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znModeratorPFF's own Mark Chichester (@PFF_Chichester) detailed why a trade for Jalen Ramsey could turn a contender into a Super Bowl favorite ⬇️⬇️https://t.co/lCce2DZhTq
— PFF (@PFF) October 16, 2019
znModeratorBucky Brooks@BuckyBrooks
Some execs fall for the trap of valuing picks > players. It’s hard to draft a Top 5 pick that PLAYS like a Top 5 player. @Jaguars better get it right on the next 2 draft nights because Ramsey is a premier player and those are not easy to find.Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
Upside: Cooks is 26, Goff is 25, Ramsey is 24, and each is now a known commodity.Downside: You give up cost-controlled assets, and Cooks and Goff are on top-of-the-market deals, and Ramsey should be soon, carrying an amazing amount of leverage.
znModeratorSosa K@QBsMVP
I applaud the Rams for striking while the iron is hot, I really do. The SB window is now, go for gold. But damn. At some point leveraging your future is going to bite you BIG. I surely hope it’s not this time, because the world deserves to see AD + Ramsey together.PFF@PFF
During his ELITE 2017 season, Ramsey was targeted 106 times including playoffs, allowing just 57 receptions for 755 yards, three touchdowns and five interceptions.Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
Assuming they don’t trade back in, the Jalen Ramsey deal means the Rams will go five years (2017-21) without a first-round pick.2017: to Tennessee for Jared Goff
2018: to New England for Brandin Cooks
2019: to Atlanta in trade down
2020-21: to Jacksonville for Jalen RamseySosa K@QBsMVP
Julio Jones went from playing against Darious Williams to Jalen Ramsey in like 1.5 hours. God bless him.Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Jalen Ramsey didn’t miss a paycheck….and got what he wanted.Jacksonville gets back a haul of picks.
Rams get the best CB in the game.
Win-win-win.
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— Jalen Ramsey (@jalenramsey) October 15, 2019
The Rams landed CB Jalen Ramsey from the Jaguars in a blockbuster trade: https://t.co/UjgddReu2I
— USA TODAY NFL (@usatodaynfl) October 15, 2019
October 15, 2019 at 7:19 pm in reply to: Rams traded Marcus Peters to Ravens for LB Kenny Young #106755znModerator3 things to know about new Rams LB Kenny Young
3 things to know about new Rams LB Kenny Young
Marcus Peters was in the final year of his contract, and rather than waiting for him to hit free agency in March, the Rams decided to unload him in a trade. They sent him to the Baltimore Ravens in exchange for LB Kenny Young and a 2020 draft pick.
Young isn’t a name universally recognized by NFL fans, but he’s a promising young player with the potential to become a future starter at linebacker. Here are three things to know about the Rams’ newest linebacker.
He was a fourth-round pick in 2018 out of UCLA
Young was a four-star recruit out of high school and wound up picking UCLA, which was far from his home in New Orleans. He was a standout for the Bruins, leading the team with 110 tackles, 8.5 of which were for a loss. He was named All-Pac-12 that year, adding a sack and three passes defensed to his stat line.
The Ravens took a chance on him in the fourth round, selecting him 122nd overall. Young started three games as a rookie in 2018, recording 2.5 sacks and 51 tackles.
He scored well at the combine last year
Young was the ninth-fastest linebacker in Indianapolis last year, running a 4.60 40-yard dash, while also finishing fifth at his position in the bench press (23 reps). His 36-inch vertical jump was seventh-best at the combine among linebackers, as well. In the short-shuttle, he finished 15th at his position with a time of 4.48 seconds.
He obviously has the athleticism to play in the NFL, it’s just about finding the right fit and him playing consistently. He fits best as a weakside linebacker, allowing him to flow to the ball rather than take on blocks on the strong side.
He battled adversity on his way to the NFL
Young didn’t have it easy growing up. According to his NFL.com draft profile, he lived with a friend when he was younger because his mom had trouble paying rent. His father was diagnosed with cancer during his sophomore season at UCLA, in the same year that his grandmother passed away.
Young is regarded as someone with high-character traits and overcoming adversity such as the events he experienced in the past are an example of his mental toughness.[
znModeratorAs @AndrewSiciliano pointed out, new Rams OL Austin Corbett only has 15 offensive snaps under his belt, so there’s not a ton of NFL tape on him out there. Here’s a clip from his college days at Nevada, where he mostly played LT: https://t.co/BfSvS4KI8A
— Stu Jackson (@StuJRams) October 15, 2019
znModeratorChadP71 @BrownsAccess@chadp71
Corbett is a really great young man. Comes from a hard-working family and he’s 100% a team-first guy. Good at Center and Left Guard.October 15, 2019 at 7:11 pm in reply to: Rams traded Marcus Peters to Ravens for LB Kenny Young #106752znModerator
znModeratorAndrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
Rams did play business of football well with Marcus Peters. Acquired him after Chiefs paid him a $5.3M bonus, had him for $1.7M last year, $2M this year and now Ravens deal with $4M left this year and pending free agency.TurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimes
Reminder that the Rams traded a 2018 4th and 2019 2nd for Peters.That latter pick would be a rookie this year cost controlled through 2022.
𝒥𝒾𝓂 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓉𝓉@Jim_Everett
The story ain’t so much about what Marcus Peters did or didn’t do, its going to be about what Darious Williams can get done.znModeratorGeoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
Trent Williams has taken over the Joe Thomas trade deadline role. Every team with a need at left tackle is trading for him.October 15, 2019 at 7:03 pm in reply to: Rams traded Marcus Peters to Ravens for LB Kenny Young #106749znModeratorNew Rams LB Kenny Young, from Week 1 of the preseason pic.twitter.com/XGky6wz8W5
— Stu Jackson (@StuJRams) October 15, 2019
znModeratorCarlo Cecchetto@CarloNews8
if they don’t use that capspace, can use next year.znModeratorNewest members of the #LARams Austin Corbett and Kenny Young bring new blood and promise to the team during their 3-game losing streak pic.twitter.com/K2EF2HbdVS
— PFF LA Rams (@PFF_Rams) October 15, 2019
znModeratorI don’t know what the Rams’ plan is at CB, but it’ll either involve Hill and Long/Williams starting, or a CB in a trade https://t.co/DxiqQ7QxFS
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) October 15, 2019
znModeratorThe 33rd overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft is the newest addition to the offensive line room.
Three things to know about @BigCorbs73!
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) October 15, 2019
October 15, 2019 at 6:28 pm in reply to: Rams traded Marcus Peters to Ravens for LB Kenny Young #106742znModeratorRams were deep at corner.
Besides Peters and Talib they had Hill, Williams, Robey-Coleman, and Long. On the practice squad, they have Dont’e Deayon.
There was a lot of good buzz about Williams.
znModeratortrey wingo@wingoz
They weren’t a one season wonder. They won 24 games the last two seasons under Sean McVay in the regular season. Have they played well this year? No, inconsistent but definitively not “ one season wonders “znModeratorGeoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
So Marcus Peters has been traded by Andy Reid and now Sean McVay/Wade Phillips. Maybe the Rams traded him because they can get value instead of him walking in free agency… or maybe (and both could be true) he freelances way too much on defense and it hurts their team.Peter Schrager@PSchrags
One note, re: Peters/Rams.
Org loved him, caused zero problems. Wasn’t a personality thing, here. Wanted to go young and player was in contract year. Trade was to a 4-2 team viewed as a top org. Good for both sides.znModeratorGeoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
So Marcus Peters has been traded by Andy Reid and now Sean McVay/Wade Phillips. Maybe the Rams traded him because they can get value instead of him walking in free agency… or maybe (and both could be true) he freelances way too much on defense and it hurts their team.znModeratoralyoshamucci
So … as Rams fans we know the feeling, getting the wind knocked out of us. The foul spectre of promise turning into a 7-9 season. I’m going to give a little perspective here.
Each of the last 3 losses exposed different areas, and we’re dealing with some injuries. A good team that is well coached, will use this as fuel and start cleaning up those errors. I am concerned with dynasty. McVay and Goff for the next five years.
Without taking anything away from the 9ers defense, which played an unreal game (especially the safeties) … we have Gurley and we win the game. We score on the goal line, and we don’t spot them a TD by fumbling on our own 15.
There are definitely some troubling elements to this loss, and Ill get to those. But I’m not pulling the emergency brake yet by any means.
The Good (no great)
1) Seeing Darrel get to full speed … that was promising.
2) First drive all runs was pretty freaking awesome.
3) Stiff defense given how many plays they ran on us. We never caved on defense.
4) Robey-Coleman playing really stout and tight, what a great investment.
5) Was watching Allen and how fast he gets to the second level … that’s impressive.
6) Sebastian Joseph-Day is kind of a beast. I think he’s just going to keep getting better. Gaines is getting more comfy as well, but SJD is disruptive right now.
7) Nice to have Rapp back. I really think he and JJ are going to make a great pair for a long time.
8) Troy Hill filling in okay. I expected a larger dropoff.
The Bad
9) Shanahan is a brute. He wants you in his game. Behind, and running on you all day and wearing you out with multiple sets of fresh legs. In a game like this you have to get first downs, you legit CANNOT go 3 and out against them. You basically need to script for first downs at the beginning of the drive.
10) Gotta bracket Kittle. He can beat you by himself if you let him. And he’s the heart of the offense, Garrapolo needs him to energize the rest, so you can’t let him get hot.
11) Need better 4th down plays.
12) Did he miss Everett for 6 again? I saw that, right? They need to get their timing down because he’s getting open against mismatches.
13) In a game like this, you need Cooper going early. Especially since we were missing TG.
The Ugly
14) Is it true that we didn’t convert a 3rd or fourth down all game? Did that really happen?
15) Demby at OG against them. He needs to be a backup, he’s not physically ready start against NFL linemen. Doesn’t matter if he knows the calls better if he can’t stop penetration at all.
16) Losing Boom.
17) Maybe losing JJ, that’ll hurt.
18) Losing the spark. Offense was visually defeated. I have a rule for QBs … to be a starting QB you promise 60 minutes of unjustified optimism, period. It’s never over. We were literally still in it and we looked broken. I’m not a fan of that. Can’t have that. Period.
19) Goff’s numbers. 78 yards total. and 1.9 fantasy points, lol. Wow.
20) Not being able to expose their two backup OTs. ??
21) Curious to see how they respond. This response wasn’t urgent enough .. so let’s see if they can dig a little deeper this week.
znModeratorSosa K@QBsMVP
I’ll say this: If you think the Rams are “packing it in”, you’re wrong. Trading an under-performing CB who’s a free agent in a few months isn’t a “pack it in” move. I think it’s the opposite, actually. Go make a move that’ll make a BIG difference and potentially spark something.DOWNTOWN RAMS [DTR]@DowntownRams
This is a massive trade. We saw Corbett in Mobile when we were out there for the Senior Bowl. Good interior OL prospect. His issue was when they placed him at tackle. Stick him into the interior and let him do work.Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
The Rams don’t sign DBsTurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimes
Marcus Peters makes it the 7th DB since Demoff/Pastoors took over contract negotiations that they didn’t re-sign (Nickell Robey-Coleman re-signed as slot corner):Darian Stewart
Janoris Jenkins
Rodney McLeod
T.J. McDonald
Trumaine Johnson
Lamarcus JoynerznModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_Long
Defensive rankings of the #LARams next two opponents (DVOA, Football Outsiders)…ATL: 29th
CIN: 31stznModeratorAnalysis
By Lance Zierleinhttps://www.nfl.com/prospects/austin-corbett?id=3219434f-5200-8097-d4cb-2bd53a7e3b55
AUSTIN CORBETT
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6′ 4″ 306 lbsCorbett won’t blow you away with any of his measurables or play traits, but he’s solid in most areas. Corbett is definitely sharp enough to move inside to guard or even center and has good technique, but his average to below average play strength and lack of length may be a concern. He has the size and talent to compete for a guard/center spot early on, but he may elevate above an average starter during his career.
Strengths
Fires hands with force and purpose in both run game and in pass protection
Initial punch is meant to send a message
Above average football intelligence
Understands his job and plays with good instincts and awareness against twists
Makes assignment adjustments quickly when faced with late, pre-snap movement by defenders
Plays with adequate lateral quickness and can compete in gaining proper positioning as move blocker
Executes quality cut blocks
Rarely panics with his feet when forced into recovery mode
Usually gets to his work-up targets as combo blocker
Adequate hand placement in pass pro
Considered a team leader and determined worker
Went from walk-on to four-year starterWeaknesses
Has only played tackle at Nevada and will have to prove he can make adjustment inside to guard
Lacks quality leverage and leg drive and may struggle to displace strong, interior lineman as base blocker
Allows defenders to slip out of his grasp when his hands placement falters
Hand strength and upper body power could fall below the mark needed for quality recovery against NFL power
Can be a tick late in redirecting his weight against counters
Core strength needs work
Struggles to maintain body control against quality stack and shed edge defendersznModerator#LARams LB Cory Littleton is ranked T-4th in the league among all defenders in total tackles so far this season
Through 6 games, Littleton has notched 42 tackles pic.twitter.com/7iD8qgcH6A
— PFF LA Rams (@PFF_Rams) October 15, 2019
znModeratorBack to the discussion of the term, “deep state.” Unless I misread Zooey, and I probably have, it doesn’t sound like he thinks there are enough people involved to constitute one, even if we’re just talking about per department or agency.
Same caveat with WV, but it sounds like he does think there are enough.
My own view is closer to ZN’s, and his contention of various factions. Though I would add that “desire for power” tends not to show up very often in career employees. The dynamic of power seeking is a highly selective process. As in, if someone seeks it out, and the “conspiracies” and machinations that generally go with it, they’re not likely to take the career civil servant route in the first place. Exceptions, of course, exist. Still, they’re far more likely to take shorter, more lucrative routes, which may end up with someone like a Gordon Sondland, who gave a million dollars to the Trump campaign and was handed an ambassadorship as a result. That’s a far more common practice for those who seek some form of state power.
Power both pre-selects and is selected. This is why a “deep state” is unlikely in America. In more “traditional” societies, where kin and kith and long memories are much more important, there are far better grounds for it. American society is too ephemeral, too “get yours now!”, too opposed to the long view. It’s far too “dynamic” to keep such a thing in place, beyond the built-in power that resides with wealth. This is why, I think, C. Wright Mills’ “Power Elite” idea makes much more sense for us.
Also, until we can dump capitalism for good, which is the necessary stage before we dump centralized state power, we better hope there are serious professional/career civil servants in place, who can counter venal leaders like Trump. Rather than view this as some sinister, coordinated plot . . . I think it’s one of those rare bright spots in a truly ugly time.
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Well just as a thot-experiment. Do you think Hoover’s FBI was or had parts of it that could be analogous to a ‘deep state’ ? Do you think he had the power, knowledge, will, to create and nurture something akin to a ‘deep state.’ ? The ‘deep state’ aspect of course is not the same as saying the FBI was ‘monolithic’ etc.
Just curious as to what you would label the Hoover thingy.
Btw, just so you know, the Hoover analogy is more of a RIGTHWING version of ‘the deep state.’
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Why does the normal and always understood idea that bureaucracies include entrenched professionals with agendas require the misleading and mystical sounding term “deep state”?Meanwhile the FBI and CIA were famously at odds for decades. Which one of them is the “deep state”? Or are they BOTH “deep states”?
I have always, since I first became politically aware, understood how factions of entrenched professionals in the FBI, CIA, military, and state dept. have influenced policy and various courses of action. I have never NOT thought that.
And yet I find the term “deep state” to be useless and pointless. I’ve already said why. So we just differ on that.
That’s a minor point. The real point I want to make is I have no issue at all with how the Trump stuff got revealed and to me, to throw doubt on it, doesn’t seem all that useful.
…October 14, 2019 at 9:44 pm in reply to: so what happened to the 2019 Rams (so far ie at 3-3) #106695znModeratorRams searching for answers after falling to 49ers in third consecutive loss
GARY KLEIN
As he stood in front of his locker, searching for the appropriate words to describe the Rams’ current state of mind, veteran safety Eric Weddle stopped and started a few times.
The Rams had just suffered a 20-7 loss to the San Francisco 49ers at the Coliseum, a setback that extended the Rams’ losing streak to three games.
“We’re not panicking,” Weddle finally offered, “but this is serious. We gotta figure it out.”
It’s no longer early in the season. And while it might not be time for full-panic mode, the Rams are clearly reeling.
A franchise that experienced seemingly endless losing streaks during its latter years in St. Louis and in its first season back in Los Angeles was immune to more than even a two-game skid under coach Sean McVay.
That all changed Sunday.
After getting worked by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at home a few weeks ago, and then losing on the road to the Seattle Seahawks four days later, the Rams could not rebound against a 49ers team coached by its own wunderkind, Kyle Shanahan.
The two-time defending NFC West-champion Rams are 3-3 overall and 0-2 in the division heading into a road game against the Atlanta Falcons and then a “home” game against the Cincinnati Bengals in London.
The resurgent 49ers — rooted on by a large and boisterous contingent of fans among the crowd of 75,695 — gave up an early touchdown before shutting down the Rams and improving to 5-0.
“It turned into a home game pretty quickly,” said 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, who completed 24 of 33 passes for 243 yards, with an interception. “It was a lot of red out there.”
McVay’s message to his team?
“Let’s stay together,” he said. “Let’s not this little bit of adversity we’re going through divide us.”
Players echoed that message, but this is clearly uncharted territory for the vast majority of a team that has known only division titles and a Super Bowl run under McVay.
The Rams’ 3-0 start indicated they might avoid the malaise — and mediocrity or worse — that has afflicted so many teams the season after they lost in the Super Bowl. But after three consecutive defeats, the Rams are in danger of repeating the familiar script.
“It’s a gut check,” quarterback Jared Goff said of the three-game losing streak and how the Rams need to respond. “Are you who you say you are?”
The Rams were not at full strength Sunday. Star tailback Todd Gurley, linebacker Clay Matthews and cornerback Aqib Talib sat out because of injuries suffered against the Seahawks. But the Rams struggled the previous two games when those veteran players were in the lineup.
On Sunday, the offense produced just 157 yards. Goff completed 13 of 24 passes for a career-low 78 yards. He was sacked four times and was pressured throughout by the 49ers’ front four.
The Rams did not convert any of their nine third downs, and they were zero for four on fourth down.
“It’s not one answer to it,” Goff said of the offense’s problems. “There’s not one thing that needs to pick up. It’s everyone, myself included. I just need to be better and execute better.”
In Gurley’s absence, running backs Malcolm Brown and Darrell Henderson played well during the first half. After Rams tackle Aaron Donald sacked Garoppolo on the first possession, the Rams got the ball and ran seven consecutive running plays, scoring on receiver Robert Woods’ touchdown run.
“There was a good enthusiasm,” McVay said. “There was a good juice and that was the way you wanted to start.”
But Henderson’s fumble on the first play of the second half led to a touchdown that enabled the 49ers to break a 7-7 tie and continue what became a string of 20 consecutive points.
“NFL games come down to little tiny plays here or there throughout the game,” offensive lineman Andrew Whitworth said. “Whereas the year before and even in ‘17, I think we found a way to execute those little moments, and get the momentum back and make a big play that got us in the game or take a lead and get control of a game.
“Right now we’re just missing those plays. When you do, it all kind of just piles on you.”
The 49ers came into the game averaging a league-best 200 yards rushing a game. The Rams limited them to 99, and the defense gave the offense opportunities when Marcus Peters intercepted a pass in the second quarter and Donald stripped the ball from Garoppolo in the fourth.
“They gave us a chance,” McVay said of the defense.
But the offense failed to capitalize. Donald said he was not worried.
“You go out there trying to find ways to feed the offense the ball, and we know they’re going to get on track eventually,” Donald said. “You can’t point fingers and get upset about it. Just got to find a way.”
Rams players expect a team turnaround. And soon.
“I’m not concerned,” said linebacker Samson Ebukam, who started in place of Matthews. “I’ve got full faith in our team, that we’re going to be able to get out of this ruckus. … We got a no-blink mentality. We’re shooting ourselves in the foot, and once we get that cleaned up, man, it’s over for everybody that we face. I promise you that.”
The Rams will not be back at the Coliseum until they play the Chicago Bears on Nov. 17.
The Rams travel to Atlanta next Sunday, and then will stay there for most of the week before continuing on to London. They are off the next week and then play the Pittsburgh Steelers on Nov. 10.
Going on the road might be the best thing for the Rams.
“You hope so,” Goff said, “You hope it’s galvanizing.”
Isolation, Woods said, might do the Rams good.
“Stay connected,” he said. “Just worry about ourselves.”[
znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_Long
McVay leaving the door open to rookie David Edwards joining the #LARams starting lineup to help replace LG Joe Noteboom (ACL/MCL). Not committing to Demby taking over in Week 7. Also mentioning looking externally for OL depth.October 14, 2019 at 8:32 pm in reply to: Talib on IR, Noteboom out for year, & other injury updates #106685znModeratorVincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
#Rams bout with injuries this year in complete contrast to last two. It’s everything in sportsGary Klein@LATimesklein
John Johnson will have MRI on right shoulder for a second opinion. Could be out for extended period, per McVay.October 14, 2019 at 8:26 pm in reply to: Talib on IR, Noteboom out for year, & other injury updates #106682znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_Long
Injury updates from @RamsNFL McVay going into Week 7…
Talib: I/R (ribs)
Noteboom: ACL/MCL (out for year)
Johnson: Getting MRI/second opinion on shoulder
Brown: Ankle (day-to-day)McVay also updating Todd Gurley’s leg injury:
“Hopeful to be able to get him back for Atlanta.”
znModeratorfrom PFF ReFocused: San Francisco 49ers 20, Los Angeles Rams 7
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-6-pff-refocused-san-francisco-49ers-20-los-angeles-rams-7
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LOS ANGELES RAMS
The defensive line of the Rams was very active in both the run and pass game. Aaron Donald and Sebastian Joseph-Day were in the backfield all game. They did not have as big of an impact since the 49ers were getting the ball out of the quarterback’s hands quickly in the passing game, as well as using screens to keep the rush off balance.
The Rams’ linebackers struggled when asked to drop in zone coverage. There were a number of plays where the targeted receiver was open by a few yards and a few coverage busts by the linebackers. The pass defense as a whole did not force Garoppolo to get off his first option very often, which hurt the pass-rush of the Rams.
Jared Goff had a very poor performance in this game, and not just as a result of a good 49ers’ defense. Goff struggled to get the ball to his receivers, often one-hopping throws to them even when they were open. He almost exclusively looked short on all his throws and while he didn’t have any dangerous ones, he just missed far too many easy ones.
Malcolm Brown got off to a hot start as he opened the game with four great rushes to lead the Rams down the field for their only touchdown drive of the game. His one-hop cut into holes and then explosive bursts looked good early on, but he fell flat for the rest of the game.
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