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znModeratorProFootballReference@pfref
The San Francisco defense dominated last night, holding Aaron Rodgers to 104 yards on 33 pass attempts.Rodgers only has 4 starts with fewer passing yards, and all 4 were games he left early due to injury or end-of-season rest
znModeratorCurious to witness what @sonofbum has up his sleeves for @Lj_era8 on Monday night. pic.twitter.com/Y9xFqRrLUL
— đ„đŸđ đžđđđđđđ (@Jim_Everett) November 25, 2019
znModeratorBrett Kollmann@BrettKollmann
This is the second time this year that a “Seattle-style” cover three with Carroll-match-zone roots has dominated Green Bay’s offense.LaFleur needs to find a way to generate more rushing production against DL’s that set hard edges to take away OZ. Need more IZ/power mixed in.
Nick Wagoner@nwagoner
The #49ers had 5 sacks tonight, giving them 44 for the season, most in the NFL. That’s also their most in a season since 2009 (also 44).NFL Research@NFLResearch
The Packers went 0-10 on 3rd and 4th down in the first half of #SundayNightFootball.That’s the most attempts without a conversion by any team in an opening half in the last 20 seasons.
Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
How do you lose track of George Kittle?Lance Zierlein@LanceZierlein
We saw that 3-TE, play action deep balls when Kyle Shanahan was calling plays for Gary Kubiak in Houston. Kubiak was doing before that as he learned it from… Mike Shanahan.Next Gen Stats@NextGenStats
Aaron Rodgers did not complete a pass over 10+ air yards (0 for 8) for the first time in a game he finished in the Next Gen Stats era (since 2016).The @49ers have allowed only 4 deep completions (20+ air yards) all season, fewest in the NFL.
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Lafleur hit them with the mcvay special pic.twitter.com/Zke58eKPwK
— Clash Of The Horns (@RamfamPodcaster) November 25, 2019
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
According to Schefterâs sources, the Rams didnât find out Woods wasnât playing vs. Chicago until 3 hours before kickoff.Schefterâs source is probably Sean McVay, who literally said the Rams didnât find out until âa couple hours before the game.â
Talk about a non-story
Of course they were surprised by his family emergency. So was he.
Brandon Thorn@BrandonThornNFL
Over the last several years the OL in the NFL has been weaker than the DL (as a whole) & OT is the thinnest position on the OL. There have been some great examples lately driving home thIs point + the value of a great T. GB losing Bulaga, Wynn returning to NE, Lane down in PHI.Tunsilâs impact, what DAL looked like without Tyron/Collins, LAC without Okung. The list goes on. What SF did without their two tackles this season is an anomaly, largely because Shanahan is so great at what he does.
Some teams can handle losing one of them (PHI at LT, BUF at RT) but the list is very short and the drop off for most very steep.
znModeratorfrom PFF: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-12-pff-refocused-san-francisco-49ers-37-green-bay-packers-8
It was a rough night for the Packers in pass protection as a whole, but it was an especially long night for the team at right tackle. Stalwart tackle Bryan Bulaga went down early in the game, and with him out, Nick Bosa and the 49ers’ pass-rush tormented Alex Light for the rest of the night. San Francisco brought five or more pass-rushers throughout the game, forcing help away from Light, which put him in one-on-one situations that he was ill-equipped to win.
znModeratorRob Demovsky
ESPN Staff Writer
The Packers were 0-for-9 on third down in the first half and trail 23-0. Aaron Rodgers was just 1-of-6 for 7 yards and has been sacked twice on third down. And then there was the failed fourth-and-1 run as well.The 49ers didn’t convert a third down either (0-for-5), but it didn’t much matter.
mike freeman@mikefreemanNFL
One of the most amazing things from today: Gilmore covered Amari Cooper one-on-one for about 90 percent of the snaps and Cooper didnât have a single damn catch.Sosa K@QBsMVP
Honestly, the 49ers and Seahawks just feel like theyâre a cut above every other NFC team.Cody@cbswartz5
Carson Wentz is 28-23 as a starter in his career.3-10 without Lane Johnson
25-13 with Lane Johnson
znModeratorAfter initial X-rays taken during the game today were negative, Eaglesâ QB Carson Wentz will undergo further testing on his injured right hand:https://t.co/KoeiI8cBIF
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) November 25, 2019
znModeratorThis @49ers defense does NOT mess around đ€
Aaron Rodgers gets strip sacked on the opening drive
(via @NFL) pic.twitter.com/Z9Dqh3feoS
— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) November 25, 2019
znModeratormike freeman@mikefreemanNFL
One of the most amazing things from today: Gilmore covered Amari Cooper one-on-one for about 90 percent of the snaps and Cooper didn’t have a single damn catch.Sosa K@QBsMVP
Honestly, the 49ers and Seahawks just feel like they’re a cut above every other NFC team.Cody@cbswartz5
Carson Wentz is 28-23 as a starter in his career.3-10 without Lane Johnson
25-13 with Lane Johnson
znModeratorSosa K@QBsMVP
2 tripping calls called vs. the Cowboys today were horrible. Ended the game.==
This is the exact opposite of a tripping. He moved out of the way to avoid tripping the defender. This BS has to stop. Please NFL. Stop this. pic.twitter.com/J8Lt0RBKls
— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) November 25, 2019
znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_Long
Certainly take an AFC win over an NFC contender, anytime.But it’ll be nearly impossible for L.A. to play into January unless they win head-to-head in Dallas next month.
So best I can tell, after PHI loss, this DAL-NE outcome is of very minimal consequence to #LARams.
znModeratorLate throwsânot in terms of timing with receivers but deciding late in the process of the play to make a perimeter throw that requires a late turnâare difficult for QBs to execute by nature and often need a precise mechanical process. Wentz lacks it here. TD lost. pic.twitter.com/bIgDZ54fcH
— Matt Waldman (@MattWaldman) November 24, 2019
znModeratorAndrew Siciliano@AndrewSiciliano
Case Keenum has to take a knee for the Redskins to end the game because Dwayne Haskins was taking selfies with fans.Bill Barnwell@billbarnwell
The refs just overturned a pass interference call in the Superdome against the Saints
znModeratorRich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
Seahawks are headed toward a win and a 9-2 record. If youâre tracking the Ramsâ playoff chances, itâs probably best to cut bait on the idea of them catching Seattle and instead hope the Seahawks beat 8-3 Minnesota next week.
znModeratorđđ„đđđđđĄđ: Steelers bench Mason Rudolph; Devlin Hodges in at QBhttps://t.co/6wkO1mJBpS pic.twitter.com/txeOoqNZ9T
— Around The NFL (@AroundTheNFL) November 24, 2019
znModeratorYep. This is happening here today. #Bills pic.twitter.com/OlBxgclO8W
— Thad Brown (@thadbrown7) November 24, 2019
znModeratorThis is always a difficult extension angle to attack a target but Chris Godwin doesnât clap onto the ball as much as he folds his fingers around it. Excellent technique here. pic.twitter.com/QTNeDLEqIJ
— Matt Waldman (@MattWaldman) November 24, 2019
znModeratorI am still unable to process giving up 55 to the Bucs.
Defense just did not come to play that game. Weddle was yelling at them on the sideline at one point.
znModeratorProFootballReference@pfref
Russ has a 123.0 on deep passes, the best of any QB with 40+ deep attempts this season==
Best deep passer in the NFL for years now https://t.co/VJ4glPf6ie
— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) November 24, 2019
znModeratorThe Rams are now a defense-first team, but thatâs about to get a huge test
Rich Hammond
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. â Aaron Donald, close that book. Jalen Ramsey, sharpen that pencil. This isnât even pop-quiz time for the Rams defense. Itâs more like a final exam.
The defense has been stellar in its past four games, a period that just so happened to coincide with the trade addition of Ramsey, arguably the best cover cornerback in the NFL. The Rams now can play more man-press coverage and give their front seven more time to get to opposing quarterbacks.
âWe know we can be one of the best defenses in the league,â outside linebacker Dante Fowler said. âThatâs what we want to do.â
Thereâs no arguing the results. The Rams have allowed a total of four touchdowns in their past four games â albeit against very weak offenses â and have transformed the identity of a team that, as recently as 12 months ago, was known for scoring 30 or 40 points per game. Those days are done. The Rams offense now looks like a runner in Mile 25 of a marathon â still moving, just at a labored pace.
Itâs been fascinating to watch the transition, one embraced by coach Sean McVay, but before any further deification of this defense, the Rams must slow the Baltimore Ravens on Monday night at the Coliseum.
Good luck.
The Ravens (8-2) lead the league with an average of 34.1 points per game. Thatâs more points than the catch-your-breath Rams put up in 2017 or 2018. The Ravens do a lot of things well and have the ability to control the ball with running back Mark Ingram, but the eye-popping play comes from their quarterback.
Lamar Jackson, at age 22 and in his first full season as a starter, has been the must-watch player of this NFL season. Jackson has completed two-thirds of his pass attempts, with 19 touchdowns and only five interceptions in 10 games. Plus, Jackson has 781 rushing yards, more than all but 10 NFL running backs.
The Rams play Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson twice each season, but Jackson is on a different level right now because of how he can beat a team in multiple ways. The name being tossed around in comparison is Michael Vick, who just happened to visit the Ramsâ locker room after last weekâs game. Rams defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, who spent two seasons with Vick in Atlanta (2002-03), even referred to Jackson as âVick-plus.â
âHeâs a dynamic player,â Donald said of Jackson. âHe can do a lot of different things. When heâs got the ball in his hands, heâs a tough guy to get down to the ground. We know what to expect from that, just from seeing it on film. Weâve got a game plan. Weâve just got to go out there and execute it.â
Jackson and the Ravens will test everything the Ramsâ defense has done well over the past four weeks since they acquired Ramsey in a blockbuster trade with Jacksonville. The Rams have played tighter coverage, tackled well and gotten to quarterbacks, and thatâs the exact formula theyâll need against the Ravens.
Maybe they call pull it off. No other team has against the Ravens since early October, but in their past four games, the Rams have enjoyed a dramatic defensive turnaround in all areas. Hereâs the breakdown:

âI think in the past however many weeks, weâve played well defensively,â Ramsey said. âI feel like itâs since Iâve been here. Iâm not saying itâs because of me. Just saying that since Iâve been here, Iâve noticed it.â
No, thatâs fine, Jalen, give yourself some credit. Thereâs a straight-line correlation between Ramseyâs arrival and the Ramsâ defensive improvement.
The Ramsâ increased sack total arguably is the most important figure. With Ramsey on the field â and with some solid play from fellow starting cornerback Troy Hill and the safeties â the Rams are harder to throw against. Itâs now more difficult for opposing quarterbacks to find open targets soon after the snap.
That means extra time for the Ramsâ front seven, and even a fraction of a second more makes a difference for fierce pass-rushers such as Donald, Fowler and Clay Matthews. Donald, for instance, frequently is a target of offensive-line double teams.
Donald recorded only three sacks in the Ramsâ first six games this season, but how many times did he come this-close to taking down a quarterback? A lot. Now, Donald has five sacks in four games when sharing the field with Ramsey. No player on the roster has benefitted more.
Itâs also fair to point out, though, that the Rams have feasted on some terrible offenses of late.
Atlanta has surged in November, but when the Rams played the Falcons last month, they were 1-5. Cincinnati, the following weekâs opponent, entered 0-7 and had scored more than 20 points only once. Pittsburgh played with a backup quarterback and running back and Chicago, last weekâs opponent, looked completely inept, with quarterback Mitchell Trubisky off-target on his pass attempts and out of synch with his receivers all night.
The Rams have feasted on some sugary snacks for the past month. Now itâs time for some meat.
Baltimoreâs ability to control the ball is daunting for opponents, and the Ravens are good at converting third downs â likely because many of them are short-distance scenarios â so the Ramsâ strategy must start with pinning Jackson in the pocket and making him uncomfortable.
Good luck with that, of course, but itâs the best way to approach the game. The Ravens have lost two games and been taken to overtime once. In those three games, Jackson was sacked a total of 12 times. In the Ravensâ seven regulation victories, Jackson was sacked a total of eight times.
The other big thing for the Rams would be an early lead. The Ravens are accustomed to playing with the lead, running the ball and dictating the pace. If the Rams can force the Ravens to put the ball in the air more, and force Jackson to make plays with his arm more often than with his feet, thatâs a winning scenario.
But, well, this isnât exactly a strength for the Rams, who have scored only one first-quarter offensive touchdown in 10 games this season. Perhaps the defense can come up with one, as Fowler did two weeks ago when he returned a first-quarter fumble for a touchdown against Pittsburgh.
In general, though, the improvement of the Rams defense helps the offense. McVay said the Ramsâ defensive strength âcertainly doesâ impact the way he calls offensive plays, and the defense helps the offense play with a certain calmness in ways that arenât always easy to identify on the stat sheet.
Take last weekâs victory over Chicago, for instance. Given the way the Bears were moving the ball â they werenât â the game seemed very much in hand after the Rams took a 10-0 lead late in the second quarter. Thatâs why McVay didnât get overly aggressive in the second half. He trusted the defense. Todd Gurley had a season-high 25 carries and, well, if the Rams had to punt, they did. McVay wasnât going to make risky calls just because he felt he had to maintain a multi-touchdown lead.
âNow, certainly that doesnât mean you donât want to be efficient and operate with consistency offensively,â McVay said, âbut I think it does enable you to feel like â I donât necessarily know if conservative is the word, but you want to play a smart, complementary game. I think (the Bears game) indicated our ability to approach the game like that.â
Itâs unreasonable to expect a full duplication against Baltimore, though. Three weeks ago, the Ravens gave New England its first loss of the season. In the following two weeks, Baltimore outscored Cincinnati and Houston by a combined margin of 90-20. The Ravens have yet to be held under 23 points this season, and the Rams have totaled only 53 points combined in their past three games.
So the Rams must hope their offense awakens and that their defense does things to the Ravens that no other team has done in 2019.
âWeâve been playing some good ball this year,â outside linebacker Clay Matthews said. âWhether we score 42 points on offense or 17, our defense expects to hold their own. I think, for the most part, weâve been able to do that this year. Furthermore, we continue to get better and better.â
If thatâs true, then the Ramsâ tenuous playoff hopes will greatly improve. In 2018, the offense carried the Rams to the Super Bowl. In 2019, can the defense drag it to the postseason?
November 24, 2019 at 12:26 pm in reply to: around the NFL tweets (& some college FB too) … starting 11/22 #108561
znModeratorThis is awesome đ
Nathan Mays, who suffered a season-ending injury earlier this year, was carried onto the field for the final snap of his career. pic.twitter.com/J28xY2jdsH
— ESPN (@espn) November 24, 2019
znModeratorI don’t see this as a playoff year. That does not have me “bummed” or any of that…it’s just not in the cards. They could get there, I s’pose, but if they do, to me it’s gravy. I see it as more of a “change the offensive scheme and OL” year, though that wasn’t the original plan. A stumbled-up OL changed the initial plan.
And also, a get the defense in a higher gear year. So it will be interesting to see how they fare against the league’s top 3 qbs.
znModeratorBob Condotta@bcondotta
Jadeveon Clowney is inactive for the Seahawks.
znModeratorRams Week 12 preview: 5 questions with Ravens Wire https://t.co/kmxrlP60sa via @theramswire
— RamsNewsNow (@RamsNewsNow) November 24, 2019
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How has Marcus Peters played since arriving?
Peters has been stellar for Baltimore. Itâs not a coincidence the Ravensâ defense has jumped up the rankings after trading for him, holding the No. 1 DVOA since Week 7, when they traded for Peters. Heâs been physical and aggressive without being too much of either thing to draw penalties or get burned deep. In return, that aggressiveness has netted him two interceptions, returning both for touchdowns. Heâs the perfect complement to Marlon Humphrey, who has arguably been the best cornerback in the league this season, albeit not putting up a ton of interceptions of his own.
Perhaps the best thing about having Peters is that he allows defensive coordinator Don Martindale to be a little more inventive with how he manufacturers pressure. By knowing the cornerbacks have things locked down fully now, he can send blitzes from different spots and at different times to throw off offensive lines and quarterbacks.
What has changed about the Ravens defense the last few weeks?
The biggest change has obviously been Peters, but quite a lot has changed outside of that, actually. The Ravens have added six players since Week 5 that have turned into impact players playing a high percentage of snaps.
Outside of Peters, I contend the biggest and most important defensive change has come at linebacker, seeing Baltimore switch out Kenny Young and Patrick Onwuasor for Josh Bynes and L.J. Fort. That change immediately saw improvements, most importantly in coverage, with Bynes grabbing an interception just a few days after being signed. Much like with Peters, the improved play at linebacker has allowed the rest of the defense to take added responsibilities off their shoulders and just do their individual jobs better. The secondary hasnât had as many lapses, the run defense is in much better shape and the Ravens have generated more consistent pressure.
Another big reason the defense has improved has simply been because everyoneâs getting more comfortable with the playbook and each other. A large portion of the starting defense is made up of newcomers that werenât with the team just last year â some being signed as recently as last week. As guys like safety Earl Thomas have jelled with the coaching staff and their teammates, the play has steadily improved with it. It both helps and hurts that the Ravens run a more complicated scheme that includes a bigger playbook than most others.
That takes time to digest and turn into muscle memory, but once they get there, thereâs a lot to dig your teeth into and play with on the fly. Weâre seeing the defense come out on the other side now and putting in performances similar to what we saw last year with their No. 1 ranking.
What is Lamar Jacksonâs biggest weakness right now?
I still wonder if Jackson would revert back to some of his bad habits and mechanics if a defense could find a way to throw him off his rhythm or dictate to the Ravensâ offense what theyâll do instead of the other way around. Heâs had some of that happen earlier in the season but has generally been improving from Week 4 on, coinciding with his MVP argument strengthening. However, we saw a little dip in the first quarter of Week 11 against the Houston Texans before regaining his mojo and going 13-of-13 the rest of the way.
The problem with trying to replicate that success against Jackson is that it almost seems to be self-created rather than what a defense has done to him thus far. Even last week against the Texans, it was Baltimoreâs miscues that threw everything off in the first quarter. Once they settled down as a team, they got right back to form and never flinched again. Part of the reason for that rhythm is that the Ravensâ offense is a pick-your-poison style that creates mismatches in a few spots and then picks apart wherever a defense is pulling from to cover elsewhere.
If you use a safety to spy Jackson, itâs going to leave passing lanes open to Marquise Brown and Mark Andrews. If you have a stout defensive line and you commit to shutting down the power rushing attack, you probably donât have the outside speed to keep Jackson from running around you or the speed on the field to protect against the intermediate passing attack inside. If you throw more defenders into the secondary to cover everyone and keep Jackson contained, theyâll bludgeon you with running backs Mark Ingram and Gus Edwards)
What happened in the Ravensâ two losses? How did the Chiefs and Browns win?
Both of those games were before Baltimoreâs defense underwent a dramatic change in personnel. In fact, those two games were the reason the Ravens made such drastic changes, starting in Week 5. In both games, the secondary had major lapses that left guys completely uncovered for touchdowns, something you canât have against talented offenses. Combine that with little in the way of a pass rush, and it allowed two really good quarterbacks to just sit back and pick apart an already battered secondary.
On both sides of the ball, Baltimore had penalties at the worst possible times. It killed their drives while sustaining drives for their opponents, and further wore out a defense that was dealing with injuries that kept out quite a few starters. Against the Chiefs, a close loss very well could have been a win if they get a few calls their way or some questionable penalties arenât called at all. Against the Browns, it allowed what was already set to be a close division matchup to turn into a blowout in favor of Cleveland. Losing the turnover battle that week didnât help them either.
Whatâs your prediction for Monday night?
As has been the case for the last few weeks, Iâm not sure if the Rams have the defensive talent to take away everything the Ravens can do. They have one of the best defensive lines in the league, which should do wonders against Baltimoreâs physical power-rushing attack. But theyâre going to either have to sell out to contain Jackson, which will open up the pass or theyâre going to have to let Jackson run all over them and hope they can limit the damage. Weâve seen defenses try to do both and ultimately no one has been able to really shut them down yet.
So itâs going to come down to whether Los Angelesâ offense can beat the Ravensâ defense, which has been arguably their best unit over the last three weeks in spite of Jackson and the offense getting all the praise. Considering Jared Goff has more turnovers than touchdowns through 10 games this season and Todd Gurleyâs usage continues to draw questions and criticism, Iâm not sure the Rams have what it takes to win a shootout. And when Baltimore gets out to a two-score lead in a game, opponents have gotten desperate and only dug themselves further into the hole like quicksand.
I think thatâs exactly what happens here as well. Itâll be a close one for the first half, but the Ravens take a big enough lead in the third quarter to force the Rams into abandoning the run and leaning on Goff, which only causes more problems as Baltimoreâs opportunistic defense makes them pay. Which then, in turn, gives the offense a short field, and they pile on the points quickly.
Ravens 38, Rams 17
znModeratorRams Week 12 rooting guide: Who should L.A. pull for on Sunday? https://t.co/aPQE9in41q via @theramswire
— RamsNewsNow (@RamsNewsNow) November 24, 2019
November 24, 2019 at 12:14 am in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #108550
znModeratorwow seems like a really fair deal pic.twitter.com/0DA7tjcYN4
— jordan (@JordanUhl) November 24, 2019
znModeratorTurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimes
#LARams OT Rob Havenstein, DB Darious Williams ruled OUT for Week 12 vs. Baltimore #RavensGary Klein@LATimesklein
For the first time since the first series against Bengals, the Rams on track to have starting receivers together against Ravens.J.B. Long@JB_Long
Baltimore is the first #NFL team to rush for over 2,000 yards in ANY 10-game span since
@EricDickerson and the 1984 @RamsNFLPFF LA Rams@PFF_Rams
So far this season, Rookie Taylor Rapp (T-4th) and Veteran Eric Weddle (9th) both land in the Top 10 in Tackling Grades among Safeties with at least 200 snaps==
A behind-the-scenes look at what you DONâT see during an NFL game:https://t.co/GppCYBgIIc
— Sam Farmer (@LATimesfarmer) November 21, 2019
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znModeratorIs that snow scene, um, real?
Apparently not. Well, the snow is real. But it’s not Canada.
Another place lists the pic as from Japan.
Yuki-no-Otani Snow Canyon road in Japan. pic.twitter.com/abD0XzfIo7
— Nature's Lovers (@natureslover_s) January 3, 2019
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November 23, 2019 at 4:57 pm in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #108540
znModeratorSnowboarding by night âïžđ
Lapland, Finland đ«đź pic.twitter.com/dHPgPynAGh
— Buitengebieden (@buitengebieden_) November 23, 2019
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