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znModerator“..A significant number of Trump voters voted for Obama eight years ago. Also, the Trump phenomenon was about a political and media taboo: class…”
This is one of the aspects of the Trump thing, that the Dem-MSM rarely talks about. The Dem-MSM always wants to argue that the Trump thing was all about racism. But it was only partly about race.
Lots of white folks in WV, who voted for Trump, had earlier voted for Obama.w
vThat does not mean racism isn’t a factor. Voting for Obama does not exempt someone from the kind of ordinary everyday racism that is always present with Trump supporters. If nothing else, since Trump is an obvious dog whistle racist, anyone who votes for him has to excuse or overlook that…and overlooking that is not a simple thing to do if in fact you’re consciously anti-racist.
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July 16, 2019 at 5:49 pm in reply to: July's "Rams previews & predictions & rankings & superbowl chances" thread #102990
znModeratorfrom https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-super-bowl-odds-2020-predictions-dialed-in-picks-teams-to-avoid-from-vegas-expert/Carolina Panthers 60-1
Before you make your 2020 Super Bowl picks and NFL predictions, see what SportsLine’s top NFL handicapper, R.J. White, has to say.
2020 Super Bowl odds to win:
New England Patriots 6-1
Kansas City Chiefs 6-1
Los Angeles Rams 8-1
New Orleans Saints 8-1
Indianapolis Colts 12-1
Chicago Bears 14-1
Philadelphia Eagles 14-1
Green Bay Packers 14-1
Cleveland Browns 16-1
Los Angeles Chargers 18-1
Pittsburgh Steelers 18-1
Dallas Cowboys 18-1
Seattle Seahawks 25-1
Minnesota Vikings 25-1
Houston Texans 30-1
Atlanta Falcons 30-1
Baltimore Ravens 40-1
San Francisco 49ers 40-1
Jacksonville Jaguars 40-1
Oakland Raiders 60-1
New York Jets 80-1
Denver Broncos 80-1
Cincinnati Bengals 100-1
Buffalo Bills 100-1
New York Giants 100-1
Detroit Lions 100-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 100-1
Washington Redskins 100-1
Tennessee Titans 100-1
Arizona Cardinals 200-1
Miami Dolphins 500-1
znModeratorPro Football Focus ranks Rams’ run defense as 2nd-worst in NFL
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Worst 4 defenses in rushing yards/attempt last year: Rams, KC, NE, SEA (all playoff teams, two conference champions, Super Bowl champion)
8 of the 9 worst in 2017: Chargers, NE, Rams, PIT, NO, JAX, KC, BUF (all winning records, 7 playoff teams, one conference champion) https://t.co/HJzCvvOzVC
— J.B. Long (@JB_Long) July 16, 2019
znModeratorPro Football Focus ranks Rams' run defense as 2nd-worst in NFL https://t.co/OspF6q1Z3W
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) July 16, 2019
July 16, 2019 at 3:00 pm in reply to: Melvin Gordon is raising the old "do you give an RB a big 2nd contract" issue #102984
znModeratorBucky Brooks@BuckyBrooks
The RB narrative is so cloudy because some observers can’t recognize the difference between the elites & others. It’s goes beyond the numbers. It’s how DCs and defenders react to seeing the special ones on the field. Check the +1 fronts & single high coverage. ⭐️ RBs get thatBobby Carpenter@Bcarp3
Dak is a good young QB but his play action passing is 30% better when Zeke is on the field. It’s why @EzekielElliott needs to be on the field for Dallas this season and if he holds out they have to pay him @GetUpEspnJuly 16, 2019 at 12:45 am in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #102974
znModeratorIs this France's version of the 'Green Goblin?' 👀
Inventor Franky Zapata soared above the Champs-Elysees on a flyboard as part of the Bastille Day parade in a demonstration of military technology.
Latest world news: https://t.co/ykoGZGdRPI pic.twitter.com/CWgGRvgi0e
— Sky News (@SkyNews) July 14, 2019
znModeratorSteven Jackson best Madden ratings stretch throughout the years
Madden 2007 – 89 overall
Madden 2008 – 96 overall
Madden 2009 – 97 overall
Madden 2010 – 92 overall
Madden 2011 – 95 overall
Madden 2012 – 94 overall
Madden 2013 – 92 overall pic.twitter.com/wvKVCNkrvj— Chris (@BiggameCB) July 15, 2019
znModeratorDamien Woody@damienwoody
The NFL should go to 2 preseason games. Most teams go into training camp pretty much knowing who’s making the 53. Teams are scrimmaging each other more so you actually get better tape of players on the fenceGeoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
For the record I’m strongly against 18 games in any form unless significant concessions are made from the owners, which won’t happenI’ve been hammering this for years when I can. The idea of “battling for roster spots” in the preseason is greatly exaggerated. Teams know 46-48 spots entering camp.
TheIronman@LFletcher59
NFL players are already struggling to make it through a 16 game season, added more games would lead to more short-term and long-term injuries. The owners don’t get that because it’s easy to be tough with someone else’s body. #NFL #18gamesGeoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
18 games has always been on the table. I think the 18 games w/players only allowed to play 16 idea was floated to see the reaction to the idea which was universally negative.July 15, 2019 at 10:37 pm in reply to: Melvin Gordon is raising the old "do you give an RB a big 2nd contract" issue #102969
znModeratorNumbers Game
Peter King, from https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/15/peyton-manning-espn-nfl-show-fmia-peter-king/
I think Melvin Gordon should study his football history. He’s in the aforementioned contract dispute with the Chargers, saying he won’t play this year for the $5.6 million he is due. On Saturday, he said: “You can’t just replace a great back. People think you can do that, and you can’t … Outside of [quarterbacks], running back’s the next-hardest position on the field and we should get paid as such.”
There are so many flaws in that argument; it’s hard to know where to start with it. Start with C.J. Anderson rising from his couch after being out of football for six weeks last December to rush for 167, 132 and 123 yards in his first three games as a Ram. Regardless of how hard a position is to play or learn, football history has seen scores of no-name running backs walk onto a team and take star turns. Paying huge money to backs is one of the riskiest ventures in the game. Very rarely is it worth it—especially when you consider the story of a James Conner; he played for 6 percent of what Le’Veon Bell was to have made last year, and he produced just fine.
I think this Melvin Gordon-Chargers impasse could get ugly. The Chargers running back, entering his fifth season, could hold out from training camp into the season if he doesn’t get either a new contract or a significant raise from his $5.6-million salary in 2019. There’s a few reasons the holdout could last a while, starting with the fact that Chargers GM Tom Telesco, who grew up in the Bill Polian front office of the Colts, is not afraid to take a hard line. But mostly, it’s about what happens in recent years when teams have either paid runners or drawn a hard line with them. Examples:
• Le’Veon Bell balked at the Steelers’ offer of $14.5 million on the franchise tag last year. James Conner wasn’t quite as productive as vintage Bell—270 touches, 1,470 yards, 13 touchdowns—but he was close. And Conner, who made $754,572 last year, cost 1/19th of what Bell would have commended. No one in Pittsburgh is bemoaning the loss of Bell, though he’s a great player.
• Todd Gurley is a great back too, and the Rams paid a guaranteed $45 million last year. They’ll say they aren’t regretting what they paid Gurley, but an odd and persistent knee problem last year limited him to 88 carries in the Rams’ last nine games—including a 35-yard rushing performance in the Super Bowl. The Rams picked up C.J. Anderson off the street in December, and in five games, he rushed for 488 yards.
• David Johnson of the Cardinals responded to his new $13-million-a-year deal on the eve of the 2018 season by rushing for 940 yards (3.6 yards per carry).
• Devonta Freeman signed with Atlanta for $22 million guaranteed in 2017. He’s missed 16 of the Falcons’ last 32 regular-season games and averaged 58 yards per game in the 16 he’s played.
• In 30 games over his two NFL seasons, Charger understudy Austin Ekeler has proven elusive and reliable, averaging 5.3 yards per rush and 10.3 yards per catch, with just two lost fumbles. I don’t think Telesco will be afraid to take the slings and arrows of a holdout. So if you’re drafting your fantasy team very early, I’d give a long look at Ekeler.
znModeratorPeter King, from https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/15/peyton-manning-espn-nfl-show-fmia-peter-king/
The 18-game schedule is nowhere near a reality. I heard that one or two teams are interested in what the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday the NFL has proposed discussing with the players as part of the CBA talks: an 18-game regular-season schedule, with each player eligible to play a maximum of 16 games. This is not a new idea—it’s been thrown around at league meetings as one idea to expand the inventory and enrich the league’s TV deals for years.
“I can’t see it,” one plugged-in club official told me.
I’ve always thought in an era when the reduction of head trauma is job one in everything the league does, the only way the NFL could even consider 18 games is with teams playing players a maximum of 16 weeks. But the details make it too hard. How would a team divvy up the starts, say, for the starting offensive line? Would they figure the starting tackles should play every week with the starting quarterback, and thus doom the backup in his two games to a run-for-your-life offensive scheme?
The continued pursuit—or the continuing broaching—of an 18-game schedule is such a short-sighted and greedy thing. The NFL paid each team $275 million out of the league share of total revenue in 2018, and teams paid about $215 million annually in player costs (cap plus benefits). After that, teams can reap major raw profits over what they did in local team revenue.
Someone in the NFL seems determined to kill the most golden of geese by pursuing, even in a passing way, this stupid idea. Greed, in this case, is not good.
Fans don’t want 18 games either. I put out a Twitter poll Saturday and Sunday, asking if readers preferred a 16 or 18-game schedule. Of 13,533 voters, 79 percent said 16. Great comment from a Vikings fan, Jason Altland: “If I pay out the nose for decent tickets in Baltimore or New York to see my Vikings, I want to see all the healthy stars play. I don’t want to pay and end up with a [Stefon] Diggs or {Adam] Thielen bye game.”
Pro Football Talk also polled its readers over the weekend about the 16/18-game idea, with more options than I offered … and 62 percent said they favored 16 games—with 8 percent saying they favored 18 with a maximum of 16 games per player per season.
znModeratorfrom Todd Gurley reflects on what he’ll miss most about Saffold, Sullivan: https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/10/nfl-rams-todd-gurley-rodger-saffold-john-sullivan/
“Our off days together. It was cool, they taught me so much. To be able to be with Saffold my three times rushing for 1,000 yards and Sully to expand my brain and make me so much more knowledgeable as a running back and knowing defenses, being in the right position and protection. He taught me so much,” Gurley told Rams Wire in a phone interview. “And then to have a guy like Whit, it’s crazy, too. Very thankful for Sully and Rodger for everything they’ve done for me because I wouldn’t be anywhere without them.”
July 15, 2019 at 7:24 pm in reply to: July's "Rams previews & predictions & rankings & superbowl chances" thread #102963
znModeratorfrom 2019 NFL head coach power rankings: Who follows Bill Belichick?
Elliot Harrison
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000001035707?campaign=Twitter_atn
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6) Sean McVay, Los Angeles Rams
Every owner wants a Sean McVay to coach his football team these days. McVay’s two-year success story speaks to his immersion in the family business of football, as well as his ability to draw off an excellent football mind and mental filing system to have his team better prepared than their opponents week after week. McVay’s memory, ability to reach his players, and considerable energy has pushed the Rams to the playoffs in both of his seasons as the organizational front man, including a Super Bowl berth. To McVay’s credit, he knows his place, too. He let Wade Phillips run the defense, and got out of the way. It was the defense, not the offense, that really shined this past postseason. The touchstone of McVay’s primary focus and background — the offensive side of the ball — has been the noteworthy development of quarterback Jared Goff, who has tossed 60 touchdowns over the last two years. That’s a dude people were calling a bust the year before McVay arrived.
znModeratorCooper Krupp’s 84 Madden Rating is higher than…
Nelson Agholor (83)
Corey Davis (82)
Sammy Watkins (82)
Demaryius Thomas (82)
Danny Amendola (81)
Chris Godwin (81)
Mike Williams (81)
Travis Benjamin (79)
Zay Jones (78) pic.twitter.com/XEHiCWBYTe— SeattleRams (@seattlerams_nfl) July 15, 2019
znModeratorTHAT is great. Thanks.
And I will sticky this one in this forum.
znModerator#Rams Jared Goff targets slot receivers at the 3rd highest rate in the league, but targets tight ends at the 21st highest rate@ScottBarrettDFB explores the fantasy implications of QBs that target outside & slot receivers, tight ends & running backs #PFF:https://t.co/JGSIPJo1Dt
— PFF LA Rams (@PFF_Rams) July 15, 2019
znModeratorA @DanteFowler production.
5️⃣6️⃣ days til #LARams football is rockin'! 🎸 pic.twitter.com/kk0P70tkNj
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) July 14, 2019
znModeratorJared Goff misses the cut in top 11 QB rankings https://t.co/dEK22VLeBC via @theramswire
— RamsNewsNow (@RamsNewsNow) July 15, 2019
znModeratorWhy Melvin Gordon isn't worth a premium contract in today's NFL.@PFF_AustinGayle details why the LA Chargers' brass would be smart to avoid making him one of the highest-paid backs in the league.https://t.co/YQGUzyuR8S pic.twitter.com/SoKNdgUL6g
— PFF (@PFF) July 14, 2019
znModeratorMore than 44,000 voted, and 62 percent prefer not to expand the regular season https://t.co/pMiemEfZhG pic.twitter.com/lNFPwUf0Lz
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) July 15, 2019
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July 15, 2019 at 8:59 am in reply to: Melvin Gordon is raising the old "do you give an RB a big 2nd contract" issue #102950
znModeratorMelvin Gordon—good luck getting that contract extension https://t.co/TtCaI57mOa
— The MMQB (@theMMQB) July 15, 2019
znModeratorJust posted an article in another thread about things like this. It’s Will the Rams return to the Super Bowl this season? by Vinny Bonsignore and Rich Hammond (here, recent post in the thread: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/football-gameplans-2019-nfl-team-preview-los-angeles-rams/#post-102945 ).
VB and RH divide the question so one has to answer yes and one no. VB gets the “no” side, and his argument against is twofold: (1) the schedule (which is in spite of first appearances is quite brutal), and (2) the uncertainties on the OL.
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July 14, 2019 at 8:05 pm in reply to: July's "Rams previews & predictions & rankings & superbowl chances" thread #102945
znModeratorWill the Rams return to the Super Bowl this season?
Vinny Bonsignore and Rich Hammond
https://theathletic.com/1074444/2019/07/12/will-the-rams-return-to-the-super-bowl-this-season/
These are good times for the Rams, who have stability and a talented roster that figures to put them in Super Bowl contention again in 2019. But every team has issues. So each week, Vinny Bonsignore and Rich Hammond will discuss and debate the Rams’ biggest current questions. Here are the topics to date.
It’s a monopoly over in the AFC, where the New England Patriots seemingly can book their Super Bowl hotel rooms in August, but life in different in the NFC, where multiple teams have a chance.
Over the past two decades, only one NFC team — the Seattle Seahawks in 2014 and 2015 — has reached the Super Bowl in consecutive years. So many variables, including roster changes, chemistry and injuries, can turn a season that starts with high expectations into a disappointment.
Pundits around the league agree that the Rams are among the favorites to return to the Super Bowl this season, but their case is not airtight. So here’s the question: Will the Rams return to the Super Bowl this season?
Rich Hammond says yes
Motivation is a fascinating thing in sports. Different athletes are driven by different factors. For some, it’s money. Others want personal recognition. It’s rare, though, to encounter a player who doesn’t desperately want to win. That’s why I think the Rams will return to the Super Bowl.
It’s still tough to put the Rams’ 2018 season in context. It was an enormous success from September through January, and then a total disaster on Feb. 3. Five months’ worth of nationwide praise and admiration turned to questioning and mocking. What happened to the Rams’ offense in the Super Bowl? Is coach Sean McVay overrated? Is Jared Goff really an elite quarterback?
It’s relatively silly. One game — even though it was the Super Bowl — shouldn’t override a full season of success, and it certainly shouldn’t negate the two full years’ worth of work that McVay has done to turn around a sad-sack franchise. But that’s where things stand. The Rams won 13 games last season and still ended up being treated like failures because they scored three points against the Patriots.
Players no doubt will get asked about this when training camp opens at the end of this month, and they’ll say that they don’t care, that they don’t listen, that they haven’t even re-watched any of the Super Bowl. Lies, all of it. One doesn’t reach the highest level of professional sports — either as a player or coach — without a fierce competitive streak, and the Rams have been stewing for five-plus months.
I also spent some time around the Chargers during the offseason and talked to veterans such as Thomas Davis and Mike Pouncey. When they’re asked about a Super Bowl ring, their faces get very serious and they say that a championship is the only thing that matters. Imagine how the Rams feel now, having gotten so close — tied in the fourth quarter — only to suffer a narrow, frustrating loss.
The Rams’ focus is going to be very narrow. They already know they can win their division (and probably should, handily). They know they can go on the road and win a playoff game in the toughest of environments. Their sole focus is going to be on winning the NFC Championship Game again.
There’s no reason why the Rams can’t reach the Super Bowl again. The biggest issue, going into camp, will be the offensive line, but any issues of consistency or camaraderie will be worked out early in the season. The rest of the offense returns intact — you say that knee is just fine, right Todd Gurley? — and the defense actually could be improved, assuming the Rams find an adequate replacement for Ndamukong Suh at nose tackle.
It’s not a stretch to think the Rams might sweep the NFC West again, and while some tough games loom — New Orleans, Chicago, Pittsburgh — there’s no stretch that threatens to send the season into a spiral. A loss here or there is fine and isn’t going to derail a team that knows how to win.
Look around the conference. Which team improved so much that it is going to knock the Rams off the top of the NFC hill? New Orleans is strong again. Are the Bears a Super Bowl team? The Eagles? The Falcons? Surprise teams always pop up, but going into the season, it’s a solid bet that the Rams will be headed to Miami next February.
Vinny Bonsignore says no
The Rams are stacked, no question about it. No team is better situated, in terms of roster or motivation, to get back to the biggest stage after the Rams fell oh-so-short of winning the Vince Lombardi Trophy. And while Sean McVay and his staff lost the coaching duel to New England Patriots mastermind Bill Belichick, the lessons they learned from the experience and the new edge given to the Rams, in terms of preparation and coaching, are about as good as they get in the NFL.
Everything is pointing squarely to another Super Bowl run and for valid reasons. The Rams have talent across the board and boast the best defensive player in the game — and arguably the best football player, period — in Aaron Donald, and they have an emerging young quarterback in Jared Goff who’s surrounded by a bevy of offensive weapons.
I even think Todd Gurley is poised for another big season, albeit slightly altered in terms of workload and usage after he faded down the stretch last season due to a mysterious knee issue. I don’t buy for a second he is drastically damaged goods. But the Rams are intent on protecting him and preserving him over the course of the regular season. Because of that, he’ll be used differently while still being one of the most explosive offensive threats in the NFL.
For all of those reasons, every bit of logic suggests the Rams will mount another Super Bowl run. And maybe this time even close the deal.
I just don’t see it.
I think the Rams win their division — although I think a rough schedule in which they make four trips to the Eastern time zone and play a “home” game in London will take a toll in terms of their win total. The Rams won 13 games last year, but playing tough games in Pittsburgh, Carolina, Cleveland, Dallas, Atlanta and Seattle could sabotage their efforts to match or exceed that win total. I see them winning 11 or 12 games as a result.
It’s more than just the schedule, though.
While I believe Joe Noteboom and Brian Allen will be up to the challenge of replacing Rodger Saffold and John Sullivan at left guard and center, respectively, I don’t see the transition happening without some hiccups. The Rams’ offensive line has been one of the best and healthiest in the NFL the last two years, and the continuity they’ve enjoyed is almost unprecedented in today’s NFL. But there is an unknown factor to that unit this year that wasn’t present last year.
Noteboom and Allen face a learning curve as first-year starters. At some point, their inexperience will be felt. And while the Rams hope the offensive line can get through another season without suffering any significant injuries, there is no guarantee it will. If they have to dip into their reserves corps, what kind of performance can they get?
So factor in the big-time inexperience along the offensive line with the rough schedule. For a team chasing big dreams, those are sizable deterrents. And perhaps an unexpected loss or two will be the result. Ultimately, that might mean the difference between claiming home-field advantage throughout the playoffs or not.
The Rams went on the road last year to punch their ticket to Super Bowl LIII. But if they have to do it again, I think that’s too big a hurdle to overcome.
July 14, 2019 at 6:46 pm in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #102944
znModeratorThe President of the United States just told brown-skinned members of Congress who were born in this country to go back home to where they came from. This should be the only news story of the day and in a better country, it would be.
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) July 14, 2019
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I know some of y’all are appalled but literally every Black or Brown person in public life has been told “go back to Africa” at one point or another.
Racism ain’t new, it just doesn’t wear a hood anymore
— Bakari Sellers (@Bakari_Sellers) July 14, 2019
znModeratorHoward Balzer@HBalzer721
Can’t wait for the 18/16 NFL schedule when teams have to decide when to sit their starting offensive linemen! #uglyGeoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
There’s no possible way the NFL was considering that. I think it was floated out there to see the reaction.July 14, 2019 at 1:09 pm in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #102939
znModeratorWait for it…🍦😂😂 pic.twitter.com/oNfpJDIfAv
— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) July 14, 2019
znModeratornot a regression in his game but a regression statistically.
I didn’t realize what you meant. Sure, it is possible that JG could take a step or 2 back statistically. But I think it won’t be in INT percentage.
The thing that may balance all that is that the defense is being set up to do far better than it has been doing. That’s even if they don’t develop much of an edge rush. This may be one of the best if not THE best Rams secondaries we’ve seen.
On paper, they ought to be better against the run, against the pass (yards per attempt), and in producing turnovers.
So that ought to give the offense more room to breath.
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July 14, 2019 at 10:18 am in reply to: July's "Rams previews & predictions & rankings & superbowl chances" thread #102937
znModeratorfrom Top 10 head coaches in NFL: Bill Belichick still reigns, but who fills out the rest of the list?
The CBS Sports NFL crew ranks the best coaches entering the 2019 season(Note: top 3 are Payton 3rd, Reid 2nd, BB 1st)
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4. Sean McVay, Rams
McVay has been a head coach for just two seasons, but the Rams are 24-8 in those two seasons. They have won two NFC West titles and been to the Super Bowl. They went from having the single worst offense in the league the year before he was hired to the best, with largely the same personnel. For much of 2018, the offense appeared unstoppable. They stumbled down the stretch and looked terrible in the Super Bowl, but the talent and vision on hand lead nearly everyone to think they will come back from those setbacks just fine. There’s a reason every team in the league is looking for the Next Sean McVay when they have a head coach opening. It’s because he’s really good, and knows exactly what he’s doing.
znModeratorAOC was not prepared for Former ICE Director Thomas Homan 2.0, "If you want to seek asylum you go through the port of entry. You do it the legal way." #BorderCrisis pic.twitter.com/r7GrxmiueA
— IWV (@IWV) July 12, 2019
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