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znModeratorPlenty of options for the Rams, but drafting a quarterback remains most intriguing
By Luke Thompson
FOX Sports MidwestST. LOUIS — The Rams have many needs to address, but it’s the potential quarterback quandary that looks most interesting as the 2015 NFL Draft creeps closer.
Coach Jeff Fisher and new offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti recently reinforced their faith in Sam Bradford, who still appears to be on track to return as the starter for the final year of his contract. But that doesn’t mean they’re not dedicated to finding a more reliable backup in case Bradford regresses or suffers a season-ending injury for the third straight year.
Unfortunately for St. Louis, quality options may be hard to find in a class NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock says is especially thin at quarterback and safety. He also called quarterback the toughest position to evaluate by far, particularly with the proliferation of spread offenses in the college game.
“When you watch them in the frame of their offense, they’ve got a long way to go to become pocket quarterbacks,” he said in a conference call Monday afternoon. “You want to say they’re going to need a redshirt year. What they really need are live snaps as opposed to the seven-on-seven in practice.”
General manager Les Snead shared similar sentiments with reporters last month, noting the difficulties of learning “a different language.” But despite those issues, the Rams should still take serious looks at quarterbacks such as UCLA’s Brett Hundley and Baylor’s Bryce Petty at this week’s NFL Scouting Combine.
Those two are generally regarded as the top two prospects after Florida State’s Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, both of whom figure to be gone before St. Louis makes the 10th overall pick. Ourlads general manager and national scout Dan Shonka says even if Mariota falls to the Rams, they may be better served trying to make a trade with Philadelphia, which is a much better fit for Mariota thanks to former Oregon coach Chip Kelly.
St. Louis could use its first-round pick to fill an immediate need on the offensive line depending on how free agency shakes out. Greg Robinson will play left tackle moving forward, but right tackle Joe Barksdale will be an unrestricted free agent and it’s still unclear whether veteran left tackle Jake Long will return from his season-ending ACL surgery.
Shonka says standout offensive linemen are hard to find this year, but several decent options should be available. Mayock likes Miami tackle Ereck Flowers, and Stanford’s Andrus Peat, Texas A&M’s Cedric Ogbuehi and Iowa’s Brandon Scherff are all first-round possibilities.
Although Shonka joins a long list of analysts to point out the Rams need to first find a way to get more out of former No. 8 overall pick Tavon Austin, another receiver could also be a potential target. Mayock says this year’s class has some quality talent, and Shonka notes West Virginia’s 6-foot-3 wideout Kevin White could provide a different look, especially if free agent Kenny Britt doesn’t re-sign with St. Louis.
“I think there are reasons in today’s NFL why rookie wide receivers can come in and play well early,” Mayock said. “These kids have been used to catching the ball forever.
“Everything is a pass-first league now. Number two, with the emphasis on the five-yard rule, the smaller wideouts are getting off press coverage. Finally, the big-bodied wideouts, they don’t really have to be route runners. With the advent of the back shoulder throw, they can be productive Day One.”
He sees three consensus top 20 picks in White, Alabama’s Amari Cooper and Louisville’s DeVante Parker. Beyond that, the Rams or anyone else would be taking on a lot more risk at the position.
Unlike past seasons, they’ll have less room for error with an NFL-low five picks, not including any compensatory selections. A midseason trade to Tampa Bay for safety Mark Barron gave away St. Louis’ fourth- and sixth-round picks, though of course another trade to gain more could be a possibility.
Based on the Rams’ recent history with Fisher and Snead, all options are on the table.
znModeratorSigh.
And the beat goes on.
znModeratorCould 2015 NFL draft class make dominant rookie receivers the norm?
Jim Corbett, USA TODAY Sports
Last year’s NFL draft produced a bumper crop of wide receivers, a group that produced at an unprecedented level as rookies.
Yet it may not prove an outlier. The class waiting in the wings could provide quite an encore and will offer an early glimpse of its potential when the players strut their speed and hands for team evaluators at next week’s NFL scouting combine.
Receivers seem to be catching on more quickly given the proliferation of pro-style college offenses, seven-on-seven offseason passing camps and fierce competition among themselves. In 2014, offensive rookie of the year Odell Beckham Jr., of the New York Giants, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ Mike Evans and Carolina Panthers’ Kelvin Benjamin became the first trio of rookies ever to eclipse 1,000 receiving yards in one season.
Hall-of-Fame wideout James Lofton trained Evans last year in San Diego at Whitfield Football, which is run by quarterback guru George Whitfield Jr., Lofton cites other factors that enabled Evans, a former high school basketball player, to bloom at a position where rookies have historically struggled with route running and coping with press coverage.
“Offensive coordinators are more flexible, more willing to take chances than 20-25 years ago,” Lofton told USA TODAY Sports. “The rules are tilted toward offense, receivers specifically.”
It helps that spread passing attacks often replace old-school run games, maximizing receivers who separate with quickness or physicality.
“They’re trying to spread the ball and get it more into receivers’ hands,” continued Lofton. “The physical skills — from a 5-9 guy like T.Y. Hilton of the Indianapolis Colts to a 6-5 guy like Mike — there’s no one body type that limits success.”
Despite missing four games with a hamstring injury, Beckham caught 91 passes for 1,305 yards with 12 touchdowns. Evans also caught 12 touchdowns, snaring 68 passes for 1,051 yards. Benjamin finished with 73 catches for 1,008 yards and nine touchdowns.
This year’s class is headlined by Heisman Trophy finalist Amari Cooper of Alabama, West Virginia’s Kevin White, Louisville’s DeVante Parker, Arizona State’s Jaelen Strong, Oklahoma’s Dorial Green-Beckham, Phillip Dorsett of Miami (Fla.), Ohio State’s Devin Smith and Auburn’s Sammie Coates.
“It’s a tremendous group,” NFL Network chief draft analyst Mike Mayock told USA TODAY Sports. “Their physical traits are comparable to last year’s group.”
The 6-3, 210-pound White, who had 109 receptions for 1,447 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2014, is Mayock’s top receiving prospect. How does he rate next to the Buffalo Bills’ Sammy Watkins (fourth overall), Evans (seventh) and Beckham (12th), the top three wideouts to come off the board last year?
“Kevin White is a gifted kid who would fit right in there with that group,” said Mayock. “This year, White is a top-10 pick.”
A former Giants safety, Mayock now sees the players displaying sophisticated skills it once took several years to develop.
“Start with college and high school football, where everything is pass-first,” Mayock said. “They’re catching 80, 90 balls a year, especially in the Big 12.
“With all these spread offenses, kids are used to being targeted 10-15 times a game.”
And the popularity of back-shoulder throws has emboldened quarterbacks to trust more explosive receivers to win jump balls. Last season’s emphasis on defensive holding also helped enable smaller targets, like Arizona Cardinals third-round speedster John Brown, to get into their patterns and scorch defenders deep.
“The fear of getting beaten up and mugged after 5 yards has gone away,” Mayock said. “So these smaller, quicker receivers can run routes with impunity.”
And with athletic freaks who can pluck it like Beckham — his three-fingered, fallaway TD against the Dallas Cowboys will live forever on highlight reels — the position is rising in terms of importance as a draft day priority.
“When I first made the catch, I didn’t know the magnitude of it,” Beckham said after receiving his rookie of the year hardware during Super Bowl week.
“This is a great class that I came in with. Part of the reason why I wanted to come out was so I could be included in this class of fully loaded, talented guys. I watched pretty much every rookie just to see what they were doing, not to just compare myself, but just because we are all in the same class and will all be remembered.”
Unless the 2015 rookies make this a trend rather than an anomaly.
znModeratorMonday Morning Quarterback
Mon Feb. 16, 2015
Welcome to the Combine
A blip on the NFL calendar a decade ago, the annual showcase of prospects has turned into a money-making circus watched by millions. Draft guru Mike Mayock explains the popularity boom and shares five storylines he’ll follow in Indianapolis
By Peter King
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/16/nfl-combine-mike-mayock-draft-prospects/5/
It’s that time of year—the 2015 football season is about to begin.
Over the past decade or so, since the NFL combine has gotten so much traction in this football-crazed country, I always think of combine week as the beginning of the new season. There will be medical meetings and competition committee meetings early in the week in Indianapolis, and then on Wednesday, coaches and GMs and scouts will gather to begin the process of medical exams, player interviews and on-field workouts for the 323 college prospects at the combine. Those workouts will be Friday through Monday this year, starting at 9 a.m. ET daily, beginning a day earlier than usual in the NFL’s attempt to—guess what—improve TV ratings.
It’s always amazed me how combine-nutty so many people inside and outside the sport are. But ratings and the audience were up 60 percent in 2014 over 2010 numbers on NFL Network, and the ratings have climbed on ESPN too. The other day I asked NFL Network draft guru Mike Mayock, the cornerstone combine expert in the business, why he thinks the four-day event has become such an extravaganza.
“I have figured it out finally,” Mayock said from his home outside Philadelphia, taking a break from tape-watching and working the phones on prospects. “The first year we did the combine, it was me and Paul Burmeister, nobody else. My dad is a college offensive line coach, and so we do the first day, and it’s all the offensive linemen, and I call home to talk to my dad, to see what he thought of it. He said, ‘Son, after the first seven minutes, I had to turn that s— off.’
“So, I thought people would never watch it. But with that as a backdrop, I think there’s three things that have gotten people into it over the years. One: There’s a crossover audience, of college football fans and pro football fans. The college football fans want to see how their guys are doing matched up against the best guys from around the country. The pro football fans want to be introduced to the players they’re going to be watching. Two: NFL fans, especially fantasy football fans, want to compare one receiver to another, or one quarterback to another. I’m amazed how much I hear that from fans. Three: I think people love to see players without helmets and pads on. To see a 270-pound man run a 4.6 40-yard dash, viscerally, is a really cool thing to see.”
“The first year we did the combine, I called my dad to see what he thought,” Mayock says. “He said, ‘Son, after the first seven minutes, I had to turn that s— off.’”
I asked Mayock for the storylines he’ll be watching.
1. Who will challenge Chris Johnson’s combine-record 4.24-second 40-yard dash?
“Three wide receivers have a different gear,” Mayock said. They are:
Phillip Dorsett, considered one of the fastest prospects in the draft, also ran track at Miami. (Joel Auerbach/Getty Images)Phillip Dorsett, considered one of the fastest prospects in the draft, also ran track at Miami. (Joel Auerbach/Getty Images)• Phillip Dorsett, Miami, 5-10, 183. “The first time I put in tape of him, all I could think of was Mike Wallace running around the Senior Bowl,” Mayock said. “He was under the radar until people saw him run. I asked him his goal for the combine, and he said, ‘4.3 or better.’ You know, 4.3, 4.28 is world-class speed.”
• Devin Smith, Ohio State, 6-3, 190. Smith may have been the biggest playmaker in the country in 2014, with 33 catches for a 28.2-yard average and 12 touchdowns.
• Sammie Coates, Auburn, 6-2, 213. “Biggest of the three, a real specimen,” said Mayock. “I don’t think he catches the ball as naturally as the other two. I want to see how naturally he can catch it.”
2. Which of the big guys will shine athletically?
“In 2011,” said Mayock, “J.J. Watt was 291 pounds, ran his 40 in 4.91, jumped 37 inches, and his short-shuttle/three-cone times were consistent with the wide receivers and defensive backs. To me, that performance was freakier than Chris Johnson running a 4.24. There’s one of those at most combines. Who’s it going to be?”
Two candidates: Arik Armstead, a 6-7, 297-pound defensive end from Oregon, and Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma’s 6-6, 336-pound nosetackle. “I can’t wait to see them run 10-yard dashes [the first 10 yards of their 40s],” Mayock said. “That’s the important time for those guys.”
3. Who are the boom-or-bust guys in this draft?
Phillips, for one. Said Mayock: “Back surgery two years ago, only started 16 games in college, but he’s a dancing bear, and he’ll probably go in the first round.” Then there’s the “poster child for boom or bust—Dorial Green-Beckham,” Mayock said. Green-Beckham played two seasons at Missouri, was arrested on marijuana charges twice at Missouri, was dismissed from the team in April 2014, transferred to Oklahoma, was not granted eligibility for the 2014 season, then declared for the draft last month. At 6-5 and 225 pounds, he can run a 4.4 40-yard dash, and some team just might risk a low first-round pick on him. “I watched every target to him in 2013, and he has no idea what he’s doing, but he changes games,” said Mayock. Finally, another tall pass-catcher, the 6-5, 230-pound Devin Funchess of Michigan. Might be a big receiver, a la Kelvin Benjamin, or an athletic tight end who can put on 15 pounds. We’ll see.
4. Who is an intriguing player NFL teams just can’t figure out?
The LB Who Couldn’t Hit
Washington’s Shaq Thompson spent the past three seasons proving he’s capable of just about anything on the football field; he’s a likely first-round pick in this year’s draft. But the first time he went pro, as a centerfielder, he proved to be anything but a can’t-miss prospect, Emily Kaplan writes.
Washington outside linebacker/inside linebacker/strong safety/running back Shaq Thompson. Our Emily Kaplan profiled him last week, and the interesting thing is that Thompson played professional baseball, ignominiously, in the Red Sox system before turning his full attention to football. This ignomiously: He was 0-for-39 as a professional hitter, with 37 strikeouts. “I didn’t know that!” Mayock said. “That’s a great story!”
“I’ve talked to six or eight evaluators in the last few days about Thompson,” said Mayock. “Two like him as a running back, two as a safety, and most as a linebacker.”
Thompson actually could be one of those hybrid safety/linebackers that Todd Bowles used with such great impact in Arizona last year—strong safety on first down, a nickel linebacker rushing some and covering some on second and third downs.
5. A chance to see through the fog at quarterback.
Mayock: “It’s not a good quarterback class. I’m scared to death of Jameis Winston off the field, and I’m scared to death of how many interceptions he throws. He threw seven interceptions against Louisville and Florida, and could have been 12 or 13 if the other teams could catch the ball. But most quarterbacks come out of the spread now, and they’re projections, like Marcus Mariota. I love so much about Mariota, but he is a projection. I’m much more comfortable projecting Winston, even with the interceptions, because he was a pocket guy at Florida State. And his ability to win games in the second half is mind-boggling.”
As for who’s number three, Mayock says, at least today, that would be UCLA’s Brett Hundley or Baylor’s Bryce Petty. “I have significant concerns about both of them,” he said. “I like Petty’s arm, accuracy and size, but he has no idea how to play in the pocket, from what I saw.”
I plan to have a few further thoughts on Winston, who is entering a vital week for his draft status, in my Tuesday column.
Washington’s Danny Shelton is drawing comparisons to space-eating Raven Haloti Ngata. (Getty Images/AP) Washington’s Danny Shelton (right) is drawing comparisons to space-eating Raven Haloti Ngata. (Getty Images/AP)
Mayock likes comparing players he’s seeing now to players he’s seen in the past. NFL Network has cataloged all players at the combine since 2003, and when an apt comparison surfaces from something Mayock sees or from the composite workout of a player, that comparison will be illustrated on air.
A few comparisons Mayock sees now, before the workouts:
Defensive tackle Leonard Williams, USC :: Richard Seymour.
Nose tackle Danny Shelton, Washington :: Haloti Ngata.
Safety/linebacker/running back Shaq Thompson, Washington :: Deone Bucannon.
Outside linebacker Dante Fowler, Florida :: Justin Houston.
Wide receiver Phillip Dorsett, Miami :: Mike Wallace.
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It should be an illuminating week in Indianapolis. For The MMQB, I’ll be there, along with Jenny Vrentas, Robert Klemko and Emily Kaplan, and videographer John DePetro. Andy Staples also will be there, working on a couple of things for The MMQB, SI and SI.com. And photographer Todd Rosenberg will be with us, capturing the players and the flavor of the combine. Follow along here, and on Instagram and Twitter.
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Requiem for a heavyweight.Dave Goldberg died last week at 73. There’s a good chance you didn’t know Goldberg, even if you were a big football fan. That’s because, most often, Goldberg’s best stories would appear in your hometown newspaper without his name on them, because he wrote for the Associated Press. Such as this preview of the Super Bowl 27 years ago:
SAN DIEGO (AP)—For the second straight year, the Super Bowl comes down to John Elway against the world, the world this year being the Washington Redskins rather than the New York Giants. Is there anyone else on the Broncos besides their quarterback?
That’s called “foreshadowing.” Goldberg was good at that.
Washington 42, Denver 10.
Today, Twitter has become the wire-service feed. I follow writers for all NFL teams, as well as national writers and multimedia people. So for the past six years, that has become my Associated Press. But for years, and through the 25 years he was the AP’s lead pro football writer (1984-2009), Dave Goldberg and his APbrethren were my news feed for the NFL. I knew he would give me the facts I needed to know, laced with some smart leanings, but never a hit-over-the-head opinion, because that’s not what wire services did. They reported facts. Then you decided what you thought about the facts. Remember those days?
Goldberg never minded. Like so many of his colleagues with the wire services, he never got in it to see his name in the newspaper. He got in it to cover the big story, and the mundane story. That’s what reporting is. And he was terrific at it. I’d see him over the years alone with the biggest newsmakers in the game, in a sidebar after a press conference with Paul Tagliabue, walking down the hall with Jerry Jones at a league meeting, sidling up to Peyton Manning after a game. And he did it fast, and with smart, good writing. When I’d cover a big 1 p.m. Giants game back in the ’80s for Newsday, Goldberg would write his AM game story and his “PM-er,” the story for the Monday afternoon dailies with quotes, and he’d waltz out of the press box by 6:30 or so, done for the day, and I’d read his stories late night and invariably I’d wish I had one of his quotes or factoids in what I’d written as a beat man.
As he got older, Goldberg became one of the wise owls in the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection meetings. Unemotional, fact-based, very smart. He wouldn’t rail at much, really. But he did not like clichés. At all. Such as this one: future Hall of Famer. “Future Hall of Famer,” he’d grouse. “If every guy who was a future Hall of Famer became a real Hall of Famer, we’d have to put 50 guys in every year!”
I’ll really miss the guy.
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The new NFL chief health and medical adviser to make her debut at the combine.
Dr. Nabel (Steven Senne/AP)Dr. Elizabeth Nabel (Steven Senne/AP)Dr. Elizabeth Nabel, appointed by the NFL last Monday to be the league’s first chief health and medical adviser overseeing all league medical affairs, will be at the combine to meet with the league’s various medical committees and trainers and executives. Nabel will continue as president of Boston’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital and as a professor of medicine at Harvard.
As to why the position isn’t a full-time job, the NFL’s senior vice president of health and safety policy, Jeff Miller, said: “We were looking for a consultant. We have found that mode works very well for us. In this case, she will begin to listen and learn at the combine. She’ll evaluate the work for our medical committees. She’ll study our concussion protocols. She’ll form opinions on what we can do better … Basically, we haven’t had one person to look at the whole of what we are doing to make our game as safe as possible, and we think she is an outstanding person to do that.”
Miller said Nabel’s name came up often as the league looked for a medical expert with a diverse background in a very complicated field—as well as someone accustomed to being a boss of smart and high-achieving people. “You don’t get to run Brigham and Women’s if you don’t know how to herd cats,” NFL consultant and brain-trauma expert Robert Cantu told the Boston Globe.
“She runs one of the finest hospitals in the world,” said Miller. “She has the breadth of experience we wanted, and so much perspective on modern health care. She uses her strategic sense to move health care forward.”
One immediate focus for Nabel, at least in the eyes of fans and teams, will be to examine the league’s concussion-diagnosis protocols and see if the NFL has it right. In the Patriots’ Super Bowl victory, Julian Edelman returned to play despite appearing shaken up after a fourth-quarter collision. He has declined comment about it since the game, including to The New York Times on Sunday. But with the emphasis on head trauma and long-term effects of hits to the head, there should be a crystal-clear policy on when players can return, and what precisely constitutes a concussion or a hit severe enough to bar a player from returning to a game. The policy has gotten better, but the cloudiness of the Edelman story makes it obvious the league still has a job to finish there.
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We’re having a Tweetup in Indianapolis this week.A Tweetup, for those who haven’t been to one, is an informal meeting of people who, theoretically, have encountered one another on Twitter. For the past six years in Indianapolis, some of my readers/followers/hecklers have come to a public place or bar when the combine is in town, and I’ve brought some of my media friends, and we talk football for a while. This year, we’re changing things up a bit.
Where: Sun King Brewing Co., 135 North College Ave., Indianapolis (about seven blocks from downtown).
When: Friday, 7:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m.
Tickets: $10. Yes, this used to be free. We decided to charge this year, with all ticket money going to Thrive360 (formerly Kids Against Hunger of Central Indiana), a group that packs meals for the needy and the hungry. You must be 21 or older to attend. Beer will be sold at the event. Buy your tickets here.Follow me on Twitter, and when I know more details about the event, I’ll pass them along. Hope to see you there.
znModeratorAbout this trading down thing. That’s something you do in a deep draft. This is not one of them.
Correct me if I’m wrong. You always know more about drafts than I do. But. I thought this draft was still very deep at a lot of key positions from the mid-1st through the 3rd rounds, but it wasn’t as stellar at the top–what isn’t deep, in other words, is the top players (unlike last year which was a great draft at the top.)
If it’s true that it has decent depth in the next tier AFTER the frontline, elite players then isn’t trading down okay?
I know I posted an article in this thread that says otherwise, but I also keep reading things like this:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/12/7381411/2015-nfl-draft-top-100-jameis-winston-marcus-mariota
The overall depth is what may keep this class afloat. Of the top 50, half are offensive players and the other half are on defense. This class may lack in quarterbacks, but on offense it makes up for it in running backs, wide receivers and tackles. It’s also heavy in pass rushers. This list features 20 players who are college defensive ends.
znModeratorTime to give those young guys a chance!
Agreed.
And now for some random mixed thoughts.
Some examples.
Right now the Rams have 141+ M counting against a cap that is supposed to be 140 M. But that’s before they make any moves–and they have a lot of moves they can make. By a lot of moves, I mean way beyond the obvious. Also, that’s before counting the 3 M in credit they get from Finnegan’s contract in 2015.
Right now they have just under 90 M counting against the 2016 cap, which is supposed to be around 150 M. And that’s before they make the moves I just mentioned (some 2015 moves they can make will impact the 2016 cap). Now why is 2016 cap space significant in 2015? Because the way the Rams write deals, they frontload–but they put a large portion of the frontloaded deal into the 2nd year, not the 1st year. That means they can use 2016 space to accomplish things in 2015.
And, the Rams have maxed out on expensive FAs anyway, which is fine. If you look at repeat playoff teams, they do not go on big FA spending sprees. They keep it within bounds. In terms of FAs, Rams really only need one–an interior lineman (center or guard). Anything else would be gravy.
One final point. Wagoner says they had no carry over. Okay. But that doesn’t mean much, since the Rams frontload so heavily. That is, they use the present year to keep space free in future years. The fact that they can adjust the cap on a moment’s notice with a few painless moves means that the frontloading is flexible, too.
So the Rams will always LOOK like they are up against the cap, but then if you look closer, they’re actually not.
znModeratorHow does the 2015 NFL draft stack up talent wise? note: this is written from a Miami Dolphins perspective
Each NFL draft has a different feel, a divergent strength, a distinct favor.
Some are top heavy with a decent amount of elite prospects (that was the case last year). Some have a good amount of quarterbacks (2004) or receivers (2014), and some have good depth in the later rounds (2013 was pretty solid).
Because I don’t watch college football I’m usually late to the party when it comes to analyzing the talent available in the upcoming NFL draft. I’m knee deep in it now and so far I’ve been pretty disappointed with the 2015 draft class.
It is too early to say how many elite talents this draft features (we need to wait for the combine and pro days), but I can say I don’t see three rookies making the Pro Bowl like last year.
Here’s how the draft stacks up by position in my opinion.
There are two decent starter worthy quarterbacks in Jameis Winston, who clearly has the IT intangible, but a troubling character makeup, and Marcus Mariota, who runs a gimmicky offense, but reminds me a lot of Ryan Tannehill. Outside of those two quarterbacks, who will likely be taken in the first round, there are three more (Brett Hundley, Garrett Grayson, and Bryce Petty) worthy of a day-three selection. The rest is filler.
Tailback is probably the most impressive position in this draft because 10 are projected as talents worthy of being selected in the top three rounds. And another 20 should be drafted, or become priority rookie free agents. Teams in need of cheap labor at tailback should be able to feast….
The receiver position, which is highlighted by Amari Cooper, Kevin White, DaVante Parker and Dorial Green-Beckham is solid. However, anyone expecting Sammy Watkins will be disappointed. They should all be first rounders and solid NFL starters. And then there will be decent options like Sammie Coates, Devin Smith, Jamison Crowder, Phillip Dorsett, Rashad Greene, Breshad Perriman and Justin Hardy who will be available in the later rounds. However, if you’re expecting to get decent receivers in day three (maybe Stefon Diggs) you’ll likely come up empty. Expect a day two run on this position.
This draft also features just two starter worthy tight ends in Minnesota’s Maxx Williams and UM’s Clive Walford, but that likely depends on how you view Devin Funchess, the big receiver from Michigan who is projected as a top 50 talent.
The depth of this draft can be found at offensive tackle (six presently have first-round grades) and pass rushers (nine defensive ends or pass rushing outside linebackers could be taken in the first round). If your team needs one of these – unfortunately neither are priority positions for the Dolphins, but you can never truly have enough – this is the draft for you. I personally like three centers – FSU’s Cameron Erving, Oregon’s Hroniss Grasu and Auburn’s Reese Dismuke – and a couple of guards (A.J. Cann, Tre Jackson, Ali Marpet).
Defensive tackle provides a mixed bag. USC’s Leonard Williams might be the top talent in this draft, and six others – Danny Shelton, Malcom Brown, Jordan Phllips, Eddie Goldman, Carl Davis and Michael Bennett – should be top 50 selections. After that it’s a grab bag of mystery.
Fortunately for the Dolphins this draft features more top shelf inside linebackers than last year’s draft. Eric Kendricks (a safe first-round pick), Benardrick McKinney, Denzel Perryman, Paul Dawson (my favorite in the batch, but I’m told he’s pretty small), Taiwan Jones (top day three target), Stephone Anthony, Ramik Wilson, Ben Heeney, Mike Hull and Hayes Pullard should all be drafted, and could all eventually become NFL starters at inside linebacker.
Teams in need of cornerback and safety are going to have to dig deep, and might need to lean on free agency because this crop of talent doesn’t blow anyone away. Trae Waynes and Marcus Peters are decent first-round options, and Quinten Rollins has talent, but needs A LOT of work because of his basketball background. FSU’s P.J. Williams has top shelf athleticism, but he’s not as polished as you’d like.
There are seven safeties – Landon Collins (strong safety type projected as a first rounder), Cody Prewitt (liked him a lot at the Senior Bowl), Anthony Harris, Chris Hackett, Jaquiski Tartt, Gerod Holliman and Derron Smith – projected as talents worthy of the draft’s first two days. But safeties usually fall into day three, so most teams will likely wait on them.
Overall, I’ve concluded that the 2015 draft will make free agent defensive tackles, tight ends and cornerbacks wealthy, and teams would benefit from having higher picks more so than more picks.
My advice remains consistent for every draft, and that includes this one.
Find the players you like – so far I like quarterback Jameis Winston, tailbacks Todd Gurley, Duke Johnson, David Cobb and Josh Robinson, receivers DeVante Parker, Phillip Dorsett, Jamison Crowder and Stefon Diggs, offensive linemen Cameron Erving, Tre Jackson, Hroniss Grasu, Donovan Smith and Ali Marpet, tight ends Maxx Williams and Clive Wafford, defensive linemen Malcom Brown, Carl Davis, Grady Jarrett, Mario Edwards Jr. and Nate Orchard, linebackers Eric Kendricks, Paul Dawson and Taiwan Jones, cornerbacks Deshazor Everett and Quandre Diggs and safety Cody Prewitt – and draft them.
February 16, 2015 at 3:58 pm in reply to: Ask Dolphins, Titans why splurging on free agents is a losing strategy #18525
znModeratorI am not going to look for it…but, a while back, I posted an article that looked at playoff teams across a few years and asked how they approached free agency.
I mean I CAN find that article if anyone is interested. But right now I will just summarize it.
According to that analysis, consistent playoff teams average about 4 high-market big-money FAs per team. Obviously you want to think about WHO the FAs are–a Peyton Manning means more as a free agent, for example. But to me it was interesting that it was just 4.
So that says something, anyway.
How many high-end FAs have the Rams signed? 5. Wells, Finnegan, Langford, Long, Cook. That number is probably about to shift.
How many high-end FAs did the 99 Rams have on the roster? 3. Timmerman, Green, Agnew. (In 99, AT’s 5 year, 19 M contract made him the highest paid player in Rams history.)
Though in 97 and 98 they had some failed signings. Remember Eric Hill? Leslie O’Neal?
znModeratorThe entire chart of initial cap space, carry over amounts and projected total space is at the bottom of Kevin Seifert’s piece on the top 20 possible free agents.
Which is here:
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NFL Salary Cap Space
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread150212/early-look-top-free-agents-2015
Below are estimates for each team’s cap space, based on ESPN Stats & Information figures and a projected $140 million team limit, as of earlier this week. Totals change with each roster move between now and March 10.


February 16, 2015 at 2:48 pm in reply to: Fisher & Cignetti: transcript… 2/12…. + articles about the press conference #18521
znModeratorSt. Louis Rams look to simplify offense with Frank Cignetti
By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/
EARTH CITY, Mo. — One of the first orders of business for the St. Louis Rams before the real offseason begins is going through an extensive period of self-scouting.
As coach Jeff Fisher and his offensive coaches went back through the 2014 season, he came to a few conclusions.
Frank Cignetti looks to have an offense that will be simpler but “appear to be much more complex.””I personally had plenty of time to go back and reflect and look at the offense and identify some areas that need to be improved on,” Fisher said. “Like what you’re talking about with the third quarter stuff and the third-down efficiency and tying the run game to the play-action game and simplifying the offense and reducing things and establishing an identity and all those kind of things.”
Out of that laundry list of items, the word “simplifying” jumps out the most. I know what you’re thinking: How can an offense based in the principles of “ground and pound” be too complicated? Well, Fisher believes that at times the Rams’ offense was too voluminous, asking the players to remember a lot of things in a given week.
Former coordinator Brian Schottenheimer’s offense (under Fisher’s guidance) may be fairly fundamental philosophically but it also came with plenty of shifts, movements and details that gave the players an abundance of things to do and remember on every snap.
In elevating quarterbacks coach Frank Cignetti to offensive coordinator, Fisher said he saw in Cignetti an ability to help the offense get where it wants to go without having to change what it does at its core.
“Those are the kind of things that we talked about and those are the things that were very attractive to me from a standpoint of not only his background, his experience just understanding offensive concepts, but also different ways of doing things,” Fisher said. “So, we are going to change, but change is good. This change is going to be very, very good for us.”
Asked if he thought the offense was too complicated, Fisher confirmed that in discussions with Cignetti, there was a bit of a consensus that it was.
“I think we agreed there was at times,” Fisher said.
Which puts the onus on Cignetti and his staff to find ways to reduce the offense and simplify it while also ensuring that it offers enough options to have success. There is no doubt that the Rams offense will have a similar approach in 2015 with the language and playbook remaining the same. Boiled down to simpler terms, the idea is to continue doing the same things the offense has done in the past but do it better.
“The foundation of the playbook is the same,” Cignetti said. “Coach Schottenheimer’s put a terrific system in place here, the same system I was a part of when I was with the San Francisco 49ers. The foundation is going to be the same. Whether Coach Schottenheimer was still here or whether it was myself leading, every year you look at ways of doing things better.
“So, things that we talked about was how could we minimize terminology? So there’s certain things that we did in my past that we’ll be able to minimize terminology. So, as an offensive staff, we’re going to evaluate everything. If there’s a better way to learn, if there’s a better way to teach, then we’ll make changes. We’re not going to change just to make changes, but if it’s something that’s going to help us win football games, then we’ll make the necessary changes.”
It’s a process that’s already begun.
“I’m confident that our system will be such in April when the players come back for the offseason program, we’ll be simplified,” Fisher said. “But appear to be much more complex.”
znModeratorManziel Teammate: ‘Think About…If We Had Drafted Teddy Bridgewater’
It was a few days after Johnny Manziel had imploded like a dying star against the Cincinnati Bengals, completing 10 passes for 80 yards and throwing two picks—one of the worst first starts for a quarterback in recent NFL history.
Many things led to that moment, and Browns players knew the Manziel meltdown was approaching. Some were starting to think his on-field issues went beyond his apparent disdain for studying and practicing his craft. There was something else. Something simpler. Something bigger.
Some players believed Manziel wasn’t good enough to play in the NFL. It wasn’t solely the work ethic or the partying, but a dramatic talent deficit.
In the wake of that disastrous start against the Bengals, a Browns player remembers a brief conversation he had with a teammate.
“Think about where we’d be now,” the player recalled telling a teammate, “if we had drafted Teddy Bridgewater.”
That’s what the player remembered saying. “Think about where we’d be now if we had drafted Teddy Bridgewater.”
Bridgewater would go on to set several NFL and team rookie records. He had four consecutive starts late in the season where he completed better than 70 percent of his passes, the first time a rookie’s ever had more than two.
The Browns picked Manziel at No. 22, and the Vikings took Bridgewater 10 spots later. Looking back, it’s ironic the perceived character issues with Bridgewater were a greater concern to some team executives than Manziel’s. There were the infamous anonymous NFL executives who said Bridgewater couldn’t be “the face of a franchise.” This led to the brilliant Amy Trask, the former Raiders front-office executive, to excoriate Bridgewater’s faceless critics in one of the best predraft rants of all time. She said at the time:
Is anyone other than me absolutely, positively offended by what we’ve been reading and hearing the past week or so about, “We’re not sure he can be the face of the franchise?”
Not only do I find it offensive, but if you’re going to say something like that about a young man whose career is about to start, put your name on it. Put your name on it. Don’t say he can’t be the face of your franchise but that’s off the record. You want to say that? Put your name on it. And I find it offensive.
The criticism of Bridgewater was inane then and seems even more so now, as he played an admirable rookie season and is a highly handsome face of the franchise. Manziel became the face of Instagram.
This is where many were possibly wrong about Manziel. Maybe it’s not just the partying, the lack of preparation or the possible substance abuse. Those are issues, to be sure, but as far as his ability to win at the NFL level goes, the aforementioned drawbacks are not as big as the larger problem.
And that problem is this: Maybe Manziel can’t play.
What I can say with certainty is that’s a prevailing theme among a significant number of players in that Browns locker room. That’s what I’ve heard from several of them. The ESPN story about the locker room dissatisfaction is extremely accurate, but what is also true is that by the end of last season, some of Manziel’s teammates didn’t just doubt his ability to learn and prepare; they doubted his ability to be a competent quarterback.
This means that when Manziel returns to the team, he will not just have to overcome doubt about his work ethic but also the belief that he’s basically an oversold version of Akili Smith.
When I contacted several Browns players toward the end of the season, they were clearly exasperated with Manziel. One player in particular told me he wanted to calm himself and would text me after the season ended. (I actually tweeted this after a short conversation with him.) The player honored his word.
This player remembered watching Manziel practice and noticed that the accuracy of his throws not only failed to improve but actually worsened. To this player—and he says other teammates have similar beliefs—Manziel was far less talented than the media and fans believed.
This is the huge problem for Cleveland. There’s no question that a quarterback can improve on accuracy, but it takes an almost extremist attitude to do it.
I recently spoke with Aaron Rodgers, who explained how he improved his accuracy: hard work, constantly emphasizing the mental part of the game, doing what he calls mental reps. Even in practice when he’s not taking a snap, if he’s watching the backup run a pass play, he is running the play in his mind.
This was the sentence Rodgers used: “Make drill work as difficult as possible.”
There have been many windows into Manziel’s psyche. Some have been false, but some have been highly accurate and have foreshadowed where we’re at now. I’ve called Manziel Eddie Haskell because of his ability to fool the best NFL minds when he was leaving college and started interviewing with team officials. He told them, at the scouting combine and in meetings, how he was a changed man. This was a mantra he’s repeated several times, including after he ran into trouble while with the Browns.
In the excellent Bruce Feldman book called The QB: The Making of Modern Quarterbacks, Manziel says he will be a changed man. Feldman interviewed Manziel in his last year at Texas A&M, after various issues and pseudo-scandals. Manziel told Feldman:
I’ve had to grow up a lot with the whole NCAA deal with all of the scrutiny. It made me realize it wasn’t the best idea, posting about all the places I was going to and all the stuff I was doing, I’ve learned a lot from my mistakes. I’m off Twitter for now, and I just want to focus on the season. I’m not tweeting, and I don’t have time for that. The biggest thing for me is, I want people to know that all the stuff that was talked about with the off-season didn’t get in the way of all the work that I had put in with (quarterback guru George Whitfield) ’cause I worked hard to become a better passer. We talked all the time. It was nice to go out and show how much I got better. I really did work hard. Were there times I could’ve been out here slaving this summer? Yes, but I didn’t feel like that was what I needed to do. I felt like I deserved to have a little bit of fun, and it was really blown out of proportion.
The problem with that quote is, the greats do bust their ass in the summer. And the winter. And the fall. And the spring. And in every possible moment they can.
(And Manziel would return from his self-imposed social media hiatus with a vengeance.
Manziel would relate different variations of how he changed, or learned, or learned to change, in numerous interviews, both public and, according to several team officials, in private with them during the scouting combine and afterward. We now know not only did Manziel not change, he regressed.
Manziel sold the Browns a bill of goods. The Browns, in turn, sold fans and media the same garbage.
Sure, if Manziel had an attitude like Rodgers’, maybe things would have been slightly different his rookie year. What we know is that young studs like Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck and Bridgewater do put in that extra work. In some ways, it’s what separates them from the rest.
Yet Rodgers also came into the NFL with certain natural talents. In his case, the league underestimated him. With Manziel, it looks like his abilities were overestimated.
There are potential lessons from Manziel’s disastrous rookie season. It’s unfair to totally write off a player so young, but there is also something to say about maximizing talent. It’s likely Manziel would have practiced and played better had he utilized a hyper-professional approach to playing, like a Rodgers or even a Bridgewater.
Yet it’s also possible that would have only mattered so much because, again, it’s looking more and more like Manziel just isn’t that good.
There are numerous quarterback busts in history: Matt Leinart, Dave Klingler, Heath Shuler, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Rick Mirer…it goes on and on and on.
One of the things those players have in common is struggling, badly, early on. Not the usual struggles all rookie throwers face. Worse than that. The NFL overwhelmed their abilities, like too many people trying to use GoGo inflight wireless, and they never recovered. Like Manziel, they looked exceptional running college offenses then were buried by the complications of professional defenses. Add to that the additional pressure of social media scrutiny (which Manziel brought on himself) and it’s a nasty mix.
There’s a degree of the eye test here when it comes to Manziel last year, and I get what this Browns player was saying. Manziel looked smallish, limited and inaccurate. He apparently looked that way in practice as well, according to the player.
Even rookies who struggled showed promise. I remember Troy Aikman’s rookie season, and he got blasted, but in the process of getting beaten to a pulp, you saw numerous flashes of ability. We might see those flashes if Manziel started an entire season, but it’s doubtful.
The Browns aren’t abandoning ship. Not yet. Owner Jimmy Haslam said in a meeting with Cleveland beat writers:
I think it’s way too early to give up on Johnny. We certainly haven’t given up on him.
I applaud him for raising his hand and saying “I need help.” We’re going to do everything we can to support him. Our primary interest is making sure that he gets well, if you will. Fixes himself. However long that takes, we’re going to stand beside him. We hope Johnny can get that straightened out because we feel he’s a really good athlete and can help our team. But the first thing he’s got to do is get himself fixed.
He’s an easy guy to pile on.
Yes, yes he is, in part because of his own actions. In part because of a Browns organization that remains dysfunctional despite suckers like me thinking the team finally knew what it was doing.
The Browns are left with this frightening scenario. It’s not Manziel’s off-field disasters that are hurting him. It’s worse.
It’s that he might not be a good player. At all.
znModeratorLoyalty was key for Fisher in OC search
By Jim Thomas
After Brian Schottenheimer decided to head south to the Georgia Bulldogs, Rams coach Jeff Fisher said there was “no doubt in my mind that I had his replacement on the staff.”
Why, then, did it take more than a month for Fisher to formally introduce Frank Cignetti as the team’s offensive coordinator?
“I think you’re rewarded for patience,” Fisher said.
He used the hiring of running backs coach Ben Sirmans to illustrate his point.
“I think we have an outstanding running backs coach in Ben, and we interviewed eight different coaches before we hired Ben three years ago,” Fisher said.
That was 2012, Fisher’s first Rams staff. Sirmans wasn’t hired until March 2012.
“Through the process, often times, different opportunities come up,” Fisher said.
In other words, he never has been one to rush into staff hires. And with rare exception, Fisher is very loyal to his assistants once they get hired.
This time around, Fisher said he only had one formal interview with an outside candidate. That was former Buffalo offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett.
A second interview was scheduled with Hackett during Super Bowl week.
By that time, Fisher was firmly committed to going in-house, meaning the second interview with Hackett was for either the Rams’ quarterbacks or tight-ends coaching job. (Depending on whether Fisher promoted Cignetti from QBs coach or tight ends coach Rob Boras to offensive coordinator.)
Hackett decided instead to follow Doug Marrone, who was his head coach in Buffalo, to Jacksonville as quarterbacks coach. Marrone is assistant head coach/offensive line coach for the Jaguars.
Fisher said he talked to a couple of other candidates on the phone (a group that included Kyle Shanahan, who ended up as Atlanta’s offensive coordinator, and Adam Gase, who ended up with that position for Chicago).
Alex Van Pelt and Rob Chudzinski might have gotten interviews with Fisher, but Green Bay (in the case off Van Pelt) and Indianapolis (Chudzinski) denied interview requests by the Rams.
But in the end, Fisher wanted to stay with his overall offensive philosophy. Stability and continuity were very important to him.
“Your terminology, your run-game philosophy, your game-calling philosophy, the understanding of your philosophy — it’s ingrained in you,” Fisher said. “From an organizational standpoint, I didn’t want to change any of that … I just wanted to get better.
“I knew that this staff was qualified to do that. We just needed some new leadership, and that’s what we have.”
Perhaps with that in mind, Cignettii emphasized leadership and motivation as characteristics he brings to the coordinator’s job at his introductory news conference on Friday.
In his two interviews or “meetings” with Fisher, Cignetti stressed those points.
“I wanted to be the coordinator because I love to lead,” he said. “I love to try to bring a group of men together, coaches and players, and try to make it something great. To go from good to great.”
Obviously, calling the Rams’ offense good last year — or in any of the three years with Schottenheimer as coordinator — would be stretching it. The Rams finished 21st in points per game in 2014, 28th in total offense, 20th in rushing offense and 23rd in passing offense. But Cignetti’s overall point is that he relishes the challenge and the opportunity of trying to improve the offense.
“As coach (Fisher) and I sat down in our two meetings, I think what happened was we got to know each other better,” Cignetti said. “Coach asked great questions. I was very comfortable in both meetings, and if anything, it just built our relationship.
“That’s the other thing that’s important in the leadership role is that you’ve got to care about people and build trusting relationships. I think through our process, that’s what happened. We got to know each other better.”
Cignetti, 49, said the core of his philosophy as a coordinator is the ability to run the football. This should come as no surprise to anyone familiar with Fisher’s track record as a head coach. He wasn’t going to hire a coordinator who planned to throw the ball 50 times a game.
“I believe in running the football,” Cignetti said. “You run the ball to win. The quarterback’s best friend is running the football. But you also have to be flexible enough to do whatever it’s gonna take to win a game.”
To Cignetti, it’s more about players (and maximizing their strengths), than play-calling. And doing whatever you can to get the ball in your playmakers’ hands.
Of course, just about every offensive coordinator says he will mold his philosophy to the particular strength of his players. Often that turns out to be little more than lip service.
There is at least some evidence in Cignetti’s past that he has that flexibility. At Fresno State, for example, he had run-heavy teams that were successful and had pass-heavy teams as well.
“When you have a guy like (wide receiver) Bernard Berrian, who was one of the best college football players, you want to get the ball in his hands,” Cignetti said. “Because you can throw him a little bubble screen and it might end up in the end zone. So you take a look at your personnel and how can you take advantage of their abilities. That’s just a quick example.”
On the subject of playmakers, Cignetti made it clear he plans to get Tavon Austin involved more in the offense. We’ve heard that before.
But Cignetti said he already has had discussions with wide receivers coach Ray Sherman and the rest of the offensive staff on that topic.
“Tavon Austin is an outstanding football player,” Cignetti said. “I saw him here (last) week. I’m fired up to get working with him.
“As coach Fisher and I sat down, it was: Hey, you think players, not plays. Especially in tough situations. Tavon Austin’s a playmaker.”
znModeratorLance is, in my mind, the perfect example of a solid, above average, competent, trustworthy TE.
Yeah I share that view completely. But then in 2013 and 2014 they used him more as an in-line blocker and, it looked to me, forgot about his abilities as a move blocker. I think Harkey took a lot of that role.
Frankly, while I realize what Cook does bring to the table, I would like the Rams TE situation better if it was just Kendricks and Harkey.
znModeratorf they move them and call them the LA Earthquakes or LA Tremors or any damn thing to do with the ground moving… or the ocean moving… LA Waves… LA Riptide… LA Sewage Spills (although that has a special NFL ring to it)
…then I’m just done with them.
As I said, that’s my temptation too. I would see no good reason for them doing that and I would also see them doing that as a betrayal.
That’s what I say now, today, in the abstract, in response to a hypothetical…though, who knows what would really happen. I mean I never rationally intended to get hooked in the first place.
I didn’t say, long ago, “now what sports team will I get addicted to.” But sitting here now, I THINK that them “abandoning the colors” … the logo and tradition … would not sit well. It would look like a crass convenience and I would probably just pick another team. I even think I know what it would be. The Colts. I have family and friends back there who follow them, and I would just join them on their couch, so to speak. Sure as heck wouldn;t be the Patz or Giants, my 2 local options.
znModeratorfrom off the net
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CoachO
I think many are over-simplifying things when it comes to being able to “incorporate” Austin into the passing game. I know I am in the minority, but it just doesn’t make sense to me to focus so much on making him the “go to guy” in this offense, when he is so easily taken out of the offense by simply playing zone defense against him. Austin is a dynamic and elusive player when he is moving. He has the ability to cut and change direction unlike many, but when he is forced to “settle” in to a pocket of a zone, and STOP, he tends to be limited in his ability to get back up field.
I think Austin is okay with finding the soft spots in the zones. But he is no where close to having the “quicks” that an Amendola has in terms of changing direction. I have watched them try to run the same type routes in training camp, (arrow, option etc.) that Amendola was so effective running, with nowhere near the same results. In this past training camp, even TJ Moe ran those routes better than Austin.
If you look back at the games he excelled in his rookie year, you may have noticed that it came exclusively against MAN TO MAN coverage (Indy, Carolina, for example). Teams just don’t play man against the Rams very often.
Schottenheimer was able to exploit man coverage when they ran up against it. Be it Austin, or even Givens, they are the most successful on crossing routes, when they can be matched up in single (man) coverage.
Teams force Austin to “settle in” to the windows of the zone, catching the ball while STOPPED. The only effective alternative to that is underneath crossing routes, or bubble screens. But Austin is just too small to run the deep dig, and sending him on “9” routes just isn’t effective against 2-deep safeties. Again, he is just too small to win contested balls.
Forcing the ball to him, even with the Jet Sweeps, became very predictable, and less effective the more they tried.
IMO, for him to be effective, he has to rely on the others guys being more of a factor, (Quick, Britt, Cook) all becoming the focus in the intermediate passing game, which will open up the middle of the field for Austin. IF opposing LBs are forced to get deeper in their drop, it will give Austin more room on the underneath stuff.
Combine that with a successful running game, which makes the play action passing game go, it will now allow for Austin to run his routes BEHIND the LBs and in front of the Safeties.
But running “pick plays” against zone defenses just don’t work.
Will he improve? I would like to think he could. But his explosiveness is more in his straight line speed, not necessarily his change of direction and “stop and start”. When at top speed, his cutting and juking ability is incredible. But IMO, he just doesn’t have the same explosiveness as Amendola, Edelman and Welker in close quarters. Not to mention, he doesn’t have anywhere close to same consistent hands that the others possess.
Though Austin wasn’t drafted solely to be a WR. His ST contributions were, IMO, the biggest reason they wanted him. And whether or not he has contributed on offense as they envisioned so far, we may never know. But again, IF he develops into a more well rounded WR, especially given this will be his 3rd year, then will it really matter where he was drafted?
February 15, 2015 at 12:47 pm in reply to: Grayson, Hundley, Petty, Carden etc. … the qbs this year #18497
znModeratorRams’ search for QB coach continues
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/16238/rams-search-for-qb-coach-continues
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams finally filled their offensive coordinator job Thursday, formally announcing Frank Cignetti’s promotion. They also promoted Rob Boras from tight ends coach to assistant head coach/offense.
Boras will continue coaching tight ends, but Cignetti’s focus on quarterbacks will not remain. So head coach Jeff Fisher is searching for a replacement for the role of quarterbacks coach. On Thursday evening and Friday morning, Fisher and the Rams interviewed former NFL quarterback Jeff Garcia for the job.
All signs are that the discussion with Garcia went well, but Fisher made it clear that he’d like to investigate other candidates further before making a decision.
“We’ll have a quarterback coach in place that’s going to help us,” Fisher said. “That process is ongoing. As it was reported, we did have Jeff Garcia in last night and today. I’ll continue to interview several others. We have some really solid options in place, but again, we’re going to probably take a little time before we make that decision.”
It should be no surprise that Fisher doesn’t want to rush into the hire of a quarterbacks coach. Taking his time has been a Fisher trademark in coaching searches, as evidenced by the lengthy process preceding Cignetti’s hire.
Garcia is the only known candidate at this point. He has never coached in the NFL, but spent last season as the quarterbacks coach for the Montreal Alouettes. Garcia has, however, spent time as a mentor and trainer for quarterbacks at all levels as part of his Jeff Garcia Football Academy in San Diego. And, of course, Garcia had a lengthy NFL career in which he started 116 games and went to four Pro Bowls.
At this point, none of the other potential candidates are known, but there is at least one more potential coach that Fisher would like to talk to. It’s possible some of that business could get cleaned up next week at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis.
No matter who the Rams ultimately add to complete the coaching staff, Cignetti says there will be a little difference in how he and former coordinator Brian Schottenheimer divided up the duties.
Schottenheimer was the coordinator, but spent a lot of time working with Cignetti and the quarterbacks. Cignetti intends to have input with the quarterbacks, but take on more of an all-encompassing role with the offense.
“I want to be the offensive coordinator in terms of leadership and motivation,” Cignetti said. “We want to hire a quarterback coach that will be the quarterback coach. I’m not going to be as involved with the quarterback as much as Coach Schottenheimer was involved. That would probably be the biggest difference.”
February 15, 2015 at 11:58 am in reply to: What American Sniper did is much, much worse than rewrite history #18496
znModeratorI want to be clear that I am not arguing that this film represents THE truth. I don’t think I ever said that and if I did I didn’t mean to. I always said it represented HIS truth and that’s the point that I think we disagree about. I find that acceptable for this film and you do not.
Yes it’s absolutely no big deal that we disagree about this one film.
Anyway.
I saw the film. But I knew the history so DURING the film, I kept seeing how the narrative–the way the story works–underscores and supports the myths I have been complaining about. It’s not just HIS beliefs, the movie as a whole supports and repeats his beliefs at every single level. The story, not just the hero’s beliefs, is built around distortions of history. Not just any distortions of history. Bad ones, very dangerous ones (like the idea that they were fighting al qaida or that the iraqi insurgency was tied to al qaida). I saw how it was trying to be Saving Private Ryan (in a sense) but that in order to be that, it had to seriously distort history. The entire movie did. It was not just a case of them not challenging the hero’s beliefs–the very way they present the whole story of Fallujah reproduces his false beliefs.
I don’t even think the movie tells “the truth” of HIS story since in fact “the truth” of his story is that he acted on, believed, supported, and repeated lies he himself believed. THAT is his REAL story.
I remember the debates on the old huddle politics board about what the iraqi insurgencies were about (there was more than one) and I remember the board righties kept presenting this false picture it was easy to blow up. They didn’t get what the various insurgencies were, they didn’t get whose side we were on in Iraq, they didn’t get the nature of the conflicts there during the occupation, and so on. They just thought we were at war with Muslim Evil.
Well the movie as a whole buys every myth those board righties were posting. All of them, down the line.
February 15, 2015 at 9:01 am in reply to: What American Sniper did is much, much worse than rewrite history #18485
znModeratorI disagree about the lie being central to that movie.
His views of the war were valid to HIM. That’s all that mattered in this film, IMO.
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The film completely allows the lie to dictate the narrative. It does not question it and in fact does everything to support it. Again, if it DIDN’T, his whole story would look different. Like, COMPLETELY different.
And it is honestly really easy to have put his ideas in context and show that they were not true. A 30 second scene would do it. Also, NOT having the enemy be Al qaida in Falluja would do it too.
Speaking of info being all around us, people should read the real story of Fallujah. Once you do that you realize the film is a complete and total collaborator in the revisionist take on the war. For one thing, the insurgents there had nothing bloody to do with Al Qaida — they were Iraqi sunni insurgents associated with the old regime.
There was no bloody way on earth that film was going to show a realistic version of Fallujah. It was revisionist in every single frame. And badly so. Like way out of its way from the truth and deep into falsehoods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah_during_the_Iraq_War
2003 invasion of Iraq
Downtown Fallujah, December 2003Although the majority of the residents were Sunni and had supported Saddam Hussein’s rule, Fallujah lacked military presence just after his fall. There was little looting and the new mayor of the city—Taha Bidaywi Hamed, was selected by local tribal leaders—was pro-United States.[4] When the U.S. Army’s 1st Battalion / 2nd Brigade 82nd Airborne entered the town on April 23, 2003, they positioned themselves at the vacated Ba’ath Party headquarters, a local school house, and the Ba’ath party resort just outside town (Dreamland)—the US bases inside the town erased some goodwill, especially when many in the city had been hoping the US Army would stay outside of the relatively calm city.
Instability, April 2003 – March 2004
Main article: Fallujah killings of April 2003On the evening of April 28, 2003, several hundred residents defied the US curfew and marched down the streets of Fallujah, past the soldiers positioned in the Ba’ath party (which did not exist any more at that point) headquarters, to protest the military presence inside the local school. The protest remained peaceful but US soldiers fired upon the crowd, killing as many as 17 and wounding more than 70 of the protesters. US soldiers alleged that they were returning fire, but protesters stated they were unarmed.[5][6][7] Independent observers from human rights group found no evidence that US forces had come under attack.[1] The US suffered no casualties from the incident.
Two days later, on April 30, the 82d Airborne was replaced in the city by 2nd Troop (Fox) / U.S. 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment. The 3rd Cavalry was significantly smaller in number and chose not to occupy the same schoolhouse where the shooting had occurred two days earlier. However, on the same day a daytime protest in front of the Ba’ath party headquarters and mayor’s office (which are adjacent to one another) led to the death of three more protesters. At this point in time the 3rd Cavalry was in control of the entire Al Anbar province, and it quickly became evident that a larger force was needed. The now battalion-sized element of the 3rd Cavalry (2nd squadron) in Fallujah was replaced by the 2nd Brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division.[citation needed]
During the summer, the US army decided to close down its last remaining base inside the city (the Ba’ath party headquarters; FOB Laurie). At this point the 3d ACR had all of its forces stationed outside Fallujah in the former Baathist resort, Dreamland. After the May 11 surrender of the Mujahedin-e-Khalq, the incoming 3d Infantry Division also began using the large MEK compound adjacent to Dreamland to accommodate its larger troop presence in Fallujah. Under its control, the 3d Infantry Division maintained no bases inside the city of Fallujah.
On 30 June a “huge explosion” occurred in a mosque in which the imam, Sheikh Laith Khalil, and eight other people were killed. Residents of the city claim the army fired a missile at the mosque while the army displayed evidence that a terrorist bomb training class had gone wrong.[8] Just a couple of days earlier things had been much quieter, although US troops had been confiscating motorbikes as a preventive measure against terrorist attacks.[9]
Timeline showing the sequence of units in control of Fallujah in just the first year of the warJust 2 months after the 3rd Infantry had taken control of Fallujah from the 3rd Cavalry, the entire 3rd Infantry Division was redeployed home. The 3d Cavalry was once again put in control of Fallujah, and again was only able to devote one squadron to Fallujah. Attached to that Squadron was the 115th MP Company from Rhode Island. Unarmored and ill-equipped the 115th MPs kept order with routine patrols and frequent house raids searching for insurgents and weapons caches. In September 2003, the 3rd Brigade of the 82nd Airborne was deployed to replace the 3d Cavalry in Ramadi and Fallujah. The 3rd Cavalry was then left to control all of the al-Anbar province except for these two cities.
Approximately one year after the invasion, the city’s Iraqi police and Iraqi Civil Defense Corps were unable to establish law and order. Insurgents launched many indiscriminate attacks and some on police stations in the city, killing at least 20 police officers. Beginning in early March 2004, the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division commanded by Major-General Charles H. Swannack Jr. gave a transfer of authority of the al-Anbar province to the I Marine Expeditionary Force commanded by Lt. General Conway. The 3rd Cavalry and the 3rd Brigade of the 82nd Airborne were then sent home.
Attack on contractorsMain article: 2004 Fallujah ambush
On March 31, 2004 – Iraqi insurgents from the Brigades of Martyr Ahmed Yassin in Fallujah ambushed a convoy containing four American private military contractors (mercenaries) employed by Blackwater USA, who were at the time guarding a convoy carrying kitchen supplies to a military base, for the catering company Eurest Support Services[10]
The four contractors, Scott Helvenston, Jerko Zovko, Wesley Batalona and Michael Teague, were dragged from their cars, beaten, and set ablaze. Their burned corpses were then dragged through the streets before being hung over a bridge crossing the Euphrates.[11]
Siege, April 2004
Main article: First Battle of FallujahIn response to the killing of the four US citizens, and intense political pressure, the US Marines commenced Operation Vigilant Resolve. They surrounded the city and attempted to capture the individuals responsible as well as others in the region who might have been involved in insurgencies. One out of every two mosques in Fallujah were used to hide fighters or weapons.[12] The Iraqi National Guard was supposed to work alongside with the US Marines in the operation, but on the dawn of the invasion they discarded their uniforms and deserted.[13] Under pressure from the Iraqi Governing Council, the US aborted its attempt to regain control of Fallujah. The US Marines suffered 40 deaths in the siege. Estimates of the number of Iraqi deaths (both fighters and civilians) in the attack range from 271 (according to Iraqi Ministry of Health officials[14][15]) to 731 (according to Rafie al-Issawi, the head of the local hospital[16]).
The occupying force on April 9 allowed more than 70,000 women, children and elderly residents to leave the besieged city. On April 10, the US military declared a unilateral truce to allow for humanitarian supplies to enter Fallujah. US troops pulled back to the outskirts of the city. An Iraqi mediation team entered the city in an attempt to set up negotiations between US forces and local leaders, but as of April 12 had not been successful. At least one US battalion had orders to shoot any male of military age on the streets after dark, armed or not.[17] In violation of the Geneva Convention, the city’s main hospital was closed by Marines, negating its use, and a US sniper was placed on top of the hospital’s water tower.[18]
There were also reports of the use of cluster bombs by US forces in Fallujah during this time, including reports from Al Jazeera on April 9 and 15, which US State Department spokesperson Richard Boucher later described as “totally false.”[19][unreliable source?] Similar reports came from several other sources who reported on 26 April 2004: “A spokesman for an Iraqi delegation from the violence-gripped city of Fallujah on Monday accused U.S. troops of using cluster bombs against the city and said they had asked the United Nations to mediate the conflict.[citation needed] Mohammed Tareq, a spokesman for the governing council of Fallujah and a member of the four-person delegation, said U.S. military snipers were also responsible for the deaths of many children, women and elderly people.” And the Economic Press Review reported on 17 April 2004: “American F-16 warplanes are blitzing the Al-Julan residential area in Al Fallujah 50 kilometers west from Baghdad with cluster bombs.”[citation needed]
The ceasefire followed a wave of insurgency activity across southern Iraq, which included the capture of two US soldiers, seven employees of US military contractor Kellogg, Brown and Root, and more than 50 other workers in Iraq. Several of the prisoners were released within days of their capture, while the majority were executed.[citation needed]
The US forces ostensibly sought to negotiate a settlement but promised to restart its offensive to retake the city if one was not reached. Military commanders said their goal in the siege was to capture those responsible for the numerous deaths of US and Iraqi security personnel. As the siege continued, insurgents conducted hit-and-run attacks on US Marine positions. The Marines had announced a unilateral ceasefire.[citation needed]
Truce, May 2004At the beginning of May 2004, the US Marine Corps announced a ceasefire due to intense political pressure. Most of the fighting was limited to the southern industrial district, which, had the lowest population density inside the city limits and the northwest corner of the city in the Jolan district. There were also Marine battalions in the northeast and southern portion of the city. While both sides began preparations to resume offensives, General Conway took a risk and handed control of the city to a former Iraqi general with roughly 1,000 men who then formed the Fallujah Brigade, while acknowledging that many of the people under control of the general were probably insurgents themselves (no verification was provided). The general, Major General Muhammed Latif, replaced a US choice, Jasim Mohammed Saleh, who was alleged to have been involved in the earlier atrocities against Kurds during the Iran-Iraq war.[20] The ceasefire terms were to give control of Fallujah to General Latif on condition that Fallujah becomes a secure region for coalition forces and halt incoming mortar and rocket attacks on the nearby US bases. Latif’s militia wore Iraqi military uniforms from the Hussein era. Another tenet of the cease-fire was the establishment of a Traffic Control Point (TCP) on the eastern side of the city just west of the “cloverleaf”. This TCP was constantly manned by a platoon of Marines and a platoon from the Iraqi National Guard and saw almost daily firefights for the rest of the summer.
Inside the city, mosques proclaimed the victory of the insurgents over the United States.[citation needed] Celebratory banners appeared around the city, and the fighters paraded through the town on trucks. Iraqi governing council member Ahmed Chalabi, after a bombing that killed fellow IGC member Izzadine Saleem, blamed the US military’s decisions in Fallujah for the attack, stating “The garage is open and car bombs are coming repeatedly.”[21]
Fallujah, according to reporters who have visited in mid-summer, had since become a sort of Islamist mini-state, with Sharia law enforced by mujahedin.[citation needed] Owners of shops that sold US-style magazine and barbers who offered “Western-style” haircuts were beaten and publicly humiliated. Inter-faction fighting was also rampant.[22] The Fallujah Brigade was soon marginalized and ceased to be more than another faction in what had effectively become a no-go area for coalition troops.
Counter-insurgency, May – November 2004Throughout the summer and fall of 2004, the U.S. military conducted sporadic airstrikes on Fallujah. U.S. forces reported that all were confirmed targeted, intelligence-based strikes against houses used by the group of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an insurgency leader linked to al-Qaida.
In October and early November, 2004, the U.S. military prepared for a major offensive against the rebel stronghold with stepped up daily aerial attacks using precision-guided munitions[23] against militant “safe houses,” restaurants and meeting places in the city. U.S. Marines also engaged in firefights on a daily and nightly basis along the perimeter of the city. There were again conflicting reports of civilian casualties.[24]:256–267
CNN incorrectly reported on October 14, 2004, that the US offensive assault on Fallujah had begun and broadcast a report from a young Marine outside Fallujah, 1st Lt. Lyle Gilbert, who announced that “troops have crossed the line of departure.” Hours later, CNN reported their Pentagon reporters had determined that the assault had not, in fact, begun. The Los Angeles Times reported on December 1, 2004, that, according to several unnamed Pentagon officials, the Marine’s announcement was a feint—part of an elaborate “psychological operation” (PSYOP) to determine the Fallujah rebels’ reactions if they believed attack was imminent.
On November 7, 2004, the U.S.-appointed Iraq interim government declared a 60 day state of emergency in preparation for the assault, as insurgents carried out several car bomb attacks in the Fallujah area which killed Iraqi army and police, U.S. Marines and Iraqi civilians. The next day Prime Minister Iyad Allawi publicly authorized an offensive in Fallujah and Ramadi to “liberate the people” and “clean Fallujah from the terrorists”. Marines, U.S. Army soldiers and allied Iraqi soldiers stormed into Fallujah’s western outskirts, secured two bridges across the Euphrates, seized a hospital on the outskirts of the city and arrested about 50 men in the hospital. About half the arrested men were later released. A hospital doctor reported that 15 Iraqis were killed and 20 wounded during the overnight incursions. The US armed forces have designated the offensive as Operation Phantom Fury.
In the first week of Operation Phantom Fury, government spokesman Thair al-Naqeeb said that many of the remaining fighters have asked to surrender and that Iraqi authorities “will extend amnesty” to those who have not committed major crimes.[25] At the same time, US forces prevented male refugees from leaving the combat zone, and the city was placed under a strict night-time shoot-to-kill curfew with anyone spotted in the Marines’ night vision sights shot.[26][27]
U.S.–Iraqi offensive of November 7, 2004
Main article: Second Battle of FallujahJournalists embedded with U.S. military units, although limited in what they may report, have reported the following:
On November 8, 2004, a force of around 2,000 U.S. and 600 Iraqi troops began a concentrated assault on Fallujah with air strikes, artillery, armor, and infantry. The New York Times reported that within an hour of the start of the ground attack, troops seized the Fallujah General Hospital. “Patients and hospital employees were rushed out of rooms by armed soldiers and ordered to sit or lie on the floor while troops tied their hands behind their backs”.[28] Noam Chomsky in his book Failed States commented that according to the Geneva Conventions, medical establishments “may in no circumstance be attacked, but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict.” [29] Troops seized the rail yards North of the city, and pushed into the city simultaneously from the North and West taking control of the volatile Jolan and Askari districts. Rebel resistance was as strong as expected[citation needed], rebels fought very hard as they fell back. By nightfall on November 9, 2004, the U.S. troops had almost reached the heart of the city. U.S. military officials stated that 1,000 to 6,000 insurgents were believed to be in the city, they appear to be organized, and fought in small groups, of three to 25. Many insurgents were believed to have slipped away amid widespread reports that the U.S. offensive was coming. During the assault, Marines and Iraqi soldiers endured sniper fire and destroyed booby traps, much more than anticipated. Ten U.S. troops were killed in the fighting and 22 wounded in the first two days of fighting. Insurgent casualty numbers were estimated at 85 to 90 killed or wounded. Several more days of fighting were anticipated as U.S. and Iraqi troops conducted house-to-house searches for weapons, booby traps, and insurgents.
On 9 November, CNN Correspondent Karl Penhaul reported the use of cluster bombs in the offensive: “The sky over Falluja seems to explode as U.S. Marines launch their much-trumpeted ground assault. War planes drop cluster bombs on insurgent positions and artillery batteries fire smoke rounds to conceal a Marine advance.”[30]
November 10, 2004 reports by the Washington Post suggest that U.S. armed forces used white phosphorus grenades and/or artillery shells, creating walls of fire in the city. Doctors working inside Fallujah report seeing melted corpses of suspected insurgents.[31] The use of WP ammunition was confirmed from various independent sources, including U.S. troops who had suffered WP burns due to friendly fire. On November 16, 2005 The Independent reported that Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Barry Venable “disclosed that (white phosphorus) had been used to dislodge enemy fighters from entrenched positions in the city”…”We use them primarily as obscurants, for smokescreens or target marking in some cases. However, it is an incendiary weapon and may be used against enemy combatants.”[32] But a day before, Robert Tuttle, the U.S. ambassador to London, denied that white phosphorus was deployed as a weapon: “US forces do not use napalm or white phosphorus as weapons.”[33][34]
On November 13, 2004 a Red Crescent convoy containing humanitarian aid was delayed from entering Fallujah by the U.S. army.[35][36]
On November 13, 2004, a U.S. Marine with 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines was videotaped killing a wounded and unarmed prisoner in a mosque. The incident, which came under investigation, created controversy throughout the world. The man was shot at close range after he and several other badly wounded Iraqi prisoners had previously been left behind overnight in the mosque by the U.S. Marines. The Marine shooting the man had been mildly injured by insurgents in the same mosque the day before.[37][38] In May 2005, it was announced that the Marine would not face a court-martial. In a statement, Maj. Gen. Richard F. Natonski, commanding general of the I Marine Expeditionary Force, said that a review of the evidence had shown that the shooting was “consistent with the established rules of engagement and the law of armed conflict.” [39]
On November 16, 2004, a Red Cross official told Inter Press Service that “at least 800 civilians” had been killed in Fallujah and indicated that “they had received several reports from refugees that the military had dropped cluster bombs in Fallujah, and used a phosphorus weapon that caused severe burns.”[40]
As of November 18, 2004, the U.S. military reported 1200 insurgents killed and 1000 captured. U.S. casualties were 51 killed and 425 wounded, and the Iraqi forces lost 8 killed and 43 wounded.[41]
On December 2, 2004, the U.S. death toll in Fallujah operation reached 71 killed.[42]
Some of the tactics said to be used by the insurgents included playing dead and attacking, surrendering and attacking, and rigging dead or wounded with bombs. In the November 13th incident mentioned above, the U.S. Marine alleged the insurgent was playing dead.[43]
Of the 100 mosques in the city, about 60 were used as fighting positions by the insurgents.[citation needed] The U.S. and Iraqi military swept through all mosques used as fighting positions, destroying them, leading to great resentment from local residents.
In 2005, the U.S. military admitted that it used white phosphorus as an anti-personnel weapon in Fallujah.[44]On 17 May 2011, AFP reported that 21 bodies, in black body-bags marked with letters and numbers in Roman script had been recovered from a mass grave in al-Maadhidi cemetery in the centre of the city. Fallujah police chief Brigadier General Mahmud al-Essawi said that they had been blindfolded, their legs had been tied and they had suffered gunshot wounds. The Mayor, Adnan Husseini said that the manner of their killing, as well as the body bags, indicated that US forces had been responsible. Both al-Essawi and Husseini agreed that the dead had been killed in 2004. The US Military declined to comment.[45]
AftermathResidents were allowed to return to the city in mid-December after undergoing biometric identification, provided they carry their ID cards all the time. US officials report that “more than half of Fallujah’s 39,000 homes were damaged, and about 10,000 of those were destroyed.” Compensation amounts to 20 percent of the value of damaged houses, with an estimated 32,000 homeowners eligible, according to Marine Lt. Col. William Brown.[46] According to the NBC,[47] 9,000 homes were destroyed, thousands more were damaged and of the 32,000 compensation claims only 2,500 had been paid as of April 14, 2005. According to Mike Marqusee of Iraq Occupation Focus writing in The Guardian,[48] “Falluja’s compensation commissioner has reported that 36,000 of the city’s 50,000 homes were destroyed, along with 60 schools and 65 mosques and shrines”. Reconstruction is only progressing slowly and mainly consists of clearing rubble from heavily-damaged areas and reestablishing basic utility services. This is also due to the fact that only 10% of the pre-offensive inhabitants had returned as of mid-January, and only 30% as of the end of March 2005.[49]
Health effects
Research by Chris Busby, Malak Hamdan and Entesar Ariabi published in 2010 lent credibility to anecdotal news reports of increases in birth defects and cancer after the fighting in 2004.[51] Results from a survey of 711 households in Fallujah on cancer, birth defects and infant mortality suggested that large increases in cancer and infant mortality had occurred. Responses to the questionnaire also suggested an anomalous mean birth sex ratio in children born a year after the fighting, indicating that environmental contamination occurred in 2004. Although the authors noted the use of depleted uranium as one possible source of relevant exposure, they emphasized that there could be other possibilities and that their results did not identify the agent(s) responsible for the increased levels of illness.
znModeratorIt’s stuff like that that has me think either the move is happening…
Or Kroenke’s a real dick.
Well, it could be both.
February 14, 2015 at 10:22 pm in reply to: What American Sniper did is much, much worse than rewrite history #18478
znModeratorThere is so much information available today–so many sources, that people can find the truth they want.
To me the issue is people not knowing they don’t know. There’s famous stories about Soviet Communists admiring American propaganda. The Soviets lied, and their people did not believe them. Americans on the other hand have info all around them, and they never know to look.
See the lie is central to that movie. It can’t be about the burden he carries being a sheepdog and protector IF at the same time they let it be known that his views of the war were not valid. It becomes a different story. It stops being Saving Private Ryan, about heroic sacrifice, and becomes a Vietnam film. Vietnam films don’t allow for unironized pure heroism.
znModeratorRelocation might be an issue
for some free agents, i suppose.IMO this is its own thread. Might spark interest. You okay with that? Up to you.
znModeratorSounds like JT is letting some of his personal feelings about Kroenke mingle with his professional life
Not sure what you mean here?
February 14, 2015 at 1:12 am in reply to: Fisher & Cignetti: transcript… 2/12…. + articles about the press conference #18453
znModeratorFisher, Cignetti support Bradford
By Jim Thomas
One of the most noteworthy things to come out of Friday’s introductory press conference for new offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti was how strongly both Cignetti and coach Jeff Fisher came out in support of quarterback Sam Bradford.
Based on what was said Friday, there appears to be little doubt that Bradford will be with the team next season — and be the starter.
One exchange was particularly telling during the 20-minute session at Rams Park. When asked if Bradford was kept in the loop during the process of hiring an offensive coordinator, Fisher replied:
“I had a lengthy discussion with Sam, yes, prior to making the decision. It was part of the information gathering process. Sam was very forthcoming. He had some firm opinions. I really enjoyed and appreciated his input.”
So would Cignetti have been promoted to coordinator (after three seasons as QB coach) if Bradford had voiced objections?
“We wouldn’t be sitting here right now,” Fisher replied.
“As it should be,” Cignetti chimed in.
If you were seriously considering trading Bradford, or even releasing him, none of that probably would’ve taken place.
So the Rams definitely want him back in ’15?
“That’s correct, yes,” Fisher said. “He’s been in the building since the season ended. He’s doing well.”
Fisher even backed down from his end-of-the-season comment that there will be competition for Bradford on the roster next season, competition that’s currently “not in the building.” The plan still calls for at least one new face on the quarterback depth chart in 2015, but on Friday having competition became having options.
Here’s what Fisher had to say Friday when asked about bringing in an outside QB.
“It’s not as much from the standpoint of challenging Sam,” Fisher said. “It’s to have options. We don’t know what that looks like right now. We don’t know if that’s draft, if that’s free agency, or what that looks like. But when we line up in September, we’ll have somebody there.”
Fisher’s altered stance may be partly to do with the fact that the free-agent market is lean, there don’t seem to be many concrete trade options developing, and the 2015 draft is neither deep nor strong at the position.
(Sunday’s Post-Dispatch will explore the free-agent and trade markets at quarterback.)
Continuity and stability on the offense were cited by Fisher as one of the main reasons he chose to promote from within at coordinator, selecting Cignetti in a close call over tight ends coach Rob Boras for the job. In the end, Boras was promoted to assistant head coach/offense while still maintaining his duties as tight ends coach.
“Same system for Sam, same system for the rest of his teammates,” Fisher said. “That was very, very important, and it was about how we get better. How we become more productive.”
All told, Bradford’s name came up a half-dozen times at the press conference, often without prompting by media members.
“We’re looking forward to Sam moving forward,” Cignetti said. “He’s doing a great job in his rehabilitation. When you go back to last year, he had an outstanding offseason. He had a great training camp. Unfortunately, in Cleveland he got injured. Moving forward, getting Sam back healthy again will greatly increase our chances of winning.”
The team remains optimistic that it can restructure Bradford’s contract for 2015 — the final year of his original deal — in a way that is more cap friendly.
When the Rams get on the field for spring practices, Bradford and the rest of the squad will find some changes in approach and playbook compared to how things were done for three seasons under Cignetti predecessor Brian Schottenheimer.
For one, the playbook will be simplified. There will be less volume than was the case under Schottenheimer, who left in January to become OC for the Georgia Bulldogs.
In discussing changes being made on offense, Fisher said: “We need to reduce the amount of information that we’re giving to the players, and go out and execute.”
So was there too much volume in the playbook previously?
“I think we agreed that there was at times,” Fisher replied. “I’m confident that our system will be such in April … that it will be simplified but appear to be much more complex.”
As a rookie in 2013, wide receiver Tavon Austin remarked that the playbook was like Spanish to him. By minimizing terminology in the playbook, Cignetti hopes for better results.
“The foundation of the playbook’s the same,” Cignetti said. “Coach Schottenheimer’s put a terrific system in place here, the same system I was part of when I was with the San Francisco 49ers (as QB coach in 2007).”
But Cignetti added: “Whether Coach Schottenheimer was still here or whether it was myself leading, every year you look at ways of doing things better. Something that we talked about was how could we minimize terminology? There’s certain things that we did in my past that we’ll be able to minimize terminology.”
Another change from Schottenheimer’s tenure is that Cignetti — as coordinator — won’t be as hands-on with the team’s quarterbacks.
“I’m not going to be as involved with the quarterback as much as Coach Schottenhiemer was involved,” Cignetti said. “That would probably be the biggest difference (in approach).”
Fisher added: “Frank’s going to allow the quarterback coach to spend more time with (the QBs) in the meetings and on the field, which will be a little different than how it has been in the past.”
Fisher confirmed that he interviewed Jeff Garcia for the quarterbacks coach job on Thursday and Friday. Fisher said he has at least one other candidate in mind for Cignetti’s old job, but didn’t give a definite timetable on when that position would be filled.
February 14, 2015 at 12:18 am in reply to: Fisher & Cignetti: transcript… 2/12…. + articles about the press conference #18451
znModeratorFisher says Rams’ offense needs tweaks, not overhaul
By R.B. FALLSTROM
http://www.thestate.com/2015/02/13/3987355/fisher-says-rams-offense-needs.html
ST. LOUIS — Jeff Fisher had several phone conversations with outside candidates for the St. Louis Rams’ opening at offensive coordinator. Only out of curiosity, he says.
Just one of those people was brought in for an interview. Staying in-house and promoting quarterbacks coach Frank Cignetti reflects Fisher’s desire for fine-tuning rather than a system overhaul.
“I love to lead,” Cignetti said Friday at his introductory news conference. “I don’t know why we can’t be great. We want to go from good to great.”
Among the tweaks, Cignetti will have less hands-on involvement with the quarterback than predecessor Brian Schottenheimer, and the playbook probably will be simplified. Continuity is a major factor.
“We are going to change, but change is good,” Fisher said. “This change is going to be very, very good for our offense.”
Fisher fully expects the starting quarterback to be Sam Bradford, the No. 1 pick of the 2010 draft who’s rehabbing from a second straight season-ending left knee injury — and entering the final year of his contract. Fisher said he discussed the Cignetti promotion extensively with Bradford, adding the move wouldn’t have been made if Bradford hadn’t approved,
The coach also backed off remarks from his season-ending news conference in which he said the Rams would seek to bring in a quarterback to compete for the job, and that Bradford would also have to rework his contract. In the final installment of a six-year, $78 million deal, Bradford is set to make a base salary of nearly $13 million, with a cap number of $16.58 million.
“It’s not as much from a standpoint of challenging, it’s to have options,” Fisher said. “We don’t know what that looks like right now, whether that’s draft or free agency.”
Fisher said Bradford has been rehabbing daily at Rams Park since the end of the season.
Shaun Hill and Austin Davis shared the starting job last year and it’s unclear whether the Rams want either player back.
Fisher interviewed Jeff Garcia for the vacant quarterbacks coach job the last two days and said the Rams would interview “several others.” Like the Cignetti hire, he appeared in no hurry to finalize that spot, though he added Cignetti had been on the job more than a week before the introductory news conference.
“We have some really solid options in place, but again we’re going to probably take a little bit of time before we make that decision,” Fisher said.
The Rams (6-10) struggled particularly in the third quarter and on third downs. They were outscored by 88 points in the second half, among the worst in the NFL.
“We need to do it better, we need to execute, we need to minimize mistakes,” Fisher said. “We need to reduce the amount of information that we’re giving to the players and go out and execute.”
Like Schottenheimer, Cignetti wants to get wide receiver/return man Tavon Austin more involved.
“I saw him this week, fired up to get working with him,” Cignetti said. “Tavon Austin’s a playmaker.”
February 13, 2015 at 8:53 pm in reply to: Ask Dolphins, Titans why splurging on free agents is a losing strategy #18448
znModeratorBig free-agent spending rarely yields more wins
By Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — In the three years since coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead took charge of the St. Louis Rams, their approach to free agency has changed each year.
In 2012, they spent big money on cornerback Cortland Finnegan, center Scott Wells and defensive tackle Kendall Langford in an effort to bolster a roster in desperate need of a makeover. In 2013, they were active again, landing offensive tackle Jake Long and tight end Jared Cook on big-money deals.
But last year, the Rams were notably quiet in free agency, the result of two years of drafting with an eye toward re-signing their own rather than swinging for the fences on big additions. They re-signed offensive lineman Rodger Saffold to a big contract after his deal with the Oakland Raiders fell through and then took a flier on a handful of one-year “prove it” contracts with guys like receiver Kenny Britt and defensive lineman Alex Carrington.
Heading into 2015, the Rams again don’t figure to be among the bigger spenders on the free-agent market, though adding a key piece or two could help propel them toward contention so long as they land the right players. That hasn’t been their forte, as evidenced by some of the names above from the previous three years.
Per ESPN Stats & Info, six of the 12 teams that have ranked in the top three in free-agent spending since 2011 did not improve their win total, including all three of last year’s top-three spending teams.
Finding the balance of adding a key piece and a few other ancillary pieces that can help has proved to be more of a winning formula. The New England Patriots offered a prime example of that in 2014 when they signed star cornerback Darrelle Revis and key role players like receiver Brandon LaFell and cornerback Brandon Browner at bargain prices. They ranked 16th in spending last year.
The Patriots also prioritized keeping their own, re-signing receiver Julian Edelman, among others. It’s a similar tactic to the approach the Seattle Seahawks took. Clearly, the Rams aren’t as strongly positioned as winning teams that can more easily attract free agents.
This time around, the Rams should be in better position to add a key piece or two that might be costly while re-signing some of their own and taking a shot on some cheaper options who can help. As always, it’s not about how much a team spends as much as how wisely it spends that actually yields results.
znModeratorRams’ 2015 schedule looks tough again (for now)
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/16202/rams-2015-schedule-looks-tough-again-for-now
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Determining the difficulty of an NFL schedule in February is something of a fool’s errand given the ever-changing nature of the league.
Many teams will rise and many will fall in 2015, but at least for now, the numbers shape up to give the St. Louis Rams one of the toughest slates in the league. Again.
Using the combined winning percentage of opponents from 2014, the Rams’ schedule looks to be the sixth toughest in the league heading into next season. The Rams’ 2015 opponents combined for a record of 141-114-1 in 2014, which calculates to a .553 winning percentage. That ranks behind the forthcoming schedules of Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, San Francisco, Seattle and Arizona.
Notice a trend there? Well, we already knew the Rams would face difficult tests in the NFC West again after the Seahawks and Cardinals went to the playoffs. And it just so happens that the AFC rotation of divisional opponents takes the Rams to a trip through the AFC North in 2015.
Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cincinnati all made the playoffs in 2014 with only Cleveland toiling in the basement.
Of course, though you never know how a season is going to turn out, it wouldn’t come as much of a surprise if the Rams played one of the hardest groups of teams in the league. It’s actually become something of a tradition.
Before last season, the Rams projected to have the fourth toughest schedule in the league. As it turned out, they played the third toughest. They have played a schedule ranking in the top four toughest in the league in each of the past three seasons. Such is life in the NFC West these days.
For a reminder, here’s a look at the Rams’ 2015 opponents:
Home opponents: Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Arizona, San Francisco, Seattle.
Away opponents: Green Bay, Minnesota, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Washington, Arizona, San Francisco, Seattle.
znModeratorBernie: Can Cignetti make a difference for Rams?
By Bernie Miklasz
The Rams have chosen their new offensive coordinator, staying within the organization to promote QBs coach Frank Cignetti. As part of the reworking of the coaching staff, tight ends coach Rob Boras was elevated to assistant head coach/offense.
Cignetti (passing game) and Boras (rushing game) should work well together in combining their expertise.
The Rams also need to hire a new QB coach; media reports have centered on former NFL quarterback Jeff Garcia.
I’m sincere when I say that I believe Cignetti is a smart coach. Given the Rams’ endless turmoil at the quarterback position over the past two seasons, Cignetti always had the next man up — prepared and ready to go.
Relative to expectations, Kellen Clemens, Austin Davis and Shaun Hill did pretty well when taking over for Sam Bradford, who has missed the last 25 regular-season games. Clemens, Davis and Hill aren’t quarterbacks that can elevate an offense on a consistent basis, but that isn’t Cignetti’s fault.
Cignetti has extensive experience, in college football, as an offensive coordinator. As for Boras, he’s respected inside the walls at Rams Park.
So I wish Cignetti (and Boras) the best of luck. But I also think it’s fair to wonder whether the new OC will make much of a difference.
We’ve trampled this ground a couple of times already this offseason, but it’s worth repeating: this is Jeff Fisher’s offense. Fisher has been a head coach for 19 full NFL seasons and there’s an abundance of history that reaffirms his core principles on offense. And Fisher’s teams have rarely deviated from those beliefs.
The Rams’ head coach wants a physical attack led by a strong running game. And while those are important attributes, I don’t know how the Rams plan to break through and score more points. The shortage of points from scrimmage continues to be the team’s No. 1 issue.
I don’t know how much freedom Cignetti will have to open things up. But in fairness to Fisher and the offensive staff, it’s not as if they have the pieces in place to let it fly and roll up big point totals on a regular basis.
The Rams offense is limited in three ways:
1. Limited by the overall offensive talent on hand.
2. Limited by the average (at best) QB performance.
3. Limited by the head coach’s Born to Run philosophy.
The talent matters. It’s not easy to take a coordinator’s job without knowing, with certainty, the identity of your starting quarterback for 2015. (Bradford?) The offensive line requires another retooling. The wide receivers are OK, but none cause opposing defensive coordinators to lose sleep.
So this will be a challenge for Cignetti, who becomes the seventh full-time offensive coordinator employed by Fisher during Fisher’s lengthy run as an NFL head coach.
The first six:
Jerry Rhome (1995-96)
Les Steckel (1997-99)
Mike Heimerdinger (2000-04)
Norm Chow (2005-07)
Heimerdinger Part II (2008-10)
Brian Schottenheimer (2012-14)
There have been only a few standout showings through all of those seasons.
Heimerdinger had the league’s No. 5 offense (points) in 2003, and Steckel’s offense was 7th in points in ’99. Rhome also cracked the top 10 in points scored, with the Oilers-Titans ranking 10th in 1996.
That’s it. Three top 10 scoring offenses in 19 seasons of Fisher Ball.
Fisher’s offenses have met or topped the league average for points on offense in only three of his last nine seasons as a HC. He hasn’t had an offense ranked better than 12th in points since ’03.
I’m curious to see what Cignetti can do.
And what he’ll be allowed to do.
Of course, much depends on the quality of the talent he’ll be coordinating.
This isn’t an easy job right now. Maybe that’s one of the reasons why it was offered to Cignetti. But that doesn’t mean this is a bad hire. That isn’t fair to Cignetti. He’s waited for this opportunity. He’s a promising coach. Let’s see what he makes of his chance.
February 13, 2015 at 7:23 pm in reply to: Cignetti/Fisher press conference vid and tweets and stuff #18444
znModeratorFisher and Cignetti Press Conference
Watch Jeff Fisher introduce Frank Cignetti as the St. Louis Rams new offensive coordinator.Couple of notes.
1. Cigz says he had the same system when he was in SF. That’s interesting because the coordinator in SF that year, Jim Hostler, was an internal hire who kept the same system from the years before. In the years before the coordinator was Norv Turner. This just strengthens the idea that we kinda already knew that Schottenheimer’s offense is basically a Coryell style system.
2. They kept talking about simplifying, putting less on the players, and so on. What that screamed to me is that their goal is to work on execution. (Schott is known for having a complex offense with lots of variations built in. Apparently they are stripping that down a bit.) I think this kind of thing will help guys like Tavon…and I mean help him far more than just the “do more creative things with him” routine. I personally think Tavon’s head has been spinning.
3. Cigz strikes me as a kind of Malavasi on offense. Malavasi was a great D coordinator. Cigz is a little too much the “not a thinking guy’s coordinator” but then, that was true of Malavasi too. It’s a matter of instincts and game smarts.
4. Music to my ears: it’s not system first, it’s build around your players. What can THEY do, now make THAT more effective. That is always my favorite kind of OC.
5. I think after hearing this that RB is a need. This is all “for now anyway I think this” kind of opinionizing. I don;t think they can count on Mason alone, and I don’t think Stacy will be that much of a factor moving forward. They need a 2nd stud to go with Mason. I would rank RB just behind qb and OL.
Didn’t Harbaugh simiplify the 49ers Offense
when he came in? Yes? No?He stripped out sight adjustments. But with Fisher and Cigz, I don’t think that what I heard was “we will simplify” as much as I heard “we’ve been too complicated” (if that makes any sense.) So I didn’t hear that they will step back from the modern age, I heard that they’ve got too much on players’s plates to execute it easily.
February 13, 2015 at 6:32 pm in reply to: Mock Draft Roundup: Third Edition Posted 14 hours ago Myles Simmons #18440
znModeratorAg I think I will keep the independent 101/Lande…or would you rather have it here? LMK
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