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znModeratorQuick follow up. Please know that none of this is about you. I kinda feel I have to say that again, cuz I know I sometimes react harshly to posts like this. It’s a bad habit.
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In no way, shape or form am I trying to get you to stop posting the stuff you think is important here. The more the better. I love reading your take on things. Always have. That’s not gonna change.
Hope all is well in the Mountain State.
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Oh i know all that, comrad. Its good we can disagree on some stuff. No big thing. We’re on the same side.
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vThese kinds of boiling tensions and hostile confrontations make me so anxious.
October 1, 2019 at 10:29 am in reply to: around the league (+ some college) tweets… 9/23 thru ? #106042
znModeratortrey wingo@wingoz
The Patriots haven’t allowed a passing TD yet this season. No team has gone 5 games without allowing a TD pass in the past 30 years.October 1, 2019 at 1:02 am in reply to: Judge rules jury can apply Castle Doctrine in Amber Guyger murder trial #106037
znModeratorDoes anybody think a judge would rule this way if a black man had broken into a white woman’s apartment and shot her?
I enjoy a good use of rhetorical questions.
Or…do you think I like well-used rhetorical questions?
znModeratorDespite plenty of criticism for Goff’s errors in Sunday’s loss, Chris Simms saw plenty of positives from Goff’s performance. The attached clip from Simms’ Unbuttoned podcast elaborates on that point.
That clip is right here. It is well worth a listen: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/30/jared-goff-sees-a-lot-of-good-and-a-lot-of-bad-in-loss-to-buccaneers/
znModeratorJust finished film of #TBvsLAR and no joke that might’ve been the BEST game I’ve ever seen Jared Goff play. Under constant duress and still made a ton of big-time throws. Biggest issue was their o-line got dominated by Shaq Barrett and crew #LARams
— Chris Simms (@CSimmsQB) September 30, 2019
znModeratorKurt Warner@kurt13warner
Watching tape I am continually amazed at: 1) Lack of quality passing concepts 2) Lack of quality QUICK concepts (not BUBBLE/WR screens) to help younger, but all, QBs 3) Number of QBs that get away with not playing with vision & understanding bc of athleticism #LeadsToBadThingsManBrian Baldinger@BaldyNFL
Care to name names Kurt? Or coaches? Not your style I know but maybe the truth needs to be toldProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalk
Marcus Peters expected to play Thursday after clearing concussion tests
znModerator.@Buccaneers should give all 5 OL a game ball along with the RB’s for the efforts to keep the destruction of @RamsNFL @AaronDonald97 to a minimum . It was a huge key to setting a franchise record 55 points & @Jaboowins have a 3rd straight great game. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/pKl0RiLPsk
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) October 1, 2019
znModeratorJared Goff absolutely had the right idea here on 3rd-n-6. Had Kupp open deep on the corner and Everett open on the whip, would've had an easy completion to Kupp. Rob Havenstein got absolutely smoked by Shaq Barrett instead. Also, great pass off from Brian Allen and Austin Blythe pic.twitter.com/CoX30hWZrq
— Sosa K (@QBsMVP) October 1, 2019
znModerator‘Burn the film,’ revisiting the Todd Gurley plan and thoughts on Jared Goff and the Rams’ line
Vincent Bonsignore
Eric Weddle stepped out of the Rams’ locker room Sunday and into the brilliant sunshine of an early fall afternoon. It was the perfect tonic after the frustrating 55-40 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the Rams had just suffered, and it elicited a small smile from Weddle. On a tough day for everybody involved, it was clear he was on his way to flushing the loss down the drain.
“You guys need me?” he asked a couple of media members as he prepared to make the long walk to his car outside the Coliseum.
Uh, yeah.
Who better to make sense of what had just happened than Weddle, the veteran Rams safety with the uncanny ability to put even the most complex situation into perfect perspective?
And sure enough, he did exactly that.
“Burn the film,” Weddle simply said.
He wasn’t minimizing what had just happened or making light of the Rams’ struggle to produce a run game or avoid turnovers, or the inability of the defense to get Jameis Winston off the field on third down. There were tough lessons to be learned from the loss to the Buccaneers and plenty of things to correct.
Weddle wasn’t pushing any of that to the side.
It’s just that he’s been around long enough to know that days like Sunday are sometimes inevitable in the NFL. The key is making sure that when they do happen, they don’t mess with you so much that you end up doing the same thing the following week, and the week after that.
Sometimes that requires selective memory and the ability to hit the delete button. That’s especially important now, with the quick turnaround ahead of the Rams’ Thursday-night division game at Seattle.
“Burn it and move on,” he reiterated. “Listen, we can’t let this affect us for this week, with a lot riding on it. Two 3-1 teams battling out. Honestly, move on, watch the Seattle game tonight, which is what I’m going to do. Get in (Monday), get in a lift and a run and get into Seattle. Because what happened (Sunday) is irrelevant this week. We sucked it up. It’s good that we’re (playing) Thursday night. We can move on and get ready for Seattle.”
And with that, Weddle turned and left the Coliseum. A condensed week ahead of an important divisional game awaited, and he wasn’t about to let the stink of Sunday compromise that process.
Not that there isn’t a whole lot to unpack from one of the weirdest losses in the Sean McVay era.
Here are some observations:
Offensive line still struggling
While Goff is to blame most for the three interceptions he threw and the fumble he coughed up that led to the game-clinching touchdown by former Rams defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, it’s impossible to ignore the struggles of an offensive line that is breaking in new starters Joe Noteboom and Brian Allen while also dealing with an injury to Austin Blythe.
Over the last two seasons Goff has been one of the NFL’s best-protected quarterbacks, but that is no longer the case, as he is continually operating in stressful pockets. It doesn’t help that there has been no run-game foundation to speak of for last three weeks. The Gurley factor plays into that, but the offensive line is to blame as well.
And as Sunday showed, it’s not just physical errors beating the Rams but mental ones as well, because the Rams’ offensive line committed five penalties.
“Until you get a chance to really — because you’ve got to move on in the flow of the game — until you get a chance to kind of look inward, figure out exactly what resulted in those, what was occurring, it’s hard to specifically put my finger on one thing,” McVay said. “But there were some things that were very uncharacteristic and things that we can’t do moving forward.”
Given the situation with Gurley, it’s on the rest of the Rams to lift their games. And it sure would help if the offensive line could get squared away.
Too much on Jared Goff’s shoulders?
It’s a new world for Goff right now, with an offensive line not yet in a groove and with an inability to lean as heavily into Gurley.
And that obviously shows up in Goff’s play.
After throwing three interceptions on Sunday, Goff is up to six for the year. He’s also coughed up the ball on fumbles in all four games.
The turnovers are an indication that Goff is being forced to make plays and decisions under more duress than he’s experienced the last two years. There is a fine line here, because without a steady run game Goff has to carry more of the burden. His play must be an advancement of the offense instead of a detriment to it.
Goff was brilliant at times on Sunday while throwing for a career-high 517 yards while completing 45 of 68 attempts. And clearly it’s absurd to ask him to throw the ball nearly 70 times without making some mistakes, including turning the ball over. But an argument can be made that Goff’s early-game gaffes helped put the Rams in the type of hole that required chucking it up on every play.
Now in his fourth season and the owner of a new contract that pays him like a franchise quarterback, Goff must find the balance between being asked to do more than ever but not pushing things to the point of danger. And he might have to do that without the benefit of the same help he’s received the last two years from the rest of the Rams’ offense.
“Ultimately we need to execute better on offense and I need to execute better personally,” Goff said. “I will and we will and I’m not worried about anything.”
znModeratorTorry Holt@BigGame81
You played fantastic football on Sunday Rob, loved the block for Kupp. Keep going! #RamsWR #AllHandsJ.B. Long@JB_Long
Monday injury updates from Sean McVay looking ahead to Seattle on Thursday…Taylor Rapp (ankle): game time decision
Bryce Hager (shoulder stinger): game time decision
Marcus Peters (face): cleared concussion assessmentLos Angeles Rams@RamsNFL
“Everything turned out pretty good. I’m looking forward to rehabbing, recovering and trying to get back to the team.” – @trapp07 on his injury vs. Tampa Bay.
znModeratorGary Klein@LATimesklein
Rams CB Marcus Peters is not on (estimated) injury report. Peters was evaluated for a concussion Sunday. He has been cleared, per a Rams spokesman.Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
Are we really talking about “panic” with Jared ???? Seriously????!The question posed was when do #Rams fans hit the “panic” button on Jared Goff. That’s a beyond absurd question four games into a 3-1 season in which he’s making an adjustment to a whole new world of operation between the (not as good) offensive line and Todd Gurley Lite.
Gary Klein@LATimesklein
At their current pace, Rams receivers Cooper Kupp (1,552), Robert Woods (1,228) and Brandin Cooks (1,184) each would finish the season with more than 1,000 yards receiving.
znModeratorAaron Donald is a cheat code #WeeklyTweets. Should've had his second sack of the season here, but good effort by SJD to complete the sack pic.twitter.com/7yEFXJJKdq
— Sosa K (@QBsMVP) September 30, 2019
znModeratoralyoshamucci
I was at a function as my oldest was home from college for something … so I couldn’t watch live, but I tracked the score.
I have a couple thongs to say before I start …
First, I can’t imagine the disgust y’all had to deal with watching that live.
Second, iI think it may have been the best thing that could have happened to our team for a number of reasons.
Third, it looked like we got 2 experienced coordinators (Arians and Bowles) on a day when they were totally ready for us, and a young team that was just starting to click after a hard loss. I’d expect Tampa Bay to threaten in the Southern division. I expect Carl Nassib (who should not have been drafted by a 3-4 team) to become a force on a Bowles’ defense.So, knowing I had time to prepare emotionally to watch it, I will likely have a different view of the game.
The Great
1) Offense finally got in rhythm. We had to be forced to come back from 21 down for it to happen … and it doesn’t mean I think the offense PLAYED well … they didn’t. But they got in rhythm.
2) Robert Woods block on the Kupp TD. He had to start sprinting before Kupp broke that first tackle, he just assumed he would. I don’t know what to say about that mindset except that it gives me chills when I see it on any team.
3) Sebastian Joseph Day won the spot IMO. He was putting his men on skates over and over.
The Good
4) Gurley looked full speed and full power for the first time.
5) Everett showing a bit of what everyone was saying from preseason.
6) I didn’t have to see Jared Goff’s deflated face. He kept firing.
7) Im assuming Reeder replaced Hager without an injury, I like that call.
8) GZ from 58. Guy is nuts.
9) Being legitimately still in it after such a poor defensive showing up until the last drive.
The Bad
10) Holy cow on the penalties.
11) Goff missing Everett on the front corner route.
12) Everett not being prepared to play defender and knock the ball away on the 3rd INT. Ball was tipped he could have just tackled the guy.
13) Noteboom missed quite a few blocks.
The Ugly
14) COVER CHRIS GODWIN. Have they not read the fantasy stuff on him? He’s more of a true threat than Evans.
15) Havenstein, buddy. This was literally the worst game of your career. From penalties to protection. Dude. Whatever you ate and listened to before the game … goes on the “does not fly” list, just in case. Burn the underwear and socks … never take that route to the stadium again.
16) The 4th down play. How do you let an A gap free rusher in on that? What was that?
17) Peters on the Evans TD. Dude.
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znModeratormax
I just rewatched the game. All things considered, I think Goff played really well.
He made some amazing throws, under constant duress…The Bucs were kicking the crap out of him, and he was still making accurate throws late in the game.
He’s looked clearly better to me than last year.
I have to say, I completely agree with that.
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znModeratormax
I just rewatched the game. All things considered, I think Goff played really well.
He made some amazing throws, under constant duress, and given a terrible game plan. Plus his defense kept his back to the wall all game.
The Bucs were kicking the crap out of him, and he was still making accurate throws late in the game.
Yes, he missed on some big plays, but it’s very easy to get caught up in the pure numbers without context as PFF does. McVay did him no favors with the longer developing play calls in the face of a defense just teeing off on Goff.
He’s looked clearly better to me than last year. And the receivers looked as good as last year for sure.
What clearly looked worse than last year was EVERY other single element of the team. Defense, OL, running game, play calling. They were all below average to bottom 10.
znModeratorThis is how broken the NFL is. This is targeting. The play even was reviewed and they still didn’t boot him. pLaYeR sAfEty https://t.co/KdTSOjMZx1
— The Dizzle (@Nmartin55) September 30, 2019
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
Entering this season, the Rams ranked 2nd in first-quarter scoring since 2017.This year, they’re 31st with only 6 points scored. They can only overcome slow starts for so long
Rams Wire@TheRamsWire
Rams’ first-quarter offense ranks among worst in the NFLVincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
It’s more of an intent, objective and priority to get your run game going – which has been the #Rams identity – and they’ve gotten away from that while trying to manage Gurley’s usage. I believe it would help the O-line to get back to that identity, too.If you are of the belief that the #Rams run game was essentially lost when Todd Gurley got hurt last year remember C.J. Anderson came off street to average 145 YPG on 20+ carries per game last two regular-season games to re-establish the Rams offensive identity and formula
RamsNewsNow@RamsNewsNow
Rams not panicking after tough home loss to Bucs: “We need to be better and we will be”==
Because I can’t find a video of every QB ever doing this? 👍🏼 https://t.co/ivzBODZjuF
— Rob M (@LakeRaMan) September 30, 2019
September 30, 2019 at 12:30 pm in reply to: This is not okay: Trump calls for the arrest of Schiff for Treason #105993
znModerator“If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal,”
Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?
Utterance attributed to Henry II of England, which led to the death of Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury, in 1170.
znModeratorRampage2K-
My thoughts from sec 213
What started off as a beautiful day for football ended up a shocking wake up call for this team….. I don’t know if they were overlooking this team with Seattle coming up in a few days or just simply weren’t ready for that game.
GZ started things off with the opening kick off out of bounds to give the Bucs a free spot in the 40…. Bucs quickly took advantage by picking on Our secondary for a quick 7-0 lead.
It was pretty much all down hill from there as you all know.
Frustrating watching Godwin just eat up Talib all day and Wade never really adjusting or figuring out anything in that game. Winston looked comfortable all day long back there.
The defense let the home crowd down so many times yesterday on third down it became hard to watch.
Goff had that horrible pick early that was all on him, but my god the line has issues….The one guy I was worried about ended up ending our comeback as Shaq just blew right by Havs to get the strip sack. It wasn’t only him, the whole line had issues all day. Say what you want about Goff, but the kid battled all day in that game 517 yards passing with what seemed like constant pressure. I will watch the TV copy today to get a better picture of what was going on with that.
I will say the team at least showed some heart after getting smacked in the nose early with a 21-0 hole, they kept fighting to the end to make that a pretty damn exciting game in which I had no doubt the Rams were going to come back and win…. probably would have been the biggest comeback in recent history.
The game flow just didn’t call for a bunch of runs…..TB has the number one rush defense in NFL and like 29th pass defense – it was the right game script. If Goff just a had a little bit more protection yesterday, we probably would have won this game…..even after spotting them 21 point lead. Goff and McVay had some mistakes, not like it’s all on the o-line, but just a couple plays where protection would have led to points instead of turnovers.
Shaq Barrett was a one mad wrecking crew….the one guy I was worried about.
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znModeratorReuben Frank@RoobNBCS
This is Jameis’s best game since he threw 5 TDs at the Linc in 2015.
Dude is 25-for-36, 348 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs, 137.3.Rams-Bucs is the first game in NFL history where both teams made a field goal of at least 58 yards.
Greg Zuerlein for the Rams, Matt Gay for the Bucs.Goff’s 517 passing yards 8th-most in NFL history.
68 attempts 3rd-most in NFL history.
Rams 1st team in NFL history to throw more than 65 times [68] and run fewer than 12 times [11].
Rams first team since 1966 to score 40 points and lose by at least 15 points.
September 30, 2019 at 11:10 am in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #105986
znModeratorWork smarter not harder! 🐶🐑🐑 pic.twitter.com/x2YSwe4lX1
— Sαbilα (@sabiila_) September 29, 2019
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1. Can’t win if you turn the ball over 4 times.
2. I’m fairly confident that won’t happen all that often.
3. Again and again it’s demonstrated how important O-line cohesion is and how it correlates to gaining rhythm on offense. That’s my primary concern right now. That shit wrecks QB confidence, trust, and internal clocks.
Did McVay get schooled? I didn’t really see it that way. I saw Phillips gets schooled, but you don’t put up 40 points in the face of 4 turnovers and get schooled. You will, however, look mortal if your offense has to make up for the Bucs scoring three touchdowns with their first four possessions and then matching every score you make with another one of their own afterward. Yeah, let’s just run 30 more times and get a few more 3&outs while the defense continues to let the opposition set a Franchise record in points scored.
Is McVay blameless? Of course not. I think he went into panic mode when down by 3 scores early, but honestly? I would have done the same thing. If we were able to keep the score close, the run game would have made more than just a cameo, IMO.
The o-line was awful, but that’s what happens when you have new combinations and new bodies trying to work together and communicate without enough time to do so. That’s why the RBs were in pass-block mode so often. They weren’t really reeling off chunks of yards on the ground anyway.
The defense? lol. Good job taking away Mike Evans, but there are more players on that team than just Mike Evans. And if you’re not getting home with 4, then maybe try 5. Or 6. Or 7. But credit where it’s due. Their O-line held their own all game against a pretty damn good pass rushing team.
Goff had a productive (and bad) day. Can’t put your defense in a hole like that – and that many times – and expect to employ a balanced attack. Particularly if you’re going to give the opponent so many short field situations to feast upon.
znModeratorJoe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Its obvious McVay didn’t think they could run it today. They didn’t even try. That’s not a Gurley or Henderson issue. That’s an OL issue. Now is it because the Bucs front 7 is so good? Or because the Rams OL is not? That’s the question that came out of today.September 30, 2019 at 2:51 am in reply to: around the league (+ some college) tweets… 9/23 thru ? #105971
znModeratorRobert Quinn showing that SPEED off the edge! 😤💨#DALvsNO
(via @dallascowboys)
— PFF (@PFF) September 30, 2019
znModeratorLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Got to love Twitter.
On Thursdays, Twitter says: “Stop asking Todd Gurley all the dumb questions about his knee and performances, he’s clearly annoyed.
On Sundays, Twitter says: “Stupid reporters not doing their job and asking what’s really going on!!!”Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Bucs have been by far the best team against the run this year. And they hurt Saquon. Anyone who didn’t see this wasn’t looking.Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Sean McVay was asked if he’s preserving Todd Gurley early in games or for the season: “There’s none of that. We’re doing what we can to try to find a way to win games. It’s not about conserving, we’ve got to win right now.”==
PFF ReFocused: Tampa Bay Buccaneers 55, Los Angeles Rams 40
https://www.pff.com/news/pro-nfl-week-4-pff-refocused-tampa-bay-buccaneers-55-los-angeles-rams-40
LOS ANGELES RAMS
Austin Blythe and Joseph Noteboom were both liabilities against Tampa Bay. Both Los Angeles guards struggled significantly in pass protection and did little to make up for it in the run game.This was one of Jared Goff‘s worst games of the season. He had multiple turnover-worthy plays and really struggled to push the ball downfield.
Aaron Donald was limited against Tampa Bay’s offensive line. He rarely created pressure on passing downs and was generally kept quiet in the run game, at least more so than what we’ve come to expect from Donald.
Rookie Takeaways
Taylor Rapp gave up a handful of plays in coverage before going down with injury.
znModeratorGurley downhill 🚛 pic.twitter.com/LgeVA3dInI
— Matt Waldman (@MattWaldman) September 30, 2019
znModeratorWhere you’d love to see Goff but a tall order. pic.twitter.com/mkEMf2WI6T
— Matt Waldman (@MattWaldman) September 30, 2019
znModeratorInside move (spin) leads to game-sealing sack-fumble got Shaq Barrett pic.twitter.com/jYUMQT0jQ4
— Matt Waldman (@MattWaldman) September 30, 2019
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