outperforms his body type more than Matt Longacre.Lamarcus Joyner has outstanding range and coverage flexibility, is also a great hitter.
Love Aaron Donald, but how does a member of a run D that ranked 30th in yards allowed per attempt run away with Defensive Player of the Year?
CBs Talib and Peters need a potent pass rush in front of them. Their gambles work when defense forces the ball out early. When it doesn’t, gambles can backfire.
#Rams defense star-studded in places, but questions at wide DE, LB and safety, and almost no back 7 depth to speak of.
#Rams might miss Tavon Austin. His gadgetry brought a lot of deception to the scheme.
Andrew Whitworth is most commanding pass-blocker in NFL in terms of fundamentals, but only when he’s dictating the terms. When he’s in reaction mode, his age shows.
Kupp has a high-level understanding of how plays are designed to beat specific coverages.
#Rams will be great in 3×1 sets this year. Gurley as receiver here, Cooks drawing double-teams on weak side.
Gerald Everett an important piece for #Rams. McVay wants a receiving TE like he had in Washington (Jordan Reed).
#Rams OL under Aaron Kromer was the most improved unit in NFL last year.
It’s between Aaron Kromer and Bill Callahan for best zone-oriented OL coach in football.
Left side of #Rams OL, especially guard Saffold, is as good as any in the screen game.
Gurley has good wiggle but not GREAT change-of-direction. Those are 2 subtly different things.
Gurley a perfect fit in a zone scheme and backfield screen passing game like #Rams feature.
Goff must get better in messy pockets. He’s shown progress here.
Jared Goff a more talented Kirk Cousins. You can go far with that.
#Rams on the cusp of being the best play-action offense in football.
McVay masterful in the hurry-up game, imagine he’ll play 3-WR packages and go hurry-up a lot in 2018.
znModeratorHow Much Will Los Angeles’ Starters Play vs. Houston on Saturday?
Myles Simmons
https://www.therams.com/news/how-much-will-los-angeles-starters-play-vs-houston-on-saturday
The third preseason game is traditionally known as the “dress rehearsal” game around the NFL, where starters get their last bit of preseason work before the games count.
After head coach Sean McVay elected to rest all but two starters for the first couple of exhibition matchups, most starters appear slated to play in the game against the Texans.
However, McVay did say on Thursday that running back Todd Gurley, left tackle Andrew Whitworth, and center John Sullivan will not be a part of Saturday’s action. And depending on the availability of right tackle Rob Havenstein — who tweaked an ankle during practice this week — quarterback Jared Goff also may not play.Defensively, however, the starters all seem good to go — with the exception of Mark Barron, who McVay has said will not see game action until Week 1. This will be the first chance to see defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh, cornerback Aqib Talib, and cornerback Marcus Peters in a Rams uniform at the Coliseum. It will also be Cory Littleton’s first test as Los Angeles’ defensive signal-caller.
“[W]e try to do everything like game situations all the time,” Littleton said this week. “So wholeheartedly, I feel like I should be ready.”
With Suh, the veteran defensive lineman said one reason he’s looking forward to playing is because he’ll be able to actually tackle to the ground.
“I think it’s good. And kind of going back to having the opportunity to go against other teams like Baltimore, like we did two weeks ago,” Suh said. “And, obviously, getting real, live game action — because in those practices, we can’t hit the quarterback. But in these games, we can. So it’s always good to get a couple bumps, hits, and get to the real thing in Week 1.”Peters kept it fairly simple when describing what he’s looking to accomplish in Saturday’s contest, saying he’d like to see the defense record three-and-outs and get off the field.
“We go out there execute the play calls, and go out there and we have fun — first time being back there on the field. And enjoy our work that we get for the day,” Peters said.
Talib and Peters have formed a partnership on and off the field through the offseason program and training camp, but now will need to translate that to game action. Talib said this week that’s one task he’s look to accomplish on Saturday.“I think the feel is there. But this game will be good for us, too, getting those full-speed reps with the safeties, with all of us together, Cory [Littleton] — just everybody that has to communicate in that backend, all of us getting full-speed reps,” Talib said. “I’m sure they’ll hit us with some tempo, so we have to communicate fast. We’ll have our crowd, so it’ll be loud, a lot of signaling. So it’ll be good for all of us.”
It’s probably reasonable to expect the starters to play a few series on Saturday — not too much, but enough to establish a bit of a rhythm. And in that time, McVay said he’d like for the units to “play crisp, play sound, fundamental football.”
“Looking to see these guys just execute at a high level – know what their assignment is, play fast, play confident and really play together,” McVay continued. “But, you want to see good fundamentally-sound football. Just good execution on both sides and really, that third phase as well with special teams. That’s what we’re looking for.”August 24, 2018 at 12:18 pm in reply to: Preseason Rankings & what the expectations are, etc. #89789
znModeratorNo pressure, Jared Goff: Rams are ready for a Super Bowl run
Dan Graziano
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24455532/no-pressure-jared-goff-rams-ready-super-bowl-run
IRVINE, Calif. — Jared Goff bites his nails, which is weird because that’s a habit you normally associate with nervous people, and Goff doesn’t otherwise strike you as a nervous person.
“I need to stop. It’s gross,” the Los Angeles Rams’ 23-year-old quarterback said, inspecting the gnawed-down nubs of his fingertips between training camp practices here in late July. “It’s terrible. I’ve never been able to stop. Because most times, I’m unconsciously doing it. I don’t even know I’m doing it until I look down. And I know it’s terrible. It hurts.”
Not to minimize the issue of nail-biting, but if this is what qualifies as a major problem in Goff’s world, he has come a long way in 12 months. This time last year, the No. 1 pick in the 2016 NFL draft was coming off a frustrating rookie season, confronting an external perception that he might be a bust, and working with a new coaching staff that didn’t initially know what to make of him.
“I would say that we had a lot of confidence in terms of what he could become, but we were really just getting familiar with each other,” Rams coach Sean McVay said. “What you did really like about him was, when you look at his history, this is somebody that’s overcome some adversity. And I never sensed that he was fazed by the way the rookie year went.”
He was not, and the result of the Goff/McVay partnership was a stunning 2017 turnaround for both quarterback and franchise. The Rams went 11-5 last year, their first winning season since 2003, and won the NFC West. That may not have been possible if not for Goff’s ability to shrug off negatives.
“He has a great ability,” Rams left tackle Andrew Whitworth said of his young quarterback, “to not let the past be his label.”
Which was great last year, but this year is a different story. Now, for Goff, McVay and the Rams, the pressure is on. They’re not sneaking up on anyone this time. They’re the favorites to repeat as division champs and they’re being hailed as a Super Bowl contender in what looks like a loaded NFC. The story of this year’s Rams is no longer “When will they get it together?” It’s now, “What can they do for an encore?”
“We can’t rest on our laurels,” Rams GM Les Snead said. “Even after successful seasons, there are going to be those moments where you’re watching the film and throwing your remote. And you can’t let the wins diminish those moments. You have to take a hard look at where we can improve.”
Snead and the front office got after that in a big way, bringing in marquee defensive players such as Marcus Peters, Aqib Talib and Ndamukong Suh, trading for speedy wide receiver Brandin Cooks and locking up star running back Todd Gurley on a lucrative four-year deal. At this writing, they still hadn’t done the same for defensive superstar Aaron Donald, but they’re working on that. Assuming Donald gets signed and in camp in time for the start of the season, the roster looks primed for big things.
But much of the Rams’ 2018 story will rest on the continued development of Goff, who’s still a very young quarterback-in-progress and knows his story is still at its beginning. Last year was about establishing something and shrugging off a rough rookie season. This year is about Goff growing into what he and the Rams believe he can be.
“I think there was a lot of stuff going on last year, with the new system and just trying to focus and get better daily,” Goff said. “I wasn’t really too concerned with the past. I know what I can do. So it was just trying to focus and get where I needed to be to lead this offense and be successful, and I felt like we did a lot of good things. So, trying to continue to build on that and get better this year.”
It’s not as if Goff doesn’t pay attention to what’s said about him. He was aware, for example, when details got reported of how the Rams’ offense would hustle to the line quickly so that McVay could relay as much pre-snap information as possible to him before reaching the 15-second mark on the play clock, which is the point where coach/QB headset communication is cut off. He thinks that got a bit too much attention.
“God forbid a guy in his first year in a new system, second year in the NFL, is getting a little information from the head coach. Not the end of the world,” Goff said. “We’re just doing things the way everyone else does, but the way [McVay] talks and the way he communicates is just so vivid and detailed, he really does give me a lot of information.
“As time goes on, I’ll hopefully become more in control of that, and as more ownership comes. I expect some of that this season and as time goes on.”
The Rams wouldn’t have traded up to take Goff No. 1 in the draft — ahead of Philadelphia wunderkind Carson Wentz — if they didn’t expect him to shoulder a great deal of responsibility. When they looked at him coming out of college, they saw a guy who’d performed well under pressure, in spite of some offensive line issues Cal was having while he was the Golden Bears’ quarterback.
“The nuance of that was the little subtleties — to be able to step here or there in the pocket, make a pass from unscheduled positions … there was a deceptive mobility there,” Snead recalled. “And also the ability to throw touchdown passes in the red zone. There’s a lot of people in college football that may throw the touchdown pass outside the 20-yard line, deep balls and things like that. Those are low-percentage shots in the NFL. But to be able to go inside the 20, inside the 10, where things squinch up and the windows get tighter — doing some analytics over the years, guys who were able to throw touchdowns in those tight windows in college translate.”
Goff had 23 touchdowns and no picks in the red zone last season, compared to four TDs and one interception in the red zone in seven starts during his rookie year.
He is now poised to take on more responsibility. Yes, the Rams have done everything they could do to surround Goff with people who help get the best out of him. Veteran offensive linemen like Whitworth and center John Sullivan. Receivers like Cooks and 2017 breakout star Robert Woods. A true franchise running back in Gurley, who was drafted a year before. An extremely quarterback-friendly head coach in McVay.
But the development of the Rams’ offense going forward will track the development of Goff himself. All of those other pieces are established in their roles. (Sure, McVay has only one year as a head coach, but his chops as a nimble offensive mind are well established.) If Goff plays exactly the same as he did last year, the Rams know what they can do with that. The goal is for him to continue to improve, develop and take on more responsibility, so that they can find out how high they can push the ceiling of what they can do.
“I think it’s just going to be about that continued ownership,” McVay said. “We always talk about the quarterback being an extension of our coaching staff, understanding the intent of every single play, being disciplined, being able to read with his feet. You look at the guys around the league that have consistently produced. They don’t take sacks. They’re finding completions, getting the ball out of their hands. Those are the things we expect him to continue to grow with.”
Goff’s in a place right now where he can breathe, and maybe not concern himself with 2017 perceptions that he was the wrong pick at No. 1 or whether he got enough development as a rookie. Now, he can get really specific on ways in which he’s trying to get the ball out more quickly so that he can be an even bigger part of his own protection. He’s drilling down on the specifics of his receivers’ routes and the various concepts McVay’s trying to articulate — not just in the final pre-snap seconds, but all week in meetings.
“Just the little details of it that I maybe couldn’t understand last year just because I wasn’t as in-depth with it purely because of time — not having enough time to learn it all,” Goff said. “I think last year, I felt like I knew a lot. But looking back, you didn’t know that much. And I think next year, I’ll feel that way about this year, and on and on like that as you go.”
Of course, if Goff’s first couple of years in the league have taught him anything, it’s to not look back. As the 2018 season dawns, Goff and the Rams are looking forward, and hoping things can continue to get brighter for all of them
znModeratormax
What happened is this (according to Vinny). The plan coming out of game 2 was to sit AW and play NB and Hav. So AW didn’t get the prep work for game 3, it went to NB. Then Hav tweaked his ankle late Monday and didn’t realize until Tuesday that he shouldn’t practice. Then it was too late to get AW back on board and move NB to RT. Plus they want to get NB as much work at LT as possible to prep for regular season backup roll.Honestly, all this start Goff stuff is way overblown, IMO. The most important thing coming out of it is NB being a very encouraging development. Actually, if he develops into a legit LT, it’s a rare feat.
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Max: follow-up
Also, Vinny told me the coaches are extremely confident in Noteboom. His exact words were Noteboom is “VERY VERY IMPRESSIVE.” And Allen also.
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