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znModeratorGeoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
I rarely geek out over meeting people but I saw Orlando Pace walking on the street in Atlanta and went to say Hi. He almost crushed my hand on the shake. I’ve said this for awhile but Hall of Famers are just built differently. They aren’t human.Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
The Rams are the only team in the NFL to use the franchise tag in each of the last three years. Will they extend their streak in 2019?I doubt it
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Chris Simms reports on @PFT_Live that the Giants almost traded OBJ during the season…to the Patriots đź‘€
znModeratorRob Guerrera@StatsOnFire
.@ProFootballTalk: “I feel like the Rams are cooking up some sort of all-in move that makes us say, ‘Oh crap.'” Mentions Antonio Brown or OBJ as a move that would fit that description.Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
Wide receiver is the least of LA’s concerns. Unless you’re moving Woods/Kupp, for whatever reason.An “oh crap” move would be Von Miller 👀
znModeratorYeah, I wonder….
February 18, 2019 at 10:02 am in reply to: FAs (theirs, outsiders) & other moves: what should the Rams do? (articles etc.) #98130
znModeratorRams have plenty of decisions to make on defense this offseason
znModeratorKaepernick, through his actions, at the very least got…
the issue of social injustice into the public conversation, and
the NFL to donate $89 million to social justice causes
I agree with that except the lawsuit, strictly speaking, was not about social justice.
Some out there argue that because he settled, that means he was only about money all along and is a sell-out who was never a sincere social justice activist.
This is my response to just THAT stuff. The suit had nothing directly to do with social activism. He never said it did, and it doesn’t even make sense to claim it did. The suit was directly about reclaiming money he lost because, he argues, the league colluded to prevent him from signing with anyone. That’s hard to prove but then the way those rules work, all you need is one team colluding with the league office, and that qualifies.
I mean if he had persisted and won the suit what “social justice” gain would there have been? None. He would have shown the league had violated its own “no collusion” rule and he would have gotten the money he said he was denied.
I think the confusion comes from people who want to discredit him because they don’t like his political statement with the anthem. So they act like the suit was somehow about “social justice” (even though that makes no sense) and therefore that settling means he sold out.
I don’t think so at all. The suit was about money the whole time. Recovering the money he claims he lost. Same thing if he went ahead with it and won. Though if he went ahead with it and won, he would have also gotten the added-on punitive damages, so it would have been even more money.
znModeratorI’m willing to be skeptical on that.
But, I am not sure the issue is so cut n dried.
February 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm in reply to: FAs (theirs, outsiders) & other moves: what should the Rams do? (articles etc.) #98121
znModeratorOffseason Outlook: With Talib and Peters, Rams have answers at outside CB for 2019
znModeratorCooks? We’ve discussed this before, and I think you and I are basically on the same page here. Though I may see him as more problematic on contested passes than you do. To me, he’s actually a liability in those situations. He almost never comes down with those passes, and this opens up more potential for interceptions, etc.
To just pick up on one specific thing, I agree that that is Cooks;s limitation. He is absolutely not good at that.
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February 17, 2019 at 10:09 am in reply to: FAs (theirs, outsiders) & other moves: what should the Rams do? (articles etc.) #98108
znModeratorOffseason Outlook: Rams in good shape at WR with Cooks, Woods leading the way
Amid offseason coaching moves, Rams hope to keep Jared Goff comfortable
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znModeratorI wonder what else they’re going to find that way.
See global warming has all sorts of benefits.
znModeratorPFF LA Rams@PFF_Rams
In limited usage this postseason, Todd Gurley had the 4th highest Run Grade and ranked 2nd in Yards After Contact per Attempt
znModeratorDr Boyce Watkins@drboycewatkins1
I’m not sure why we call @SteveHarveyFM a sellout for trading integrity for money, while @Kaepernick7 just took a payoff from the NFL to remain silent. Aren’t they pretty much doing the same thing?Marc Lamont Hill@marclamonthill
Kaepernick took legal action against the league and was compensated for his lost wages. He hasn’t remained silent on issues of integrity. He hasn’t sold out.
znModeratorBenjamin Allbright@AllbrightNFL
Seems everything I see is people trying to spin NFL-Kaepernick settlement through the filter of their pre conceived politcs.Set those aside for a minute.
Settlement is a win-win. Short of a smoking gun, which they did not have, Kaepernick was going to have a very difficult time (near impossible) proving the league actually colluded to keep him unemployed…at least to the letter of the law.
The NFL now gets to keep private communications private, something that would have been difficult to do in discovery.
In the end Kaepernick gets what he believes to be fair compensation, and the league gets it to “go away.”
Regardless of what you feel about politics, intentions etc. Settlement was in everyone’s best interest.
znModeratorColin Kaepernick and Eric Reid Settle Collusion Grievance With the NFL: What’s the Significance?
MICHAEL MCCANN
Michael McCann is SI’s legal analyst. He is also Associate Dean of the University of New Hampshire School of Law and editor and co-author of The Oxford Handbook of American Sports Law and Court Justice: The Inside Story of My Battle Against the NCAA.
Colin Kaepernick’s multi-year quest to prove that NFL teams conspired to exclude him from the league has ended without a finding.
On Friday, Kaepernick’s attorney, Mark Geragos, tweeted that Kaepernick—who last threw an NFL pass 25 months ago—and Eric Reid have resolved their pending grievances with the NFL. Shortly thereafter the NFL released an identical statement. Terms of the settlement are unknown. The parties have agreed to a confidentiality agreement, meaning any terms or findings from the grievance process are forbidden from disclosure.
As discussed below, either side can spin this settlement as a win. No doubt, it will be spun by Kaepernick’s supporters and his critics alike. In reality, the settlement is more like a draw that underscores the relative strengths and weaknesses for each side. Also, the absence of public knowledge of the terms of the settlement makes classifying it as a “win” or “loss” highly speculative.
A brief timeline of relevant facts that preceded Kaepernick filing his collusion grievance
In August 2016, Kaepernick, who then played for the San Francisco 49ers, began to kneel during the pre-game playing of the national anthem. Kaepernick described his kneeling as a non-violent form of expression designed to raise awareness of social and racial injustices. Kaepernick became both a recipient of praise and a target of hate. His advocates, who included Reid and other players who soon joined him in kneeling, lauded Kaepernick for calling attention to social causes. His critics denounced the kneeling as disrespectful to the country and as damaging to the NFL’s business model.
In 2016 Kaepernick played in 12 games for the 49ers, starting the team’s final 11 games of the season. San Francisco struggled during that stretch, but Kaepernick played reasonably well, throwing 16 touchdown passes against four interceptions, rushing for 468 yards and amassing a QB rating of 90.7. His QB rating was ranked 17th in the NFL and superior to the QB ratings of Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer and several other starting quarterbacks. While Kaepernick was not at the level of a Tom Brady or an Aaron Rodgers, he was, at least statistically, a “middle of the pack” starting NFL quarterback.
While Kaepernick’s kneeling was a cultural phenomenon during the 2016 season, it didn’t take legal significance until ’17, when on March 3 Kaepernick opted out of his contract with the 49ers and relinquishing a contractual right to $14.5 million in salary. However, it’s unlikely Kaepernick would have received that salary: the 49ers general manager John Lynch planned to cut Kaepernick. By opting out, Kaepernick preempted the 49ers releasing him and gave himself, along with his agents Sean Kiernan and Jeff Nalley of Select Sports Group, more time to find a new team.
Now 714 days later, no new team has surfaced. Kaepernick received no offers in 2017, despite having a stronger ’16 season than the year before and despite several teams clearly needing a quarterback. The closest Kaepernick came to an offer was in the fall of 2017, when the Baltimore Ravens considered extending him one, but according to published reports, ultimately declined.
Explanations for Kaepernick’s failed free agency have included that teams are supposedly unwilling to embrace his mobile style of play, even though several teams use mobile quarterbacks (Marcus Mariota, Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are among them, and one might argue likely 2018 NFL MVP Patrick Mahomes fits that depiction as well). Other commentators speculate that Kaepernick would only agree to sign with a team as a starter and that such supposed insistence has diminished teams’ interest. The defect with this purported explanation is that it hasn’t been tested: Kaepernick hasn’t turned down an offer to become a backup quarterback because he hasn’t been offered such a chance.
Instead, many have surmised that teams don’t want him because of his kneeling. Either teams philosophically disagree with his behavior or fear that signing him would lead to a sideshow distraction for the team.
Kaepernick’s theory of collusion
On Oct. 15, 2017 Kaepernick, with the assistance of his attorneys Mark Geragos and Ben Meiselas, filed his collusion grievance against the NFL. To prove collusion, Kaepernick needed to establish more than teams deciding to exclude him because they disagreed with his kneeling or his political views. In fact, a team owner or general manager could have openly admitted to not offering Kaepernick a contract because of the anthem without such an admission proving collusion. Collusion, instead, requires cooperation or agreement between at least two teams, or between at least one team and the league, to deprive Kaepernick of the chance to play. A team cannot collude with itself.
Over the first 10 months of the grievance procedure, Kaepernick’s legal team engaged in “discovery.” This refers to neutral arbitrator Stephen Burbank permitting Kaepernick’s legal team to access relevant NFL records and depose owners and executives under oath. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, the late Houston Texans owner Bob McNair, New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft and Denver Broncos general manager John Elway were all required to give testimony.
In April 2018, The New York Times reported on leaked recordings from an Oct. 2017 meeting between NFL players, NFL owners and league officials. The meeting made clear that several owners openly worried about President Donald Trump sharply criticizing both players who kneeled and the owners who employed them. Trump—who at different points in the past contemplated buying the New England Patriots and the Buffalo Bills, and who once sued the NFL as part of his involvement in the USFL—has repeatedly complained that NFL owners receive undeserved tax breaks in the construction of new stadiums. In tweets, the President has linked that view with his frustration over the NFL’s response, or lack-there-of, to kneeling players, including one tweet where he warned that the government ought to “change tax law!”
Central to Kaepernick’s theory of collusion is the contention that NFL owners and team officials have conspired to exclude Kaepernick because they are fearful of Trump. Along those lines, there is belief among persons close to Kaepernick that Trump has personally relayed concerns. It has been noticed that Trump began to criticize Kaepernick and owners on March 20, 2017, which is one day after he flew on Air Force One with Kraft (working against that suspicion is the fact that Kraft openly criticized the President over his comments about kneeling players).
Significance of Kaepernick defeating the NFL on summary judgment
Kaepernick’s collusion grievance received significant skepticism and Twitter ridicule. Many scoffed at the idea that teams would plot against a quarterback who led his team to a 2–14 record. Instead, his critics surmised, Kaepernick was simply upset about the lack of offers and, to deflect blame, invented a storyline that blamed others.
That skepticism changed dramatically last August when Burbank denied the NFL’s request for summary judgment. This was a major development, meaning that Kaepernick had persuaded Burbank that he possessed enough evidence sufficient to raise a genuine issue of material fact. In other words, Kaepernick had some evidence, even if the nature of this evidence remains unknown to the public. Also, due to the settlement’s non-disclosure agreement, the nature of this evidence will remain out of public light. In fact, both sides could be sued for breach of contract lawsuit if they divulge the contents. Meanwhile, attorneys in the grievance who breach confidentiality could risk sanction by state bars. That doesn’t mean we can’t speculate about the evidence. Such evidence could be in the form of an admission made during witness testimony (attorneys Geragos and Meiselas have deposed a number of owners, team officials and NFL officials) or perhaps a damning email, text or other correspondence sent by one owner to another.
For the NFL, the summary judgment ruling made the possibility of losing to Kaepernick a legitimate worry. The NFL knew that Kaepernick and his legal team had persuaded Burbank that evidence of collusion was present.
To be sure, Kaepernick still faced an upward climb in proving collusion. Under Article 17 of the CBA, Kaepernick had to prove collusion by (1) a “clear preponderance of the evidence” that collusion occurred and (2) that such collusion caused him economic harm—and this would have been a high standard to meet. Still, the NFL losing on summary judgment informed league officials that Kaepernick’s case was not frivolous and was instead an actual threat.
Why the NFL agreed to settle with Kaepernick (and Reid)
The NFL likely settled for a multitude of reasons.
First, the league may have realized after losing to Kaepernick on summary judgment that it could have lost the entire grievance. Burbank clearly saw “something” adverse to the NFL or else he would have granted summary judgment and tossed out Kaepernick’s grievance. The fact that he didn’t was clearly a worry to the league.
Second, a loss to Kaepernick on the merits would have been a public relations disaster for the NFL. Kaepernick would have shown that at least two teams, or the league and at least one team, had conspired against him. This type of finding would have been construed by media as proving that NFL owners are racially-insensitive or even racist. Kaepernick, for his part, would have been celebrated as a hero while Goodell would have been vilified (I realize many already view him as a villain, but that narrative would have taken on greater momentum). By settling instead, the NFL avoids admitting it did anything wrong. Don’t underestimate the value to the NFL is avoiding saying “we were wrong.” That value was apparent in the concussion litigation settlement and could be true here as well.
Third, a finding that the NFL colluded would have been badly damaging to labor relations between owners and players. The NFLPA would know for a fact that teams had colluded against at least one of its members and perhaps two if Reid was also victimized by collusion. Ask baseball players and the MLBPA how it was impacted upon a finding that MLB owners had colluded against baseball players in the 1980s: the finding caused lasting distrust. Moreover, considering the NFL and the NFLPA still haven’t solved the apparent riddle of how to craft a sensible national anthem policy, the NFL losing to Kaepernick would have emboldened the NFLPA to continue the fight over the anthem.
Fourth, the negative impact that would have been associated with the NFL losing to Kaepernick would have been exacerbated by the fact that Burbank was completely neutral. His decision would have been authoritative and credible. Likewise, the odds that the NFL could have successfully challenged Burbank’s award in federal court were exceedingly slim. Federal law is highly deferential to arbitration awards. It is extremely unlikely that Burbank would have made the kind of fundamental error necessary to undermine his award before a federal judge.
Fifth, the NFL and its teams could have owed Kaepernick a sizable amount of money. To be sure, the league could afford to write a large check. It reportedly generated about $15 billion in revenue last season. Still, at least in theory, Kaepernick could have been entitled to an amount of money higher than that paid to highest paid quarterback in the league (Aaron Rodgers, $33.5 million). Specifically, Kaepernick would have been be awarded both compensatory damages and non-compensatory damages (the latter of which would have reflected punitive or punishment damages). Burbank would have calculated compensatory as the salary Kaepernick would have earned but for collusion, while non-compensatory would have equaled twice the amount of compensatory damages. Hypothetically, if Kaepernick had proven he would have signed an $20 million contract—a contract for a middle-of-the-pack starting QB—but for collusion, Burbank would have awarded him $60 million in damages: $20 million compensatory + $40 million non-compensatory.
Sixth, there was an admittedly slim and farfetched possibility that Burbank ruling in favor of Kaepernick would have led to termination of the entire CBA. Under Article 17, (1) if Kaepernick had shown “clear and convincing evidence” that 14 or more teams had colluded against him; (2) if Burbank had found that these teams engaged in “willful collusion with the intent to restrain competition among teams”; and (3) if the NFLPA was the party the brought the proceeding that led to a finding of 14 or more teams colluding against Kaepernick—note the many “ifs” in that sequence—the NFLPA could have elected to terminate the CBA, which is set to expire in 2020. Obviously, it’s unknown if Kaepernick could have proven such a wide-ranging conspiracy, though it is perhaps notable that Burbank did not dismiss any teams from the grievance.
Regardless, in the unlikely scenario the NFLPA would have been given an option to terminate the CBA, it probably would have declined. A termination could have led to a work stoppage and it’s unclear if the NFLPA would have been prepared to negotiate a new CBA with the league.
Lastly, the NFL was likely worried about potential disclosures from the grievance process. Geragos and Meiselas have already deposed a number of owners, team officials and league officials. Transcripts of such testimony could include unflattering and insensitive statements by those witnesses. Further, it’s possible that Kaepernick’s attorneys have uncovered damming texts, emails and other messages that might embarrass the league and its teams. The NFL has long tried to avoid the discovery process and disclosure of any discovery. It is one of the reasons why the NFL reached a global settlement on concussion litigation: to avoid the public learning how the league really does business.
Why Kaepernick (and Reid) agreed to settle
Like the NFL, Kaepernick had plenty of reasons to settle before waiting for Burbank’s decision.
First, Kaepernick and his legal team were disadvantaged by the applicable burden for proving collusion under Article 17. Burbank would have only ruled for Kaepernick if he identified a “clear preponderance of the evidence” that collusion took place and caused Kaepernick economic harm. This burden is higher than the “preponderance of the evidence” burden used in civil cases, a burden that colloquially means “more probable than not.” The insertion of “clear” before “preponderance” means Burbank had to be clearly convinced. If he only leaned in favor of Kaepernick’s arguments, that would not have been enough. Kaepernick had to have made a compelling showing to win. Although it’s impossible to assess the odds of the NFL or Kaepernick winning given that the evidence remains hidden, the applicable burden alone clearly favored the NFL.
Second, Kaepernick losing the grievance would have brought him scorn from his many critics. The fact that Kaepernick defeated the NFL on summary judgment would have been ignored, and the focus would have been on Kaepernick losing at the end, and the symbolism that loss would have carried.
To that point, Kaepernick is likely more marketable by settling than losing. Nike has made him the primary face of its 30th anniversary “Just Do It” campaign and pays him several million dollars a year. While Kaepernick losing his grievance would not have caused Nike to cut him, a loss would have at least dented his marketability. Perhaps stated too bluntly, nobody likes a loser and apparel companies are aware of that when assessing an athlete and celebrity’s endorsement value.
That’s not to say Kaepernick “cutting a deal” with the NFL won’t be used against him. By settling, some might question whether he was really a warrior of social justice. They could say if he’s willing to deal with the NFL, presumably for a financial payment (which as Robert Raiola notes would probably be taxable), then he put money above justice. To rebut that point Kaepernick could highlight how he has pledged many millions of dollars to charity in order to advance social causes. He could further maintain that the NFL would only agree to settle with him if they feared losing. That could be inferred as a sign that Kaepernick had made the NFL worry.
Along those lines, when does the NFL ever settle with individual players over their grievances? The league took Tom Brady, Adrian Peterson and Ezekiel Elliott to federal court, and it battled against Ray Rice and Greg Hardy until there were arbitration awards. Sure, it looks like (for now) the league and Kareem Hunt might not end up battling each other in arbitration or court, but let’s see how that plays out. The larger point is by settling with Kaepernick and Reid, the NFL could be viewed as less confident. That, in turn, could be construed by Kaepernick as a sign he really won.
Third, Kaepernick might now be better positioned to sign with an NFL team. He is no longer associated with a collusion grievance. A team doesn’t have to worry about whether communicating with him could become admissible evidence before the arbitrator. Kaepernick just saw Reid sign a three-year, $22 million contract with the Carolina Panthers. Maybe Kaepernick believes that he is set to sign with a team.
Why Kaepernick’s discussions with the AAF did not impact his grievance
Friday’s settlement between Kaepernick and the NFL brings new context to a report on by Barry Wilner of the Associated Press. Citing an unnamed source with knowledge of discussions between Kaepernick and the Alliance of American Football, Wilner reported that Kaepernick and the AAF had engaged in talks and that Kaepernick demanded at least $20 million to play in the AAF. On Friday, the Action Network’s Darren Rovell confirmed that Kaepernick negotiated with the AAF. Rovell reported Kaepernick’s demand exceeded $20 million.
• Making sense of Kaepernick demanding $20 million from the AAF
A $20 million a salary would hardly resemble a salary paid to any other AAF player. AAF players are paid, on average, about $83,000 a season.
A $20 million demand is much more in line with the salary of a middle-of-the-pack starting quarterback in the NFL. Data from Spotrac shows that a $20 million salary for an NFL quarterback would place his salary 16th among NFL quarterback salaries. Specifically, a QB paid $20 million would rank behind the 15th highest paid QB (Cam Newton, whose salary is $20.8 million) and ahead of the QB who would become the 17th highest-paid QB (Ryan Tannehill, whose salary is $19.3 million).
As detailed above, one could credibly argue that the 31-year-old Kaepernick is (or was) a middle-of-the-pack starting NFL quarterback and thus ought to be paid like one. If Kaepernick demanded $20 million from the AAF, one might surmise that he wasn’t genuinely interested in playing in the AAF. That could prove both factually true and an understandable perspective for someone in Kaepernick’s position to adopt. The AAF consists largely of players who have played sparingly in the NFL or simply failed in the NFL. The AAF’s salary structure is in line with such a player profile. Kaepernick knows that he has achieved a vastly superior profile.
To that point, and whatever one thinks about Kaepernick’s kneeling or his politics in general, Kaepernick’s statistical profile is more in line with an ordinary starting NFL quarterback. During his six seasons in the NFL, Kaepernick threw for 70 touchdowns and rushed for 13 more while throwing 30 interceptions. His career QB rating of 89 is superior to those of Joe Flacco (84), Eli Manning (84), Alex Smith (87) and Ryan Tannehill (87). Given this data, Kaepernick might conclude that he would be paid about $20 million if he played in the NFL. He could also surmise that he shouldn’t accept less than that amount from any league.
Kaepernick also has the financial leverage to decline to play with inferior players in an inferior league where he would face a risk of concussions and other serious injuries. As mentioned earlier, Kaepernick has an endorsement deal with Nike that reportedly pays him several millions of dollars a year. Kaepernick also earned more than $43 million in his six NFL seasons. Chances are, he doesn’t ever need to work again.
Whether or not Kaepernick demanded many millions of dollars from the AAF and whether or not such a demand ought to be regarded as reasonable or unreasonable for someone in Kaepernick’s position, Kaepernick’s discussions with the AAF did not impact his collusion grievance against the NFL.
Here’s why. Kaepernick insisting on $20 million—or $200 million, $2 million or even $2—from the AAF is outside the scope of his grievance under Article 17 of the CBA. A collusion grievance under Article 17 concerns labor and contract issues in the NFL, not those in other leagues.
As explained above, NFL collusion refers to at least two NFL teams, or the league and at least one team, conspiring to deprive a player of a collectively bargained right. Kaepernick has insisted that his right to sign with an NFL team was denied by a conspiracy of at least a couple of teams. If Kaepernick had proven that a team didn’t sign him because of his kneeling, Kaepernick would have proven a newsworthy political point that would have been sure to catch fire on social media. However, he would have not proven collusion. To prove that, Kaepernick needed to show a plot involving more than one team to keep him out of the NFL.
It’s important to note that Burbank’s analysis was limited to the boundaries of the Article 17 and the grievance’s record. Article 17 only concerns parties governed by the collective bargaining agreement—meaning NFL players, NFL teams, NFL owners and the league. Kaepernick’s negotiations with the AAF, or his discussions with Nike and other commercial entities, were outside the scope of the grievance.
Similarly, even if Kaepernick had proved that an NFL owner and President Trump had conspired in their opposition to Kaepernick, that fact wouldn’t have proven collusion. The President, like AAF and Nike officials, is only a third party in relationship to the CBA between the relevant bargaining units (the NFL Management Council and the NFLPA). Burbank, a seasoned attorney and a highly-regarded law professor at the University of Pennsylvania, was extremely unlikely to have exceeded the permissible scope of his authority as the arbitrator. To do so could have made an arbitration award (whether it was for the NFL or for Kaepernick) vulnerable to being vacated by a federal judge.
Kaepernick’s collusion was also governed by a relevant timeline. Under Article 17, a grievance must be filed within 90 days of the time when the player knows, or reasonably should have known, that he was victimized by collusion. Kaepernick filed his grievance in October 2017, meaning the alleged collusion (or at least the first act of alleged collusion) most likely began in the summer or fall of 2017. Kaepernick’s negotiations with the AAF over the last several months had no relevance to a claim against multiple NFL teams two years ago.
Kaepernick’s negotiations with the AAF confirm that he remains interested in playing pro football. But he’ll only do so at a salary that he believes justifies his talents and that helps to validate why he engaged in a historic, multi-year legal fight against the NFL.
znModeratorAlbert Breer@AlbertBreer
The NFL has found a way to dodge discovery in open court consistently, and that had to be a huge factor in settling with Kaepernick/Reid. The closer you got to that, the more likely the payout was coming.Michael McCann@McCannSportsLaw
Once arbitrator Stephen Burbank denied the NFL’s request for summary judgment last August–meaning Colin Kaepernick had shown a genuine issue of material fact–the NFL realized they could lose to Kaepernick if they wait for Burbank to rule. A settlement is a draw & avoids a loss.
znModeratorThe game of the season! 🙌
Arguably the greatest game of all time! 👀@Chiefs vs @RamsNFL 🔥
All the crazy Touchdowns in 60 seconds ⏱ pic.twitter.com/1S8MVZ2gkI
— NFL UK (@NFLUK) February 15, 2019
znModeratorD’Marco Farr@DMarcoFarr1
John Johnson III did some I never thought possible for a DB in the modern era….between reg and post season 19 starts 136 total tackles 5 picks 12 PD… Not. A. Single. Penalty. Called. On. Him.ProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalk
Kyle Van Noy “couldn’t believe” Rams didn’t try anything different
znModeratorNFL puts two Rams wins among four best games of 2018 season
NFL puts two Rams wins among four best games of 2018 season
Although the Los Angeles Rams’ season ended in disappointing and heartbreaking fashion, there was no lack of excitement from September to February. Aside from a few blowouts, the Rams played some riveting games against many of the best teams in the NFL – teams like the Saints and Chiefs.
To tie a bow on the season, the NFL picked its 20 best games of 2018. The Rams claimed six spots on the list, including two games in the top four – both wins by Los Angeles.
Here are the games the Rams were involved in–
17. Rams beat Vikings 38-31 in Week 4
15. Rams beat Packers 29-27 in Week 8
12. Saints beat Rams 45-35 in Week 9
8. Patriots beat Rams 13-3 in Super Bowl LIII
4. Rams beat Saints 26-23 in NFC championship
2. Rams beat Chiefs 54-51 in Week 11
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February 15, 2019 at 3:23 am in reply to: FAs (theirs, outsiders) & other moves: what should the Rams do? (articles etc.) #98060
znModeratorRams have $9 million decision to make with Marcus Peters this offseason
Cameron DaSilva
Rams have $9 million decision to make with Marcus Peters this offseason
The Los Angeles Rams appeared to strike gold last offseason when they acquired Marcus Peters – a two-time Pro Bowler – for the low cost of a second- and fourth-round pick. Everyone wondered how Los Angeles swiped one of the best cornerbacks in football from the Chiefs without having to relinquish a first-round pick.
After seeing him play in 2018, it’s easier to understand how exactly that happened. Peters took a step back and struggled in coverage when not assisted by Aqib Talib on the other side, making some believe the Chiefs actually got the better end of the deal.
Peters’ inconsistent play this past season makes his contract situation that much more difficult to handle. He’s owed $9.069 million on the fifth-year option in 2019, which the Rams picked up last April. Exct was a no-brainer at the time, giving them one more year of control over the cornerback.
After all, $9 million for a supposedly elite cornerback is an absolute steal, right? Well, Peters may not be an elite corner in Wade Phillips’ system, as evidenced by the 2018 season. Phillips likes to use more man coverage than zone, but to fit Peters’ skill set, the Rams went zone-heavy down the stretch. And it worked, but are they going to stick with that plan in 2019?
The Rams have a huge decision to make this offseason regarding Peters, his fifth-year option and his long-term future with the team. That decision will be made sooner rather than later, too. When March 13 hits, the Rams will be on the hook for that $9.069 million owed to Peters. They can rescind the fifth-year option, if they so choose, before that date and allow him to hit free agency.
The fifth-year option is only guaranteed for injury, so if the Rams don’t want to keep Peters around in 2019 and save $9 million, they can very easily do that. It might not be very likely, but it’s at least on the table.
znModeratorLongest-tenured Ram Rodger Saffold on upcoming free agency: “I don’t think it’s any surprise that I want to be back.”
Clarence Dennis
The Rams offensive line perhaps faces the most uncertainty of any position group entering the offseason as to who will or will not return for a 2019 run at returning to the Super Bowl.
Left guard Rodger Saffold joins aging offensive linemen in left tackle Andrew Whitworth and center John Sullivan in the upcoming uncertainty as he faces free agency after nine seasons with the club.
Saffold also joined Whitworth in picking up his first postseason win against the Cowboys in the Divisional round — a welcomed change after an admirable career with wins few and far between since he was drafted No. 33 overall in the 2010 by the Rams. After two winning seasons under head coach Sean McVay protecting quarterback Jared Goff, Saffold sees himself a part of the club once again in 2019.
“Of course,” Saffold said when asked if he hope to return to his spot on the line of scrimmage in L.A. “I’ve said that all throughout the year, so I don’t think it’s any surprise that I want to be back. At the end of the day though I need to make sure it’s something fair for me, something I can not take advantage of, but something that I can feel that I was treated fairly.”
Saffold isn’t the only one aware of the value he adds to the league’s No. 2 offense in 2018.
“Yeah, I would love to have them both back,” Goff said of the left half of his offensive line. “They’re both tremendous players. Guys that have been huge for us up front, leadership every day in meetings, everything, they’ve been so big for us.”
“[R]odger, he’s got a lot of great football in front of him I think, so hopefully it’s here with us playing for the Rams,” third-year right guard Austin Blythe said this week. “I’d like to have him back because I look up to how he plays, how he carries himself, so hopefully all five of us are back.”
The longest-tenured Ram, Saffold’s played in 114 games in the horns and his most-recent 16 regular-season outings were some of his best. Saffold’s offensive line took home the Built Ford Tough Offensive Line of the Year award at 2019 NFL Honors after leading the way in the Divisional round’s multi-back, 238-yard rushing attack and keeping Goff mostly upright in the NFC title game.
But a day after taking home the award for the league’s top offensive line, Saffold, Whitworth, Blythe and Co. were beat by the Patriots defense, Goff took 12 quarterback hits and four sacks on 42 dropbacks, and the Rams offense put up just three points — a performance that is tough to go out on.
“I’m sure that there will be conversations in the near future, but at the end of the day, definitely not how I wanted to end my possible last game with this team,” Saffold said on Tuesday.
But whether game No. 115 is with the Rams or elsewhere, Saffold doesn’t see Super Bowl LIII’s outcome throwing the Rams off course.
“It hurts right now, but these guys are resilient, these guys show great poise, and I expect everyone to come back and have another victorious season whether it’s with me or without.”
February 15, 2019 at 1:27 am in reply to: FAs (theirs, outsiders) & other moves: what should the Rams do? (articles etc.) #98053
znModerator6 potential cap casualties for the Rams in 2019
6 potential cap casualties for the Rams in 2019
The Los Angeles Rams are expected to have about $30 million in cap space this year as they enter roster-management mode for 2019. Like every other team, they’ll have big decisions to make on high-profile free agents like Ndamukong Suh and Lamarcus Joyner, which will have an impact on their salary cap.
Furthermore, cuts will be made in order to save the Rams money – cap casualties, as they’re often called. They have several options in that department, potentially freeing up a boatload of money.
If the Rams cut all six players on this list, they’d save $32.55 million in cap space for 2019, which would double their current total. Marcus Peters, who the Rams could save another $9 million by cutting, was excluded because Los Angeles would trade him before flat-out releasing him.
Michael Brockers
2019 cap hit: $11 million
Potential savings: $10.25 million
Brockers is one of the longest-tenured players on the Rams’ roster, but don’t be surprised if 2018 was his last season in L.A. He disappointed this season with just four tackles for loss and four quarterback hits – half as many of each as he had in 2017. With a potential savings of $10.25 million, cutting him has to at least cross the Rams’ mind.
This season, he was the 82nd-ranked interior defender by Pro Football Focus as he struggled to make a big impact next to Aaron Donald and Suh. The Rams could potentially release Brockers and use that $10.25 million to re-sign Suh.
Aqib Talib
2019 cap hit: $8 million
Potential savings: $8 million
Talib was very good when healthy in 2018 and has played well in recent years despite being past his prime years. That being said, he is 32 years old and there’s absolutely no penalty if the Rams cut him. It’s a straight savings of $8 million on the cap, which may not seem like a lot for a starting cornerback, but it could help the Rams bring back Rodger Saffold or pursue a pass rusher in free agency.
Cutting Talib is unlikely to happen because of the way he played this year and it’s clear Wade Phillips has a lot of respect for him, but don’t completely rule it out just yet.
Mark Barron
2019 cap hit: $9.67 million
Potential savings: $6.33 million
Barron has struggled to stay healthy the past two seasons and before he elevated his play in the postseason, he was a weak link on defense. He was missing tackles and allowing big runs, hurting the Rams with inconsistent play. To put his contract into perspective, his cap hit of $9.67 million in 2019 is the fourth-largest of any inside linebacker in the NFL, though he’s hardly the fourth-best player at his position.
There will be cheaper options available who will likely be better fits in the Rams’ 3-4 defense, and they have Micah Kiser waiting in the wings, too. Barron’s play simply doesn’t match his cost for L.A., which makes him a prime candidate to be released.
John Sullivan
2019 cap hit: $6.25 million
Potential savings: $5.25 million
Sullivan will be 34 years old in August and he’s become the worst of the Rams’ five offensive linemen. He really struggled in the Super Bowl and in the middle of the 2018 season, allowing constant pressure up the middle. With a potential savings of $5.25 million, don’t be surprised to see the Rams move on from the veteran in favor of a cheaper, younger option like 2018 draftee Brian Allen.
Sullivan could also retire, especially if the Rams say they’re going to release him, but he’s the biggest question mark on an otherwise great offensive line.
Tyler Higbee
2019 cap hit: $2.15 million
Potential savings: $2 million
Before you ask why the Rams would move on from Higbee, consider this: They were reportedly willing to trade him for a sixth-round pick last year, but the Vikings only offered a seventh. So it’s not out of the question for them to simply cut the tight end in order to get Gerald Everett, a former second-round pick, more playing time in 2019 and beyond.
Higbee played about twice as many snaps as Everett this past season but had fewer catches and yards. A potential savings of $2 million might be worth it enough for the Rams to move on and hand the keys to Everett.
ameron DaSilva | February 12, 2019 10:29 am ET
Mike Thomas
2019 cap hit: $749,017
Potential savings: $720,000
Cutting Thomas saves the Rams the least amount of money of any player on this list, but keeping him is far from a certainty. He spent just about the entire season on IR, but even going back to the two previous years, he’s contributed very little in L.A.
He has eight career catches for 130 yards and no touchdowns and hasn’t returned a single kick since 2016. Yes, he has good speed, but the Rams aren’t starved for depth at wide receiver and a draft pick would likely bring more potential than Thomas.
February 15, 2019 at 1:16 am in reply to: FAs (theirs, outsiders) & other moves: what should the Rams do? (articles etc.) #98052
znModeratorRams 2019 free agency preview: Tag, re-sign or let Dante Fowler Jr. walk?
Cameron DaSilva
Rams 2019 free agency preview: Tag, re-sign or let Dante Fowler Jr. walk?
The Los Angeles Rams went into the 2018 season knowing they needed help at outside linebacker. They began the year with Samson Ebukam and Matt Longacre starting, but that tandem simply didn’t get the job done. So they went out and acquired Dante Fowler Jr. at the trade deadline, sending Jacksonville a third-rounder in 2019 and a fifth-round pick in 2020.
It was a risky move for a relatively unproven player in a contract year, and now here they are with a big decision to make. Will they let Fowler walk after putting up 3.5 sacks in 11 games with the Rams? Or do they sign him to an extension, making this trade more than just a rental?
The franchise tag is also on the table, though that’s the costliest short-term option. We lay out all the options in this preview, continuing our daily free agency series.
2018 stats: (LA and JAX) 15 games, 30 tackles, 4.0 sacks, 5 TFL, 6 QB hits, 2 FF, 2 FR
Pro Football Focus grade: 67.3 (No. 53 edge defender)
AnalysisFowler was only a part-time player in Jacksonville, but with the Rams, he was playing just about every snap by the end of the year. He started six games and was far more impactful with Los Angeles than he was with the Jaguars. Does that mean his 2018 season was a success? Not necessarily.
He only had four sacks in 15 regular-season games, and 5.5 if you count the three additional playoff contests. So in 11 games with the Rams, he had 3.5 sacks. For a player on a defense with Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh, that’s obviously not a high number, but it doesn’t tell the whole story.
He made impactful plays in big moments, like a tone-setting hit on Ezekiel Elliott and getting to Drew Brees in the NFC championship to force an interception. He had four tackles for loss in those three postseason games, which is one more than Donald had.
It just remains to be seen if he can sustain success in the NFL for 16 games. He only has 16 career sacks in three seasons – excluding his missed 2015 campaign due to injury – and has just one year with more than four sacks. Paying a player like that north of $12 million for an extended period of time is a risky proposition.
Positional need: High
Arguably the biggest need for L.A. this offseason is at outside linebacker, and with the pass rush as a whole. If Fowler leaves, they’re looking at Samson Ebukam starting again and possibly Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, depending on what they do in the draft and free agency. For a team that got only eight sacks from its edge rushers, that’s not great news.
There will be options in free agency, but expecting to land a Day 1 starter at outside linebacker at No. 31 in the draft is somewhat unreasonable. That’s not to say it can’t happen, but there’s a reason the best pass rushers go high in the draft with not many rookies putting up double-digit sacks.
The Rams need help at this spot, and badly.
Prediction: Signs three-year, $27 million deal with Rams
There are three ways the Rams can go with Fowler. They can place the franchise tag on him and pay him around $15 million for 2019 alone. They did that with Lamarcus Joyner last year, overpaying him for one season to determine whether he’s worth a big-money extension. That turned out to be a great move because Joyner regressed, and had the Rams extended him, they’d probably be having buyer’s remorse.
Another option is signing Fowler to a multi-year deal. This is the ideal scenario, but it’s also the most difficult to make happen. Teams overpay free agent pass rushers and that could very well be the case with Fowler if he hits the open market. A team could easily offer him $11 million per year, putting him on par with Cameron Jordan – which is crazy to think about.
The last option – aside from a tag-and-trade, which won’t happen – is letting him walk. The Rams did this with Sammy Watkins after acquiring him in 2017, likely netting a third-round compensatory pick in the 2019 draft. If the Rams let Fowler sign elsewhere, they could be looking at another third- or fourth-round compensatory selection in 2020.
Ultimately, I think the Rams will get a deal done with Fowler, possibly before he gets to free agency. A deal around $9 million per year makes sense for both sides, which should fall somewhere between the deals Preston Brown and Shaquil Barrett get this year.
It wouldn’t be the least bit surprising to see Fowler leave after a half-year rental, especially given the pass rushers available in free agency, and possible cap casualties like Justin Houston, Olivier Vernon and Jabaal Sheard.[
znModeratorAdam Caplan@caplannfl
You would have define accuracy vs. inaccuracy. Just % issue or does the QB have a decent % but miss way too many throws or is he just wildly inaccurate like Boller. Guys like him we’re doomed as tape backed up %.Dan Orlovsky@danorlovsky7
No like someone who came into nfl and the biggest issue/question was accuracy-and they became an accurate passer in the nfl. I rack my brain trying to find someone who people said “struggles with accuracy” and than all of a sudden became accurate
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That cartoonist has the easiest job in the world. Just repeat reality, and voila, instant dark but funny scathing critique.
znModeratorAlbert Breer@AlbertBreer
The Rams are indeed moving some staff around. With Wes Phillips aboard as TEs coach, sources say passing-game coordinator Shane Waldron, who was TEs coach, will become QBs coach. And plan is to hire an assistant QBs coach to work with WaldronJust to be clear, too, Waldron will remain PGC. McVay is just moving his position of focus, which makes sense given his role.
znModeratorField Yates@FieldYates
The NFL Offseason has become my second favorite sport.bxgrisakDTR@bxgrisakDTR
For the 1st time since I can remember, the Rams had the luxury of letting guys sit/develop/rotate in rather than throwing them into the water right away to see if they sink or swim. That’s a pretty nice luxury to have. But yes, let’s evaluate an entire draft class after one year.Ted Nguyen@FB_FilmAnalysis
Kromer saying McVay is first OC/HC that wanted to know what the blocking calls were is crazy!Steve Wyche@wyche89
Kromer told me similar things about McVay including D-line formations and calls. When Kromer said that, I thought, wow, McVay is the first offensive coach you worked with this detailed? You coached with Sean Payton for years.Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
I remember talking to Aaron Donald in June/July 2017 and right off the jump, he was impressed with McVay’s ability to thoroughly break down a play from both sides of the ball. That’s (part of) what made Martz’s “Goff’s buddy” stuff so bizarre.
znModeratorBenjamin Allbright@BenKercheval
I was told today that as many as eight NFL teams have already reached out inquiring about Birmingham Iron quarterback Luis Perez. He was on the Rams’ offseason roster last year and LA was sad to let him to go. He’ll be back in the NFL in 2019 if I had to guess. #ForgeOnRemember the name: Luis Perez.
You'll be hearing it a lot this season‼️#WeAreBirmingham #ForgeOn⚒️🔥@PerezLuisQB pic.twitter.com/S26da7YGoZ
— Birmingham Iron (@aafiron) February 12, 2019
znModeratorNo joke, over the shoulder catches are the HARDEST in football…easiest to throw – but hardest to catch!!! The WR has to have incredible focus running full speed – with the world bouncing around – and focus on the ball as it descends while he adjusts.
Torry Holt said himself he could not do those.
And…here’s my favorite over the shoulder catch in all my time watching NFL games.
znModeratorThanks for that! Excellent as always. I like that you played in a Coryell system and actually did all that stuff.
Anyway.
My guess was going to be the deep out. You know more about it, but what I see in the deep out is that the ball travels a long distance at an angle across the field, and so must be thrown both with accuracy and velocity. That’s my amateur view. The deep out actually travels more yards in space at the angle, than it does up the field. So I don’t know how many yards it would be exactly but if a WR caught a 20 yard deep out, the ball actually would have travelled more than 20 yards.
Those are my amateur thoughts.
We have talked about this before with Bulger. Bulger did not have a strong arm (it wasn’t a weak one either) but he had such a nice quick release that he threw a great deep out. If you combine deep digs and deep outs, that’s a good summary of Martz and Bulger and that offense, I think.
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