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December 12, 2014 at 7:26 pm in reply to: CBS Sports 920AM – Greg Cosell 12-12-14 – Joe Strauss and Dick Vermei – Podcast #13759
znModeratorTough game to call for BS. The run wasnt
really working, but neither was the passWell a good coordinator would then go to the alternative.
December 12, 2014 at 7:24 pm in reply to: CBS Sports 920AM – Greg Cosell 12-12-14 – Joe Strauss and Dick Vermei – Podcast #13758
znModeratorCosell: what’s not to like about the Rams defense?
That there is a very good listen. He goes over the ARZ game.
December 12, 2014 at 6:51 pm in reply to: reporters, analysts etc, do the post-mortem on the ARZ game #13752
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Turning point: Rams fail to finishBy Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/14628/turning-point-rams-fail-to-finish
EARTH CITY, Mo. — A look back at the turning point of the St. Louis Rams’ 12-6 loss to the Arizona Cardinals on Thursday night:
The situation: After five consecutive three-and-outs in the third quarter, the Rams offense was desperately seeking traction in its bid to forge a comeback from a 12-3 deficit. Quarterback Shaun Hill connected with tight end Jared Cook and receiver Stedman Bailey for gains of 15 and 38 yards, respectively and the Rams were finally moving the ball. In fact, they got all the way to Arizona’s 7 where they had a chance to score the game’s first touchdown and put themselves in position to steal the game in the closing moments. This isn’t a total focus on one play so much as a sequence that ultimately might have cost the Rams the game.
As it then stood, the Rams faced first-and-goal at Arizona’s 7 with 7:29 to go and a nine-point deficit.
The play: On first down, the Rams opted to hand it off to running back Tre Mason. In a familiar sight on the day, Mason had nowhere to go as he attempted to power up the middle. He was stopped for no gain. On second down, Hill found Bailey over the middle for a completion. Bailey gave it everything he had to try to get into the end zone but he was stopped a yard short to set up third-and-goal at Arizona’s 1. Now, the Rams have struggled mightily to run the ball on third- and fourth-and-1 this year. The Rams are last in yards per carry in those situations at 1.09 and had been stopped on a run in a similar situation on their first possession. With that in mind, it was pretty clear what they were going to do on third down. Problem was, Arizona knew it, too.
The Rams lined up in a typical goal line power formation with tight ends Lance Kendricks and Jared Cook attached to the line to the right and left, respectively, Cory Harkey offset at fullback and Benny Cunningham in the backfield. At the snap, Hill faked a handoff to Cunningham but Arizona doesn’t bite and all of its defenders stayed home to prevent any of the possible pass-catchers from leaking out into free space. Kendricks never even made it past the line of scrimmage and, as Hill rolled to his right, Cook tried to find space in the back of the end zone but was double-covered. Hill threw the ball out of the end zone.
“The one in particular, third down there late in the game (on the 1-yard line), they did a good job of taking it all away,” Hill said. “They really did. You’ve got to give them credit, too.”
The fallout: There was some discussion about whether Jeff Fisher should have gone for it on fourth-and-1 but considering the Rams’ struggles to convert in those situations and the need to make it a one-possession game, it’s understandable why he took the points. On the other hand, the concern with kicking there was that you were leaving your best chance at a touchdown on the field. Indeed, the Rams didn’t get that close again and ended up losing by six. A touchdown there might have changed things but, as Fisher pointed out, it wasn’t about the fourth-down decision so much as his team’s inability to finish before it that killed their chances.
“We’re down there first down, and down their second down, and down their third down,” Fisher said. “We had opportunities. But if we don’t get points then we’re in trouble. So we needed 10, we got three thinking that we had plenty of time and would have a shot.”
And they did but never one as good as the three that passed them by.
December 12, 2014 at 6:50 pm in reply to: reporters, analysts etc, do the post-mortem on the ARZ game #13751
znModeratorArians crowing after Arizona victory over Rams
By Jim Thomas
One week you’re taking a jab at the opposition by sending out a certain group of coin toss captains. The next week, the opposing coach is taking a jab at your defense and your coaching record.
Such is life in the NFL. As former Rams cornerback Cortland Finnegan used to say: “Sometimes you’re the bug, and sometimes you’re the windshield.”
The Rams played the role of “bug” in Thursday’s 12-6 loss to Arizona, and Big Red coach Bruce Arians couldn’t help crowing about the victory afterwards.
“Everybody wanted to say how great their defense is, but I think they saw a good defense tonight and it was in red and white,” Arians told reporters after the game. “I am very proud of our guys.”
The Rams entered the game with one of the hottest defenses in the league, becoming the first NFL team since Dallas in 2009 to register back-to-back shutouts with a 52-0 triumph over Oakland on Nov. 30, followed by a 24-0 victory over Washington on Dec. 7.
Even with Thursday’s loss they have not yielded a touchdown in three games.
But the media attention the St. Louis defense has received lately ruffled some Cardinals’ feathers.
“It fired us up a lot,” said Arizona Pro Bowl cornerback Patrick Peterson. “I mean, we’re the number one team in the NFL and the NFC, and we don’t get nearly as much coverage. It doesn’t matter to us. We just want to keep going out and playing football, keep winning games, and get into the playoffs.”
The fact that Arizona entered the game as an underdog despite sharing the best record in the NFL with Green Bay, New England, and Denver didn’t go over well, either.
“I love it when nobody says that you will have a chance to win,” Arians said. “There is an 11-3 team, and a team that is always 8-8. You figure it out.”
Actually, the Rams (6-Cool must win their final two games to reach .500 this season. But Arians’ remarks obviously were a shot at Fisher, who had five teams finish 8-8 while head coach of the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans.
Last Sunday, Fisher upset fans and some media members in Washington and elsewhere when he sent out six Rams players who were acquired via the Robert Griffin III trade in 2012 for the coin toss.
znModeratorDraft a QB in the first round, start Bradford and hope he doesn’t get hurt, start rookie in season 2.
or
Draft a QB in the first round, sign a veteran QB akin to Carson Palmer, release Bradford, start rookie in season 2.
Or…
screw the rookie in year 2 if the starter is playing well, let him languish.
znModeratorI think the loss totally falls on Shaun Hill’s shoulders. He was the big difference between winning and losing.
The Defense busted its asses to keep the Rams in the game and Hill did his best Tony Banks impression and did nothing.Team needs a legit star QB and until they have that they will always be not good enough.
Grits
I disagree. No qbs perform if there is a general OL collapse. Look at Manning v. the Rams D.
On the other hand, virtually every game where Jennings gives up long completions or gets flags on deep passes, the Rams lose. He and Mason made mistakes that led directly to 9 points.
And ARZ won without a “legit star qb.”
znModeratorEverybody wanted to talk all that stuff about how great their defense is. I think they saw a good defense tonight, it was in red and white,” Arians said before talking about his 143 rushing yards. “We blocked them. I think they had been reading their press clippings way too much.”
Why is Arians so hostile? Makes me root against them going forward.
znModeratorI dunno. I think a lot of people are over-reacting to this game.
AZ just matches up well with the Rams.
I didn’t get anything more out of it than that.
znModeratorDak wrote:
I just know that if they have to rely on a rookie QB in games like tonight, you can expect some big mistakes that can snowball big time. We don’t even know if Hundley or Winston will be any good in the NFL after getting years of experience.I’m just saying, those guys are better options than Shaun Hill and Austin Davis going into nextyear.
I doubt they are even better than Davis…as rookies anyway.
How are rookie qbs doing as a rule, Jack.
znModeratorNot only I believe, but should do so early. Not sure if we can count on Bradford being 100% nextyear, or even play a full season. Not knocking down our backups, but they are not the guys who can fill in and beat real good teams. Not saying there is a great crop out there, but they have to be better than what we have right now. Let it be Winston or Hundley, we need someone.
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And why do you think they can count on a rookie qb? Heck if anything, over the last few years (from 2011 on) the 1st round qbs on avg. have not done as well as the 2nd and 3rd round qbs.
BTW everyone who says Bradford will be back also says they will draft a guy in the 1st 3 rounds, so there’s really no argument here.
znModeratorBradford is not guaranteed any money for next year. If the Rams cut Bradford there will be $3,595,000 charged against there 2015 cap but this is money that has already been paid by the Rams. None of the almost $13M in his contract for his 2015 salary would be due to him if he is cut.
So the contract he has for next year would be based on what his current value to the Rams would be. It will not be based on any past contract.
TD and I are seeing a lot of this the same way…and I like the way he breaks it down.
Here is some more TD on this, from off the net.
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Les Snead said on the Jeff Fisher Show this past week that Bradford and the Rams were in contract negotiations. He also gave Bradford some very high praise then he said that the Rams could not be sentimental about it. So the Rams are not waiting until after this season is over. I think that hearing from Snead directly and Fisher through Albert Breer is an indication they want him back and that talks are progressing to the point they both feel that they can release some tidbits. Both coming at almost the same time does not seem like a coincidence to me.
I think it is highly unlikely that Bradford would have a contract that had a fixed salary. It would be more likely something like 3-5M plus some major incentive figures that might well get him to the 13M in his current contract if he plays all season.
I would also suggest that it will not be a one year contract. I doubt the Rams would want to risk finding out that Bradford can really play only to lose him in free agency.
I would not look for too much in terms of any guarantees for Bradford for 2016 & 2017. But I could see such things as a large roster bonus at the beginning of a league year. This would force the Rams to decide early if they wish to keep him.
I would also see continued incentives for starts during both of those years. I think the Rams will protect themselves but Bradford will be protected if he performs.
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WiFFLE ChAMp
there sure is a buzz around the city today…
I have talked with several in the work place about it and have gotten several text messages…
my favorite text I received today was from my cousin saying..
I’m Working right next door to the Dome today.. walking out of work start drinking and then game. Wearing work clothes with MY RAMS HARD HAT. REMEMBER 99..GOTTA GO TO WORK
and he sent me a pic with his rams hardhat on… I loved it!
I got another text saying “It’s time. The Rams are back in business”
znModeratorChris Long: “I think Aaron Donald should be in the Pro Bowl”
Chris Long speaks with reporters following Wednesday’s practice before Thursday Night Football.
znModeratorIs Shaun Hill trending up?
By Bernie Miklasz
Except for one regrettable interception that cost the Rams a win at San Diego, we can’t find much fault with Shaun Hill’s play at quarterback since his return to the starting job four games ago.
Not that we’re looking to find fault with Hill. He’s a genuinely good man who has earned the respect of his teammates. Hill has become a team leader, as evidenced by his vocal locker-room challenge of teammates after the Rams’ messy first half at Washington last Sunday.
The Rams are 3-1 since head coach Jeff Fisher benched Austin Davis and turned to Hill as his starter. Even with a few rough moments in the San Diego loss, Hill has done an impressive overall job. He’s been better than I anticipated.
In these last four starts Hill completed 62 percent of his passes, has averaged a healthy 7.54 yards per attempt, has six touchdowns and two interceptions, and has a passer rating of 96.0.
In the Rams’ three wins with Hill at quarterback — Denver, Oakland, Washington — he’s completed 67 percent of his throws with five touchdowns, no interceptions, an average of 8.44 yards per attempt, and has a slick passer rating of 116.
As we look ahead to the Rams’ unsettled quarterback position for the near future, Hill is keeping himself in the conversation.
Among the questions:
1. Are the Rams willing to draft a QB early and play him right away in 2015? With the team so close to a winning breakthrough it seems chancy to hand the job to an unproven rookie. If the Rams’ bosses truly believe they are on the verge of a 10-win season (or more) in 2015, then I’d have to think they’d be reluctant to risk taking a step back in ’15 as a rookie QB learns on the job.
2. Will the Rams bring Sam Bradford back for 2015 at a reworked and reduced salary? And would he agree to a salary cut to stay here or prefer to take his chances elsewhere? By the end of this season, Bradford will have started only 23 of 48 regular-season games since Fisher took over in 2012. After his two knee surgeries, can the Rams depend on Bradford to stay healthy? Or are they willing to take another chance on Sam, gambling that he’ll stay upright for 16 games in 2015 and be the right QB for this offense?.
3. Where does Austin Davis fit in? I have no idea. There are a few possibilities in play. Does he get a chance to compete for the starting job in 2015, or will he be relegated to a backup role? Depending on what the Rams choose to do elsewhere at the QB position, there are no guarantees of Davis being part of the mix in ’15.
4. Do the Rams bring back Bradford but keep Hill as their No. 2 to take over if Bradford should go down again? It would be a repeat of this year’s advance plan, but perhaps with one difference: a rookie QB on the roster instead of A. Davis.
5. Not that there will be any big-name throwers available on the market, but will the Rams sign a free-agent quarterback that fits into the Fisher and Brian Schottenheimer style of offense? In his past at Tennessee, Fisher squeezed a good number of wins out of aging quarterbacks such as Neil O’Donnell and Kerry Collins. If the rest of the team is in good shape — especially on defense — Fisher is confident he can win with an intelligent, game-manager type of quarterback.
Which brings us back to Hill’s future.
I could definitely envision a scenario in which the Rams draft a young QB early and take their time to prep him while Hill starts.
Hill — who is generous in mentoring young players — has the personality and temperament for the role.
Arizona QB Drew Stanton was Hill’s teammate when both played for the Detroit Lions. And Stanton is grateful to Hill for helping him so much.
“He was the first guy that showed me how to prepare as a back-up,” Stanton said. “How to be ready to go in at the drop of a hat and go in there and be able to play and hopefully play at a high level because you feel prepared. You’re not sitting there second guessing things or questioning what’s going on. It’s a lot of mental preparation. There’s a systematic approach to it and I can’t thank him enough for all of it.”
That said, I think it’s too early to peg Hill. It’s too early to think of going into 2015 with Hill as a starter with no real Plan B in place. He’ll be 35 next season, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask how Hill will hold up physically … or how he’ll hold up through increased exposure.
In the Rams’ final three games, Hill will face two defenses that rank among the top five in the NFL for fewest points allowed. Arizona is 5th with 231 points surrendered, and Seattle is 1st with only 219 points allowed. The other opponent, the NY Giants, aren’t mediocre but not horrendous on defense, ranking 21st among the 30 teams in points allowed.
Hill’s limited mobility could be an issue against the Arizona, NY Giants and Seattle defenses. (We already know that the Cardinals and Seahawks play fierce defense, but don’t overlook the Giants, who are 5th in the NFL in sack percentage.)
In his last four games as the starter, Hill has been OK on third downs, with one TD and one INT and a passer rating of 82.9.
Blitzes have given him problems. When dogged over the last four games Hill has completed only 17 of 33 (51.5%) with two TDs, two INTs and a poor passer rating of 65.0.
Hill played cleanly in the wins over Denver, Oakland and Washington but turned the ball over three times in the loss at San Diego. One was a fumble returned for a touchdown; the other was the INT that stopped the Rams from stealing the win at the end.
Hill has also been lucky in that he’s fumbled five times in the last four games — but the Rams recovered four of them.
There’s also a lot to like about Hill …
The late San Diego INT aside, he’s made good decisions. He gets the ball out on time. He doesn’t rattle, posting an adjusted completion percentage of 71.4 percent when under pass-rush pressure. (That number is according to Pro Football Focus.) And he has good competitive character
Hill is outstanding at executing play-action passes. According to Pro Football Focus, Hill has completed 21 of 26 play-action passes (80.8%) with five touchdowns, no interceptions, a whopping average of 15 yards per attempt, and a crazy-good passer rating of 158.3.
That’s important because play-action throws are a key part of the Fisher-Schottenheimer offense. Davis was pretty awful at play-action passing, throwing four TDs and four INTs and averaging 5.4 yards per attempt with a 72.3 rating. The play-action pass has become a real weapon in the Rams’ offense since Hill was reinstalled as the QB.
Even with the present uncertainty, Hill certainly has a chance to put himself in the thick of things at QB for the Rams in 2015. He could end up in a number of roles: full-time starter, solid No. 2, Bradford insurance, or place-holder starter while a rookie gets ready. Let’s see how he finishes the season.
znModeratorIs there any reason Bradford should/would take less money
next year?In a sense, he doesn;t have to.
They can extend him, so that nominally the contract has more total money in it.
But they can work that extension in a cap friendly way that reduces the 2015 cap hit and puts a lot of the future money in things like incentives and roster bonuses. This allows the Rams to give themselves some insurance, while also on paper anyway take care of Bradford.
Any cap-smart team could easily do all that stuff.
I doubt they just flat and plain ask him to take a reduction. And they don’t have to do it that way.
On his side, he probably sees the advantages in staying with a team where he knows the system and the weapons on offense, and the defense is shaping up to be a top unit that would take a lot of pressure off him.
December 11, 2014 at 9:18 am in reply to: reporters etc (including Warner) preview the ARIZONA game #13628
znModeratorKurt Warner on ‘Inside the NFL’: Cardinals vs. Rams preview
The “Inside the NFL” crew breaks down the Thursday night matchup between the Arizona Cardinals and St. Louis Rams.
December 11, 2014 at 9:18 am in reply to: reporters etc (including Warner) preview the ARIZONA game #13627
znModeratorBig test for both Rams, Arizona
By Bernie Miklasz
Minutes after his Rams had completed a thorough 24-0 thwacking of the tackling dummies dressed in Washington Redskins’ costumes, coach Jeff Fisher stepped to a podium and actually said this:
“We can play better.”
This wasn’t a meaningless example of predictable coach-speak; Fisher truly believed it.
Think about that for a few seconds. In the last two weeks the Rams jacked the Oakland Raiders 52-0, then added to the misery in Washington by imposing a second consecutive shutout.
Two games, two wins, and a preposterous 76-0 point differential. But Fisher wants more from his team. And he thinks they can give it. The players agree.
“I feel like we were playing well as a team,” quarterback Shaun Hill said. “You can’t just say, ‘Well, we’ve turned the corner, now it’s time to relax.’ You’ve got to keep doing the same things that you’ve been doing that have got you to this point. That’s the way it is in the NFL. You’ve got to just keep going, keep churning and keep working — and this group does that.”
This leads us into tonight’s game against the Arizona Cardinals at the Edward Jones Dome. The Rams are only 6-7 but trending favorably. They’ve gone 5-3 in their last eight games, are 3-1 since Hill was plugged back in at quarterback, and are cracking opponents with a bruising level of defense.
This Rams’ run has featured wins over Seattle, San Francisco and Denver plus the curb-stomping wipeouts of Oakland and Washington. But tonight presents an opportunity to knock down the 10-3 Cardinals, the leaders of the cantankerous NFC West Division.
The Cardinals are no fluke; over the past 22 games they’re tied with Denver and New England for the best record (17-5) in the NFL.
The football nation will be tuning in to the NFL Network to check out the Rams to see if this team is truly on the rise — or just randomly hot. After a 1-4 start to the season, the Rams have a chance to complete their difficult climb to a .500 record.
In short, it’s an appealing showcase for a franchise that has staggered, wandered and limped to a 57-115-1 record since posting its last winning season in 2003.
“Right now we’ve got a little momentum and we just have to keep it,” Fisher said Wednesday. “Really outstanding opponent we’re playing and they’re one of the top seeds right now. This will be a good chance for us to really see how we match up with some of the elite teams in the league.”
Symbolic of their improved performance, the Rams are a four-point favorite over the Cardinals. They’re the betting favorite for the third consecutive game, which hasn’t been the case since Fisher took command of a massive franchise cleanup in 2012. At least they’ve captured the gamblers’ attention and respect.
The national cable audience will inspect a hell-raising Rams defense that has 29 sacks and 15 takeaways while surrendering only six touchdowns from scrimmage over the past six games. Among NFL defenses, only Seattle (219) has allowed fewer points from scrimmage than the Rams (221) this season.
“This is a good, young group,” Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams said. “We’ve eliminated some of those miscommunication things from a young standpoint, from an experience standpoint. They’re playing very well. We’ve got to take the next step. We’ve still got to put whatever it is behind us. It’s, ‘What have you done for me lately and how have you played for me today?’ We’ve got to get ready to play the next one.”
Curious helmet heads will look in to scrutinize the breakaway potential of Rams rookie running back Tre Mason, the emergence of all-purpose playmaker Tavon Austin, the deep-ball threat of wide receiver Kenny Britt and the seam-busting routes of tight end Jared Cook.
The ornery Fisher may even throw in a trick play or two … though I don’t think the mischievous coach can top what he pulled on Sunday in Washington, when he trolled the Redskins by sending out the six players procured by the Rams through the Robert Griffin III trade to represent the Rams in the pregame coin toss.
This is a winnable game for the home team. The Cardinals, only 3-3 on the road this season, are averaging only 19.7 points (ranking 24th) away from their home base.
Quarterback Drew Stanton — the replacement for the injured Carson Palmer — has the NFL’s worst passer rating (65.3) on the road this season. And be it home or away, the Arizona offense has scored only two touchdowns from scrimmage in its last 15 quarters.
Under Williams, the Rams have called more blitzes than any team in the league this season. And they’ll be going after Stanton tonight.
The Cardinals, however, remain dangerous. Their defense is among the league’s toughest, and the Big Red franchise already has won 10 games for the second consecutive season. You have to go back to the peak seasons of Don Coryell in St. Louis to find the last streak of consecutive 10-win seasons for the Cardinals.
Local football historians will recall that the entertaining Cardinals of Coryell, Dan Dierdorf, Jackie Smith, Roger Wehrli, Jim Hart, Mel Gray and Terry Metcalf won 31 games between 1974 and ‘76.
A contingent of “Greatest Show” era St. Louis Rams — including Marshall Faulk, Kurt Warner, Orlando Pace and Dick Vermeil — will be in the house tonight.
It all makes for good theater.
But this is serious business.
The game is an undeniable credibility check for the Rams. With skepticism increasing, this is another test for the Cardinals, who are desperately trying to hold off the surging Seahawks (9-4) in the NFC West.
The combination of factors makes for an enticing matchup. Given the ferocity of both defenses, this game likely will have the subtlety of a UFC brawl.
“We’ve got to just keep getting these wins,” Cook said. “We’re a team that’s still growing. And we’ve got big things ahead of us. But we have to keep winning.”
Cook is right. The Rams have teased their fans before — inflating hopes, then letting everyone down.
Well, that can change tonight. Fisher believes his squad can play even better, and you want to believe that it’s true. The pressure is on the Rams to come through with an emphatic victory at home. Will the Rams respond, or relapse? It’s time to buckle up.
December 11, 2014 at 9:13 am in reply to: reporters etc (including Warner) preview the ARIZONA game #13623
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7 things to watch: Rams vs. CardinalsBy Jim Thomas
STRUGGLES ON THE ROAD
This marks the third game in a row that the Rams face either a rookie or a backup QB. Drew Stanton hasn’t been nearly as effective on the road as at home this season. He has completed 57% of his passes for 874 yards, six TDs, and two INTs at University of Phoenix Stadium. His home passer rating is 97.7 and he’s averaging 8.74 yards per attempt. The Cardinals are 4-0 in games he’s appeared in at home (including three starts). It’s a different story on the road, where he has completed 52.5% of his passes for 728 yards, one TD, and three INTs. His road passer rating is 63.5 and he’s averaging 6.07 yards per attempt. The Cardinals are 1-3 in games he has started on the road. Stanton is a tough guy, and has good mobility. He came off the bench to lead Arizona to a fourth-quarter comeback victory over the visiting Rams 32 days ago. But the Rams’ defense has progressed to the point where they shouldn’t let a guy like Stanton beat them.
EYE-OPENING DEBUT
With Andre Ellington out for the year with a hernia, unheralded RB Kerwynn Williams had an eye-opening rushing debut last week against Kansas City. Promoted from the practice squad last week, Williams rushed for 100 yards on 19 carries vs. KC, recording the first 100-yard rushing day of the season for the Big Red. Williams, a first-year player out of Utah State, reminds Jeff Fisher a little bit of Maurice Jones-Drew in terms of running style and stature.
REST OF THE BACKFIELD
Those were Williams’ first NFL carries, and the Cardinals have next to no experience behind him, either. Stepfan Taylor, Marion Grice and Robert Hughes have 87 NFL carries for 263 yards among them. With 46 catches, Ellington was Arizona’s second-most productive pass-catcher this season, but the Big Red threw only twice to backs vs. the Chiefs. Young backs often have problems with blitz pickup as well, so that could be an area the Rams can exploit.
STILL THE MAN
Larry Fitzgerald has more career receptions (131) and TDs (16) against the Rams than any other opponent — he’s played them 21 times. In the first matchup in Arizona, the eight-time Pro Bowler had nine catches for 112 yards against the Rams. But he has been slowed by a knee injury lately, missing the Nov. 23 Seattle game and Nov. 30 Atlanta contest. He was at far less than 100 percent last week vs. KC, catching four passes for just 34 yards.
REVIVED PASS RUSH
After getting just eight sacks in their first eight games, the Cardinals have been getting to the opposing QBs with regularity. Try 23 sacks over the past five contests, a league high over that span. Yes, that’s more than even the resurgent Rams’ pass rush, which has 21 sacks in its past five games. The Big Red hot streak started with six sacks in the first meeting vs. the Rams. OLB Alex Okafor has five sacks in his past five games; DE Frostee Rucker had a career-high two sacks last week vs. KC.
RETURN TO SENDER
After Tavon Austin’s banner day on punt returns against Washington, the Rams now have the league’s fourth-ranked punt returner (Austin, with an 11.1-yard average) and fifth-ranked kickoff returner (Benny Cunningham, with a 28.5-yard average). Arizona is in the bottom half of the league rankings in both punt coverage (24th) and kickoff coverage (27th). So there could be some opportunities in the return game tonight in the Edward Jones Dome.
WINNING THE 4TH
Arizona has been outscored in every quarter this season except the fourth. But the fourth belongs to them. In a league where nearly half the games are decided by a touchdown or less, the Cardinals know how to finish. They have outscored the opposition 99-40 in the final 15 minutes, a ratio of 2½ points to 1. They padded that total in their Nov. 9 home triumph over St. Louis, outscoring the Rams 21-0 in the fourth quarter to erase a 14-10 deficit.
znModeratorHey guys. I am going to merge this with the other “thotz on the ARZ game” thread.
znModerator“THAT ONE WAS FOR YOU, KURT COBAIN!”
znModeratorHill has really been a blessing and I think he’s just a LOT better than folks think, including opposing defenses.
I think opposing defenses think of him as “the 2nd string QB” and he shouldn’t be viewed that way. He should be viewed as a middling starter because I’d totally take him over “starters” like Geno Smith…
If the Rams can enter next year with Bradford, Hill and a high rook like maybe Hundley or Connor Cook… and sit Hundley and let him really learn (and sell him on being the next Aaron Rodgers with this D) then I think the Rams are set even if Bradford can’t really come back until mid-season.
And, I really, REALLY don’t want Sam Bradford coming back too early and risking his knee. Hill can carry the banner until Bradford is really, really ready. Unless the rook is lights out and just flat out earns the starting spot like Wilson did when he was drafted…. I think we’re good with Hill and Sammy B.
I agree with practically every word of that.
Dammit, message boards are not supposed to be about AGREEMENT.
They’re supposed to be about pointless drama queen style bickering.
Oh well, I guess this “agreement” thing has its good points too.
We’ll just have to agree to agree I guess.
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December 10, 2014 at 9:10 pm in reply to: stats from the Washington shut-out & more stats too #13580
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This is the second time Williams has had back to back goose eggs. He did it as DC for Titans in 2000
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Shaun Hill Part Two–Skillset (note: part 1 is in this thread]/color])
Every year I get Lindy’s draft magazine, and they rate QB’s on the following categories: Setup/Release, Accuracy, Arm Strength, Reading Defenses, On The Move, and Intangibles.
The following are some of my own personal thoughts as an ardent Ram fan. I’m not a scout (nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night), but I just wanted to articulate why I am impressed by Shaun Hill’s game. Everyone sees things differently– beauty is in the eye of the beholder– but for those of you who have your doubts about Hill, I hope you can (at least try) to understand the point of view of those (like myself) who think Shaun Hill is significantly under-rated.
Setup/Release: Excellent.
“Decisive and quick release” is the gold standard in this category… and Hill has got it in spades. I think one could say this is his greatest strength. When Fisher made the move to go from Davis back to Hill, he cited this as the primary reason– Davis, as a young player, tended to hold on to the ball too long, and then when the play broke down, he’d try to make something happen with his feet. Hill is the opposite– he’s decisive, quick, and gets the ball OUT of there early… exactly what a veteran NFL QB is supposed to do.
Example: Rainbow to Britt for (30 or so) yards to Kenny Britt on the final drive of the Chargers game. (Yes, yes… this ended (of course) with Hill’s worst mistake as a Ram– but as even Fisher pointed out in his defense, he at least Hill GOT the team in position to win the game at the end). Anyway– on this pass to Britt, Hill throws with great anticipation, a rainbow which hangs in the air for what Tike Barber commented “seemed like 15 seconds!” Some may not be impressed, but I agree with Tiki– this was a GREAT throw.
RECAP: There are many, many examples of Hill’s decisive setup and release. Fisher chose him mainly for this reason, and Mike Martz said of Hill that he was impressed by his “speed of delivery and decision making” in games. Maybe the rainbow to Britt isn’t the “best” example of this trait, but my point is he plays with great ANTICIAPTION– he gets the ball out EARLY based on where his receiver WILL BE after his break.
Accuracy: Excellent
To me, Hill’s accuracy is on a par with Bradford’s… it’s just a different “kind” of accuracy. If you want to hit a soda can sitting on a fence from 30 yards away with a bullet, Sam Bradford’s your man. But Shaun Hill’s game is different… he “throws his receivers open.” IMHO, Hill does a fantastic job of placing the ball in a spot where his receiver has a chance to get the ball, even if he is being defended closely by quality NFL coverage.
EXAMPLES: There are many plays to choose from. For me, I still remember being impressed by Shaun Hill’s accuracy way back in preseason… his very last throw in the Cleveland game was an absolute STRIKE to Brian Quick… Quick was in the end zone, moving left, and Hill had to wait for him to get open and then threw the ball in a tight, tight window through a bunch of bodies where only Quick could get it…. Quick actually dropped it, but I remember thinking, that was the PERFECT throw in that situation.
But more typical of the “Shaun Hill type of accuracy” was his very first TD pass in preseason– an EARLY throw to Stedman Bailey, to his OUTSIDE shoulder, placed in the spot where only Bailey could get it, and the announcers (Holt and Faulk among them) raving about how well-placed the ball was.
RECAP: I did not take the time to “research” specifically plays from the regular season… but there are many of them. The key thing for me is how Hill throws early and to a spot where only his receiver can catch it. It may not be as pretty as other QB’s with a different style, who more routinely “zip it in there” in a tight window. But Hill’s early, well-timed, accurately placed throws can be deadly effective.
Arm Strength: Good.
Shaun Hill has more than adequate arm strength, he just does. I remember Fisher talking about how they would not need to adjust the playbook for Shaun after Bradford went down, specifically because Hill had enough arm strength to “make all the throws.”
Examples: Two plays stick out to me from the last WAS game. Hill’s first pass of the game: Rams are backed up on their own 16 yd line, 3rd down and 11 with 9:07 to go in the 1st Quarter. Hill goes back and just launches one to Jared Cook down the middle for a gain of 16. Hill put his whole body behind it and just cranked it, the ball came out (clichéd but this is what came to mind) like shot out of a cannon. Hill doesn’t always crank it like this– his throws are more about anticipation and timing– but when he NEEDS to, he CAN crank it. Also: On 1st and 15 with 3:20 left in the first half, Kenny Britt does his stop-and-go down the right sideline. Hill is rolling right, and a little off balance he “chucks” it deep to Britt for the successful completion. This is a standard Rams play that we’ve seen before… quite memorably, Austin Davis tried this play (also intended for Britt deep down the right sideline) against KC. I seem to remember Davis torqued his whole body and really made the effort to launch it, but the ball just died on him and it fell short for the interception.
RECAP: Shaun Hill has plenty of arm strength to be a winning NFL QB. Hill tailors his game so it’s more about good decision making and timing… but when he needs to crank it, he has the ability required.
Reading Defenses: Excellent
Again, IMHO this is one of Hill’s greatest strengths. Hill is a veteran who has LEARNED from his vast experience.
Examples: Below is a transcript of one of Jeff Fisher’s comments about Hill after the Raiders game:
(On how QB Shaun Hill maneuvered out of some plays to get the ball out quick and how much freedom and structure he has with getting the ball out quicker)
Fisher: “Well I think in most situations, with the exceptions of third down stuff. First and second down stuff quarterbacks have options, whether they’re run-run options or whether they’re run-pass options. That’s all built in. He took advantage of the built in options, but he also completely changed some things that actually worked out pretty well for us. As I said, our plan was to run the football and it wasn’t there so we had that little quick pass game option. Which in essence, in that case, is still a part of the running game, but it worked for us. It tended to soften some things up for us.”Keeping in mind Fisher’s comments, I re-watched the opening drive against the Raiders. (Hill was 4 for 4 for 50-some yards capped by a TD).
–After a Raider penalty to make it 1st and 5, Hill throws a completion to Harkey on his left for 8 yards and a first down.
–Next play was (I believe) initially a run-call. But when Hill saw that Tavon was on his left, lined up “stacked” behind Kenny Britt– and the Raiders D was playing too “soft”. To me, this was a prime example of Hill taking advantage of “the little quick pass game option” that was “in essence a part of the running game.” Hill made a quick “sight read” to just immediately pass to Austin with a Rams WR as a blocker in front of him– essentially like a handoff to Austin out wide in space. Austin picks up 6 yards.
–2nd and 4, with Austin lined up the same way, just on the opposite side, on the right, again “stacked” behind Kenny Britt. Raiders again did not respect it enough, so again Hill made them play– a sight-read quick-pass to Austin, who beats his man and picks up the first down. Move the chains, keep Austin involved, give him the ball quick and right away in space. Just seemed like a great veteran move on Hill’s part– if you keep giving us this play, we’ll keep taking it until you have to adjust.
–On the final play of the drive, Tavon Austin goes in motion and at the snap for a THIRD STRAIGHT TIME is lined up “stacked” behind an outside WR. The Rams had the PERFECT play call, Hill faked the third-straight quick-out to Tavon on his left, but then turned around and threw the screen to Mason on his right. The Raider MLB completely bit on the fake and took himself out of the play, and Mason rambled down the right sideline for the TD. Just great game management from Shaun Hill– take what the defense gives you, force them to adjust, and then execute the killer “counter” play. Schottenheimer and Hill obviously saw something on film about this, and they worked together to exploit it.
RECAP: To me, “reading defenses” is one thing I love about Shaun Hill– all the stuff we as fans DON’T see when it comes to game planning and in-game adjustments. I just trust that he is like an extra coach out there, and making smart decisions… the difference between winning and losing in the NFL is so small, and just a few plays based on savvy and experience can be crucial.
On the Move: Good Enough
Obviously Shaun Hill is no runner, but to me I think he has enough of that “sixth sense” of detecting where the rush is coming from and shifting/sliding in the pocket to extend plays. (BTW, this is my biggest concern about Bradford even when healthy– I just am concerned that Bradford is decidedly below-average in this department, he often looks slow as molasses when “evading” the rush… but that is a different conversation.)
EXAMPLE: The naked bootleg for the TD! The speed, the grace, the power… no, just kiddingthumbs up smiley… (though he CAN pick up yards if he needs to with his feet)
My real example: 3rd and 3 at their own 22yd. line, early in the 3rd quarter against the Denver Broncos. Rams were only up 13-7 at this point, and I think we as fans did NOT want the Rams to go 3-and-out and give Peyton Manning a short-field with the chance to take the lead. Anyway… Hill feels the pressure from the rush, and has to shift to his left, and kinda-while moving backwards and to his left throws a pass to Benny Cunningham’s outside shoulder (or hip) despite blanket coverage, and Rams gain 7 and keep the chains moving. The play-by-play announcer comments on the continued impressive play throughout the game thus far(“Hill continues to make good decisions”winking smiley, while Dan Fouts (a good evaluator of QB play, ya think?) raves that Hill’s throw is “tremendous.” I believe that Fisher also made particular note of this play after the game, as an example of how Shaun Hill has the ability to “extend plays.”
RECAP: Yes, as a runner Shaun Hill is no Colin Kaepernick. (embarrassed smileyHa– no comment). But as is required for pocket passers, Shaun Hill does have the knack for shifting and sliding in the pocket to extend plays when he needs to.
Intangibles– Excellent.
Obviously, this is subjective. But from what I’ve seen, I’d agree with some of Mike Martz’s recent comments about Hill– that Hill is “a winner”, a “tremendous leader,” and “the fiercest competitor on your football team.”
EXAMPLE: After the first half of the recent WAS game, Shaun Hill reportedly had a meeting to rally the offense, and in particular with Joe Barksdale, who had allowed Ryan Kerrigan to get into his head. (Apparently Corey Harkey lit into the team too). The point is, from all I’ve heard, Shaun Hill is a respected veteran who is not afraid to be vocal and call people out (if necessary) and do whatever it takes to be a leader.[Frankly, I remember hearing about this, but did not want to spend forever tracking down a link to “prove” my point… if some other poster can find a link –Rams43 mentioned this as well– feel free to help me out here!]
RECAP: For me, the “intangibles” is all about an emotional reaction to watching Shaun Hill at QB. There is just something in his play which inspires a quiet calm confidence. For me, I noticed it at halftime of the WAS game– despite the Rams clearly outplaying Washington, they were only up 6-0 as Jeff Wilkins right before halftime missed his THIRD straight kick. It would have been so easy, and predictable, for me to think “oh, here it is again, that same ugly pattern– Rams win, then lose, win, then lose. And they play well at the beginning, but then they blow it in the second half.” But Shaun Hill had driven the team to the ‘Skins 20 yard line at the end of the half, and–even though Wilkins looked scary unreliable– I just had a confidence that Shaun Hill would do his part to make smart decisions and he wouldn’t let adversity derail the offense, he’d keep the offense chugging along. Frankly, with both Davis (this year) and Bradford, during games I often have this uneasy feeling that the wheels “could” come off… but there is something about Hill that makes me think you are going to keep getting solid, smart, steady play throughout the game.
BOTTOM LINE
In my opinion, Shaun Hill has good enough mobility to extend plays, has good arm strength, has excellent accuracy and the ability to “throw receivers open”, and is superior in the three categories of Setup/Release, Reading Defenses, and Intangibles. IMHO, despite his casual “aw shucks” Kansas demeanor, he is a fierce, under-rated competitor who has been a WINNER whenever he’s been given the chance.
Hill does not have a “pretty” game– but that is what I find beautiful about it. Some of his passes may wobble, but they get to the right spot. And he does all those little veteran-things that help put his team in the right position. Maybe because Hill’s game is more cerebral and not as pretty, many posters look at his impressive over-90 passer rating and 3-1 record as a full-game starter and react with “yawn” and “ho-hum” and are inclined to look under rocks for any old FA QB who could just “replace” Hill. I just think Hill is a hugely under-rated asset for the Rams. I’m afraid we all might feel like Martz did after the 2008 season, when the 49ers started 2-6 with JT O’Sulllivan but finished 5-3 with Hill as QB…like Martz, we might look back and think “Hill should’ve been the starter all season” and wonder what might have been.
My only knock on Hill is his age– if he were 32, that would be awesome. But maybe after reading my two (longish) posts, at least some on here would at least understand my reasoning why I think the Rams should keep him– and consider giving Hill the keys to the car in 2015 and see how far he can drive this team. Given that Hill is a pocket passer who counts on quick decision-making, I think he should have at least 2 more good years left in him. (Heck, given his many years stuck as a backup he probably has less “wear” on him.)
And don’t just take my word for it– our old friends from the GSOT days seem to love him. Martz sings his praises; Kurt Warner recently gave Hill credit for being the “difference maker” for the Rams resurgent offense; I can still remember how Holt was gushing about Hill’s “tremendous” play during pre-season; D’Marco Farr is sky-high on him, too.
In closing, check out this cool (short 50-sec.) link to Marshall Faulk asking all NFL fans, “Who is the crafty veteran on your team?”
Faulk, with his enthusiastic style, talks about the experienced vet who does all those little things that help his team win– but doesn’t show up on the score sheet. IMHO, Shaun Hill can be that “crafty veteran,” a great leader for the young talent Snisher have stockpiled the last few years.
December 10, 2014 at 7:08 pm in reply to: reporters etc (including Warner) preview the ARIZONA game #13577
znModeratorRams-Cardinals: Matchup breakdown
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/14503/rams-cardinals-matchup-breakdown-2
EARTH CITY, Mo. — A look at three individual matchups to keep an eye on when the St. Louis Rams and Arizona Cardinals meet at 8:25 p.m. ET on Thursday.
Rams defensive tackle Michael Brockers vs. Cardinals left guard Ted Larsen/Jonathan Cooper
The Cardinals are banged up on the offensive line with Fanaika dealing with an ankle sprain since Week 13 and far from a certainty to play this week. If Fanaika is out, the normal left guard Ted Larsen will replace him on the right side forcing Cooper into the lineup. In fact, it’s probably a better bet that Cooper will make his second consecutive start. Cooper was the highly-touted guard prospect from North Carolina in 2013 who missed the season with a knee injury and has still be working his way to the starting lineup. Against Kansas City last week, Arizona coach Bruce Arians said Cooper was ‘OK’ but mentioned that he’d been pushed backwards about 10 times.
In Brockers, Cooper (or Larsen) would be drawing the most favorable matchup of any of the Cardinals offensive linemen. That’s not to say Brockers is a pushover so much as it’s better than having to deal with the likes of Robert Quinn and Aaron Donald. But Brockers has played much better in recent weeks, particularly against the run and he’s a big, powerful sort who could give the athletic but smaller Cooper some issues. The Cardinals are going to have their hands full upfront but their line has been much improved in 2014. Brockers versus Fanaika or Cooper isn’t the draw of other matchups upfront but it could be an important one in determining the outcome.
Rams cornerback E.J. Gaines vs. Cardinals receiver John Brown
The Rams defense is playing so well right now that it seems the only way to really beat them is to get a big play. Well, few players in the league have a knack for the big play like Brown. The Rams found that out first hand in the first meeting between the teams when Brown made a spectacular diving catch for a 48-yard touchdown that was ultimately the game winner. Brown has made a habit of those big plays in his rookie season though his production has tailed off a bit since that big catch against St. Louis.
The Rams, meanwhile, are getting much better production out of their secondary lately in part because they’re finally healthy. With Trumaine Johnson back, the Rams have been using Gaines as the starter at left cornerback but kicking him inside in the nickel. That’s where Gaines could see plenty of Brown this time around. Brown beat safety Rodney McLeod for the touchdown in Arizona but Gaines is a reliable cover type who hasn’t allowed many big plays this year.
It’s unlikely the Rams can continue to pitch shutouts but if they want another one, they’ll need Gaines to be on point against Brown.
Rams tight end Jared Cook vs. Cardinals safety Deone Bucannon
I wanted to avoid repeats from the first matchup here but I’m making an exception for this one considering Cook’s success against the Cardinals in that meeting. Cook had two catches for 84 yards and a touchdown in that game and Arizona continues to struggle to cover tight ends consistently.
Even before that, Cook had a big game in the 2013 season opener when he torched Arizona to the tune of seven catches for 141 yards and two touchdowns. He would have had three scores if not for an amazing play by Cardinals defensive back Tyrann Mathieu to force a fumble just before Cook crossed the goal line. Regardless, Arizona was one of the worst teams in the league last year defending tight ends which led directly to the selection of Bucannon.
Bucannon has been used primarily in the nickel and dime for the Cardinals but has flashed the potential to help in a variety of ways. He had his first career fumble recovery in Week 8 against Philadelphia and has 39 tackles and two passes defended so far in his rookie season. With Mathieu out because of a thumb injury and cornerback Antonio Cromartie battling an ankle issue, the Cardinals figure to have some question marks in the secondary. That could mean any plans to help slow Cook might have to be altered to help elsewhere.
December 10, 2014 at 7:07 pm in reply to: reporters etc (including Warner) preview the ARIZONA game #13576
znModeratorW2W4: St. Louis Rams
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/14500/w2w4-st-louis-rams-18
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams and the Arizona Cardinals kick off Week 15 on Thursday at the Edward Jones Dome. Kickoff is set for 8:25 p.m. ET on NFL Network.
Here are three things to watch from the Rams’ perspective:
1. Sacking Stanton: Arizona quarterback Drew Stanton has had his ups and downs since taking over for Carson Palmer, but all told he’s 4-3 as the starter. Still, Stanton’s home/road splits are pretty glaring and he’s entering an extremely difficult situation against a Rams’ pass rush that is every bit as ferocious right now as it was expected to be at the beginning of the season. The Rams have 34 sacks since Week 7, most in the league in that time and have seen their rank in total sacks go from last in the league to tied for seventh in that time. Making matters more complicated for Arizona is the fact Jonathan Cooper is still settling in as the starter at left guard with right guard Paul Fanaika and left tackle Jared Veldheer battling ankle injuries. Stanton is 3-0 with an 80.7 QBR at home but those numbers fall to 1-3 with a 34.2 QBR when the Cardinals travel.
2. Big-play chances: Quarterback isn’t the only position with a new look for the Cardinals since the Rams last played them. Arizona is dealing with even more injury issues in the secondary, having since lost Tyrann Mathieu to a thumb injury and cornerback Antonio Cromartie now dealing with an ankle issue. Mathieu is out for Thursday night and Cromartie’s situation is more unclear, but either way, it could open some opportunities for the Rams to make some big plays in the passing game. That’s been something quarterback Shaun Hill has done pretty well since he’s been starting. For the season, Hill is 13-of-27 on passes traveling at least 15 yards in the air for 369 yards, two touchdowns and one interceptions for a QBR of 98.3. Those big plays have often gone to receiver Kenny Britt in recent weeks, but tight end Jared Cook and receiver Stedman Bailey have also been in on the action. Arizona’s secondary had a big day against the Rams in the first meeting but with Hill under center, St. Louis should be better equipped to take care of the ball and make some plays in the passing game.
3. Stick to the formula: Speaking of taking care of the ball, I see no reason to change what’s working for the Rams in recent weeks. The formula isn’t hard to figure out. Don’t turn the ball over, take the ball away and you are in great position to win. The Rams didn’t have any turnovers in Washington last week and improved to 4-0 on the season when they don’t give it away. That’s not a coincidence. The defense, meanwhile, continues to come up with takeaways. Turnovers made the difference in the first meeting between these teams and ultimately landed Austin Davis a spot on the bench. If Hill can eliminate those mistakes, the Rams will be well positioned to get the win.
znModeratorWe’ve been through this before. I’ve posted about how Fisher’s Titans teams get boiled down to their raw averages, when in fact, they tend to peak for a few years then valley then peak again.
Using raw averages without context always distorts things.
So for example, is he a .462 coach to start a season?
Not if you look.
What about their 1st 4 games, every season?
1995. 2-2 to start, 7-9 season.
1996. 2-2 to start, 8-8 season.
1997. 1-3 to start, 8-8 season.
1998. 1-3 to start, 8-8 season.
1999. 3-1 to start, 13-3 season.
2000. 3-1 to start, 13-3 season.
2001. 1-3 to start, 7-9 season.
2002. 1-3 to start, 11-5 season.
2003. 3-1 to start, 12-4 season.2004. 1-3 to start, 5-11 season.
2005. 1-3 to start, 4-12 season.
2006. 0-4 to start, 8-8 season.
2007. 3-1 to start, 10-6 season.
2008. 4-0 to start, 13-3 season2009. 0-4 to start, 8-8 season.
2010. 2-2 to start, 6-10 season.When his team peaks (1999-2003 & 2007-8) his avg. record in the first 4 games is 2.6 to 1.4, or 65%, not 46%.
Should it take less time that 4 years to get a team up and winning?
Well once he did it in 4, and once he did it in 3.
This time he seems to be doing it in 4.
Does that to me really question him as a head coach?
No. It took Noll 4. Shrug.
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znModeratorOne interesting PFF stat.
Hill is ranked 3rd in accuracy percentage under pressure.
This ranking includes only qbs who have thrown 100 or more passes.
znModeratorUnrest Over Race Is Testing Obama’s Legacy
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and MICHAEL D. SHEAR
DEC. 8, 2014http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/us/politics/unrest-over-race-is-testing-obamas-legacy-.html?_r=0
WASHINGTON — As crowds of people staged “die-ins” across the country last week to protest the deaths of unarmed black men at the hands of police officers, young African-American activists were in the Oval Office lodging grievances with President Obama.
He of all people — the first black president of the United States — was in a position to testify to the sense of injustice that African-Americans feel in dealing with the police every day, the activists told him. During the unrest that began with a teenager’s shooting in Ferguson, Mo., they hoped for a strong response. Why was he holding back?
Mr. Obama told the group that change is “hard and incremental,” a participant said, while reminding them that he had once been mistaken for a waiter and parking valet. When they said their voices were not being heard, Mr. Obama replied, “You are sitting in the Oval Office, talking to the president of the United States.”
For Rasheen Aldridge Jr., 20, a community organizer from St. Louis who attended the meeting, it was not enough. “It hurt that he didn’t seem to want to go out there and acknowledge that he understands our pain,” Mr. Aldridge said in an interview. “It would be a great mark on his presidential legacy if he would come out and touch an issue that everyone is scared to touch.”
But Mr. Obama has not been the kind of champion for racial justice that many African-Americans say this moment demands. In the days since grand juries in Missouri and Staten Island decided not to bring charges against white police officers who had killed unarmed black men, the president has not stood behind the protesters or linked arms with civil rights leaders. Although those closest to Mr. Obama insist that he feels a new urgency to capitalize on the attention to racial divisions, few dispute that he is personally conflicted and constrained by the position he holds.
“We are really on a precipice of either going in the right direction or entrenching a very perilous racial divide in this country, so I think he’s trying to harness that and tread very carefully,” said Janai Nelson, associate director-counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc. “This is a phenomenal opportunity for him to create a lasting legacy in an area that has plagued African-Americans in particular for decades.”
For his six years in the White House, aides say, Mr. Obama has been hyperconscious that he is the president of everyone and has sought to avoid defining himself or his agenda on the basis of race. Although he did address the 2012 shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, Trayvon Martin, in personal terms, Mr. Obama rose to national prominence with a 2004 Democratic National Convention speech in which he cast himself as the product of a broad American experience, a place where “there is not a black America and a white America.”
The son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya has struggled with questions about his own racial identity — described in his book “Dreams From My Father” — but Mr. Obama is by nature cool and cerebral and rarely shows emotion in public.
Yet in an interview with Black Entertainment Television that aired Monday night, Mr. Obama suggested that critics who say he has not been sufficiently outspoken in response to the deaths in Ferguson and Staten Island have their facts wrong or are expecting something he cannot deliver as president.
“I’m being pretty explicit about my concern, and being pretty explicit about the fact that this is a systemic problem, that black folks and Latinos and others are not just making this up,” Mr. Obama said, referring to his response to the killings in Ferguson and on Staten Island, where Eric Garner, 43, died after a police officer restrained him with a chokehold. People may be frustrated that he has not taken sides in the cases, Mr. Obama said, but “that I cannot do, institutionally.” He hinted that in private, his reactions have been stronger.
“I’ll leave it to people to speculate on what I’m saying to myself or Michelle when we’re alone at night,” the president said.
White House advisers say addressing the nation’s racial conflicts is now an imperative for the president’s final years in office. “What’s different about right now is that the president of the United States is committing that he intends to make progress on this issue,” Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to the president, said in an interview last week. “We have an opportunity now, with the American people — not just in Ferguson or in New York, but across the country.”
Mr. Obama has stepped up some of his rhetoric. In a huddle with Ms. Jarrett and Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr. in the Oval Office last month, the president ripped up the beginning of a speech he was about to give on immigration and added a pledge to advocates for change that “your president will be right there with you.”
His administration has also pushed for sentencing guidelines that are more fair to African-Americans, reached out to young black men with the “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative and created a task force to address tensions between black Americans and law enforcement agents. A number of civil rights leaders, however, say the president has not done enough.
“People appreciate the fact that he heightened the public awareness of this by making statements and making sure that the attorney general has been present,” said Tanya Clay House, the director of public policy for the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. But, she said, “there’s a desire to push the administration further.”
At this point, Mr. Obama’s response to Ferguson, Staten Island and the unrest across the country has diminished his image with important groups, according to new polling figures. Half the respondents in a Pew Research Center survey conducted Wednesday to Sunday disapproved of the president’s handling of race relations, compared with 40 percent who approved — a reversal from August, when 48 percent approved and 42 percent disapproved. While the majority of African-Americans still said the president had handled race relations well, support among them had dropped 16 points since polling in the summer.
For now, civil rights leaders continue to lobby Ms. Jarrett and other White House aides to pressure the president into seizing on the post-Ferguson anger. But Mr. Obama is limited in how directly he can engage. He sent representatives to the funeral of Michael Brown, the 18-year-old shot in Ferguson, and the youth’s parents said they thought it was better for Mr. Obama not to pay his respects in person rather than risk creating more chaos.
In Ms. Jarrett’s view, Mr. Brown’s death has unleashed a new energy among Americans on an issue that Mr. Obama is ready to embrace. During the Oval Office meeting last week, she said, the president urged the young activists to accept incremental steps even as they fight for more sweeping change.
“Shoot for the sky,” Ms. Jarrett said he had told them, “but ‘better’ is good.”
Because of an editing error, an article on Tuesday about President Obama’s addressing the country’s racial conflicts omitted part of a quotation, and in so doing altered the context. In quoting the president, Valerie Jarrett, one of his senior advisers, said that he told young activists in a meeting last week to “shoot for the sky,” adding, “but ‘better’ is good.” He did not say only “Shoot for the sky.” The article also paraphrased incorrectly from Ms. Jarrett’s comment about the protests surrounding the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. She said his death has unleashed a new energy among Americans, not among African-Americans.
znModeratorI expect another brutal hard-fought NFC West type division game.
They had them last time but melted down. I expect more “had them” and less “melt down” this time.
I expect the Rams to score on them, and this really is the big statement game for the born-again defense.
December 10, 2014 at 2:27 am in reply to: stats from the Washington shut-out & more stats too #13546
znModeratorfrom a “fan blog” article by Nathan Kearns
http://ramblinfan.com/2014/12/08/quick-thoughts-st-louis-rams-win-washington-redskins/
There have been six shutouts in the NFL this season. Two of those belong to the St. Louis Rams, who are the only ones to accomplish the feat on the road this season. With his players finally acclimated to his defense scheme, Gregg Williams is having his way with opposing offenses. Yesterday, the Redskins were 3-for-15 on 3rd/4th down conversion attempts, and managed only 206 total yards on 55 plays. Moreover, the Rams won the turnover battle for the third time in four games, including finishing with a +2 or higher turnover differential for the second-consecutive week.
3. Speaking of turnovers, the majority of those takeaways this season are coming from interceptions (12); a stark turnaround from last season where fumble recoveries were king. After T.J. McDonald snagged a Colt McCoy pass in the second half yesterday, every member of the Rams starting secondary unit has nabbed an interception this season. In fact, aside from McDonald, the other four “starters” (McLeod, Jenkins, Gaines, and Johnson) each have at least two picks on the season. As a result, the Rams are currently tied for 10th in the league in takeaways, and rank in that same spot in overall turnover differential on the year (+4).
4. However, takeaways is not the only area that the St. Louis Rams are ranked highly in this season. After starting off with a historically-low one total sack in the opening five games of the season, the St. Louis Rams are currently tied for 7th-most in the NFL (35). The Rams unyielding pass rush has managed 18.0 sacks in the last four games, more than Atlanta (14) and Cincinnati (15) have amassed all season. The Rams are also tied for the league-lead in interceptions returned for touchdowns this year, and are one of only eight teams with 3 or more defensive scores on the year. Lastly, the Rams are allowing only 37.8% of third down conversion attempts to be completed (9th), and are the only team in the NFL that hasn’t allowed a successful fourth-down conversion attempt this season (min. five attempts against)
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