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znModerator"The Rams now have TWO generational talents on defense." đȘđ€
Howie Long has high praises for the Rams newest acquisition, @jalenramsey pic.twitter.com/rZUUwFc1kX
— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) October 17, 2019
October 17, 2019 at 7:54 pm in reply to: non-Rams NFL tweets + some college FB too … 10/13 thru ? #106859
znModeratorHerm Edwards and Arizona St had a fabulous showing on 24/7 last night. Like no one else can do, Herm breaks down the essence of football. You canât cheat the game if you want to win. Listen in. pic.twitter.com/Xj1d7sdCxa
— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) October 17, 2019
znModeratorfrom Week 7 PFF Preview – https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-7-pff-players-to-watch-predictions-betting-projections
Los Angeles Rams @ Atlanta Falcons
Players to Watch
The Falconsâ defense has been awful to start the season. Only the Miami Dolphins rank lower in EPA per play allowed, and Atlantaâs highest-graded defensive back in coverage is Desmond Trufant with his dismal 57.9 coverage grade. Deion Jones and Grady Jarrett have both earned high grades to start the year, but their efforts havenât been enough to mask the woeful play in the secondary.
Cooper Kupp should have a field day against Atlanta if targeted early and often. He leads all Los Angeles receivers in yards per route run (2.20) and receiving grade (79.8) through Week 6.
In Week 1, the Rams had the fifth-highest time of possession (ignoring overtimes) in the league, at 33:16. That number has dropped literally every week since, down to a season-low 21:08 in Week 6 that was fourth-lowest. The team averaged the eighth-highest time of possession in 2018. Less time of possession generally means fewer plays, which means fewer chances at fantasy production. It lowers the ceiling of the entire offense.
Greenline Preview
Two teams that have underperformed and let bettors down face off in this potentially high-scoring matchup. The market seems to be buying into the Falcons, with the juice sliding toward them, or this spread dropping to +2.5. If +2.5 is available, Greenline thinks this is a good spot to fade the Falcons.
znModeratorfrom Week 7 PFF Preview – https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-7-pff-players-to-watch-predictions-betting-projections
Los Angeles Rams @ Atlanta Falcons
Players to Watch
The Falconsâ defense has been awful to start the season. Only the Miami Dolphins rank lower in EPA per play allowed, and Atlantaâs highest-graded defensive back in coverage is Desmond Trufant with his dismal 57.9 coverage grade. Deion Jones and Grady Jarrett have both earned high grades to start the year, but their efforts havenât been enough to mask the woeful play in the secondary.
Cooper Kupp should have a field day against Atlanta if targeted early and often. He leads all Los Angeles receivers in yards per route run (2.20) and receiving grade (79.8) through Week 6.
In Week 1, the Rams had the fifth-highest time of possession (ignoring overtimes) in the league, at 33:16. That number has dropped literally every week since, down to a season-low 21:08 in Week 6 that was fourth-lowest. The team averaged the eighth-highest time of possession in 2018. Less time of possession generally means fewer plays, which means fewer chances at fantasy production. It lowers the ceiling of the entire offense.
Greenline Preview
Two teams that have underperformed and let bettors down face off in this potentially high-scoring matchup. The market seems to be buying into the Falcons, with the juice sliding toward them, or this spread dropping to +2.5. If +2.5 is available, Greenline thinks this is a good spot to fade the Falcons.
znModeratorfrom PFF: NFL defense rankings through Week 6 – https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-defense-rankings-through-week-6
10. LOS ANGELES RAMS
Itâs hard to talk about the Rams defense and not begin with the absolute force in the middle of their defense that is Aaron Donald. Donât fall for his pedestrian sack total of three. Donald has still proven to be one of the leagueâs best pass rushers with a pass-rushing grade of 90.3. The concern on the Rams defense is how their new-look cornerback unit will respond in the weeks to come. With Aqib Talib dealing with a serious rib injury and Marcus Peters being shipped to Baltimore, the cornerback room was dangerously thin for several hours, but those fears were quickly assuaged with the addition of Jalen Ramsey. Adding one of the top cornerbacks in the NFL can only help the Rams secondary, but will it be enough to propel them into top-five defense territory?
znModeratorI’m a sorta now-n-then user of Game Pass. I know of no way to get it on tv. Has to be the computer or phone, near as I know.
znModeratorVincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
Wade Phillips just came through the #Rams media room on his way to practice, took the podium to say he had one more thing to add: “Ramsey starts with Rams.” he said.And with that, Phillips was off to practice.
#Rams DC Wade Phillips complimented @jalenramsey on how smart he is and how quick he’s already been picking things up. As a result, if Jalen can play, it looks like there won’t be many scheme restrictions on him.
Stu Jackson@StuJRams
CB Jalen Ramsey participated in the Rams’ walkthrough this morning. HC Sean McVay said how he performs and recovers from this afternoon’s practice will provide better indication of whether he’ll play on Sunday against the Falcons.Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Sean McVay provided updates on Todd Gurley (Thigh contusion) and Malcolm Brown (Ankle): “Todd is making good progress. He participated in the walk through, heâs going to continue to do some stuff at practice and then with Malcolm, heâll be day-to-day and weâll just kind of keep our eye on that, but he wonât practice today.” When asked if Brown would play Sunday, McVay said: “It’s hard to say, he’s questionable for the game. I think you want to see some progress to be able to feel good about it.”Gary Klein@LATimesklein
Darious Williams said he was “absolutely” ready for opportunity. âThatâs what you live for. You don’t come to the NFL just to sit back. You come to play against the best, and I feel like they did a good job preparing me. So either way Iâm ready for it.”Stu Jackson@StuJRams
Q: What are the Rams getting out of Jalen Ramsey?A: “The best corner in the NFL for years and years and years to come. I’m going to be who I am and do what I got to do to go prove that statement is true.”
znModeratorJust gonna leave this here. Maybe my kids will see it. Maybe think I was pretty cool. Probably not. https://t.co/1Xk4HpxYkP
— Grant Wistrom (@GrantWistrom) October 16, 2019
znModeratorSosa K@QBsMVP
Atlanta’s pass defense is ranked 31st in DVOA, 30th in YPA at 8.5. They stink out loud. If Jared Goff and co. can’t get going in this one, break out the Bacardi 151.I’m not sure how you can quantify what the addition of Khalil Mack did for the Bears defense, but it was clearly insanely positive. The hope is Jalen Ramsey can do the same. Price was undoubtedly high, but I think back on whether I’d have paid what Mack cost, and it’s an easy yes
Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Jalen Ramsey, on Rams: “I’m a young guy still. Everybody around here’s kind of young. I feel like it’ll be like a little bit more understanding.”==
Rams third round rookie RB Darrell Henderson has some serious juice – pic.twitter.com/WATXOB69vl
— Michael Kist (@MichaelKistNFL) October 17, 2019
znModeratorGetting to know Jalen Ramsey with Jags Wire: What makes him so good?
Cameron DaSilva
Getting to know Jalen Ramsey with Jags Wire: What makes him so good?
As you may have heard, the Los Angeles Rams tweaked their secondary this week by trading Marcus Peters to the Ravens and then acquiring Jalen Ramsey from the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Rams gave up a lot to get Ramsey, sending the Jaguars two first-round picks and a fourth-rounder, so the expectations are high for him in Los Angeles.
To get to know Ramsey better, we talked to Jags Wire editor James Johnson. He shared some insight on the cornerback, what makes him so good and whether his back injury is legitimate.
Is Ramsey better in man or zone coverage?
I think heâs suited to be more of a man-to-man defender. However, the Jags used more zone than man during his tenure there. Last year, they were in man 36.9 percent of their snaps, which was good for 21st in the league. Heâs voiced his displeasure for that at times and I can see why. A player with his athletic build and skills should be allowed more opportunities for one-on-ones because heâs pretty hard to beat off the line, but thatâs not to say a coordinator should completely cater to his wishes because heâs solid in zone, too. I think a team with better balance would do him justice and Wade Phillips should enjoy having Ramsey on his unit.
Whatâs the deal with his âback injury?â Was that just a way to get out of Jacksonville?
In Wednesdayâs presser, coach Doug Marrone told the media that Ramsey legitimately had a back injury. Additionally, heâs dealt with back issues behind the scenes in the past, so itâs possible he may have been dealing with an issue to some degree. However, in those instances, he played through it (and other issues) and thatâs likely where Jags fans began to grow frustrated with him. That said, the bigger question might be whether or not the injury was bad enough to keep him out if his trade request wasnât on the table.
What makes Ramsey one of the best CBs in the NFL?
Oh man, where do I start? His elite athleticism for starters. There arenât many 6-foot-1, 210-pound players who can move like he can and compete with the wide receiver position like he can, and as we all know, the receiver position consists of some of the worldâs best athletes. Simply put, he makes game-planning easier because he pretty much eliminates most of the opponents who line up in front of him with the exception of a few. He also has the ability to affect others psychologically, whether itâs his teammates or the opposition. In todayâs game, this is helpful because you need every edge you can get.
Can he play in the slot as well as outside?
I can probably count on my hands the few times heâs played in the slot in Jacksonville because itâs been that rare. He did it more so in college and that led to many fans wanting to see him do it in the pros, but for the most part, heâs played on the outside. I believe heâs more than capable of handling the slot though and has the ability to play safety, too.
Whatâs something fans should know about Ramsey?
I know this might sound clichĂ©, but he truly loves the game of football. However, I think he just expressed it in the wrong ways in Jacksonville. It seems he also wanted to love the game in a bigger market, as heâs hinted at that on occasions. Weâve seen this in the past with players like Deion Sanders, who bounced around throughout his career. Of course, if healthy heâll have a Hall of Fame career, but heâs going to have to learn how to express himself better at times, especially in a media market like Los Angelesâ. Hopefully, he doesnât let anything steer him away from the game either, which again, is what he seems to truly love.
znModeratorRams Head Coach Sean McVay, Run Game Coordinator Aaron Kromer — October 16, 2019
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Rams Head Coach Sean McVay
(On if he has an update regarding S John Johnson III)
âHeâs (S John Johnson III) going to have surgery in a couple weeks â get his shoulder fixed. When you look at it and get the opinions, itâs something that we all felt like was the best thing. Most importantly, I think thatâs whatâs best for John over the longevity of his career and how much time heâs got left. Disappointed â thatâs a big-time contribution that weâre going to miss out on. Heâs had a great season up to this point, heâs really done a nice job continuing to develop. This is a temporary set-back for him and heâll come back strong.â(On what he thinks CB Jalen Ramsey brings to the team and if heâs had a chance to speak with him)
âI spoke with him (CB Jalen Ramsey) yesterday. Excited to get him out here. Heâs in the process of finalizing just getting out here and getting going. Very exciting thing for us. Obviously, you know the caliber of player that he is â the competitiveness, the toughness. Really, all the traits that you look for in a corner, and those are some of the things that are exciting about getting him in here. Looking forward to really just getting to know the player and figuring out how heâs going to help this football team.â(On if he thinks Ramsey will be available to play on Sunday)
âThe goal is to be able to do that, but weâll be smart about it. I think that we definitely want to have the intent to get him ready to go and weâll always make smart decisions. But, yes, thatâs the goal and weâll figure out if that ends up coming to fruition or not.â(On who would start if Ramsey was not available to play)
â(CB) Darious Williams is a guy that we feel really good about. Heâs had a really good camp, did a lot of good stuff in the preseason, so he would be the next guy up.â(On what Tuesday was like for him with losing CB Marcus Peters but bringing in Ramsey)
âThatâs part of it and youâve got to be able to adjust and adapt. I think the first thing is you want to say thank you to (former Rams CB) Marcus Peters for his contribution over the last year and a half or so. Weâve gotten a good relationship and Iâve really been very appreciative of how heâs been from day one. Even just yesterday when heâs leaving and going out to Baltimore, I thought it was a great reflection of just handling things the right way. I wish him nothing but the best and Iâm a big fan of Marcus Peters and very appreciative of what heâs done for this team, for me and getting to know him. I love him and Iâm looking forward to seeing him continue to succeed for the rest of his career. Getting Jalen in here â like I said â looking forward to getting to know him. I know heâs a really good football player, has a really unique skillset. But, itâs about us getting to know him, continuing to figure out whatâs the best way to put him in the right spots and then, how does he fit with his 10 teammates? Thatâs something that weâre excited about getting going on.(On what LB Kenny Young and OL Austin Corbettâs roles will be)
âThatâs to be determined. We just got them (LB Kenny Young and OL Austin Corbett) in here. These are guys that we were familiar with â being younger players when you evaluate them in the draft â and then they have had some experience that you can draw on in the NFL. Itâs the same thing with Jalen even though heâs got more experience and heâs got more tape out there. But, really, with all three of these guys, letâs get them involved in this building, get them to know their teammates, their coaches and then ultimately try to put them in positions to succeed.â(On if he has updates on RB Todd Gurley II, RB Malcolm Brown and who will fill OL Joe Noteboomâs position on the offensive line)
âWith (RB) Todd (Gurley II), he is going to go today. Heâs going to do some individual things like that. He just took part in the walk-thru, so heâs definitely making good progress. (RB) Malcolm (Brown), weâre continuing to be day-to-day with him. Weâll rest him today, and then weâll monitor that as the week progresses. Itâs looking like weâre going to see (T) David Edwards at that guard spot.â(On if there is a conversation with the players telling them that Tuesdayâs moves are about this season as much as they are about the future of the organization)
âYeah. Itâs a production business now, while you also want to have a big-picture perspective. Thatâs part of our job, thatâs part of the role that we have. You just see how important it is to produce in the present, and thatâs what we want to be able to do. Every move that we make is in the immediate future, but also with consideration of the long-term future as well. Thatâs part of what you have to do and what the balance is and kind of how you say, âAll right, what does that look like in terms of right now and then four, five years down the line?â Those are things that we always take into consideration and definitely are part of our decision-making process.â(On what T David Edwards has shown)
âJust good, steady progress. Heâs got a comfort level with the fundamentals, the techniques. Heâs played both those spots, heâs really played both tackle spots as well. I think just the production that weâve seen from him, the way that heâs been able to grow, weâre very confident that heâll be able to step in and do a nice job.â(On getting players in now instead of the draft and if the coach always err on the side of the now)
âI would say this, as you continue to get experience, I think youâre really kind of developing your philosophy. You know what a point chart looks like and how that fits and measures up, but I think there is a kind of a gut instinct in terms of, all right, would this be something and thereâs the money element that comes into play with the salary cap and different things like that. Thatâs why weâre so fortunate to have (Owner/Chairman) Mr. (E. Stanley) Kroenke be so committed to giving us the resources necessary and so appreciative of his leadership and guidance that he provides. All those things do come into play, but really you weigh the pros and cons. You have to make those decisions and usually those are easy to kind of look at right now. A few years down the line, you can really say, âWas it the right decision or was is it not?â Itâs always easy to kind of have an opinion, but then when you look back on it after the fact and you really get a chance to evaluate the player the way that that player fit in to the team. Did it work out over the longevity considering the fact what you gave up? I think thatâs when you can really, truly evaluate it. We feel good about it, we wouldnât have done anything that we didnât feel good about and didnât think that was in the best interest for the team.â(On if he has any concerns with Ramseyâs ability to fit in with the team)
âNo, because I think you want guys with some swag, some personality, different things like that. As long as those guys love football, they love competing every single day, I think usually this is a building that I think will suit him well. We always do our due diligence in terms of the people that we value and trust that have been around him. Those are the things that have been consistent with what weâve heard. You get really good reviews back on him, weâve got a couple guys on this team that have played with him that speak very highly of him. When you do all those things, I think you feel confident to be able to make decisions that are really from educated opinions, as opposed to sometimes what the perception can be where they really know the human being day-in and day-out.â(On if T Bobby Evans will play more with the change at left guard)
â(Run Game Coordinator) Coach (Aaron) Kromer does a great job of continuing to develop those guys. I think what you do see is, you never know. Itâs one thing if youâre really cemented in one of those starting five roles. Those guys are those backups and usually youâre carrying two backups on gameday. Then, youâve got three on your roster with your 53 active. Itâs about making sure that, okay, thereâs a bunch of different situations that could arise. We canât just have guys that are one position players. You want to be able to continue to develop their depth, but (T) Bobby (Evans) is a guy that we think has a bright future whether that be at the guard or the tackle position, remains to be seen, but I do think that he can do both.â(On what Ramseyâs week look like to make sure that he is up to speed to be able to play Sunday)
âThe first thing is letâs get him in here. Letâs get him up to speed, mentally. Letâs see how heâs feeling physically. Then, itâll be an incremental build. Really, weâll do whatâs in the best interest of Jalen and our team. If he can go, if heâs feeling good with all things considered, then I think you can expect him to play. If not, then weâll make the right decision for him and the team. Those are things that until he gets in here, itâs hard to truly say. Itâll be about letâs get the mental and the physical on a slow, progressive build thatâs smart for him as the week progresses.â(On winning three games in a row and losing three games in a row and if itâs hard to look within to do something different or not)
âI think in a low of instances, you try to keep consistent with whatever the result is. Lets still look back on what are the things within each individualâs role that we can all do better. I know that thereâs an added sense of urgency when you donât get the result that you want, but you try to be consistent with that. Thatâs the thing that you love so much is that whether you won or whether you lost, you go back to work and youâve got another game to prepare for. I think thatâs what helps you bounce back and then thatâs where you canât dwell on if you do have success too long because then the next week catches up with you and youâre not ready to go. I would say, I know for me and I think a lot of our players and coaches would agree, the exciting thing is, you canât look back on what occurred already, but Iâm excited about the opportunity we have against the Falcons in Atlanta this Sunday.***
Rams Run Game Coordinator Aaron Kromer
(Opening Remarks)
âIâd like to start first just by talking about (T) Joe Noteboom. The guy put in so much work, so much sacrifice, moved positions, played left guard instead of his left tackle (position) that he was brought here to do. Right when he was really starting to get it, these last two games, he had a lot of success and was really helping our offense move forward. For him to get hurt, man, I feel for him, the family, and it hurts all of us. Of course, we get close to these guys and that just stinks for him. The season is going to go on, and there is nothing we can do about that. We have to move on and I know (Rams Head Coach) Sean (McVay) had already said that (T) David Edwards will fill in that spot. We feel highly about how fast heâs learned football. Obviously playing at Wisconsin, he has a good upbringing in college, big time football. We feel like heâs going to do the job there and we feel like itâs the best bet for us. Weâve been inconsistent as an offensive line and as an offensive unit, in general. Weâve had spurts. If you look at that first drive running it all the way down the field last week, against a good defense. Same thing at Seattle, getting some good runs, having good protection. And then, you get behind the chains or you get in a bad situation thatâs never good for an offensive lineman or a quarterback. If we can keep more efficiency and get back to the Rams offense that we know, as far as be a little bit more consistent on first down. If you donât, then be able to make up half or so on the second down if we get in a second-and-long situation. Weâve just been in disadvantage situations. Whether itâs one guy or 11 guys, whatever, it doesnât matter what it is. We are not quite there at this point.. But, we do believe we are getting there. We are excited about the opportunity to give David in there, and continue to work with this line, weâll have another couple of young backups ready for the game. We will see who it is later in the week as it goes on and we make the best decision there. All and all, obviously, weâd like the season or the offensive line, the offense to be playing better at this time. When it all comes down to it, Iâm sure Sean has already said it, itâs fundamentals and technique. Itâs everybody doing it together. Can we get the fundamentals and techniques of 11 guys, five guys in my department, to do it right at the same time in order to have success. Weâve had that, but not consistent enough to be the powerful offense that we want to be. Our daily job right now as a coach, is really, âHey, what can I do to change it?â Each person in the building, what can we do to get better?â Itâs being hard on each other, them being hard on me, me being hard on them, meaning demanding the right things. Which we do from day one, but have we done it hard enough? I donât know. We know this, we are going to continue to do it, we are going to make sure that we get better at fundamentals and techniques as a group and as a unit. Individually we havenât, but you need 11 guys to do it at one time to have success. We look forward to that opportunity, we look forward to the challenge. We havenât been in this situation, you all know that, since we been here at the Rams. As coaches or as players, weâve all been in this in the past and the best way to get out of it is to make sure you understand what you need to do, how you that need to do it, and how it helps the team.â(On T Rob Havenstein and T Andrew Whitworthâs performance over the last few games)
âLike I said prior, weâve been in situations that we havenât been in, in prior years. We havenât been down at the end of the game and have to come back as many times as we have. We havenât been down in games and had to throw the ball as many times as we did in Tampa, just to get back in the game. We didnât get in situations like San Francisco where the last drive we are trying to score twice, as opposed to once to win the game. We havenât been in these situations. Itâs a mental test for all of us, a physical test for all of us. This where the techniques in those departments, you think about is there too much pressure in those situations? And I say no. Itâs football, you do what you are supposed to do, you do it how youâre supposed to do it. And if guys do that, you go down and score. If one guy of the 11 doesnât, could be receiver, could be a quarterback, could be a half back, could be left tackle, could be left guard, could be anybody. There is a chance you make a play, but not a good chance.â(On what the plan is to integrate OL Austin Corbett into the offense)
âThatâs a good question. Coming out of college Austin, we thought was a good athlete a good college player. For whatever happened in Cleveland where he hasnât had the production that you thought, weâre excited about having him. We think heâs a big athletic guy and weâre going to try to wean him into the offense and see where he can fit and see if his athleticism fits us better than it did the Cleveland Browns. We have high hopes for him, but at this point being new and they really donât use the techniques that we do, so it will take a little bit of time I believe. Hopefully we can get him helping us sooner than later.â(On if he sees Corbett more as a guard or a center)
âI think both. I think obviously heâs athletic to play guard, but he bends well enough to play center. When we worked him out, we had him at center up at the college. He really moved down the line of scrimmage really well, he was athletic to the second level. I donât know, weâll see. We havenât had a chance to get our hands on him yet, and really had much time with him. As soon as we do, weâre going to be excited about it Iâm sure.â(On Falcons Head Coach Dan Quinn saying when you have been to the Super Bowl you get studied more and if he feels like thatâs happening)
âAnytime youâre the lead dog, people are going to be hunting you and thatâs where weâve been and everybody is hunting us. So, they are putting a lot of time into trying to stop us and our style of offense. You see the McVay descendants, if you want to call them, getting head coaching jobs around the league. They know that around the league thereâs going to be three or four of our offenses out there and they need to be able to stop them if they want to win their division or make it to the Super Bowl or whatever it is for them. There are a lot of people studying us. I still say that thereâs answers. Thereâs answers within our offense that we have and we just havenât coached or executed them well enough this year.â(On what else stood out to him about Corbett when evaluating him)
âWell, thereâs two things other than his athleticism and ability to play in college. One was his intelligence. I believe he graduated in law and he is mature. A guy thatâs married and is beyond his years maturity wise. Both of those things go well if youâre going to have a chance for success, youâre going to be focused enough to be able to do that.âOctober 17, 2019 at 1:22 am in reply to: Rams traded Marcus Peters to Ravens for LB Kenny Young #106828
znModeratorDeadpool
Young. I went back into my draft notes from 2018 and found the Rams had him in for a private visit. You only get 30, so they must have had some interest at some point in early 2018.
That led me to dig into Wade’s defense a little more, and what I found was (according to articles) is that his defense is softest in the short middle of the field. He resolved this issue by using Danny Trevathan, a 6′-0″ 235 lb. athletic LBer that can move and cover, and Brandon Marshall a 6′-1″ 242 lb linebacker with enough athletic ability to make plays sideline to sideline.
My thinking is Littleton could team up with Young in base situations and solidify the softest part of the scheme. Esp. considering the addition of Ramsey should finally let Phillips unleash his type of defense.
Ramsey should allow Wade to finally play press man and to get aggressive with his front seven, combine that with the addition of Young to be able to cover more ground then Reeder or Hager in the base defense and Rapp to continue to play that big nickel backer in passing downs and Wade’s defense might finally start clicking this year.
znModeratorThe Ramsâ trade for Jalen Ramsey was the opposite of a short-sighted move
Vincent Bonsignore
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. â Not long after completing the first of three trades that reset the Ramsâ present and future â which culminated with the arrival of Jalen Ramsey, arguably the best cornerback in football â general manager Les Snead took a moment Tuesday to gather himself before reaching for his cell phone.
The call he was about to make was obligatory, one heâs had to make more times than he cares to remember. But no matter how procedural it is, or how many times heâs closed his eyes and delivered life-altering words to a player heâs come to admire and respect, the task never gets easier.
And this call was particularly difficult, to tell Marcus Peters he was being sent to the Baltimore Ravens in a mid-season trade that materialized almost out of thin air. Peters become an organization favorite after arriving from the Kansas City Chiefs in February 2018.
âThereâs a moment where you go, âOK, I wish I wouldâve never taken this job,â because thatâs not a call you want to make,â Snead said.
It was, however, a call he had to make. And not just to personally deliver the news to Peters.
This was about putting the Rams in a better position for the long haul. That element got lost in the shuffle when people wondered if the Rams, by trading Peters and giving up two first-round picks for Ramsey â were making a short-sighted grab for an immediate reward at the expense of the future.
It was anything but that, actually. In fact, when the Rams executed the Peters trade they had no guarantee the Ramsey trade would come to fruition. They were fully prepared to move forward with young cornerbacks Troy Hill, Darious Williams and David Long Jr. filling in for Peters and injured veteran Aqib Talib.
Trading Peters certainly put the Rams in position to be real players for Ramsey. But it also created salary-cap space to address other positions. The Rams acquired linebacker Kenny Young in the Peters deal, and traded with Cleveland on Tuesday to get offensive linemen Austin Corbett, who will compete for the left guard opening created by Joe Noteboomâs season-ending knee injury. Both were tied into the Peters move.
The moves also created $3.5 million in cap room, to be used either this year or rolled over to the offseason, when the Rams expect to be players in the free-agent market. They also added a 2020 fifth-round draft pick.
The cap room, Young and that fifth-round pick were valued higher by the Rams than the 2021 compensation pick they would have received if Peters left via free agency after this season, which seemed likely.
As someone with the Rams pointed out Wednesday, if the Rams were thinking only about the short term, they would have kept Peters and simply traded for Ramsey. But they chose the future assets instead. And now they get a chance to get a long look at Williams and Long, one or both of whom likely will figure prominently in the teamâs future. Thereâs value there, a point solidified by the numerous times opposing general managers asked Snead if heâd be willing to part with either young cornerback in a trade.
By trading Peters instead, the Rams thought about the long term rather than the short term. And as hard it was emotionally for Snead to make that call, it was the right decision for the health of the organization.
âInstead of unloading maybe one of our unproven, younger corners, with interest in Marcus it might be time and best for us to move him so that he can start his next chapter and we can start ours,â is how Snead explained it.
As for Ramsey, Snead and the Rams thought far beyond just this year by sending their 2020 and 2021 first-round picks and a 2021 fourth-round pick to the Jaguars for him.
The Rams havenât lost sight of this yearâs goals, and still believe they can find the necessary remedies and make a run at the playoffs after losing three straight games to fall into third place in the NFC West. But their vision and thinking has expanded beyond the borders of this season. Taken it totality, the additions of Ramsey â the Rams have a high comfort level about signing him to a long-term contract before his current deal expires after the 2020 season â Young, Corbett, an additional draft pick and salary-cap space broaden that border.
And while two first-round picks seem like a steep price, play it out and the cost is far less than it appears. Ramsey essentially becomes the Ramsâ 2020 first-round pick, so in reality they gave up one first-round pick and a fourth-rounder to secure him. That is not a prohibitive cost.
Think of it this way: A player of Ramseyâs caliber is rarely available where the Rams hope to be drafting â late in the first round â and trading up into the top five to draft a player of his stature would cost even more than what they paid Tuesday. Another difference is, the Rams already know what they are getting in Ramsey: The best cover corner in the NFL and a perfect fit for Wade Phillipsâ 3-4 defense. No one they could have drafted in 2020 or 2021 provides that level of certainty.
âNot saying that there are not a lot of good corners out there, but since heâs been in the league, heâs shown the ability to be able to get on an island,â Snead said. âIf you look at some of the receivers heâs played against, whether it was in Pittsburgh a couple of years in the playoff run, whether it was against (Texans receiver) DeAndre Hopkins, things like that, youâve got a good subset of case studies to go watch and it was actually fun studying him. You come away very impressed with how he approaches the game in pass and in the run, tackling and covering and youâre very impressed with mom, dad and God and what they gave this kid.â
As the Rams head into the next phase of the season and beyond, they already know they will build their defense around Ramsey and lineman Aaron Donald, the best players at their respective positions in the NFL.
There is a risk, as there is no guarantee Ramsey and the Rams will come to agreement on a long-term extension. Ramsey can be under team control through the 2022 season when you factor in the franchise-tag option, which the team could utilize in 2021 and 2022. But itâs doubtful it ever gets to that point, as Ramsey now becomes a priority to re-sign to a long-term contract.
Any concern was mitigated when Snead checked in with Ramseyâs agent to articulate his vision for where he hopes the 24-year-old All-Pro fits in long-range, and to gauge interest in making this a long-term relationship. Snead made it clear that after that conversation, he was comfortable pulling the trigger on the trade.
Anything is possible, but it sure seems like this is headed toward a long, happy union.
And with the Oct. 29 NFL trade deadline still a ways off, you get the sense Snead and the Rams might not be done re-tooling.
For the future and for the present.
âIt is some interesting ideas being floated,â he said, smiling. âYou always have to assess those.â
October 17, 2019 at 12:53 am in reply to: Falcons game TV Map + question: how will the Rams do this time? #106826
znModeratorFalcons defense is inexplicably bad though they could rebound. Whether it does or not this game represents a chance for the beat-up Rams to get back on track.
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CB Jalen Ramsey said heâs âsuper, super excitedâ to be here.âI heard the culture here is dope. Canât wait to be a part of it, honestly. Canât wait to be able to be myself on and off the field, just help the organization in every way that I can.â
Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
âI know Aaron Donald is on this defense, the best player in the NFL.â â Jalen Ramseyjosinaanderson@JosinaAnderson
#Eagles player to me on Jalen Ramsey going to the #Rams: “We dropped the ball. I don’t even want to talk about that (!@#^). Everybody knew what it was going to take to get him. I could’ve told you that.”==
Tony Dungy@TonyDungy
We canât blame it all on the refs. Lack of practice time & the idea that coaching is all schemes & plays has led to a breakdown in fundamentals. Lots of procedural penalties, jerseys being grabbed & bad technique. You donât see Patriots with huge penalty numbers. Coaching mattersOctober 16, 2019 at 9:45 pm in reply to: Grading the Rams' 3 trades + NFL execs (via Sando) eval the Ramsey trade #106822
znModeratorPanic move? Brilliant gambit? Neither? NFL execs weigh in on the Ramsâ Jalen Ramsey trade
Mike Sando
https://theathletic.com/1298733/2019/10/16/jalen-ramsey-trade-rams-jaguars-nfl-execs/
The Los Angeles Rams could have conceded that their Super Bowl window had closed enough to justify turning their attention to restocking their team with young depth. How fun would that have been? Instead, they doubled down in spectacular fashion by sending two first-round picks and a fourth-rounder to the Jacksonville Jaguars for aggrieved cornerback Jalen Ramsey.
Was it a panic move? A brilliant gambit? Both? Neither?
âIâm more interested in how itâs going to work and for how long,â an NFL team exec said, âbecause sitting there and saying heâs a No. 1 corner and they can play more man coverage and put an âxâ over the No. 1 receiver, everyone knows that.â
NFL insiders offered a range of opinions and insights on the deal as the league buzzed over the trade Tuesday night. Weâll unpack the six most compelling takes here.
Take No. 1: The Ramsâ trust in Wade Phillips is captivating
Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib were first. Now, Ramsey. All three corners clashed with previous teams at various points for various reasons. The Rams delivered every one of them to defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, who seems uniquely suited for handling players who have not fit as well in other places.
âEveryone can afford to trade those picks (for Ramsey), and no one else does,â a personnel director said. âThese guys (the Rams) have an affinity for the super-high-end corner with a super-high-end set of luggage. This guyâs got Samsonites, Tumis, heâs got it all. Heâs the guy who talks in GQ Magazine in the offseason and tells you who the good quarterbacks are and heâs been in the league for 15 minutes.â
Itâs actually three-plus seasons and two Pro Bowls for Ramsey at this point. There has been no shortage of Ramsey headlines since Jacksonville picked him fifth overall in the 2016 draft.
Beyond criticizing quarterbacks, Ramsey has clashed with officials, reporters, opposing players, his head coach and the front office. He once suggested a âhomerâ field judge was âkinâ of Houston Texans receiver DeAndre Hopkins. Another time, Ramsey threatened âwarâ on reporters and was suspended by the team for a week as a result. Ramsey has called tight end Rob Gronkoswki overrated. He was once ejected along with Cincinnati Bengals receiver A.J. Green for an in-game fight. This season, a sideline confrontation with Jaguars coach Doug Marrone made waves. Ramsey later indicated the Jaguarsâ front office, headed by Tom Coughlin, had disrespected him during a meeting.
In other words, nothing the 72-year-old Phillips hasnât seen in his four decades of NFL coaching.
âThe Rams are probably thinking, âWe have a decent offense, a young head coach, we are going to have this nucleus of players together for a while,’â the personnel director said. âThey like to leverage Wade, who creates a melting pot over there. He did it in Denver, where he just takes a big blend of veterans and gets those guys to play together.â
In most cases, the Broncos and Rams had easy escape routes if they wanted to terminate relationships with players perceived as carrying elevated risks. This time, Phillipsâ team traded away two first-round picks and a fourth-rounder. The Rams are all-in on Ramsey. They were not all-in on veteran rentals such as Peters (whom they traded to Baltimore in exchange for second-year linebacker Kenny Young and a 2020 fifth-round pick), Ndamukong Suh, Talib, etc.
âWade is good when he has the good players, just like everybody, but mixing together all the veterans, that takes a special skill,â the director said. âOther guys canât do that.â
Take No. 2: Problem is, the Rams are not a corner away
Most would agree that the Rams are better after trading Peters to Baltimore earlier Tuesday and then adding Ramsey from the Jaguars.
âTaking away half the field is a good way of beating anybody,â an exec said, âbut the teams they have to beat in their division (Seattle and San Francisco) want to run the ball. And when your opponents are built to run the ball, I donât know that trading two first-round picks for a corner is the right move.â
OK, but collecting great draft picks is easier than collecting great players. Also, veterans are easier to prepare for prominent roles than rookies in this era of fewer practices. Because few appealing veterans reach free agency, trades can provide a valuable alternative.
âThe Rams are not a corner short,â this exec replied. âTeams are not throwing the ball all over the yard on them, by and large. They have a depth problem. Why do they have a depth problem? They trade away their picks.â
The Rams did not select in the first rounds of the 2017, 2018 or 2019 drafts, instead using those picks primarily for acquiring quarterback Jared Goff in 2016 and receiver Brandin Cooks via trade with the Patriots in 2018. They traded back from the 31st overall slot in the most recent draft, but still managed to select four players over the first three rounds, an effort to address depth. They rank among the NFLâs top 10 in home-grown draft choices under contract.
Can they restock their offensive line and other areas after trading away premium picks?
Take No. 3: Is this a panic move by the Rams?
The Rams paid running back Todd Gurley at the top of the market when they did not have to do so. They were also aggressive in paying Goff. Neither player is performing to that level at this point. Will they in the future? Most think Ramsey is a slam dunk from a performance standpoint, but the Rams didnât just trade for him. They paid the highest price, straight up, that any team has paid for a corner in a long time, maybe ever.
âI think it was a panic move that falls in line with some of the out-of-the-box moves they have made in the past, starting with doing Gurley two years early and resetting the market, and then continuing with $33.5 million for Goff,â an exec said. âIf this was done two weeks ago when they were 3-1, it would have made more sense, because I think there would have been more confidence in, they will get it together, they will be in the playoffs, their picks are going to be in the late 20s.â
This exec also noted that Ramseyâs agent is in âno hurryâ to get a deal done. The price could be $18 million a year or more when the time comes.
âWhat if all of a sudden he decides he wants $22-23 million and you are in camp next year and he doesnât show up?â the exec said. âEven if you are willing to pay, you need to get that taken care of so you know youâve got this guy. Right now, the Rams and Bears do not fear Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack holding out. You canât say that about Ramsey.â
This exec thought any objective analysis would concede that San Francisco and Seattle appear likely to reach the playoffs, which could leave the Rams competing with five or six relatively strong NFC teams for a wild-card spot.
âThey are looking at their team with glass half full, with some slightly rose-colored glasses, with regard to Goff and the offense, and thinking that they are going to end up winning the division when they have already lost to San Francisco and Seattle,â this exec said. âThey were not realistic, in my opinion, about the uncertainty relating to Goff. Sean McVay is still a great coach, but for whatever reason, that offense is not nearly the same as the high-flying one it has been the last two years. Ramsey doesnât change that.â
Take No. 4: The Ramsey trade differs from the Khalil Mack trade in important ways
Acquiring Mack from Oakland was relatively safe and straightforward for the Bears. They had a long-term contract worked out, and Mack had earned a reputation as an excellent teammate. Ramsey does not check those boxes as neatly, if at all.
âI want to see them get the contract done before we say too much, because I donât know if this kid is going to be happy unless you make him the highest-paid corner,â an evaluator said. âYou could have another headache coming up. Two, I donât mind trading away a couple firsts if you feel like your picks are going to be late and you get a superstar. The scary part of this trade is, you donât always hear the best stuff about Ramsey as a teammate.â
This evaluator thought the Mack trade worked out well for both the Raiders and Bears. Oakland got to rebuild under a new coach armed with long-term security. Chicago got an elite player in his prime as the Bears sought to win right away.
Ramseyâs contract situation bears watching. A fifth-year option for 2020 and up to three years of franchise tags could give the Rams longer-term control, depending on what happens with the next collective bargaining agreement, but there is a risk in giving up high draft choices for a player without a long-term deal. Top corners currently earn $15 million a year. Ramsey could have the leverage to push for much more.
âThat is not necessarily the smartest move when you are trading first-round picks,â the evaluator said, âbut when you are trying to win a Super Bowl, sometimes you have to compromise the values.â
Take No. 5: The Jaguars should come out OK, with a caveat
The Jaguars and Ramsey ideally would have entered into a long-term contract and lived happily ever after. That wasnât going to happen. Jacksonville could have done worse than getting two first-round picks and a fourth-rounder in return for player who had, by all appearances, checked out mentally and emotionally.
âJacksonville is going to make out pretty good on this thing as far as the picks go, assuming the Rams do not win a bunch of games, which I assume they will not do,â an exec said, âbut Jacksonville is going to have a culture problem going forward. Any player who wants out of there can get out of there. It wonât be hard.â
Adding the two first-round picks gives the Jaguars options as they continue to evaluate quarterbacks Gardner Minshew and Nick Foles.
âIâd trade Ramsey for two ones and a four if he didnât want to be there, wouldnât you?â another exec said. âYou might have a quarterback you like, which is important. You are starting to make progress. Four ones in the next two years, thatâs pretty sweet. If you wind up really liking the kid (Minshew), maybe you trade Foles next year.â
Take No. 6: Ramsey is a great talent, but is he a great corner?
There have been Ramsey skeptics over the years. A general manager consulted before the 2016 draft said he thought Ramseyâs combine workout was more impressive than his actual cornerback play. Another GM consulted at that time questioned whether Ramsey took away the ball frequently enough to merit a top-five selection (Ramsey has 10 interceptions in 54 NFL games, counting playoffs).
A majority of evaluators consulted in recent months thought Ramsey was the NFLâs top corner, with Stephon Gilmore and Marshon Lattimore also receiving mention. But an evaluator who rated Ramsey as the NFLâs best corner two years ago called the Ramsâ acquisition of him a mistake at the price required to get the deal done.
âHe can only play press or man,â this evaluator said. âAny type of combo coverage or zone, he seems to struggle with the concepts. Deion Sanders, he did not tackle, he made business decisions, but he knew coverages and how to play corner. This kid (Ramsey) is extremely talented but doesnât know how to play corner in that way.â
Even so, a GM consulted last week called Ramsey âthe best corner in the league when he is on and playing.â A longtime exec thought the New England Patriotsâ signing of Gilmore two years ago showed the value an elite corner offers when used correctly.
Nineteen months have passed since the Rams acquired Peters and a sixth-round pick from Kansas City for second- and fourth-round choices. Peters, a veteran of 74 regular-season and playoff games, was known for a ball-hawking style predicated on off-coverage. He intercepted 14 passes in his first 25 games, eight in his next 25 games and four over his 24 most recent games. Those diminishing returns could have precipitated his departure Tuesday.
The Rams are now betting they can get much more from a different kind of corner in Ramsey. This time, the stakes are much higher.
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Jared Goff on Jalen Ramsey calling him “average to above average” in his famous GQ interview last year. “In relation to what he was calling a lot of people, that wasn’t half bad… That’s part of Jalen’s attitude and it doesn’t bother me one bit.”Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
#Rams Todd Gurley was officially listed as “limited” for Wednesday’s practice.Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Rams CB Troy Hill on potentially playing alongside Jalen Ramsey: “Itâs going to be exciting. Thatâs a lock-down corner, so youâve got to expect to get a lot of action on the other side.â—
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October 16, 2019 at 8:44 pm in reply to: Grading the Rams' 3 trades + NFL execs (via Sando) eval the Ramsey trade #106817
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znModeratorRams General Manager Les Snead – October 16, 2019
(Opening Remarks)
âIâll start with our first trade that we made with Cleveland in (OL) Austin Corbett. It starts with our draft prep in the 2018 draft. We liked him coming out, I know we sent (Run Game Coordinator) Aaron Kromer to go work him out, visit with him privately. Then he goes through his rookie season and thereâs a regime change there where (Browns General Manager) John (Dorsey) is still there and (Browns Head Coach) Freddie (Kitchens) gets promoted from offensive coordinator to head coach, but a new offensive line coach comes in. Iâm actually just discussing some things with John that have nothing to do with Austin. But, he did mention â because of our (T Joe) Noteboom injury â âHey, would you have an interest in Austin?â So thatâs how some of those things come into fruition. We were going to put âNoteâ (T Joe Noteboom) on âIRâ (injured reserve), unfortunately, and we had a spot at âOL.â Thatâs someone we appreciated the versatility coming out and said, âHey, letâs try to work something out.â It takes a little bit of 2018 draft prep, it takes an unfortunate injury to âNoteâ and it leads to that.Letâs get to the two other trades that â poor Austin Corbett, nobodyâs here to probably talk about Austin, even though he was the No. 33rd in that â18 draft. Iâll go back to the â19 draft of where â if we go again, a telescopic view of how this happens and some context. We did know coming into that draft that, from our corner situation, we had two unrestricted free agents. We didnât know in that draft there was a subset of corners that were quality players that we liked, subjectively. Again, you always say time will tell. Thereâs a projection element and then thereâs a development element. Then, youâve got to live up to the projection, per se. We were predicting that where we were drafting, based probably a lot on the quality of some of the front seven players in last yearâs draft â again, thatâs the right appeal. But, you felt like when we went to pick, at some point, there was going to be a corner available that we liked and might be wise to, again, add young, youth based on the uncertainty of going into the season with two players that are unrestricted free agents. Then, interestingly, we get to preseason â a lot of these calls begin occurring even in the preseason because we had, again, three proven players, three players that we ended up keeping that had really good preseasons. One player that we cut, actually, was claimed, so we ended up keeping six â letâs call it â younger players, with little less proven because of, again, that uncertainty with this corner situation. The calls probably began at the preseason, âHey, would you release one of those or trade one of those younger players?â Again, this is all building up to where it ended yesterday. Those teams have always felt like our corner situation was somewhat strong â or at least deep â whether it was an unproven player or a veteran player.
Hereâs how it unfolded again with (former Rams CB) Marcus (Peters). Iâll start with this with Marcus â any time youâre a âGMâ (general manager) and you call a player like him and tell him that youâre trading him, you actually walk down the hall and thereâs a moment where you go, âOkay, I wish I wouldâve never taken this jobâ because thatâs not a call you want to make. Unbelievable how Marcus handled it â extreme professionalism. He was in downtown L.A. and I said, âHey, I know a lot of people here would like to say goodbye, starting with (Head Coach) Sean (McVay) and your coaches. I understand and respect your emotions. If youâd like to maybe just get on a plane and move on to the next chapter.â He said, âYou know what, Iâm going to get up there a little bit later and say goodbye.â I can tell you this about Marcus Peters â heâs one of the most authentic human beings Iâve ever met. Heâs going to continue making impacts both on the field and off the field. Nothing but respect for that human being. Itâs always tough and Iâm pulling for him. In this whole determination as you go through â again, starting with last yearâs draft, all the things that we have to do from a telescopic standpoint of figuring out the present and the future â was that we might not be able to give him a second contract. Instead of unloading maybe one of our unproven, younger corners, with interest in Marcus it might be time and best for us to move him so that he can start his next chapter and we can start ours.
Somewhere even before this all started, obviously, (Rams CB) Jalen Ramseyâs situation became apparent that he didnât want to be a Jaguar. If you have teenagers in the room â I remember when it first came out. My teenagers kind of like to get into that type of scenario. I remember watching the Thursday night game and they were all in there. I believe it was against Tennessee and he had this really good game and I told the kids, âWell, not getting Jalen Ramsey.â But, they were taking it like, âWait I minute, he played really good â thatâs pretty cool.â The narrative after that game is no way the Jags should trade Jalen Ramsey and things like that. I knew (Jaguars General Manager) Dave (Caldwell) and I â any time an opportunity presents itself, as an organization, youâve got to determine, âHey, should we seize that opportunity? Is it the right time for us? Is it a better time for someone else?â You always reach out and keep tabs. Dave and I have a long working relationship, so that always helps. Ultimately, when we were able to move Marcus and, letâs call it, increase our salary cap room because of that move, it did actually make us a viable player in trading for Jalen Ramsey. So thatâs a little bit how the day started. It didnât just happen yesterday morning, it probably started in the 2019 draft and probably even in â18, that led in to 2019. We liked (Rams CB) Darious Williams in the draft. Didnât draft him, tried to get him as a college free agent, failed there. He was cut sometime early into the â19 season and we claimed him and added him for depth because youâre always trying to add players. Itâs a combination of what they did in college and what theyâre doing in the NFL. With that being said, thatâs a telescopic context, not made for TV explanation of how yesterday went and how it ended.â
(On if this season opened his eyes and made him look further down the line to start thinking about the future)
âAs a general manager, itâs different, right. Sean and I have two very different jobs. Heâs dialed in on the microscopic right now, heâs dialed in on preparing for the Atlanta Falcons. I think, as a general manager, youâre always trying to analyze, figure out, along with collaboration with many staff members. Okay, hereâs what tomorrow looks like and thatâs as simple as an injury to Joesph Noteboom, an injury to John Johnson that is unexpected, but expected in that you always know that any team, not just us, is going to get bad luck. And then, there is that element of telescopic look of, okay, hereâs whatâs coming, are we going to address situations by resigning players that are on their last contract? Or if we donât resign, are we going to fill that need from within or hole from within? Can it be addressed in the trade, free agency? All of that takes preparation in August, September, October, November. The difference is, you canât necessarily look at just one game, letâs call it a negative result of one game and now thatâs the reason you make a decision. Thatâs what we do in probably in front offices, but is more of a cumulative approach.â(On what goes into calculating if a trade is worth giving up a first-round pick)
âThatâs a really good question, interesting formula. If you look at how weâre done it in the past. What we try to do here is, how to maximize, how to utilize the methods to acquire the best players for the Rams at a specific moment, in a specific situation. By that I mean, there is a difference in a first rounder and a fourth rounder, or even a fourth rounder and a seventh rounder. Youâve got be realistic, there is even a difference right whether you claim someone at the cutdown because youâre claiming someone who actually didnât make a 53 (man roster) versus claiming someone during the season because theyâve actually made a 53 (man roster). How do you maximize the methods that we are able to acquire the best players? Obviously, draft picks being a very key component in that. We look at our formulas as this, weâve done it in the past. Depending on the phase of where youâre at, how many core players you have and things like that. Are we building? Are we close to breaking through? Have we broken through? Are we contending? If we are contending, how do we keep contending? Consistency is the most important thing. I think those stages come in to play and youâre always going to ask yourself the question of, is it best to utilize draft picks to either move up and get who you actually, you obviously would assume would be a player with high potential or a higher projection, but again itâs still a projection, or are you going to use your picks to move back, acquire more picks to again, continue to acquiring players that still has a projection element to them and youâve got to develop them or are you going to use them with players whoâve either proven their projection, more know commodities? Really good calculus formula, thatâs really the basis of how we go about doing it.â(On if he had a chance to talk to Ramsey and his agent before the trade)
âWe actually did do that once. Once we came to a handshake agreement, we did let Jacksonville know we would like to, not necessarily talk to Jalen, again thatâs all part of the process, but to talk to his representatives and give our long-term view and get his thatâs definitely part of the conversation, these type of moves.â(On if everyone liked Ramsey)
âYes, Definitely.â(On if he anticipates Ramsey will get a contract extension next season and if there is a timeline on it)
âNo, no timeline on that. We did put a timeline a little bit in place with it. I donât want to give to many details on that. Again, we are just meeting Jalen today. Obviously. He to date, has earned a chance to probably giet a nice contract for the job he does and the position he plays.â(On how itâs different than when trading for Peters and decided not to extend him)
âI think the biggest difference is two different players, that would be the biggest difference. Ultimately, there is going to be similarities in that situation as we finish this season and go through the next season, see where we are at as a team, how the defense is playing, things like that. What pieces do we need, I call, make pillars for, a little bit longer haul?â(On if Ramsey will play this Sundayâs matchup against the Falcons)
âHereâs whatâs interesting, donât know how much he has been doing. our athletic performance group has talked with the Jacksonville Jaguars. He is interesting. Weâve got to get him here and assess and analyze, okay, wait a minute, heâs flying from. Jacksonville to L.A. today, flying back to Atlanta on Friday. Then we will spend time in Atlanta and fly to London on Thursday. Weâve got to be very intentional on how we utilize him. Atlanta and then what that does for the London game with Cincinnati, especially considering the travel. Thatâs to be determined. Again, thatâs another calculus equation. Weâll let (Rams Senior Director, Sports Medicine and Performance) Reggie (Scott) and (Rams Director of Strength Training and Performance) Ted (Rath), and their crew. I told them today, âHey, Iâm sure you will give us a very intelligent and wise assessment.ââ(On never shying away from getting outspoken players with big personalities as long as they are of the caliber and how comfortable he is with Ramsey being able to fit to the Ramsâ framework)
âVery comfortable. One of the assessments of that is when you do research on them, you realize â first thing I want to know is do the love football? Is this the chapter they are focused on and do they love winning? Ultimately, weâre all going to go through some situations that youâre going to have some outbursts, but a lot of times with the research, it was maybe because of a loss or a bad play or things like that. These are young kids, so they donât have the emotional intelligence that Iâve acquired, but didnât have probably at Jalenâs age.(On if he anticipates OL Austin Corbett taking over a starting role or if he will be in more of a backup role)
âRight now, we will fill our starting role from within. Iâll let Sean discuss that. I know thereâs definitely a plan there and Austin doesnât know the system. I think right now, heâs a player we would have potentially drafted and I think we would look at him as getting that player a year later. At that point, itâs on us and himself to learn the system and teach the system and develop more.â(On what makes Ramsey unique as a cornerback in this league to invest that much in him)
âItâs been probably well said since we did the trade. His positives is he has a skillset. My teenagers asked me, thereâs an element of mom, dad, God gave him length, right. So, when you have length, you can get your hands on people at the line of scrimmage that some people canât just because mom, dad, God didnât give them the length of other players. He can run, mom, dad, God gifted him with agility and then short-air quickness. Iâm pretty sure, a level of confidence that, yeah, put me over there on the best player and Iâll do my best to slow him down for the day. Thereâs only a few players like that. He happens to be one of them. Not saying that there are not a lot of good corners out there, but since heâs been in the league, heâs shown the ability to be able to get on an island. If you look at some of the receivers heâs played against, whether it was in Pittsburgh a couple of years in the playoff run, whether it was against (Texans WR) DeAndre Hopkins, things like that. Youâve got a good subset of case studies to go watch and it was actually fun studying him. You come away very impressed with how he approaches the game in pass and in the run, tackling and covering and youâre very impressed with mom, dad and God and what they gave this kid.â(On what gave them the motivation to pull the trades off yesterday)
âYesterday, Austin Corbett was the injury to Joseph and then, teams have been connecting with me on corners for a while now. Again, it was really, probably attacking some of the guys who werenât playing. And then, there was an element of would you ever do this guy? We probably had some stipulations on Marcus because (he was) very influential in our building. We liked him. If I gave the details, which I normally donât, would be some teams said, âWell, would you take on some of his salary?â It was an easy no in that. We respect Marcus so much that thereâs no way weâre going to make a phone call and say, âHey, weâre trading you, but oh by the way, weâd like for you to renegotiate our contract, so you can help us go out the door.â Couple of teams eventually with needs said that they would do it. Then, it became okay do we do this? You have to sit down and again, self-assess, think about the now, think about the future. Once we came to conclusion that it could be the best thing for Marcus and the Rams and I always say the Rams first and Marcus because thatâs the way it goes unfortunately sometimes. Then, that did open the door for our ability to acquire Jalen. The course said that it was probably really good timing. This might not have been able to happen had he had a bad Thursday night game and they traded him the next day.â(On if Young was also a player that he liked)
âYeah, he was right down the street. With weâre pretty thin at linebacker and we knew that he can run. It was interesting as your talking through (CB) Marcus (Peters) thing that they brought him up and how you act is that as Iâm talking to (Ravens General Manager) Eric (DeCosta), their general manager, I knew we had liked him in college. We had some affinity for what he could do in college because he was right down the road. I knew he had started a good bit of games, so we call it âblue man.â I can punch blue man and filter out his plays and I got (Director, Pro Scouting) Ray Agnew, âHey, run down and see if (Special Teams Coordinator) Coach (John) Fassel would appreciate him.â Again, because of the (LB) Bryce Hager injury a couple of weeks ago, we had been talking about, âWhat if he canât go, do we need to get a linebacker?â It was nice timing on Kenny as well.â(On if there was a risk when trading Peters and not yet having secured Ramsey or if he had a good sense that Ramsey would be coming to the Rams)
âObviously, Sean and I talk a lot more about these big picture, telescopic situations more than with the assistant coaches, but I do know that I sat down with (Defensive Coordinator) Coach (Wade) Phillips, with (Cornerbacks Coach) Aubrey (Pleasant), with (Safeties) Coach âEâ (Ejiro Evero) â defensive backs staff and we talked through the scenarios. You did have to talk through playing the rest of the season, playing (Falcons WR) Julio Jones and (Falcons WR Calvin) Ridly without Marcus and with who we have if this couldnât happen because nothingâs certain. Especially in situations like that.â(On getting to the point where he liked what he heard from the questions he asked)
âWell, the neat thing is weâve got a backup quarterback that you can just walk right down the hall and have a conversation with him, so that helps. Itâs more than that. It goes back to what we did on him coming out, and you do that on every player even though that year is when we traded up for (QB) Jared (Goff), so you know youâre not getting a Jalen Ramsey or you really would have thought we were nuts if we did all that and picked a corner. You still do your do diligence then. You still have people that are connected to him that started back then and you continue doing the vetting process.â(On getting LB Dante Fowler in addition to Blake Bortles)
âWe got Dante, we have Jacque McClendon director of player engagement. Thereâs a lot of Jacksonville ties here.â(On the stage of the CB Marcus Peters deal and where he was with CB Jalen Ramsey and if it was a gamble)
âYou have to take those separately, you have to discuss Marcus Peters without the insurance of Jalen. That had to be done, thatâs the only way to do it because thereâs no certainty.â(On there not being certainty, but was he confident that he would be able to get Jalen Ramsey)
âWhat I did know is the intel that I had from Dave was it could be time for them to move, versus a week or two ago they were holding pat and were going to keep him. Thatâs what I knew is there was a possibility to do that. That was the only piece of evidence. Iâm well aware there were a few other teams involved and again itâs a market and itâs competitive. So, can you actually beat those teams? If they were willing to trade. I did have enough discussions with Dave that the timing could be right to make the move.â(On Owner Stan Kroenkeâs feedback during these discussion)
âYou definitely got to take these to him. They were at the owners meeting him and (COO) Kevin (Demoff). You talk through very similar how I opened it. Heâs been aware of some of this from the beginning in terms of itâs not just a one-day discussion. Itâs okay we do have uncertainty there, are we going to re-sign anyone that we have? If not, how are we going to approach not necessarily â19 but at that point weâre at â20 is it via the draft, is it via the trade, via free agency? If you didnât re-sign anyone you knew youâre either going to go from within or figure it out from there. It wasnât like we just sprung it on him.â(On the decision to trade first round pick and related to confidence in the teams young offensive linemen)
âI think the answerâs yes. Anytime you draft a player whether it was â19,â18, â17 or even next yearâs draft and they donât have experience at whatever position they are there is going to be an element where you have to get the individual experience and obviously the collective group, position group that theyâre a part of experience playing together. Anytime you draft someone that is the goal. Like we acquired (OL) Austin Corbett, going back to the original paradigm, thereâs methods to acquire players and you try to acquire the best players for the Rams. Specific positions at specific times.â(On how this effects how aggressive they might be going into the trade deadline)
âYouâre asking a lot (laughs). I do think it does affect okay thereâs not a lot more we could probably do. I think when you get a reputation that youâre willing to make moves⊠two people do make cold calls, right? It is some interesting ideas being floated. You always have to assess those.â(On his overall assessment of where the team is now)
âI think I answer it â we won three straight, we lost three straight. Because of regency bias, three straight losses you kind of feel those more than the three straight wins. Ultimately, thatâs the past, itâs occurred, itâs our reality, it happened. Depending on what record you had in the first six games it shouldnât affect the next 10 â itâs up to us. Letâs call it âmake the math work in our favor or where you want it to beâ. Itâs not happening today. We canât increase a win or get another win in that category today. We canât do it at 1 pm on Sunday, probably going to happen around 4 pm on Sunday. The key being this thereâs a lot of things we can do, that we can control, to prepare to play a role against the Falcons and then go from there.â
znModeratorJoe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Sean McVay says “the goal” is to get Jalen Ramsey ready to play on Sunday in Atlanta, “but well be smart about it.” Says Darious Williams would start if Ramsey is not able to go. @CVRamsClub @DowntownRams @usatodaynflLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Jalen Ramsey will wear No. 20 for the Rams. Troy Hill will go from No. 20 to No. 22.
znModeratorJalen Ramsey is "overjoyed" to have been dealt to the Rams https://t.co/cy6tbgE9nC
— The MMQB (@theMMQB) October 16, 2019
znModeratorRams G.M. Les Snead says there's no timeline on a new deal for CB Jalen Ramsey before backtracking and then saying he doesn't want to say too much https://t.co/bEQywUSaAT
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) October 16, 2019
znModeratorOn This Date: 13 years ago today, Dennis Green declared the Bears "are who we thought they were." pic.twitter.com/c1LUefUCZJ
— NFL on ESPN (@ESPNNFL) October 16, 2019
znModerator#LARams LIVE: Aaron Kromer Press Conference https://t.co/LRzrsjBAWK
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) October 16, 2019
znModeratorTodd Gurley back at practice. pic.twitter.com/vDCS7HAt68
— Gary Klein (@LATimesklein) October 16, 2019
znModeratorVincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
#Rams G.M. Les Snead said he took a moment, right before calling Marcus Peters to tell him he’d been traded, to gather himself and actually wonder why he ever became a general manager. It was a hard call to a player he and everyone in the building truly admiredAlso on Les Snead: In discussing scenarios/possibilites the would result from trading Marcus Peters with the coaching staff, the possibility of playing the rest of the year with Troy Hill/D. Williams/D. Long and eventually A. Talib at CB was discussed.
Aaron Schatz@FO_ASchatz
The Rams will now have the best defensive player in the game AND one of the top three cornerbacks. If they’re not one of the top 2-3 defenses the rest of the year, it makes a real statement about the limited value a single defensive player can have.Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Run-game coordinator Aaron Kromer said the Rams liked Austin Corbett’s size and athleticism coming out of college. Says it will take some time to get him ready to play for the Rams. “We’ll see if his athleticism fits us better than it fit the Cleveland Browns.”Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
Snead said Marcus Peters handled the trade with great professionalism. Peters made it a point to go back to the facility and say goodbye to his teammates and coaches.—
No Aqib Talib, no Marcus Peters, no John Johnson. And no Jalen Ramsey…yet. This is a different looking secondary group. pic.twitter.com/ZVHuQWUyo3
— Gary Klein (@LATimesklein) October 16, 2019
znModeratorI expect to see a good amount of this type of stuff from the Rams now with Jalen Ramsey in the fray. Lined up at LCB. Single-high safety shaded away from him, and he just abuses Antonio Brown throughout the entire route pic.twitter.com/VyHBAUbbfu
— Sosa K (@QBsMVP) October 16, 2019
October 16, 2019 at 6:25 pm in reply to: Rams traded Marcus Peters to Ravens for LB Kenny Young #106802
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Young is perfect for us.
He’s a gap shooting sideline to sideline LB that arrives angry and can cover. And he’s almost as fast as Littleton. 36 vert and a 4.59 or 4.6 flat 40.I loved him at UCLA. Preferred him over Kiser.
October 16, 2019 at 6:22 pm in reply to: Grading the Rams' 3 trades + NFL execs (via Sando) eval the Ramsey trade #106801
znModeratorOctober 16, 2019 at 6:21 pm in reply to: Grading the Rams' 3 trades + NFL execs (via Sando) eval the Ramsey trade #106800
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