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March 9, 2024 at 8:54 pm in reply to: “the draft” thread … ie. not “the Rams draft” thread … #149720
znModeratorReally interesting list.. The first WR off the board isn’t a lock to emerge as a star or a legit WR1.. Makes the debate regarding the top WR in 2024 more interesting when looking at Harrison, Odunze and Nabers.. #NFLDraft2024 https://t.co/9oz0PIUUSu
— Bucky Brooks (@BuckyBrooks) March 9, 2024
znModeratorIMO, as the game evolved & freak athletes playing D-End/Edge Rusher became the norm, it ushered a heavier use of shotgun.
Kurt Warner@kurt13warnerJust curious how it buys them time? The throws aren’t quicker? They don’t get deeper with drops? And there is no possibility of them setting up within 5 of LOS to maybe keep DE off-balance? Ball isn’t in their hands quicker to get ball out quicker?.Only thing I would say is it gives you a head start from interior pressure!.There are unique elements to being under center that every team should have access to (Short Yardage, Play action, Different run angles, RBs getting downhill not sideways)…Timing of routes are still connected to drops from under center so develops a timing for QBs that gun QBs struggle withGun can lead to lazy/slow footwork that doesn’t lend itself to getting loaded and ready as a QB, so leads to playing slower & having to play catch-up more! All can be taught and adjusted to a degree but lots more elements that can lead to issues!!!.Can’t read the D without ball in your hands so I felt I could read faster from under center bc eyes are on D right away!March 9, 2024 at 6:26 pm in reply to: New thread (March): Rams & free agency + trade scenarios #149718
znModeratorNeed a RB this offseason?
The top available backs in free agency and the draft:https://t.co/uE79d1ivQg
— PFF (@PFF) March 9, 2024
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see link above
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BEST 2024 NFL FREE AGENTS
- Saquon Barkley (No. 30 in PFF’s Free Agency Rankings)
- Josh Jacobs (31)
- Derrick Henry (32)
- Tony Pollard (56)
- Austin Ekeler (57)
- D’Andre Swift (104)
- J.K. Dobbins (129)
- Devin Singletary (130)
- Gus Edwards (131)
- AJ Dillon (134)
The 2024 NFL offseason is something of a referendum on the value of running backs in today’s game. The Giants didn’t place the franchise tag on Saquon Barkley, so he will hit the open market, along with potentially Josh Jacobs from the Raiders.
That duo represents a pair of elite running backs in their prime. Neither player is older than 27, and each has demonstrated elite NFL play at various points in their career and is an every-down weapon.
The problem is each has also shown seasons where none of it mattered because the situation around them was bad enough that they simply couldn’t move the needle. In the past, each would have broken the bank, but it will be interesting to see what their contracts end up being this year.
Derrick Henry is a different case. Almost 30 years old, Henry is a walking red flag in terms of the perils of paying an NFL running back big money. He has more mileage on the clock than any other back in the league when you factor in his college and high school careers, and yet he has always been an exception in the NFL. Some team will likely pay him a solid contract for a couple of years and gamble that he will remain a unicorn to whom the “rules” simply don’t apply.
Tony Pollard and Austin Ekeler are both players coming off seasons that did not enhance their value, but can each be extremely an effective weapon and may represent an excellent buy-low opportunity.
znModeratorTop 10 QBs according to Pro Football Network:
1) Patrick Mahomes
2) Lamar Jackson
3) Joe Burrow
4) Josh Allen
5) Justin Herbert
6) Dak Prescott
7) Brock Purdy
8) CJ Stroud
9) Matthew Stafford
10) Aaron Rodgers pic.twitter.com/OmCCSo70ZM— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) March 9, 2024
March 9, 2024 at 5:37 pm in reply to: New thread (March): Rams & free agency + trade scenarios #149716
znModeratorTwo EDGE guys are potentially available for trade that the Rams should be making calls on. Haason Reddick and Brian Burns.
Reddick likely an easier get. Pairs perfectly opposite of Young as a speed rusher type.
— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) March 9, 2024
znModeratorRams are tied with the Bills, Cardinals, 49ers and Packers for most total picks entering the 2024 NFL Draft with 11 https://t.co/Rnc6uOSwIL
— Stu Jackson (@StuJRams) March 9, 2024
znModeratorGood thing Rams D line coach is the Chargers from this past year https://t.co/hK8izRCHEa
— HoldenCantor (@HoldenCantor) March 9, 2024
znModeratorTony Horne with a 97-yard kick return for a touchdown at the Trans World Dome against the Niners. (1999) #STLRams pic.twitter.com/uWSqTJGF5m
— St. Louis Rams History (@STLRamsHistory) March 9, 2024
znModeratorTypo aside more on that situation here from this story https://t.co/ry7Lt0Ieww pic.twitter.com/W6HcxzDcG6
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) March 8, 2024
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueThe Rams have about $29 in cap space and more in functional space pending a potential Noteboom pay restructure or release..The second I sent it I was like, sigh … MILLION
znModeratorLondon Fletcher holds the #NFL record for the most consecutive starts by a LB with 221 including playoffs. pic.twitter.com/KiWjUoZLt3
— NFL Stats (@NFL_Stats) March 8, 2024
znModeratorBeen thinkin about it and I hope the Rams don’t trade up in round 1. If anything I would rather see them trade down.
znModeratorGary Klein@LATimeskleinRams receive a third-round compensation pick for Raheem Morris and three sixth-round and one seventh-round pick for loss of 2023 free agents..Blaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTRams comp picks officially coming in at:3rd round – 98th overall
6th round – 209th overall
6th round – 213th overall
6th round – 217th overall
7th round – 254th overallGood chance for Les Snead to find another quality starter in the 6th round with three extra picks there.
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SeattleRams@seattlerams_nfl
The Rams now have four top 100 picks in the 2024 NFL Draft.***
Now that the Compensatory picks have been announced here are the full list of draft picks the Rams have in 2024.
Rams Draft Picks 2024
Round 1: #19
Round 2: #52
Round 3: #83
Round 3: #98
Round 5: #153
Round 5: #154
Round 6: #191
Round 6: #209
Round 6: #213
Round 6: #217
Round 7: #254
znModeratorOk, great. But i’m still pissed-off that Zack Martin wasn’t a Ram. w v
That, and trading away Kent Hill.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueKevin Dotson’s contract is now filed on Over the Cap. $32M is guaranteed, with base salaries of $7M, $8M, $8M respectively, prorated signing bonuses over 3 years amounting to $4.25M, roster bonuses amounting to $20.7M. His 2024 cap number is $12.6M but contract apy is $16M.…..
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znModeratorBlaine Grisak @bgrisakTST Per @Schultz_Report, the Rams are putting an original round tender on OT Alaric Jackson for $3.2M. Surprised it’s not a second round tender that would have cost $4.8M.
ME: that might not be accurate?
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Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueThe Rams are planning to tender RFA left tackle Alaric Jackson, according to a source (as@JFowlerESPN said yesterday). They haven’t settled on the level of tender yet and have until early next week to do so. Jackson was a UDFA, so the RofFR would be $3M. Second round is $4.89M,.First round is $6.82M. As a reminder, if another team submits an offer sheet to an RFA, the original team can opt to match or else receive the pick correlating to the tender (if pick value is attached).
znModeratorBlaine Grisak @bgrisakTST
Per @Schultz_Report, the Rams are putting an original round tender on OT Alaric Jackson for $3.2M. Surprised it’s not a second round tender that would have cost $4.8M.
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PA RAM
A first round tender is over 6. A second round tender is just under 5. Right of first refusal was the cheapest….just over 3.
Wise move. If nobody makes him an offer, we get him cheap. If somebody offers him we can match. And with the depth of the OT draft class, will he get any huge offers?
For other teams, do you come up with an offer you think the Ram won’t match, or just pick a guy in a draft that is loaded at LOT? Plus the other side of the coin is, if someone actually does sign Jackson to an unmatchable deal, it’s a good year for the Rams to draft a left OT.
znModeratorI wonder what’s going to happen with Shelton.
Word is, the draft is deep at center.
znModeratorThe @LARams re-signed right guard Kevin Dotson.
Dotson cut his pressure rate allowed from 6.7% before the Rams’ Week 10 bye to 5.5% from Weeks 11-18, the 4th-lowest among right guards in that span (min. 150 pass blocking snaps).#RamsHouse pic.twitter.com/WToC8BDmfW
— Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) March 7, 2024
znModeratorJordan Schultz@Schultz_ReportKevin Dotson ranked as one of the top guards in the NFL last season and played essentially every meaningful snap for the #Rams. Plus, he’s only 27 years old. Big win for both sides.
znModerator.@RamsNFL @TurnerKobie development kept coming as the season went on. Just wait for season #2. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/tMn8xuhuc1
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) March 7, 2024
znModeratorHow many NFL starting centers will come from the 2024 draft class?
If the over/under is 4.5, I'm taking the over. JPJ, Barton, Frazier, Van Pran, Bortolini, Nourzad, Limmer. A few more promising options on day 3.
AWESOME year to draft a center. pic.twitter.com/CGnQgzcAUJ
— Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) March 7, 2024
znModeratorKevin Dotson proved to be one of the best trades in the NFL this year. The former Steeler had his best season yet and was deserving of all the accolades. Dotson
Dotson graded one of the top Guards in the league according to @PFF.
I love his ability to finish plays! Great motor pic.twitter.com/fFg2dTEfLv
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) January 13, 2024
znModeratorBlaine Grisak @bgrisakTSTPer @Schultz_Report, the Rams are putting an original round tender on OT Alaric Jackson for $3.2M. Surprised it’s not a second round tender that would have cost $4.8M. Putting an original round tender on Jackson is their way of seeing what his value is without risking losing him. They can match any offer sheet. A way of getting a fair number as he becomes their full-time starting LT.
znModeratorNow they are shaping up to have a great IOL.
dare i say the greatest interior oline i’ve seen since watching the rams?
You know, that’s possible. I mean I don’t know how long you have followed the Rams, but yes that’s possible. At least since Mack and Harrah, who last played together in 1978.
You don’t need a great combined IOL to have a great OL, but if you do have a great IOL, it makes a huge difference.
znModeratorone thing i could see them doing. if they are interested in taliese fuaga. they probably have to trade up for him. but if they were to draft him then they let dotson go. plug fuaga at right guard. hav at right tackle. alaric at left tackle. sign him to a multi-year contract. avila at left guard. shelton at center. and what i like about it is you plug fuaga at rg but then he’s a logical candidate to replace hav the next year. his combine tape looks amazing. very quick. supposedly very impressive in interviews.
How does them signing Dotson impact your thinking on this?
znModeratorI’m glad the Rams were flexible with this. Usually they are about as likely to pay a guard as they are to pay a safety. But Dotson is a different animal, so regular formulas don’t apply. Now they are shaping up to have a great IOL. And with a great IOL, you can get by with just “solid” and not necessarily “elite” at LOT.
Think of the 2023 running game. Have you ever seen the Rams dominate running up the gut the way they did? There were times when all they had to do was hand off to Wms and it was 5 yards every pop.
znModeratorAdam Schefter@AdamSchefterRams are re-signing G Kevin Dotson to sign a three-year, $48 million deal that includes $32 million guaranteed, as @Schultz_Report also reported..Blaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTLes Snead has made several great trades as the general manager of the Rams. Not sure where Kevin Dotson trade ranks, but that was a big win for the front office. Saw a need at guard and found a player available that fit the new scheme. Made a HUGE difference..Andrew Siciliano@AndrewSicilianoLow-key fantastic trade at the cutdown deadline last summer for Les Snead. Helped solidly the OL.According to Pro Football Focus, Dotson boasted a pass-blocking efficiency grade of 97.3 last season. That was among the tops for interior linemen in the NFL. The interior of the Rams’ offensive line allowed only eight of the 30 sacks Stafford took a season ago. That’s darn good stuff.
What’s more impressive is the performance of Dotson and the Rams’ offensive line in blocking for Williams on the ground. He became the first player since 1937 to finish in the top-three of the NFL in rushing (1,144 yards) despite missing four or more games to injury.
Williams also ranked second behind Christian McCaffrey with 3.0 yards per rush before contact. That’s an obvious testament to what Kevin Dotson and the offensive line did on the ground.
znModeratorAnd just a year ago, the Bills were all like
Well they’re certainly following the Rams 2023 model. They too still have the qb and a star D player so it could have the same result (playoffs).
March 7, 2024 at 10:49 am in reply to: New thread (March): Rams & free agency + trade scenarios #149666
znModeratorRams free agency buzz: Aaron Donald questions, OL markets, upcoming extension talks
By Jourdan Rodrigue
The NFL combine came and went, bringing with it a new wave of chatter from agents, scouts, coaches, front-office executives and analysts within the hotel lobbies, restaurants, coffee shops and bars of Indianapolis.
While the Los Angeles Rams’ top brass did not attend (they haven’t since 2020), a small contingent of personnel did work behind the scenes and on the ground on what general manager Les Snead called “specific missions.”
For all 32 teams and the NFL ecosystem at large, a presence at the combine includes getting a clearer picture of free agency. The new league year begins on March 13; the legal tampering period — teams can talk to agents of other teams’ pending free agents — begins Monday.
The Rams will have about $40 million to spend in free agency, plus more pending a few likely upcoming moves (outlined below).
I spent six days in Indianapolis, in part to try to get a sense of the Rams’ plans from league sources. The Rams’ offseason actually starts with a $35 million question — at least, it did for those league sources: Aaron Donald has previously said he’ll return in 2024, but would the star defensive tackle actually walk away?
As other buildings and player representatives work to assess each others’ situations and try to predict the coming markets, some league sources who spoke with me on the condition of anonymity had serious questions about Donald’s plans — especially because the financial ripple effect for the Rams either way wouldn’t just be significant for the team’s own offseason moves, but other free agents and teams as well.
Recent public comments made by Snead did very little to answer those questions — if the team knows what Donald, 33, will do, they aren’t sharing.
“Definitely hope Aaron is (back) … I know Aaron is definitely approaching the offseason where he’s doing his normal getting-away, somewhat trying to get revitalized with the goal of playing good football,” Snead said in late-February, indicating that the Rams were treating Donald with the usual space following a productive season.
This bears reminding: At the end of the 2023 season, Donald said he would “for sure” be committed to carrying forward the progress he and younger teammates made in 2023 into 2024. When Donald signed his three-year extension in 2022 after initially contemplating retirement, multiple sources said the team received his commitment to play through its duration into 2024.
On the fifth day of the new league year, according to Over the Cap and ProFootballTalk, a $5 million bonus kicks in and Donald can also earn a $30 million guarantee on his contract if he is on the Rams’ roster. That is also the final year on his current deal, with two “void” years afterward. He is scheduled to make nearly $35 million in 2024 (still the highest among interior defensive linemen, though others are expected to reach deals into the new league year). That would be a huge amount of money to leave behind.
After the Rams’ season ended in January, Sean McVay was asked whether he was concerned that the decision of former defensive line coach Eric Henderson — a close friend and mentor of Donald’s — to take a job at USC would affect Donald’s intent to return for the final year of his deal. McVay’s response, like Snead’s, wasn’t altogether clear.
“I think those conversations occur at the appropriate time,” McVay said. “There’s so much emotion that takes place right after a game and after a season. … (I think) you give guys the chance to really just digest the season, coaches and players alike, and then we’ll address all those things at the right time.”
I don’t currently sense any consideration from the Rams to look into restructuring his 2024 money to create even more workable cap space, or to ask Donald to take less money. Donald is a future Hall of Famer who was an on- and off-the-field leader for a very inexperienced group in 2023. Further, it is not typically their style to push a player on communication during the break period of the season.
Donald’s salary in 2024, plus his public comments after the wild-card loss in Detroit, would normally not make this a question at all (other than in consideration of his age and previous retirement contemplation). He also has a no-trade clause in his contract.
Yet between McVay and Snead’s non-committal responses to direct public questions, plus ongoing questions behind the scenes from those league sources, this topic does bear monitoring.
If — if — Donald retires, there would suddenly be a $35 million financial swing that would affect other free agents, the Rams’ own free agency, a draft plan in April and certainly other teams. This is why league sources had questions in Indianapolis, including for the Rams directly — questions the team has yet to answer definitively, although the fifth day of the league year may do that for everyone.
Here are more odds and ends gathered from Indianapolis and back in Los Angeles:
• Snead said publicly that the Rams are in consistent communication with representation for starting center Coleman Shelton and starting guard Kevin Dotson. Both players are pending free agents who are expected to test their markets. The Rams would like to bring back both players and will attempt to do so as free agency begins.
Shelton voided a final year on his existing contract to become a free agent. League sources who are monitoring the offensive line market — where suddenly several centers are available — believe Shelton could certainly end up with mid-tier money but if he prefers to stay in Los Angeles, the Rams could work to get something palatable done for both sides.
The guard market is tougher to predict, with wild swings in price projections from $14 million to $20 million per year. I don’t believe that the Rams would overspend here, in consideration of the incoming draft class and their own resources. I can see them instead operating closer to the $12 million to $16 million range for that position.
• After speaking with people who are familiar with reserve offensive lineman Joe Noteboom’s situation, I believe a heavy contract restructure that would keep Noteboom in Los Angeles in a sixth-man role is on the table. The Rams could save almost $10 million against his current contract with such a restructure, instead employing him in the $4 million to $6 million range. Noteboom could also have the option to test the market — and that would likely mean a release, because the Rams will not keep him on his current $15 million salary in 2024. However, both McVay and Snead have publicly expressed their desire to retain Noteboom (his contract just has to be more team-friendly because he is no longer a starter).
• After speaking with league sources, I do not expect inside linebacker Christian Rozeboom, defensive tackle Jonah Williams or outside linebacker Michael Hoecht to receive tenders. The former UFAs could still return after testing free agency, but a tender would have been about $3 million for one year.
• Inside linebacker Ernest Jones is a candidate for an early extension and preliminary talks have begun, multiple sources briefed on those conversations said, but there isn’t a rush here from either side. The Rams usually do those types of deals after OTAs, or into training camp.
• Cornerback Ahkello Witherspoon and safeties Jordan Fuller and John Johnson III are expected to become free agents and test their respective markets. The Rams have had brief discussions with representation for all three players, but historically have not moved with urgency to sign safeties (with regard to Fuller and Johnson).
• The Rams are paying very close attention to the cornerback and edge rusher markets as free agency opens. As a reminder for this team — they do not “close for business” until the trade deadline in the fall.
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