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znModeratorIn Teller County, #Colorado, following a Facebook post by the Sheriff's office directed against a car caravan in support of ICE detainees, armed Trump supporters attacked the protesters in full view of law enforcement. No arrests were made. Report coming. pic.twitter.com/8oxBHbVtKj
— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) July 22, 2020
znModeratorBy 25 Swedish doctors and scientists: Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb #COVID19. Don't do what we did. It's not working. https://t.co/2Meqlii1mc via @usatoday @usatodayopinion
— Jill Lawrence (@JillDLawrence) July 21, 2020
July 22, 2020 at 1:07 am in reply to: the virus & the education industry (ie. what should schools do) #118225
znModeratorOMG They dont even try to hide their hypocrisy anymore
Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) wants schools to open in the fall, but told Fox News his grandchildren won’t be in them.
“My daughters are going to be more focused on distance learning right now to make sure their children are safe"
— stuart (@stuhunter1) July 21, 2020
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znModeratorJuly 21, 2020 at 7:58 pm in reply to: For those contemplating sitting out November elections #118220
znModeratorThanks for the post W. My bet is that people will not be skipping this election.

znModerator@RamsNFL DL @AyyyeeeMoFox working a Long Arm/Fork lift getting tuned up for camp next week & trust he’s more than ready || @dlinevids1 🏠: @Futureeliteacad pic.twitter.com/YmPcEIg753
— Coach Ed (@DLcoachEd) July 21, 2020
znModeratorAlbert Breer@AlbertBreer
NFLPA’s Don Davis conceded to the players on a call tonight: “The undrafted rookie free agent is probably in the toughest spot. There’s no preseason games. The league has said they’re gonna bring 80 into camp.”Davis said NFL doesn’t want UDFAs eligible for stipends, either.
(And UDFAs’ eligibility for stipends, to be clear, remains an open piece of negotiation between the league and union as a result.)
Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
If the NFL is preparing for camp rosters to limit to 80 players, that is rough for the Rams, who have 89 on their roster at last count. Nine guys will be told not to show up – or, perhaps teams will plan for some players to still be in the area in case of illness to others.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
The Rams also said in their released memo that they expect the NFL to cancel the preseason.The team is hopeful for fans to be present when hosting Dallas on Sept. 13 and asked fans to “please join them in wearing a mask to help stop the spread of COVID-19.”
znModeratorCBS Sports HQ@CBSSportsHQ
NFL implications from zero preseason games:
• Major cap implications in future years
• Rosters have to be cut to 80
• No games to showcase skills for guys on the roster bubbleTom Pelissero@TomPelissero
What does “general agreement” mean on opt-out and stipend? Details are still being finalized (i.e. who qualifies as high risk, how much they’re paid, etc.), but the NFL and NFLPA have agreed on the concept. Those will exist.Jim Trotter@JimTrotter_NFL
One thing being negotiated under high-risk opt-out is # of categories a player would have to meet under CDC guidelines to be eligible for stipend. NFLPA is arguing for one (including cancer, obesity, diabetes, chronic kidney disease, sickle cell), but no agreement, I’m told.
znModeratorLA Rams announced limited or no seating for 2020 season, guidelines for attending games if they do eventually allow in some fans; suggest there is indeed probably no preseason and SoFi debut now set for 9/13 vs Cowboys https://t.co/Z4z0A3o3Sn
— TurfShowTimes (@TurfShowTimes) July 21, 2020
znModeratorI’m a US Marine. I’ve served this Nation with my life so I know a thing or two about respect for Country. But to keep calling out players for kneeling during National Anthem when you very well know they are doing so to raise awareness for racial injustice is straight disingenuous https://t.co/7yqf88UdEJ
— MuslimMarine (@mansoortshams) July 21, 2020
znModeratorI disagree with the WR group. We are still top 5 overall.
How does he rank our CBs? If he predicts it truthfully, we should probably be ranked 30-32 best. Outside of Jalen Ramsey, it is not real good.
Jack it’s one of the best CB units in the league.
Hill played well and is ranked high. When Williams got on the field last year he played well. Long still has a lot of promise and has looked good.
They actually traded away 2 starting CBs during the season, and then because of low-key injuries had to replace both Hill and Ramsey late in the season, and still played well.
That’s completely unheard of.
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znModeratorNFL agrees to eliminate preseason, reaches deal with union on coronavirus testing
The NFL’s offer Monday of zero preseason games was accompanied by other player-friendly provisions.The NFL on Monday agreed with its players’ union on a novel-coronavirus-testing program for players while offering to eliminate the preseason as the union has sought. The moves to resolve the key remaining issues between the two sides came as rookies for the Kansas City Chiefs and Houston Texans reported to their training camps.
The league’s concessions on the preseason and daily testing of players, at least at the outset of training camps, increased the likelihood that all teams’ camps will open fully by July 28 as scheduled. The NFL previously had cut the preseason from four games per team to two games per team and was planning for testing every other day. But the NFL Players Association had been adamant about daily testing for players and no preseason at all.
The NFL’s offer Monday of zero preseason games was accompanied by other player-friendly provisions. The acclimation period for veteran players arriving at training camps was increased from seven days to 18 days before they must start practicing, and any player is allowed to opt out of playing this season, according to a person familiar with the deliberations.
Under the testing agreement, players will be tested daily for the first two weeks of training camp. Daily testing will continue as long as the rate of positive tests of players, coaches and other team staffers is above 5%. If the rate falls below 5%, players will be tested every other day. The league expects to receive test results within 24 hours.
“I think that this latest agreement with testing protocols between the league and the Players Association reflects a continuation of the collaborative work that we’ve been doing,” said Allen Sills, the NFL’s chief medical officer. “We’ve had other protocols around treatment for new positive cases, around facilities, around travel, around education, around screening. So we’ve continued this work and it’s, again, reflecting a number of months of work that really began back in March.”
The NFLPA said in a written statement: “Our union has been pushing for the strongest testing, tracing and treatment protocols to keep our players safe. The testing protocols we agreed to are one critical factor that will help us return to work safely and gives us the best chance to play and finish the season.”
Sills also said the league plans to use tracking devices to trace people’s contact as part of its measures to attempt to limit spread of the virus within team facilities.
The arrivals Monday of the rookies for the Chiefs and the Texans, the two teams scheduled to meet in the NFL’s season-opening game Sept. 10 in Kansas City, Mo., amounted to a first step by the league toward opening teams’ training camps on time. Rookies for other teams are scheduled to report to their camps Tuesday, though some teams were postponing those arrivals.
The Texans said through a spokesperson that their rookies were undergoing coronavirus testing Monday by the firm BioReference Laboratories at an on-site testing facility outside the team’s stadium in Houston. The rookies had no other team-related activities planned for Monday, according to the spokesperson.
Many players, including star quarterbacks Patrick Mahomes of the Chiefs and Russell Wilson of the Seattle Seahawks, had taken to social media Sunday to question the league’s approach to opening training camps amid the pandemic.
The league and the union have agreed to all the necessary health protocols and, with the league’s latest offer Monday, appear close to resolving all the remaining noneconomic issues such as the structure of teams’ training camps and the opt-out rules. The major issue left for the two sides to resolve is economic: how to deal with a potential drop in revenue this season and what such a decrease would mean to the 2021 salary cap.
It was not immediately clear whether the league’s new offer for no preseason games and a longer acclimation period for veteran players was tied to specific economic provisions. The two sides have differed sharply to this point on how to keep a significant decrease in revenue this year from causing next year’s cap to plummet.
Sills confirmed that he had approved all 32 teams’ Infectious Disease Emergency Response (IDER) plans. The NFLPA’s ratification is pending for many teams’ plans.
“Everything that we’re doing is centered around the concept of risk mitigation,” Sills said in a conference call with reporters. “We know that we can’t eliminate risk. But we’re trying to mitigate it as much as possible for everyone. . . . I think that these protocols are very much living and breathing documents, which means that they will change.”
The NFL previously sent treatment protocols to teams for dealing with positive coronavirus tests. Sills declined to specify how many positive tests would dictate shutting down a team or the league, saying those issues must be discussed with the union and public health authorities. A player will be required to have two negative tests 72 hours apart after reporting to training camp before being permitted to enter a team’s facility.
Team owners spoke by video conference Monday afternoon. It was their second remote meeting since Friday as the league tries to keep training camps and the season on schedule. For most teams, that means rookies reporting Tuesday, quarterbacks and injured players reporting Thursday, and all other players reporting July 28. Individual teams can adjust reporting dates later but not earlier. Team doctors told NFLPA representatives Thursday they believe camps can be opened safely even in coronavirus “hot spot” cities.
Los Angeles Rams Coach Sean McVay told the “Helliepod” podcast before the deal on testing was announced that he suspected a delay remained possible.
“Usually when you get about a week out – and right now that’s exactly where we’re at – you start to get revved up, get excited . . . when you’re getting ready to kick off training camp and the preseason,” McVay said. “And there’s something about this time that you know the amount of things that have to take place for that to logistically get off and get going – something about it tells me maybe there’s a chance that things get moved back.”
znModeratorEvery morning this really good boy bounces out the door with a breakfast carrot for his best buddy.
Dogs, bruh…pic.twitter.com/Li8Zdogalk
— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) July 21, 2020
znModeratorAgain (broken record here): paying elite QB contracts does not hamstring teams to field contenders. This does. https://t.co/lRfr7XRfpp
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) July 21, 2020
znModeratorRams Brothers@RamsBrothers
A lot of talk centered around the Rams’ 32nd ranked linebacker unit. Wade ran a one-gap 3-4 system, which is built to take pressure off of your LB’s.It allowed iLB’s like Littleton to focus on coverage and allowed players like Donald to attack immediately.
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znModeratorIan Rapoport@RapSheet
What would training camp be like under the NFL’s latest ramp-up proposal?
— Testing & physicals for 5-6 days
— Strength & conditioning plus walk-throughs thru Day 12.
— Off Day 13
— Ramp up with helmets through Day 18
— Off Day 19
— On the 20th day, the pads go on.
So, different.
znModeratorIn their two-part negotiation it appears the NFL and NFLPA got the ‘easy part’ done, the health and safety protocols. Now comes the hard part, the economics. Translation: the owners will try to make the players feel their pain.
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) July 21, 2020
znModeratorRe-Living ‘99: Before he began an NFL-record 6 straight seasons of 1300+ rec yards, Torry Holt was a rookie just hoping to not screw up the unexpected and phenomenal success the Rams were having. Then he started to contribute. https://t.co/B7qHPVoaJH
— TurfShowTimes (@TurfShowTimes) July 20, 2020
znModeratorAdam Schefter@AdamSchefter
NFL offered the NFLPA today to play zero preseason games this summer, per source.Judy Battista@judybattista
As an owner told me last week when I asked if they needed one game for roster evaluation and game day run through: “We can manage.”Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
This is smart, but also crushing for lesser-known guys fighting to make teams. NFL should just expand rostersThis would also be bad for the Rams in the sense that Brandon Staley will have zero games to practice calling plays, something he’s never done in the NFL
Andrew Siciliano@AndrewSiciliano
I’m going to miss the preseason.Yes, I said it. Yes, I mean it.
I’ve had so much fun calling @RamsNFL preseason games since 2011. I was looking forward to that first one at @SoFiStadium
Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
I feel awful for all late round and UDFA rookies. Almost no chance to make the team. 14 real practices and no preseason games. Teams will choose veterans over them for this season.
znModeratorSam Farmer@LATimesfarmer
Hearing the NFL has budged on a lot more than daily testing. League is offering 0 preseason games, and expanding the acclimation period (no hitting) from seven to 18 days. NFLPA has yet to agree. Seems this is all coming down to financials.
znModeratorSam Monson@PFF_Sam
Marc Bulger was so good for a while before the OL falling to pieces ruined him.
znModeratorProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalk
There’s an agreement between the NFL and NFLPA to conduct daily COVID-19 testing, per source with knowledge of situation. The players had pushed very hard for it.Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
The final testing protocol agreed to by the NFL and NFLPA extends the initial screening timeline, I’m told:Players will be tested on Days 1 and 4 of camp, with two days of remote education in between. Waiting another day helps make sure to capture the virus as it incubates.
The NFL and NFLPA agreed to daily COVID-19 testing for the first 2 weeks of camp, after which they’ll look at positivity rates. If the rate drops below 5% for players and Tier 1/Tier 2 individuals, they’ll move to every other day. Important deal as talks continue on other issues.
Players will need multiple negative tests before they’re allowed to be in the building for physicals or team activities. That’s a lesson the NFL has taken from other pro leagues: Take it slow. NFL Chief Medical Officer Dr. Allen Sills says test results expected within 24 hours.
One other point worth noting on daily testing: The NFL contracted with a national lab to make sure their testing needs didn’t take resources away from local markets, which Dr. Sills said was “a driving force for us.” No negative impact on local supply for hospitals, etc.
Judy Battista@judybattista
Another note on NFL testing: was told by one owner that they have been told to expect the positive tests to possibly be high early on as players arrive from home, before everybody gets into the protocol of regular testing. Then expected to level off.
znModeratorRams cornerback Troy Hill welcomed a daughter in 2017 named Serenity.
It's fitting. Hill has has been on a long journey, since his childhood in Ohio, toward finding peace and confronting his own past actions | @JourdanRodrigue https://t.co/84l2WJtX6I
— The Athletic L.A. (@TheAthleticLA) July 20, 2020
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Despite excelling on the field during the 2014 season, Hill went undrafted in 2015 and his domestic violence arrest and guilty plea were believed to be the main reason why. Hill’s NFL career began when he signed with the Cincinnati Bengals
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Hill started to even out mentally, even as his playing time fluctuated. He was released by the Rams after his DUI charge, and then re-signed. He played just 33 percent of defensive snaps in 2017 — after he served a two-game suspension to start the season — then 42 percent in 2018 and finally, in 2019, just after signing a two-year extension, Hill began to break out.
When Jalen Ramsey joined the Rams in October 2019, it could have been a moment for Hill’s window to close. Ramsey, a former first-round pick, has elite, shutdown status. Hill had been “a good player” and not “the good player,” and so perhaps the arrival of Ramsey could have brought back certain memories for Hill, the overwhelming feeling of being overshadowed and overlooked once more. Perhaps he could have let those thoughts take over, knock him out of his rhythm.
But Hill and Ramsey hit it off. Hill told Ramsey that he felt like Ramsey would “get him paid” — a high compliment and a comment based on respect in the world of defensive backs. Hill was telling Ramsey that he knew quarterbacks wouldn’t throw his way for fear of getting picked. Hill was also telling Ramsey that he would step up to meet the challenge that undoubtedly would come from more throws coming toward his receivers — that Ramsey could trust him to pull his own weight.
Hill finished the year among the top outside cornerbacks in the league, according to various NFL data sites. Hill allowed just 20 catches on 50 targets for 263 yards in 2020. Someone scored against him only twice. He recorded two interceptions. In zone, in which the Rams played nearly 60 percent of the time, Hill allowed just seven catches in 20 targets
znModeratorSam Monson@PFF_Sam
Torry Holt is the receiver who gets more underrated the further we drift from his peak.In his best 6 seasons he had 700 more yards than Randy Moss’s best 6 years. 1300 more than the best 6-year stretch Jerry Rice had. More than 100 catches more than Megatron’s best 6.
Howard Balzer@HBalzer721
What affected Rams players with the HOF is that Pace, Warner, Bruce and Holt all became first-time eligibles the same year.
znModeratorJared Goff was money last season finding his WRs in open space 🤑 https://t.co/tKyvUebJC1
— PFF LA Rams (@PFF_Rams) July 20, 2020
July 20, 2020 at 2:43 pm in reply to: One-On-One with Sean McVay podcast … 7/9 … updated w/ new vid, 7/20 #118167
znModeratorHelliePod pays a visit to Sean McVay’s backyard. The Rams Head Coach talks
from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/12/la-rams-injury-week-15-gerald-everett-update/
On The Helliepod Podcast with Dan Hellie, McVay shared his feelings about camp being about a week away and how he foresees things playing out.
“Usually when you get about a week out – and right now, that’s exactly where we’re at – you start to get revved up, get excited,” McVay said. “And there’s something about this time that you know the amount of things that have to take place for that to logistically get off and get going. Something about it tells me maybe there’s a chance that things get moved back. And that’s what’s weird, because you want to make sure – hey, if we’re going, we’re ready to roll, we’re locked in.”
It seems like he wouldn’t be surprised to see the schedule tweaked in some manner.
“What I’ve been telling our people is, ‘Hey, we’re going to have a great plan, whether we get a chance to execute that plan now or a little bit later remains to be seen,”’ McVay said. “But I am confident we will have a season, we’ll be able to play football. Whether or not it goes exactly on the schedule that we’ve all seen, that’s something that I’m a little skeptical of right now.”
znModeratorNever even heard of that film. I’ll have to check it out.
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vActually the whole film is on youtube.
July 20, 2020 at 2:05 pm in reply to: One-On-One with Sean McVay podcast … 7/9 … updated w/ new vid, 7/20 #118165
znModeratorHelliePod pays a visit to Sean McVay’s backyard. The Rams Head Coach talks: if the upcoming season will start on time, Hard Knocks, his RB’s, 3 new coordinators, Rookie year coaching in NFL under Jon Gruden, Chris Cooley, Funny Matt Lafleur story, His welcome to LA moment, Rookie year as Head coach, Pat Mahomes and funny Kliff Kingsbury story.
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